Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

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Yayyayyayyayyay.

Vote: Kise

Kazama for making it into the King of Chaos tournament.

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Moar Kise votes plz

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I repeat:

Moar Kise votes plz.

Don't make me daykill him myself.

...wait, what?

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...you... you bastard. You used my real name.

Dayvig: Kise

lolololololololol

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itt, wicked takes the RVS too seriously.

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Really? No more Kise votes? ;( Awww. You disappoint me. ALL OF YOU.

Unvote, Vote: MonkeyMan

I guess I'll have to settle for the one looking for anything he can twist into being scummy. I honestly don't see how it could be seen as overly defensive scum... he seemed to just be responding to the fact that swimmer called his post "silly" and said it showed a scum-connection. If someone tried to call

me

out on that, I'd have a similar response.

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That isn't scumhunting IMO, Monkey.

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Mod: votecount?

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Monkey took his early case far too serious. It was a weak case, which is fine for getting the game moving. But if he was just trying to get the game moving, he would have known that and not been so utterly convinced of it.

Thank you for recognizing this. I stated several times that my case was being exaggerated. It was never meant to be taken as a "me or him" situation. I was not "utterly convinced". I use my words with conviction and use my votes liberally, even in early game. Putting pressure on people gets reactions, and that was my ultimate goal.

Pads gave MM an easy out, and he took the bait. Please, MM, show me these "several times" when you said you were exaggerating your case just to put pressure on him.

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Unvote, vote: MonkeyMan

Scummiest read so far. His attack seems rather vague, and, he just stroke me as scum.

He stroked you as scum? Keep it G-rated, please.

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Thank you for recognizing this. I stated several times that

my case was being exaggerated

. It was never meant to be taken as a "me or him" situation. I was not "utterly convinced". I use my words with conviction and use my votes liberally, even in early game.

Putting pressure on people gets reactions

, and that was my ultimate goal.

Sorry - allow me to rephrase.

Show me where you said your case was being exaggerated (the overdefensive thing?) and also show me where you implied you were just trying to pressure for reactions.

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I think the whole "It was just for pressure!" excuse is too often used as a cop-out.

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Okay, okay, break it up, break it up!

Lemme give you both the breakdown of how this be:

Exalt is town

VPBA is town.

Both are idiots for duking it out so much when they could just let this pathetic little argument simmer down so we can get back to scum hunting instead of letting people fly under the radar (seriously it's hard to notice when there are page long posts)

So, why are you so sure both of them are town, Ray?

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Slicey, what is your opinion on the following players:

Exalt, MonkeyMan, Wicked.

And for a bonus round, Glork and swimmer4lyfe.

Please iso them and give your thoughts, I'm just

dying

to hear!

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So you'd want to lynch them just because they're annoying you? /facepalm

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No, because I don't want the negativity to kill the fun. Now answer my question.

What question?

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@Big Willy - Do you remember in Day & Night that whole Monkey Vs. BC situation? Both flipped town, and the case against Monkey was that he said BC was overreacting. Would you say we're seeing similar words/thought patterns from Monkey here? I need a 2nd opinion.

Yes, I do remember that. While I do think we're seeing similar thought patterns here, I don't think it means we should discredit Monkey's overeagerness to get a shady lynch going.

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Whaaaat.

What did Exalt do that was modkillable? Either way, that's a freebie. Gogogadgetmonkeymanlynch.

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vote monkeyman

He seems like pseudo-protown.

His playstyle is circular, overexaggerating, and basically not really helpful; just seeming helpful.

Sorry for inactivity, especially since its so different from my other mafia.
I keep forgetting to post here after I post there.

Huge Fucking Finger of Suspicion: SolemnJ

Did you really just parrot what other people have been saying about MM, then said he's not being helpful but is only APPEARING helpful? If anything, I'd say you (aka Lurky McLurkerson) are the one who is being most unhelpful. I'm tempted to switch my vote to you... but I still like the MM lynch more.

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@RayFrost:

Do you think swimmer and MM could BOTH be scum, or just one?

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So...they're bussing??

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Im drnku, whatevre I've said just let me read it in the mornning

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Wysp is still the scummiest player.

Glork: Did you say why you FOS's me? (In a later post you acted like everybony knew why but I can't find the actual reason.)

I'm guessing Wysp's scumminess is based solely on swimmer's previous actions. What do you think of his decision to replace out?

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Can we go ahead and lynch MM please?

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Unvote.

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Well, shit. I've been tunneling on MonkeyMan so much, I don't really know where else to look. A full-re-read is forthcoming sometime today.

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Vote: SolemnJ

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I chose to iso him again and it's just a bit repulsive that he's been allowed to lurk this much. One joke vote. Another semi-joke post. An "I'm catching up post". And then the awful awful vote on MM.

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Vote: SolemnJ

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I chose to iso him again and it's just a bit repulsive that he's been allowed to lurk this much. One joke vote. Another semi-joke post. An "I'm catching up post". And then the awful awful vote on MM.

1) Why did you choose to iso Solemn?

2) Who else (if anyone) did you choose to iso?
--2b) Why did you choose to iso these other players?
--2c) What results did your other iso(s) produce?

3) What else did you go back and read?

1) I iso'd Solemn because I remembered I had given him a huge FoS, and hadn't remembered him contributing much. Then I realized... it's because he's contributed nothing.

2) Nobody else yet. I've been in and out all day (Thanksgiving Break apparently means professors assign ridiculous amounts of projects due in two days), so I just iso'd Solemn and made that post.

3) See 2.

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Plus, it makes you obv scum for claiming early - nervous scum

just in case my vote isn't on monkeyman...

unvote, vote: monkeyman

Really? So, of all the places to put your vote on D1, you go with the only claimed town power role?

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If I didn't know that Kise's VLA claim was in fact legit, I'd be very suspicious.

In any case, I don't think lynching the un-CC'd tracker is the right move. Maybe he's lying, but I'm sure the unrevealed tracker and watcher can confirm or deny that tonight. We already got a free gift with Exalt being modkilled, so I think it's a smart move to NOT lynch the claimed tracker today. Despite how scummy he's been.

Vote: Cyberbob

For obvious reasons. This vote may seem scummy, but I *did* iso him earlier, but I'm at a friends house drinking right now, so I can't get on to post my notes. Coming tomorrow.

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Well, this will be certainly interesting. I still think we should lynch Cyberbob, and I'm not quite seeing the logic behind NOT lynching him.

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I'll have to get around to it later; I have a friend arriving here in the next ten minutes, and we're getting thoroughly smashed.

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Hmm. Alrighty then. Let me get a few beers in me and see how I feel. I don't want to be rude to my guest.

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Aaaand I just iso'd Vaya. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Unvote, Vote: Vaya

Really? A post from over a week ago stating you'll get caught up in the next few days, then a reasonless vote on Cyberbob, then a post calling for more Cyber votes?

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Snow Bunny iso:

First, she random votes MM, then unvotes and votes him again? Seems like someone isn't paying attention and is just throwing down votes where she sees fit.

She echoes her thoughts, saying that the swimmer wagon is scummier than swimmer, and specifically points out MM, Ray, and RBT. After MM has the tracker claim, she unvotes and says she has some suspicions on RBT, Tar, and Cyber, but nothing solid.

Really? So you just conveniently go from tunneling on MM to thinking the most convenient lynch candidate at the moment is another option for you?

And, how convenient. Point to Merka's 444 as a reason to vote Cyber. Reaaally convenient.

Suspiciously

convenient.

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RBT iso:

His RVS vote on Empking is apparently semi-serious, based solely off of the fact that he's usually on opposing sides as Empking. I personally think this is a bullshit reason to policy lynch someone. Having problems with their playstyle, sure. See: zwet. But not because random odds have shown you two to be on opposite sides.

Says MM/swim are scum together, because swimmer is defending MM and going after Ray with little reasoning for both. Calls it newbscum (horrid reasoning).

Says here that MM's vote for swimmer is reasonless. Hurm. Kinda like RBT's original vote on MM? Yeah.

Echoes my post and contorts it to say that Pads is the third person on the scum team. RBT votes Cyber a few moments later, but doesn't even MENTION Cyber in her vote post, and instead tries to keep suspicion on MM.

Then, when Ray calls her out on it, she says if Cyber flips scum, Ray is his scumbuddy.

Still, after all of this, I get SLIGHTLY townier vibes from RBT than I do from Snow Bunny or Vaya. Vaya has been lurking too much to get a full read on, though it does seem opportunistic.

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Out of the three:

Unvote, Vote: Snow Bunny

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@Socrates:

I think Cyberbob has been scummy, but those three cannot be ignored.

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Wicked: Why don't you like Reckoning's suspicions?

The reasoning behind his suspicions isn't very convincing. Also, are reads on those three players seem to be complete opposites. I think Snow_Bunny is town, he thinks she is scum, I think Riceballtail is scum, yet he thinks she is town. I can't get a read on Vaya, yet xRx seemed pretty sure that she was scum. It bothers me that we have such different ideas.

RBT has been more helpful (or at least attempted to more helpful) than SB in my opinion. Oh, look at how SB doesn't pay me any attention, then as soon as I vote her she goes digging for stuff to vote me. OMGUS-like behavior. Also, I believe I implied that Vaya was scummy, but hadn't posted enough to get a real read on, WHICH IS WHY I CHOSE TO VOTE FOR SB.

Yes, I said I'd have to look up my notes on Cyber, but they're not here anymore thanks to my Mac's "awesome battery life" not lasting the timespan it took me to run and grab food the morning after I got back from my friend's house. I

could

go back and re-write my thoughts, but to me, that sounds like a waste of my time based on my current feelings towards Vaya/SB.

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Mod, when is deadline?

I'd like to drum up more discussion from people like Vaya, Snow Bunny, RBT, et al. but if deadline comes down to it, I have NO PROBLEM lynching Cyberbob.

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Ah, don't know how I missed it. Thanks.

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1: RBT has been more helpful (or at least attempted to more helpful) than SB in my opinion. 2: Oh, look at how SB doesn't pay me any attention, then as soon as I vote her she goes digging for stuff to vote me. OMGUS-like behavior. 3: Also, I believe I implied that Vaya was scummy, but hadn't posted enough to get a real read on, WHICH IS WHY I CHOSE TO VOTE FOR SB.

1: So? Why does that indicate that she is town? Also, what exactly gave you a townier vibe from RBT?

2: The points she brought up against you were things that occurred after her previous post.

3: Where did you say that? Here you said;

Aaaand I just iso'd Vaya. Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Unvote, Vote: Vaya

Really? A post from over a week ago stating you'll get caught up in the next few days, then a reasonless vote on Cyberbob, then a post calling for more Cyber votes?

and that post seemed like you actually thought she was scum.

1: Are you really asking my why helpfulness = pro-town? What kind of question is that?

2: Were they, now?

3: Are you completely ignoring my following post?

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Wicked, she didn't attack me and say she wanted a lynch on me until I attacked her. That's my point. Why are you arguing against that?

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If we lynch someone other than Swimmer, MonkeyMan, or Cyberbob, we're not maximizing our gain from the day's discussion. MonkeyMan is off limits for now, and I still think Swimmer was newbTown.

Solid reasoning.

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Vote: Cyberbob

L-1 warning. DO NOT HAMMER BEFORE SENSFAN CATCHES UP.

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I actually believe the VT claim. Ugggh. Or do I? It seems earnest and I feel like scum trapped in a corner would come out with a power role claim instead of a VT claim. *mind explodes from the WIFOM*

Unvote, Vote: Snow Bunny

If we can't get another decent wagon going before deadline, I'll hop back on Cyber.

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So, I'm his scumbuddy because I just don't feel good about the lynch? Can you fuckers stop trying to bully me into voting for someone I just don't see the logic behind lynching?

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Seriously, WTF at the non-voters?

Oh, and:

Insulting anyone who thinks you're scum is not pro-town play. Supporting the lynch here.

Ell Oh Ell. This has to be one of the worst confirm-vote-reasonings I've ever seen.

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A loss of a town member is a loss of a town member. While a VT might be less valuable than, say, a doctor or cop, I'd still prefer lynching scum over lynching VT.

That's my biggest hangup with the Cyberbob lynch atm - it's not usual for scum to claim VT. If they're going down, they're going to try and draw out a counterclaim for a power role.

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Yeah, seeing as how deadline is in 3 days.

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THE QUOTE PYRAMIDS. THEY MUST END.

Also, I'm really liking a muh lynch if it comes down to it. Lack of content + quickness to throw suspicion on the person with the majority at the moment = scuuuuuumtastic!

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hear dat gaiz? merk seyz im uh jewpitur mafeeuh so eet muz b tru

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Honestly (and I've said this from the start): I still like a Cyberbob lynch for a D1 lynch (information-wise, at least) but I absolutely think other players have been scummier, and would prefer a different (see: Snow_Bunny) lynch.

Though, SB is apparently not around, because I prodded her for another game like five days ago and she hasn't picked it up yet. *sigh* I have no idea what to do at this point.

Mod: Can we get a prod on SnowBunny/replacement?

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ITT, Snow Bunny repeats what others have said in the last part of her post, which makes up the majority of text in it.

At the risk of being a hypocrite...

QFT

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Oh, and hey guys...

If somebody fakeclaims a power role on day one, should the real one CC immediately or wait in a game like this?

I've been in situations before where it's come up, and it popped into my mind that I couldn't figure out when to CC.

He should definitely wait. I just used that scum-claiming-power-role tactic in two off-site games in order to draw out the power role, and I can honestly say it's better to wait until later on. Though, I also don't think it's the right play to LYNCH the claimed power role.

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Seriously, what? Did Merk just say that Cyber claimed a PR?

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Ahh. Gotcha.

Honestly, I'd prefer any number of lynches over the Cyber lynch, but I see two positives to the Cyber lynch:

1) It's a sure-fire lynch before deadline tomorrow, unless another bandwagon picks up serious steam.

2) We'll probably gain quite a bit of information once he flips.

There are still other lynches I prefer, but Cyber isn't a bad D1 lynch.

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So, deadline is tomorrow and we don't have a lynch yet? Nice...

@People who haven't voted: What are you exactly waiting for?

I even remember the opportunistic comment of RECK saying that he would jump back to Cyber if he couldn't get a mislynch with me.

I like how your objective observations are littered with passive aggressive opinions. And you've got all the subtlety of an elephant, too.

Seeing as how nobody seems to be jumping on the AWESOME Snow_Bunny wagon, I'm going to put Cyber at L-1.

Vote: Cyber

Lynch a VT > No lynch.

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Vote: Cyber

Lynch a VT > No lynch.

So you know/believe he's VT then?

Yes, I believe he's a VT, but like I said... any lynch is better than no lynch.

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Well... I was wrong about Snow_Bunny =\

Yeah, I'd like a report from MM.

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Wait... MM had a tracker claim? Fuck, I thought he claimed cop. I guess that was the other game I'm in with him.

Vote: Monkeyman

I really don't see many options here other than him lying. ESPECIALLY since SensFan just flipped tracker.

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I just don't buy his middle of nowhere claim + how scummy he was on D1 + a dead tracker overnight + happens to track one of the two people who died? Please.

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And it's also guessable that we have a mafia and either a serial killer or a cult, judging by the theme behind the kills.

Why couldn't there be two scumteams?

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Gonna guess that RayFrost is not actually town tracker, but MonkeyMan is still scum. Probably a good move by RF: MM was gonna get lynched anyway, so CC the already dead-in-the-water scum to get pseudo-cleared. Nice trick... if I'm right. But again, I'm not sure I am.

So I'm gonna go with a MM lynch peeps. We'll see how useful RF turns out to be.

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5 down, 16 left. Hmm.

No scum.

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Whoa, how'd I forget about MonkeyMan? Okay, one scum down.

Well, we either have a SK or a second scum-team. I thought it may be a vig, but the town vig just died. I don't know where to go from here - I feel like we rushed through D2, and D1 we didn't gain much knowledge. Vaya still catches my eye, but that's about it right now. I need to do a re-read/iso check.

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Wicked, if you had actually paid attention to the fact that Glork's kill flavor has not shown up either night, then perhaps you are trying to downplay the likelihood of your scumfaction showing up and being hunted?

I also expect a report from Ray.

This is a wonderful observance. I didn't even think about the PM's stated kill flavor, I was just looking at the kill flavor from the past two nights, and neither "brutally murdered" nor "shot in the head" seem vig-ish.

Maybe

shot in the head, but after looking at the PM, I see no "sliced open". Good catch.

RBT, do you think there are multi-scum factions or SK?

Wicked, what do you mean "temporarily replaced"? By whom? What scumfaction are you a part of?

Kise, where the fuck are you? How was Annachie trying to leave him some hope?

Annachie, did you suspect any of the dead people of being scum before their cardflip (other than MM)?

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Whoa! I missed you guys let day 2 go on without most of the players. And great job on the kill yesterday. But how many mafia members could there be. We already have two down. Could there be three member in the Jupiter mafia.

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Vote: muh316

. Lemme holla at ya playa.

PBPA ON MUH

0: Promises to catch up on the reading. "If anything interesting just pull it up so I can know." WTF?

1: Asks RayFrost about a previous newbie game which apparently caused RF to want to vig muh. NO CONTENT.

2: Asks about the deadline. NO CONTENT.

3: Another "i'm catching up post" mixed in with "I don't post much". The irony here is he says "I might post a paragraph usually less but i post something of content", yet he has not posted ANY content so far. NO CONTENT.

4: Another "lol im catching up" post. NO CONTENT.

5: Irrelevant question about VPB/Amish being the same person here. NO CONTENT.

6: More "I'm skimming and catching up". When asked for his thoughts, we get "MonkeyMan seems suspicious. I'm gonna check up on what happened with cyberbob". Does not correlate. NO CONTENT.

7: Says not posting content is NOT a scumtell. Also says he thinks Merk vs Exalt was a bus. Then, "I'm gonna keep reading". Asks why swimmer was replaced. Giving speculative thoughts with no support =/= content. NO CONTENT.

8: Unvotes and says he won't vote this day. NO CONTENT.

9: Muh says MonkeyMan FOS'd him as an OMGUS (essentially). Funny, since he barely mentioned MM being suspicious except for a minor blurb in one tiny post. NO CONTENT.

10: Newbscum post I quoted at the top of this. NO CONTENT.

Anybody notice a running trend throughout this PBPA?

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He's not posting content. Did he post

any

content in the game you played with him? Do you have a link to it?

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Well, just an iso of the first ten posts or so show that he was doing some ACTIVE semi-scumhunting there instead of just posting pure speculation. It's enough to justify a muh lynch IMO.

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Does anybody else see the problem with this post?

No?

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No - in my opinion, the N0 killer (who we're hunting) hasn't night-killed yet. I don't think a careful mod like Seraph would put that in there by mistake.

So, potentially, we're looking at two scumteams, and a SK who hasn't killed yet? Otherwise, I don't know what to make of the N0 kill flavor.

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xREC. Could you extend this to Swimmer as well? Since you did Muh, I'd like the consistancy of you doing Swimmer.

Yeah, I guess. I'll do it when I get back from my stupid fucking exam.

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Holy shit, Empking is in this game?

Let's policy lynch. -_-

@Empking: WHY is Raivenn the scummiest of the bunch? Examples, please.

I just kicked my Sociology exam's ass, so I'll get right on that swimmer pbpa.

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@Pads: Look at the game RF posted a link to. Muh's play in that game is diametrically opposed to his playstyle here (as in, he did actual scumhunting in that game).

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Let's please just lynch muh already, k?

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While I understand why people want to lynch Muh, I don't see the reasoning for lynching him now, when there are more likely scum to lynch. He may be contentless, but he's doing far better than other people, such as Empking. It feels like right now people are trying to push an easy wagon. I'd rather see a lynch on Anna or Rec right now.

Did I miss the part where you posted your suspicions/case against me, or are you just pulling that out of your ass like I suspect?

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I'd be okay with an Anna lynch.

@Socrates: what about Anna's 943 specifically is incredi-bad?

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I'd be okay with an Anna lynch.

@Socrates: what about Anna's 943 specifically is incredi-bad?

It was pure unadulterated OMGUS with no attempt to defend himself other than to attempt to discredit his attacker.

Hmm. Good point, in iso, I didn't notice he was going after his attacker. I don't like RBT's weak-ass case on me being reason for lynch, and I still hate muh's play, but with your explanation, I'd be willing to vote Anna just as much as Muh.

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...what?

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ITT, RBT seems to think me/Kise/Pads/Dev/Tar/Merk are scumbuddies. That being said, I don't like how RBT is just freely throwing around suspicion at different people without any "because dadadadadada" behind the accusations. Definitely shoots her up on my scum-list.

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Not that I'm either agreeing or disagreeing, but why do you think two mafia is not likely the case?

And, I didn't really misrep you, you just kept throwing out names WITH NO BASIS FOR SUSPECTING THEM. Please, tell me I'm wrong about that.

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I really want a muh lynch, still. But I think I'd be okay with an Anna lynch if we need to get one before deadline. There are others who are FAR too inactive, but no way to get a bandwagon going on them IMO.

I get the feeling RBT's not really playing the game, but that's pretty much a null tell.

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I prefer muh > Raivann > RBT. RBT's recent attacks on me have been lol-worthy, and Raivann's iso is awful... but we need to do something about muh.

Mod: please prod muh, and if he doesn't respond, replace him?

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I don't get why we're going to let him continue to float by like this.

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so youd rather lynch me an obvious townie rather than an educated lynch. If you want me out its your choice but empking is much worse

WHAT? HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU AN OBVIOUS TOWNIE
WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING HERE

Of course, but scum would rather push the lurker-Empking lynch for a later day.

Literally, wut?

Mod, replace Empking please.

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ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY TOWN BECAUSE YOU LURK!?!?!?!

FUCKING. SERIOUSLY

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Hmm. One kill? Innnnteresting. By the way, that puts us at two town trackers with RF's flip, just as a bit of odd setup information.

Alright, give me a little while to look over the past few pages and recollect my thoughts. I've gotten lost since this game went into night phase.

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PS, I still want to lynch Muh.

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Really? That's all you can fucking say?

You deserve to die.

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I like the above vote. I will reciprocate.

Vote: muh

Look, muh! See how I'm all alone in suspecting you-- oh, wait.

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What the hell, Merk? I posted a case like two days ago (PBPA) and have been calling for a lynch ever since. The case boils down to the fact that he has gotten by doing NOTHING the entire game - not once has he posted a case, suspicions, questions, nothing. He's been completely unhelpful, hasn't posted content once (seriously, look at my PBPA and his posts since then - no content), and literally

just

pulled the whole "Hey, look, nobody agrees with you!" card in an attempt to make it look like it's me versus town.

I didn't vote yet because, to be completely honest, I forgot this was a Large game. I was thinking "D4.. need to be careful with my vote". I guess all my minis/large games are blending together.

I can understand why that came across scummy, though.

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Everything muh's doing is classic newbscum.

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Empking is just straight up lurking and the

MOD NEEDS TO REPLACE EMPKING

at this point.

In any case, you're actively lurking, refusing to scumhunt, and refusing to admit how worthless you're being.

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After iso'ing Empking's six posts LOL (the last of which was over two weeks ago, wtf mod?), I can honestly say that they are scummy as hell, but I'm not sure if he's worthy of a lynch before muh. It's a crapshoot. Reasons for voting?

I had a reason but I've forgotten it.

Wysp is still the scummiest player.

Scummiest of the bunch.


That's literally all the info/"content" we get from him. Doesn't excuse muh's play, though. I think Empking needs a replacement, and muh needs a lynching.

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I think the Empking's replacement catch up post will be quite telling. I'm on v/la till Monday just a heads up.

[xRECKONERx]

Nothing we have said is wifom

[xRECKONERx]

Too many inctive players. I like muh for unrevealed faction (why call it Jupiter Mafia unless there's another faction?). I can't believe I had forgotten about Vaya, that is scummy as hell. I can't do extensive analysis now since I'm on my phone, but after the above post I'm certainly not opposed to a Vaya lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Nothing we have said is wifom

the lurking, how about that. Thats based on pure WIFOM

Are you like ten years old? Or foreign? Or do you just not understand how to make a coherent post?

[xRECKONERx]

I don't follow - why does the lack of a second kill indicate scum group or SK?

[xRECKONERx]

-.-

[xRECKONERx]

Percy, you top suspect is Muh, and your next top suspect is Raivann, who has done nothing but push the Muh wagon? Huh.

Also, I feel that it is necessary to share that only one of the NK's went down on Rayfrost. We didn't have a double up on the NK's, because if we did then there would be two kill flavors listed next to his name. So either the second killer(s) forgot to send in a kill or it got prevented.

Excellent point. Not asking for a doc or blocker claim, but SOMEONE out there knows a confirmed scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Holy shit, the above kill analysis blew my mind. I can't wait to get home and not be typing on my phone, but

unvote

for now. After reading the above posts, I find it highly unlikely there are two scum factions. Furthermore, whenever I get to a computer, I think we should look for people who heavily pushed for two factions: good for scum because they can divert attention away from their numbers,good for SK because it denies his or her existence entirely. On the off chance it is a vigilante though, can you please kill muh just for my peace of mind? "/

[xRECKONERx]

There's still a very small chance there were two vigs. I'm not saying we can't rule it out, even if I'm not actually counting on it.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't know. Like I said, I've been posting from my phone the past few days. I'll look more in depth when I get home

[xRECKONERx]

The most viable theory to me regarding the brutal kills is a SK trying to appear town with his or her kills.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: wicked

No way did he just repeat the same arguments regarding the kills and factions then say "I'm not done catching up." He's blatantly trying to appear townie by stealing other ideas then added on the whole "oh. I'm catching up" bit to make it sound like an innocent coincidence.

[xRECKONERx]

I'd be down with a massclaim. PS, I'm home now.

[xRECKONERx]

Raivann go.

[xRECKONERx]

Though I really wish Rai had gotten a later spot.

[xRECKONERx]

Though I really wish Rai had gotten a later spot.

Is there a non-role-related reason for this?

Wait, I don't know why I said that. I honestly have no clue. I've been drunk for about 48 hours straight celebrating my 21st birthday, so there's no telling what would have been going through my mind.

Expecting a VT claim from Rai, but we'll see what happens.

[xRECKONERx]

Whoa, that wasn't coaching. I'm just saying - Rai is likely scum, and scum would claim VT on the last day.

[xRECKONERx]

PS - Slicey's next.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Raivann

I'll explain why his claim is bullshit after the massclaim is over.

[xRECKONERx]

What are we to do if Slicey is gone?

Mod: can you prod/replace Slicey, please?

[ Working on it. -Mod ]

@Merk: it's not just the fact that it's a vanilla claim. But I'll explain further when the massclaim is done.

[xRECKONERx]

Hey, we have six days to deadline, so we just need to skip Slicey for now, the massclaim needs to hurry the fuck up.

[xRECKONERx]

Kay.

I'm a

Bulletproof Townie

, and to my knowledge, I have not been shot yet. The Role PM doesn't state whether or not I'll be notified if I'm shot.

[xRECKONERx]

Uhh... you guys have no basis to not believe my claim. The Godfather is already dead - there wouldn't be two un-NK-able mafiosos. I'm BP townie - if you don't believe me, have muh use his investigation on me.

[xRECKONERx]

Guess you guys are wrong about Reckoner hes an innocent based on my investigation

So, just to be clear: you are claiming that you used your one-shot investigative ability on me, correct?

What are your other abilities?

[xRECKONERx]

Ninja'd.

[xRECKONERx]

The five options:

1) They are both telling the truth.

This one is pretty obvious. As much as I disliked muh the entire game, I don't think he'd stick his neck out to stop a mislynch on me if he were scum.

2) Reckoner is investigation immune SK who claimed BP to direct the scum NK away from him.

While this is definitely possible, why wouldn't I just claim vanilla if I wanted to fly under the radar as the SK? Not trying to get into WIFOM here - but just thinking about things from the perspective of if I was SK.

3) Muh is scum with some plan that makes no sense to get town points off of Reckoner?

Not likely.

4) Muh and xRECKONERx are scum partners and Muh is bailing out his buddy

You really think scum partners would be bussing that hardcore? I pretty blatantly wanted muh dead for awhile.

5) xRECKONERx is investigation-immune SK with a single NK immunity.

I'm not good with balance issues/outguess the mod type stuff, but wouldn't this be an incredibly overpowered SK?

[xRECKONERx]

@Pads: while your scenario seems plausible, there's nothing I can do to defend against it. Your case is pure speculation, so there's not much I can respond to.

[xRECKONERx]

Wicked, please comment on muh's investigation results.

Muh, PLEASE LIST OUT YOUR ONE-SHOT ABILITIES ALREADY.

[xRECKONERx]

So:

N1, no action.
N2, protect rayfrost
N3, investigate reckoner

What are your remaining abilities?

[xRECKONERx]

Yes - muh, please clarify what kind of result you get from your investigation. Is it "mafia" or "not mafia"? "Guilty" vs "innocent"?

[xRECKONERx]

PS, Raivann's claim is still b/s, and he's scum.

Tar, do you plan on revealing the redacted target after the massclaim?

[xRECKONERx]

Raiann - "VT"
Merkabah - Town Villager
xRECKONERx - Bulletproof Townie
muh316 - JOAT
Pads - "Vanilla"
Vaya - Town Villager
zoraster - Town Villager
Riceballtail - Town Villager
Socrates - Town Villager
Trumpet of Doom - Town Villager

Wicked/Kise/Tar are the only remaining claims.

[xRECKONERx]

EBWOP: except Slicey, who is being replaced?

[xRECKONERx]

Okay - I didn't know if you were going to wait until tomorrow or something since telling us the name would essentially confirm a townie/set up the scum kill for the night.

[xRECKONERx]

Slicey and Tar are the only ones left.

Tar, I'd go ahead, since we're still waiting on a Slicey replacement.

[xRECKONERx]

K, well... my vote stays on Raivann. He was the first to claim and couldn't even get the NAME right. He just claimed straight up VT, whereas I'm pretty sure someone who HAD the role would know "Hey, I'm a Villager" not just "VT". Scumtopic probably reads: "Dude, just claim VT since you're first, it's a safe claim" "K, I'm VT guys" "Oh shit that's not what it's called".

You can debate my BP-ness all you want... all I'm saying is that 1) muh has cleared me as "innocent" (however you wanna take that), 2) there is actually a small number of town power roles, and the presence of multiple killing factions + 2 town vigs would warrant the use of a BP setup wise, and 3) I'm 98% sure we've only got the one faction + SK, otherwise I just feel like we would have hit the second faction by now. I'm not discounting it, I'm just saying it seems more likely there is a SK with three other mafiosos remaining.

[xRECKONERx]

It's not the fact that everyone did it - it's the fact that he was the first.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: raivann

I don't see how he's not scum tbqh

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: raivann

I don't see how he's not scum tbqh

[xRECKONERx]

BTW, no PM about me getting targeted last night.. so I'm gonna assume Tar's hypothesis about multiscum is wrong, and there is only SK + scum faction.

[xRECKONERx]

* - that new kill method is a concern (multiscum is back into play), but I can't rule out that it's from Jupiter Mafia sending a new player to kill.

Why would Jupiter Mafia switch who they send? Was someone under suspicion or something? Two trackers are dead... why would they be worried?

[xRECKONERx]

Mod: Still searching for a Slicey replacement?

Also, I compiled this list for reference purposes.

Vanilla Claims (Alive)

:
Raivann - "VT"
Merkabah - Town Villager
Pads - "Vanilla"
Vaya - Town Villager
zoraster - Town Villager
Riceballtail - Town Villager
Socrates - Town Villager
Trumpet of Doom - Town Villager
Wickedestjr - Town Villager
Kise - Town Villager

Dead Vanillas

:
Cyberbob
Snow_Bunny
Annachie
Vaya
Kise

Power Role Claims (Alive)

:
xRECKONERx - Bulletproof Townie
Tarhalindur - Prison Guard

Dead Power Roles

:
muh316 - JOAT
SensFan - Tracker
Glork - Vigilante
RayFrost - Tracker

WAAAAAY too many claimed vanillas.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. Wicked raises a good point - is it even likely that the Jupiter Mafia would switch who did the kills this early?

Either the second scumgroup has waited until now to do the killing and Jupiter Mafia got blocked/didn't kill last night, or something. I'm very confused.

[xRECKONERx]

Multiscum is BAD BAD BAD news.

I like Tar's above alignments: RBT & Merk for unrevealed, Raivann for Jupiter. I'm going to assume we've got a 4:3:1:16 setup. If the (4) is the unrevealed, we're in biiiiig shit. Assuming that the above three people are accurate... and, tentatively believing me and Tar on the power claims... that would mean the other two assorted mafia AND the SK are in the following list of six people: Pads, zoraster, Socrates, Trumpet of Doom, Wicked, and Kise.

However, RBT is the lynch for today.

Vote: RBT

. We NEED to hit unrevealed, and it'd be nice of the SK to hook us up with a mafia kill overnight as well.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't think I got hit. There'd be some kind of notification if I got hit.

4:4:1 seems to be too unbalanced. Maybe, I dunno, I was just guessing. We can't really know the setup until we get another flip or two from the unrevealed faction. Aka you, RBT.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, Tar is DEFINITELY Prison Guard - nobody else claimed to be Dev's partner. But nice try.

[xRECKONERx]

Hm. I actually didn't notice that. You're right.

Unvote

.

I need to think this over:
11 people alive.
2 dead scum.
4-6 are left.
Plus SK.

It seems possible that scum outnumbers town at this point, and we are only still playing because we haven't hit their target number for the wincon.

[xRECKONERx]

With three scum factions, there would be three night kills

.

[xRECKONERx]

Wait - let me spitball for a moment.

There are three possible reasons for the Jupiter kill to be blocked last night:

1) Jupiter just didn't NK, which would make very little sense strategy-wise.

2) Jupiter fired at me, which I don't think is true because I didn't get a PM stating I was no longer bulletproof.

3) Jupiter fired at Tar, who used his PG ability on himself and stopped the kill.

This means if Tar is Scum Prison Guard, he is of the unrevealed faction

.

I feel as though Tar has been directing a lot of the town play at this point, and it makes me nervous: his alignment isn't confirmed, as RBT pointed out, and if he got targeted last night and THAT was the reason for no Jupiter NK... then that means he is unrevealed, and has probably steered the town away from lynching his faction and towards lynching Jupiter.

[xRECKONERx]

@Merk: No, it does not say if I will be notified or not.

That being said, I'm leaning towards Merk as scum. I dunno.

[xRECKONERx]

My question is... what was the unrevealed scum faction doing all those other nights? Not killing on purpose, or were they blocked every night? Tar's a damn good/lucky prison guard if he blocked that many kills. Which leads me to believe the unrevealed faction was no killing to fuck with town, and last night was the "opportune" time to start killing... which makes me nervous about NOT lynching unrevealed today.

Also, isn't it standard protocol for a BP to be notified if he's hit and loses his BP ability? That's what leads me to believe I wasn't hit last night.

[xRECKONERx]

If Pads is scum, he's unrevealed trying to get us to deny the existence of his faction. Thus, I suggest lynching RBT. If RBT flips unrevealed, it incriminated Pads for pushing an alternative lynch AND rejecting the idea of multiscum.

Vote: RBT

[xRECKONERx]

Perhaps you could have waited until, you know, we had had some discussion today....just a thought for next time.

Socrates unvoted RBT, so I think we're at L-1 still.

This. I was just trying to make sure everyone knew I was serious about voting RBT. Which, btw...

RBT IS AT L-1. PLEASE NOBODY HAMMER UNLESS DISCUSSION IS OVER.

@Tar: While your last paragraph definitely crossed my mind, what do you think of my suggestion regarding the RBT-Pads connection?

[xRECKONERx]

Or maybe if we're lucky, Pads gets SK'd tonight.

[xRECKONERx]

ATTN TOD

Why m i sk? IF you think im sk, then im inv-immune... and you thnik im bp too? or what?

im just trying to fgure out why youre still pushing this when i have been confirmed inv-innocent.

[xRECKONERx]

I mean dont xcept me if u dont blive it

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote

. Honets appeal to emotion imo

[xRECKONERx]

Okay, moral of the story from my posts last night - don't get wasted then MafiaScum. Sorry for the incoherent posts.

Despite being drunk, though, I'm not sure how I feel about a RBT lynch today. I was totally serious about one yesterday, but after post 1264... I just don't know. The wagon formed way too quick for me to think RBT is unrevealed, and his AtE actually seemed earnest (maybe I'm just a sucker, but I don't see AtE as a 100% scumtell).

Vote: Raivann

, I think he's a much better lynch given how strongly I felt about Raiv-scum yesterday.

I'm going to iso-read each player and give my thoughts at some point today.

[xRECKONERx]

Does post 1267 read like the last Jupiter mafia trying to offer a "deal" to the unrevealed faction & SK?

[xRECKONERx]

Wouldn't that be...exactly what I was doing

[xRECKONERx]

Everybody hates cults.

Seraphim setups are fun and never awful.

Therefore, there cannot be a cult in this setup.

AND, cults aren't normal.

[xRECKONERx]

danakillsu, first off, before you even bother rereading, go ahead and claim. The massclaim has already happened.

[xRECKONERx]

That's your only thought on the

entire

thread, dana?

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: RBT

. ToD's logic is solid.

[xRECKONERx]

Mod, vote count please.

[xRECKONERx]

How the fuck are we not auto-lossed yet. Seems like unrevealed faction should be equal in numbers by now...

Can someone clarify the SK/mafia win con in most normal games? If one faction is equal in number to the uniformed majority (aka town), do they have to eliminate the SK/other mafia factions first, or do they win so long as they match town numbers?

[xRECKONERx]

I'd also like to see a SK claim. Chances of it happening... not likely... but who knows.

Also, if there are two scum factions left, why the hell were there only two kills AGAIN last night?

24. Random NPC, Neutral Bystander, Ripped Apart Day 0

0. Seraphim, Neutral Train Operator, Shot Day 0

4. SensFan Mufasa , Town Tracker, Shot Night 1

7. Snow_Bunny, Town Villager, Brutally Murdered Night 1

14. Glork, Town Vigilante, Shot Night 2

3. Devestation, Town Prison Guard, Brutally Murdered Night 2

16. RayFrost, Town Tracker, Brutally Murdered Night 3

2. Vaya, Town Villager, Brutally Murdered Night 4

13. Kise, Town Villager, Died of Blood Loss Night 4

18. Merkabah, Town Villager, Brutally Murdered Night 5

15. Trumpet of Doom Empking, Town Villager, Died of Blood Loss Night 5

I don't get it. The only consistent kills are the orange ones, which I'm gonna assume is SK. My brain hurts.

[xRECKONERx]

Wow, only eight people left? What the fuck?

Tar, did you self-protect again last night?

Assuming three scum is the largest faction left in either situation, we HAVE to lynch scum today, or there HAS to be a cross-kill.

ALIVE LIST:

Tarhalindur
zoraster
xRECKONERx
Socrates
Wickedestjr
Pads
danakillsu
Raivann

If we're looking at two scum-teams, that means we likely have 1 Jupiter and 3 unrevealed left plus the SK. That would imply 3 townies are alive. This also means, though, that in this scenario, the unrevealed faction can control the lynch just as much as the town can - so the SK and the one Jupiter will have to go with town if they want a shot at winning.

If we're looking at the one scum-team, that would imply 3 Jupiter left, the SK, and 4 townies. We need to lynch scum today, and we pretty much have over a 50% chance of doing so. Raivann needs to get lynched, Wicked would be a good lynch, and so would Pads.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh hi zoraster.

Content plz.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Wicked

I was voting RBT. That was because I thought she was part of an unrevealed group.

Something about this doesn't seem like town motivations. It seems like either SK looking for unrevealed or Jupiter looking for unrevealed... OR if there IS no unrevealed, it looks like Jupiter trying to throw town off its trail.

I still believe that Tar and Pads are town,

why

and Raivann is probably Jupiter Mafia.

why. you just said you don't think there are two scumteams, so why do you make the distinction here?

PS, I really think danakillsu should be lynched. Slicey did nothing to participate, then dana comes in, refuses to claim despite me asking since it was a massclaim, then claims later because he was "waiting for someone else to confirm what I said?". WRONG! He was going back and doing a speeeed read of the massclaims to see what everyone was doing so he would know to claim VT.

Come to think of it, given the eight people that are left, I would not mind lynching:

NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED:

Raivann, Wicked, danakillsu, zoraster

That leaves me, Tarhalindur, Socrates, and Pads. Honestly, the four of us (despite the odds saying at least one of Tar/Socrates/Pads has to be scum from my POV) are way less scummy than the above four, and I believe we have a good chance if we lynch from the above list.

@SK; PLEASE KILL ONE OF THE ABOVE FOUR

Well, three after the lynch, but what the hell.

[xRECKONERx]

Mod, please prod anyone who hasn't posted so far on D6

[xRECKONERx]

SERIOUSLY? What the fuck guys. It's D6, no time to fuck around.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't like Tar's 1219, where he says he thinks Raivann is Jupiter, while RBT & Merk are unrevealed. Given both of RBT & Merk's flips, either he was just

way

off-base, or he's scum.

I'd also like to point out that RBT was the only one to question Tar's alignment based on his Prison Guard claim. While I'm also partially guilty in the RBT lynch, Tar pushed for it pretty hard.

I think he's likely scum, but we can leave him be for now, because he HAS to be lynched since he'll just keep self-protecting as Prison Guard. But that can be dealt with tomorrow or the next day.

[xRECKONERx]

@Socrates: I would support a lynch on Raivann, Wicked, danakillsu, or zoraster. Though, I honestly think I'd rather lynch zor or Wicked and let the SK/scum take care of each other. Also, I'm not sure about the various kill flavors, but didn't someone get tracked on D1? I thought we went over this sometime recently.

I think Wicked should be lynched today tbqh.

[xRECKONERx]

Conclusion: There is only one large scum team, plus an SK? The change in kill flavor was due to a change in who the scum team sent to do the kills?

Then what about 'shot' appearing twice?

[xRECKONERx]

Wicked has gotten by the whole game

without doing anything

, not to mention how blatantly bad his posts are. Raivann just seems like the 'buzzword' player of the game to try and lynch up. Not saying he's not scum - just saying I'd rather get a Wicked lynch right now.

[xRECKONERx]

And I want to hear that thought of yours soon.

[xRECKONERx]

And I wanna hear that thought of yours soon.

[xRECKONERx]

FUCKING POSTING.PHP

@MITH, PLEASE MOVE THE GODDAMN SITE

[xRECKONERx]

Tar - what lynches have you supported/trumpeted that WEREN'T on townies?

[xRECKONERx]

Lotsa good content there from Pads.

[xRECKONERx]

Hey, dana, reading the thread helps:

Our dead JOAT used his investigation on me and it came up innocent. I swear, it's like you don't get a fuck about getting the facts right... hmm...

[xRECKONERx]

Also, DANA PLEASE GIVE YOUR OPINION ON RAIVANN. THANKS.

Mod: prod Wicked please

[xRECKONERx]

@Pads: you're also ignoring the fact that maybe Merkabah was just way off regarding BOTH me and Tar. Why does he HAVE to be right about one of them?

[xRECKONERx]

That's not really an opinion. That's like "Oh, he's scummy, but I don't want to call him scum, but maybe I'll call him SK, or maybe I'll call him town."

That's called talking your ass in circles.

[xRECKONERx]

Kay.

Wicked, holy shit, you can't get away with doing nothing the entire time. Give me at least ONE post of content, holy shit holy shit holy shit.

[xRECKONERx]

Yet, out of the EIGHT PEOPLE left, you put me in the top three?

Also, I'm not saying I think Tar is town - I'm saying his alignment is up in the air to me. It seems Seraph-mod-like to have a pair of prison guards of different alignments - but he's also not really a threat since he keeps self-protecting. If it comes down to it, we'll just have to lynch him eventually.

Problem is - even if we hit scum tonight, we're still going to have to hope that the kills end up just right tonight. I'm leaning towards there only being one scum faction and a SK, though I'm certainly not sold on the idea.

[xRECKONERx]

"because of his interactions with the Jupiters that have died" is a poorly executed, vague reason. Please give better reasons. WHAT about his interactions, exactly?

Also, you contradict yourself in the same post:

I think Raivann is Jupiter Mafia, because of his interactions with the Jupiters that have died. I am not sure if he would be scum if he wasn't Jupiter though.

I think Raivann is Jupiter Mafia, because that is what Tar's case demonstrated.

[xRECKONERx]

Why do you assume I got shot N3?

[xRECKONERx]

Also, @Zor, Tar has openly admitted he's not cleared and we've discussed this already. It's like you're not even reading the thread.

AND WAY TO STILL NOT GIVE YOUR OPINION ON RAIVANN, WHAT THE FUCK ZOR?

Vote: Zoraster

At least Wicked is TRYING.

[xRECKONERx]

What a clusterfuck. My responses:

Part 1: If there are two scum factions, then Raivann is unrevealed. If there AREN'T two scum factions, then Raivann is town/SK. Either way, I'd rather not lynch someone who has a 50/50 chance of being a correct lynch based on setup speculation.

Part 2: ...whatever. Though, I don't think a scum Prison Guard would be terribly unbalanced if it was that mafia group's power role.

Part 3: I like the dana/zoraster reads, and I'd be okay with lynching either. @ALL: Who here would oppose a lynch on one of those two?

[xRECKONERx]

CAN YOU BASTARDS PLZ GIVE YOUR OPINION AND BE ACTIVE IN THIS GAME?

Vote: zoraster

[xRECKONERx]

I'm not trying to make a point.

But I mean, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMED SCUM ANYWAY, so why are we wasting time?

It just pisses me off when we're on D6 of a game and people (besides me/Socrates/Tar) refuse to be active.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote

. Fuck. I'm too nervous to do this. Aren't we in LYLO?

[xRECKONERx]

Tar seems to be genuinely looking for scum and trying to sort out this mess. That leaves a few options:

A) He's town prison guard trying to stop either scum from winning.
B) He's Jupiter Prison Guard trying to figure out who is unrevealed (because a wrong lynch means a loss, IIRC.)
C) He's SK-Prison Guard trying to find scum for the same reasons.

No matter which case it is - I don't think Tar should be lynched today. No matter which of the three cases it is above, he's an asset to town simply because he's trying to lynch scum just like we are. Unless, of course, Jupiter is the only faction... but I wouldn't put it past Tar to be willing to bus the shit out of his partner(s) in order to look clean in LyLo.

So, given that I'm not going to lynch myself or Tarhalindur today, allow me a few minutes to go back and look at each person individually and explain their potential connections and figure out who I want to lynch, once and for all. Zoraster's still up there.

[xRECKONERx]

Raivann

: Important Posts
- Believes there is more than one scum faction (iso 9)
- Seemed to indicate he didn't think Glork was townie (iso 11)
- Hammered Cyberbob, then proceeded to vote MonkeyMan the following day, fourth person on the wagon (iso 19)
- Defends Devestation from Tar's attack (iso 24)
- Says he hammered RBT to prove that Tar has lead too many townies to the noose (iso 37)

Conclusion: If Raivann is scum, he's unrevealed. He went after MonkeyMan, and defended Dev from Tar's attacks.

If Raivann is unrevealed, Tar is Jupiter.

I don't see why Raivann would join the monkey wagon like that. Literally, he was pursuing muh/swimmer, and didn't do anything else besides vote MM because he found the two trackers claim unbelievable early on. He suggested Glork wasn't town, which may have been where the Glork kill came from, but I dunno. It's also worth nothing that he was a big fan of the muh lynch, but then again, so was I.
SCUMDAR: 7.5/10

danakillsu/Slicey/Infinis

: Important Posts
- Infinis' only post is a replacement post
- Slicey's two posts are a "Hey" post and a "V/LA" post
- dana replaces in; Says he's going to read to make sure he should claim after I tell him we all already massclaimed (iso 1)
- He claims VT and says he needed someone else (Socrates) to confirm my words. (iso 2)
- Analyzes the swimmer4lyfe wagon and points out that two are mafia and one was tracker, then says the group is 'positively rife with special roles', then suggests we should look carefully at Tar and ToD/Empking (iso 4)
- Votes Tar for two main reasons: the first is that he always votes with either Emp/ToD or Monkeyman, the second is that he can't find any reason not to (iso 5
- Makes the point that he wasn't voting RBT and was actually voting with RBT (iso 6)
- Says my theory that he was doing a speed read of the massclaims to know what to claim is 'stupid', and that he wouldn't claim just because I said so, but would claim after Socrates confirmed what I said; also says that he was trying to find the massclaim, but didn't find it before Socrates posted confirming my words (iso 7)
- Plays the newbie card, says he could be 'forced' to lynch zoraster (12)

Conclusion: Infinis and Slicey were fucking useless. The massclaim bit seems off to me: he won't believe what I say about the massclaim, but will believe what Socrates says? What is the difference? Also, I strongly dislike the fact that he says he was looking for the massclaims, but couldn't find it in time before Socrates posted... which, if he was actually going back and looking, why would he have seen the newest post in the topic? Finally, he concludes that the swimmer4lyfe wagon is 'positively rife with special roles', then lays down a vote on Tar because 'he can't find a reason not to' and because 'Tar votes with Emp/ToD and Monkeyman'. Given the fact that ToD flipped town and MM flipped scum, I'd say that's a weak-ass null-tell. He also mentions that his top three suspects are Wicked, Tar, and myself... but not Raivann.

If danakillsu is scum, he is likely from a different faction than Tar, but is probably scumbuddies with Raivann.

SCUMDAR: 8.5/10

Pads:

Analysis
Pads posted A LOT of content, so I'm going to try and break it down as well as I can. I'm reminded of my earlier post, which Pads quotes in iso 2, where I point out that Pads set Monkeyman up for a easy way to get out of a sticky situation, and Pads just brushes it off. He also says he's not buddying Monkeyman, but that Cyberbob is.

Kise suspected Pads as being Jupiter Mafia, then died. Even if Pads isn't Jupiter, he may have been unrevealed who thought Kise would cause problems.

Pads was against the muh lynch when I was championing it, so I guess that's town points, though I think it's pretty easy for scum to stay off a lynch on purpose, especially since Pads was a big proponent of the Cyberbob case.

He votes for Annachie, but says he would be willing to lynch RBT, Wicked, or Kise. Funny enough, Annachie, RBT, and Kise all flipped town, and Wicked's still alive. Potential scum connection: throw in suspicions of multiple town players, then one of your scum buddies in case you need to bus later on. He even goes on to vote Wicked in his next post.

He keeps on with the whole 'hey I want to lynch Wicked' bit, but votes me after thinking 'hey, Reckoner's BP claim means he's SK' and jumps onto me very quickly. This isn't necessarily town points, here: if he believed me to be a NK-immune SK, then he'd obviously want to try to lynch me pretty hard as scum since he couldn't just kill me.

He says that we're not in a multiscum setup, then after muh's result on me, he does a 180 and says I'm town and not SK.

If Pads is scum, he's unrevealed trying to keep town thinking that his faction doesn't exist.

He reads me/Socrates as most-town, and Tar and zoraster as most-scummy.

Then, of course, we've got his most recent post, where he claims we've got one of two different set-ups with the scum/SK. Basically, Pads is a tough read: a lot of his middle-of-the-game play is flimsy. He gets on the Monkeyman wagon, but hops off quickly for a Cyberbob lynch instead.

Percy/Wickedest

: Important Posts
- He has a big case and lays down a vote on Monkeyman pretty early on (iso 1)
- He spends a few posts catching up, but it's his scumlist at the end that I find most intriguing. He puts Merk, SolemnJ/Annachie, Glork, Wysp/swimmer/muh, and Snow_Bunny on his town list... and I'll be damned if five of them haven't flipped town. He has Tar/Kise/MM/Cyberbob on his scum list, which makes him 1 for 3 there. Everyone else falls into this fuzzy neutral area. (iso 21)
- Overall, during the next few posts, Wicked becomes quite a fan of the Cyberbob and Monkeyman lynches. But he's not necessarily saying Cyberbob is scum, he's just saying it's the best lynch because if he's town, a VT isn't that bad of a loss.
- Reads muh as newbtown (iso 49)
- The next few posts are catchup posts mixed in with 'hey I'm confused' every now and then.
- He winds up saying he's fine with a zoraster lynch, but not a dana lynch

CONCLUSION: What a fucking weird-ass read. His constant pursuit of MonkeyMan makes me think he's DEFINITELY not Jupiter Mafia. Could he be unrevealed? Maybe, but we have no way of determining that. After a re-read, though, I'll say my desire to lynch him has gone down at least a slight bit.

Socrates:

Important Posts
- Kise isn't Jupiter, MM is Exalt's scumbud not swimmer/muh, Merkabah is not Jupiter (iso 3)
- He passively defends swimmer/muh from attacks. (iso 7)
- He moves over to a Vaya vote after I switch to a Snow_Bunny vote.
- He falls behind for awhile and has a hard time catching up.
- Says the perpetual muh wagon sucks and would prefer a Raivann lynch over that (iso 34)
- Apathetically votes RBT after heralding a Raivann lynch for a long time (iso 45)
- But then he unvotes
- Definitively decides that zoraster is a part of the one large Jupiter group with Wicked and Tar, and that Raivann is the SK (iso 60)

CONCLUSION: Out of the players I've iso'd, Socrates is the most townie-looking. He's been consistently wanting to lynch Raivann, called MM/Exalt scumbuddies waaaay early, defended muh and never supported his lynch, and has reached a conclusion regarding who is scum. Add Socrates to the 'will not lynch today' list with Tarhalindur.

zoraster:

Important Posts
- Asks MM a question after his bogus tracker claim (iso 3)
- Then he pops in out of nowhere to drop the hammer on MM (zoraster)
- Zoraster reads muh as town, but bad town, then winds up voting Annachie (iso 8)
- He continues to pursue Annachie for the remainder of the day;
- After Anna's lynch, he disappears for a week, then comes back to vote muh randomly. (iso 15)
- When suspicion turns on him, he seems to be putting out an effort

CONCLUSION: His interactions with MM seem like scum-distancing or something, or some kind of pussy-ish 'feel him out' type thing... but then again, if there's two factions, I don't think he's Jupiter. I'm actually not in favor of a zoraster lynch today.

[xRECKONERx]

So, without further ado, here's my scumdar/preference of lynches after my isos. Note that I will not include myself or Tar on it.

danakillsu > Raivann > Pads = Wicked > zoraster > Socrates

Vote: danakillsu

. I'm also inclined to believe that we're NOT in multiscum and are actually in one scum faction + SK after I did all that work with the hypothesis of being in multiscum.

My idea:

IF WE'RE IN MULTISCUM, I like Tarhalindur for the last remaining Jupiter. Raivann, danakillsu, Pads, and Socrates have all been vocal about Tarhalindur, which would lead me to believe a Raivann/dana/Pads scumteam, with Socrates as the most pro-town SK in history.

If we're not in multiscum, which for some reason seems more likely, I have no clue, because I didn't re-read with single scum in mind.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, why do you think Zoraster is unlikely jupiter? The quickhammer on monkey day 2 is a total jupiter mafia tell because a scum that knew their buddy was caught would have motivation to cut the day short and would know that they wouldn't get much flack for it because Monkey would flip mafia.

Because if there's one Jupiter left and another scumteam, it's Tar. If there's a massive Jupiter mafia group and then a SK, I think it's plausible that zor could be Jupiter, but I haven't considered all the risks yet.

What about danakillsu? Let's lynch him, please?

[xRECKONERx]

HOLY SHIT ACTIVITY PLEASE

[xRECKONERx]

Sweet.

Okay, guys, can we just lynch dana already?

[xRECKONERx]

Seriously, Wicked, provide some kind of content. If you're town, you're going to make me lynch you and therefore lose us the game. If your'e scum, you're signing your own death warrant by continuing to fuck around like this.

[xRECKONERx]

I've been patient for like two weeks while everyone just sorta shrugs off this game.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote; Vote: Zoraster

Socrates, you owe me a SK kill on dana tonight.

[xRECKONERx]

I really don't like this to be honest. I am much much much more confident in a danakillsu lynch. I think zoraster has been scummy, but I also think it's been blown out of proportion. Look at what dana has done. Look at my post about him. Regardless of what kind of play style he's had in the past, what he's done in this game is pretty blatantly scummy.

[xRECKONERx]

I like Wicked's read on Pads.