Mini 1006: Random Mafia Game Over!

[gandalf5166]

No, I only read the game because I saw that it had been ended for cheating and wondered what manner of cheating had occurred.

[AGar]

Ah ok, was an alright game.

[xvart]

I am a vanilla. I couldn't care less if you lynch me today.

Doesn't sound like you are playing to your win condition with that attitude. That, more so than your VT claim, is scummy.

Unvote
Vote: vezokpiraka

Vezo, you check out. You have responded as expected. Your claim is true, though still stupid.

And you know the claim is true how?

xvart.

[Exe]

I don't know. But his actions post vote support the theory that his claim is true. Therefore, I believe it is true.

[Espeonage]

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Exe

[vezokpiraka]

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Exe

Want to put some thought in that?

[Espeonage]

There is.

[AGar]

Hmmm... I really don't like the interaction between Vezok and Exe. Vezok claims, Exe pressures him, Vezok reacts with OMGUS, Exe unvotes and says "Not scum.", someone else votes for Exe and Vezok questions the vote..

VOTE: Exe

[Exe]

Your vote makes sense Agar, but I would request that you reconsider whether or not Vezok is aiding me, or rather--based on his foolish claim--he is just confused.
I think you'll find that such an interaction between a different player and I would indeed point to the connection you are suggesting. This time, however, the conclusion is questionable at best.

I tell everyone, of any alignment, not to fight my battles or help me out. Vezok, the same goes to you.

[totallynotmafia]

Oh wow...if vez is scum then I'm almost certain Exe is too, vez's explanation as to why he claimed was pretty weak but Exe's backflip after calling for his lynch was even weaker, and this line:

I tell everyone, of any alignment, not to fight my battles or help me out. Vezok, the same goes to you.

seems to me like Exe is trying to coach his/her scum-buddy mid-game.

@gandalf: why did you come in with a random vote after there were already a couple of serious votes cast? What is your opinion on vez's claim and the discussion about it afterwards?

[xvart]

Your vote makes sense Agar, but I would request that you reconsider whether or not Vezok is aiding me, or rather--based on his foolish claim--he is just confused.

Confused about what? What is there to be confused about? Being a vanilla townie as you know he is? I would think that would be less confusing. And the fact that you say "that vote makes sense" but then interjects some reconsideration is suspicious. Are you trying to butter him up? Then you admit that the interaction would be suspicious if it was

anyone else

other than vezok; appealing to the VI behavior, as if you are looking for an easy out.

I don't know. But his actions post vote support the theory that his claim is true. Therefore, I believe it is true.

What actions post vote? His sarcasticly talking about being lynched in three RL days and how inspiring that would be, how he could care less if he was lynched today, or him explaining that he is a he and not a she?

Which of those posts screams obvtown?

You are scum, who was trying to defend someone you know is town, so when we lynched him you would score major town points since you were against the incorrect lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Exe

xvart.

[AGar]

I think you'll find that such an interaction between a different player and I would indeed point to the connection you are suggesting. This time, however, the conclusion is questionable at best.

This is unnerving. I'm confident in my vote right now.

[Exe]

Your argument does not hold up on multiple major points.

First of all, when I say he is confused, I mean that he is not aware of the fact that he is seen as defending me, but instead is just going with whatever he can find, hence his questioning of Espeon.

Next, I am saying tha AGar's vote in a normal situation makes sense. His thought process is logical - right after I backed off of Vezok, Vezok seems to defend me. I am not claiming that does not appear scummy--doing so would be a lie. Hence, I admit he is logical. My only explanation I can offer is that Vezok's seeming defense of me is unwanted and random. No one--town or scum--would be able to offer any other explanation without blatantly lying.

Next, you clearly do not know how to read a player. His post that suggests town (do not put words in my mouth by saying "screams obvtown." I said no such thing) is his OMGUS of me once he realized the wagon was serious. It reads to me as a VI voting angrily in a way that scum avoid doing, even as a VI.

Finally, your final analysis of me is poor at best.
It is illogical to suggest that I was trying to score points in the case of a town lynch. For one, 2 votes on page 2 does not suggest "immanent lynch" in any scenario.

Here is what happened. I voted to test his claim. His reaction decided the result of the test. He passed. For now. Now I can move on to finding more likely scum. That is all.

[xvart]

First of all, when I say he is confused, I mean that he is not aware of the fact that he is seen as defending me, but instead is just going with whatever he can find, hence his questioning of Espeon.

I really am unmoved by the fact that his questioning of Espeonage is defending you or not. Someone asking for reasoning behind a vote is fairly common and can hardly be considered defending. In fact, I don't see anyone saying anything about defending except you.

Next, I am saying tha AGar's vote in a normal situation makes sense. His thought process is logical - right after I backed off of Vezok, Vezok seems to defend me. I am not claiming that does not appear scummy--doing so would be a lie. Hence, I admit he is logical. My only explanation I can offer is that Vezok's seeming defense of me is unwanted and random. No one--town or scum--would be able to offer any other explanation without blatantly lying.

Again, if anything, I see Vezok's action as determining Espeonage's motives and not defending you. If he is defending you by asking for Espeonage's motives than that is a fairly weak defense.

Next, you clearly do not know how to read a player. His post that suggests town (do not put words in my mouth by saying "screams obvtown." I said no such thing) is his OMGUS of me once he realized

the wagon was serious

. It reads to me as a VI voting angrily in a way that scum avoid doing, even as a VI.

Oh wise one, please instruct me on the ways of "reading a player." Oh, and you did not say "screams obvtown" but you did say "your claim is true" meaning he is vanilla townie, hence the obvtown. If someone's vanilla claim is true, I would think that that would make them obvtown. You really think that of all things that the following post says is that vezok's vanilla town claim is true?

See if you can beat the record.
If you lynch me in less than 3 RL days from this post I will say that this game was the most inspiring [/sarcasm]

I am a vanilla. I couldn't care less if you lynch me today.
Even so the corect play today will be to lynch scum.
Exe is scum. He didn't say " thoughts , thoughts".

Unvote
Vote Exe

Finally, your final analysis of me is poor at best.
It is illogical to suggest that I was trying to score points in the case of a town lynch. For one, 2 votes on page 2 does not suggest "immanent lynch" in any scenario.

Yeah, but even you said it yourself, the wagon was serious (italicized in quotes above). Regardless, it doesn't matter; that lynch didn't have to go through immediately. More than likely, vezok will not be around in endgame so claiming his VT claim as true now will score you points later when he is killed (by whatever method).

xvart.

[Exe]

I didn't say he was defending me, Agar implied it. Hence my use of the phrase "seeming defense."

Suspicion was put on me by AGar due to Vezok's questioning of Espeon's vote. If you have no issue with that then I see no need to address the issue either, as I don't find that a useful piece of evidence. Agar, however, still seems to suggest that's his reason for voting me. Why do you ignore that?

I fear regarding the next part that you misinterpret the way I speak. This is a fault of the way I choose to speak, not the current situation. I was not calling him obvtown, nor was I excusing him from future suspicion. I only intended to say that for now I believe his claim.

I fail to see how me stating that I believe him for now will score me points later. It would be a fairly transparent scheme, if that's really what I intended.

[millar13]

Unvote Vote: exe

to much red and black in your avatar

[Espeonage]

Unvote Vote: exe

to much red and black in your avatar

Wanna read the thread bud.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I think we're at L-2. IShould we really have such a quick lynch today? I agree that Exe is playing as scummy as hell but we should be careful.

[AGar]

@xvart - I did vote after the fact that vezok questioned Espeonage's vote because quite frankly, that's the only vote vezok questioned. And vezok pretty much attacked the vote, not questioned it for reasoning.

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Exe

Want to put some thought in that?

The reason that I'm parking my vote on Exe right now is because of Exe's "clearing" of vezok. I still don't like it, and I don't like the fact that the two have basically come to each other's aids.

[Espeonage]

You know. Quick lynches aren't really that bad. Considering that we are going to have alot of PRs in this game a QL might not be a bad thing. I would even support a quicklynch considering the type of game this is.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Perhaps it's because in the games I've been in, Day One has gone into double digits, but before I vote, I have a question to ask to the two who are helping each other.

Exe, what is your opinion on Vezo?

Vezo, what is your opinion on Exe?

[Espeonage]

in b4 WIFOMwave of denial.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

If I see a WIFOM wave, I'll be voting appropriately.

[Espeonage]

you really don't get what is going to happen when they get on do you?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

They'll either protect each other, do something half sensible or go OMGZ he's so suspicious. Am I right? Or is there a D?