Oldy Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[chamber]

Vote: IH

Lets kill him before he flakes!

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Vote: IH

[chamber]

Oh hey guys.

Vote: chamber

. It's tradition.

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Unvote vote:Stark

Fuck alliances. (unless its me and CES).

[chamber]

Ask yourselves a question... is it protown to lynch lurkers/flakes in a game with our replacement list?

I can see a townie entertaining and dismissing the idea, like Yos just did. I can see a townie using the idea as a basis for a random vote, like BBM did in #10. What strikes me as odd is a townie player (who is supposed be thinking critically about others' alignments) agreeing with BBM and voting behind him. Who did that?

Vote: IH

Lets kill him before he flakes!

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Vote: IH

Now, can we please stop all this silly random wagoning and get some more votes on chamber please? Thanks.

Mine was also a random vote :/ . You clearly have no way of knowing this, but once sign ups were finalized and the game had yet to start lynching IH before he lurked became a running joke in scumchat.

[chamber]

Why are you still voting him?

I'm not.

[chamber]

unvote vote ctd

L-4

[chamber]

Hey ces, can we vote ythill or yos instead of ctd?

[chamber]

Hey ces, can we vote ythill or yos instead of ctd?

Ok, now this post is legitimately scummy.

Unvote:Gurgi

Vote:Chamber

No its not.

[chamber]

Unvote Vote Untrod Tripod

[chamber]

UT needs more votes.

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@chamber

- How would you describe your scumhunting strategy, both in general and in this particular game?

I'm 100% off my game here if thats what you are getting at. I'm having a lot of trouble finding lines of attacks cause everyone is too good :/. It should get better as the game progresses though.

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@Chamber

- What do you feel you've done to earn Yos's suspicion?

I still think yos is scum so.. nothing? Presented a seemingly easy target? I don't know.

More UT votes!!

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@yos

Me wanting to wagon you isn't indicative of me thinking that you are scum?

[chamber]

Well, now you know for the future. I don't just wagon

anybody

.

[chamber]

Thing is, I read his "Ythill or Yos" post as reaction-fishing, which would explain the lack of conviction. Now he's saying it meant he suspected Yos, which seems off.

Posts can do more than 1 thing at a time.

You thought I was fishing for a reaction yet chose to completely ignore the post instead of making some kind of response?

Unvote Vote Ythill

ebwop: I'm not charter

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I missed ythill claiming that I was chainsawing mert, that's pretty hilarious.

Me and HH have the scum, everyone else should follow us.

[chamber]

^classic scum post

[chamber]

Keep flailing, its funny.

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Not really.

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I am convinced, but I'm also fallible, and you have perfect knowledge. Gambling on your lynch is good enough for me.

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Sheep me? No, I hope they don't. I'd appreciate it if they gave your play a once over though.

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And? I see no contradiction there which I assume is what you are getting at.

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If you think someone is "fishing for a reaction" by saying they suspect you, you're required to respond to them? Why, so they can call you "defensive" and use that as an excuse to vote for you? You're not making any sense here, chamber.

I really really hate spelling things out, but go read what he did post right after that.

[chamber]

Guys seriously, reread Ythills posts, I trust in your ability.

[chamber]

Can I be, yes, but I don't think that would be at all protown. Read all his posts, there are only like 50, enough town members should see it.

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C0mr4ad3 (11:45:57 PM): Chamber, go make a post in our game
blargerer (11:47:13 PM): prod me in thread not out, if I'm reading I'll get the message.
C0mr4ad3 (11:49:11 PM): Well, I just posted, and I don't want to doublepost

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My vote on chamber isn't just for the bet. Yos had some convincing evidence I'd overlooked because I had taken the statement as chamber fishing for reactions, primarily from CES. There's also the slippery way chamber responded to the bet argument. The whole thing started by him calling for town to follow him. When I pointed out the sharp change in his confidence (won't bet five push-ups or less versus wants town to sheep him), his immediate respose was either a lie or semantics. Either way it's a scummy defense.

That, plus I disagree with those who claim they wouldn't take the bet. Put yourself in chamber's shoes. He doesn't just have an inkling I'm scum. He's calling for people to follow him. He's suggesting that other players should be able to see why just by reading my iso. He's

convinced.

Or so he would have us believe. Until there are concequences to him. If he's so sure I'm scum, wouldn't it be tempting to lynch me D1

and

make me wear a silly avatar? If he's so sure I'm scum, wouldn't it be worth it to bet something really small, just so people can see my reaction when he calls my bluff? His quick reversal from overconfident to well-I-might-be-wrong back to overconfident seems contrived.

You should have said you thought I was reaction fishing from CES earlier, makes that seem less bad. I still think you are scum though, and I wasn't arguing semantics or lying at any point. I expect every player to take responsibility for their vote and don't expect them to move it this far into the game without having legitimate suspicions about someone. To me, calling for more people to vote you IS calling for them to take another look at your play and decide for themselves.

On the way I reacted to the bet; You yourself have previously stated that, if I'm town, I'm already willing to wager the out come of a lynch on your alignment. Adding more weight to your flip would require more evidence. I also have moral issues with such a bet, but was having trouble wording them, or explaining them eloquently, so I elected not to mention them at all. Also I know from previous experiences that about half the time that I'm convinced I'm wrong so...

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By earlier I meant you should have specified CES when you specified you thought I was reaction fishing. I already said I had trouble putting my moral issue into words, that hasn't changed. It feels a lot like its bringing outside influence into the game, is the best way I can put it.

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If you want to think that then thats fine. I imagine most people would have the same moral problem with it that I did though, I didn't really expect you to understand as the one offering it.

[chamber]

Ad populum? I'm not arguing that any sort of moral problem I had with it is justified because everyone thinks so(I don't even know that everyone thinks so) In fact whether its justified or not doesn't really matter at all. I expect others to see the moral problem with making such a bet and therefore understand 1 of the reasons that I wouldn't.

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Favoritism.

I prefer to think she's just trying to get a read on who his team mates are before voting for him.

[chamber]

This is exactly the response I would expect from Ecto as town. He gets angry. I still think inHim/chamber is the way to go.

First time I ever played with Ecto was in a Newbie. I had him (correctly) pegged as scum right from the start of day one. He got angry then just like he is now and, as a result, managed to convince the rest of the town I was wrong and led them into a scum victory. Not saying it means he's scum in this game because of that specific reason but

I don't share your confidence in it meaning he's protown either.

bolded mine

I think this is obvious of Mert, predicated by his vote of Ectomancer; I find it odd that he states it this way. Just a gut thing, but I needed to be sure and remind myself of this later.

Is there a reason you made this note in thread instead of on your local machine?

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My current musings because I've been rather tight lipped with reads so far:

Mafia 1:
11) Ythill
???
15) stark

Mafia 2:
1) Yosarian2
16) inHimshallibe
10) ChannelDelibird (replaces Untrod Tripod)

Town(least to most townish)
7) Glork
4) Shanba
9) Lord Gurgi
2) Mert
18) MrBuddyLee
14) Ectomancer
3) DrippingGoofball (replacing IH)
5) Flameaxe
6) CrashTextDummie
12) Fritzler
13) HackerHuck
8) Cogito Ergo Sum



Feel free to laugh at the terrible inaccuracy once the game is over.

[chamber]

I said you guys could laugh

after

the game .

Hey Ecto, I think you are town, but hurry up and claim so that we can move on to scum.

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I only suggested there are 2 teams cause I was having trouble fitting Ythill with members. I could see him as an sk though.

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He should know better, but at the same time I haven't really found him scummy all game, so 1 negative point doesn't make me want to lynch him. I wish he had claimed so that we could have moved on easier. Of course you glork ctd and hacker were in the same game I was last time I saw someone refuse to claim, and they were scum then so *shrug*. I'd rather see him deadlined then no lynch at all.

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Unvote Vote inhim

consolidating my vote cause of deadline.

[chamber]

Hey ecto, it would have been nice if you claimed when we still had time to get a full wagon in. :/
EVERYONE ON TO INHIM (or yos or ythill)!!!!

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People Im willing to lynch: CDB, YTHILL, YOS, SHANBA, STARK, INHIM.

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@yos:

Fuck you for thinking I'd try and get off a strategic modkill on a player. I take that as an attack on my character.

@EVERYONE:

if you aren't voting for MBL or INHIM you need to be doing so or you are effectively voting no lynch.

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Do the people on MERT really expect to get 7 votes in 9 hours on someone who few people have stated any suspicion of?

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Any cardflip is better than nolynch, BBM.

Mert is better than the alternatives. IMO, he's a better lynch than anyone else.

I'm going to rush out a case here but I'd also like everyone to consider how blamelessly scum could have hammered him by now.

I'm confused. If his lynch is better than a no lynch for the town why would scum want to blamelessly hammer?

I'm not gonna hammer by the way, this wagon gives us like no info, its not worth the very likely mislynch.

[chamber]

btw mert is at L-2 right now by my count.

[chamber]

Getting threw the lynch requires both me and BBM to not be wagon shy... so yeah. No one that was active during this period will be blamable unless 2 mystery people show up. gl you've got < 40mins.

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I'm confused. If his lynch is better than a no lynch for the town why would scum want to blamelessly hammer?

D1 Town PoV = scum lynch > town lynch > nolynch.
D1 Scum PoV = town lynch > nolynch > scum lynch.

You're not confused. You're scum.

You're wrong. It makes no sense for both town and scum to want the same thing (town lynch > no lynch).
And now Im off till after deadline gl finding the 10th assuming I did count wrong.

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yos isnt voting mert, I should trust my counting skills by for real now.

[chamber]

Vote CDB

He needs to hang.

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DGB, is there a reason you chose those moments to snapshot? For instance you don't have me on the CTD wagon even though I'm quite sure I was voting for him at 1 point.

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You also seem to have weighted all the wagons equally, ie regardless of length there is the same number of scum on each. Again can I hear why?

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length = number of voters*

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Even I think I would have been a better day 1 lynch than mert. I don't know wtf the town was thinking. At least enough people had stated opinions on me to make my lynch mean something. In the end the Mert wagon gave meaningful feedback on what; Ythill, HH, DGB, and Yos? Everyone else was just on there to get a lynch. Fucking terrible. (list of names based on memory so excuse any inaccuracy)

[chamber]

Here.

Nothing on why wagons have the same expected scum on them regardless of size?

[chamber]

... but bbm DID hammer?

[chamber]

shouldnt it be 200/8 =25 for those, not 12?

[chamber]

what?

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Shouldn't you now at least attempt to normalize the results in someway? Say if there are 2 scum on a given wagon during a given vote count, that would mean that there are 3? Off of that wagon, if you calculate those numbers and add them as well it would help to compensate for the fact that good players understand that bandwagoning is good for the town.


Preview: ces, she meant 100/8*2

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You probably don't get it cause you cut it mid sentence that '?' was at the number 3 as I'm still unsure about the total number of scum in the game. The following 'O' was spellcheck, oops.

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Lynching is good cause it provides info. I had a slight town read on Mert, and on top of that felt the wagon was incredibly forced and was going to provide basically no info anyway. Under those conditions I liked a no lynch better.

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I wouldn't have hammered if I had a null read there either. It was just throwing away a body for no real gain (other than the near random chance they were scum).

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I've never seen a town rally to lynch someone out of fucking nowhere in the last 12 hours of a day before. So that would be a no.

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And what word would you use to refer to the whole playerbase collectively?

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So, on the 'town' vs 'people' thing, all I can say is that I always use 'town' like that, but after 15 pages of your posts you appear not to.

I'm voting CDB right now, NOT CTD, who is pretty obvtown.

As for why I've never voted yos; I've been voting either stronger reads(ythill, cdb) or more viable wagons(inhim).

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On "the shotgun": I believe it was CES yesterday who claimed a game needs a certain number of sheep to work properly. In the absence of those sheep if everyone was just gunning for their strongest read the game would get nowhere, a wider net needs to be cast and people need to compromise to get wagons going.

@DGB

At what points specifically do you think its inconsistent for me to not have been voting for yos?


Why aren't more people voting CDB? This is like textbook CDB scum.

[chamber]

Why would how vocal a player is make me more likely to follow them? How many people are really putting weight behind said barking?

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@DGB

Unless you are willing to provide specific moments where you think I should have voted for Yos I'd done talking to you about it.

@Ythill

I still think you are scum, but not with yos/cdb/Inhim. We should form some sort of voting block to get rid of those 3 (or at least cdb/inhim) and hold off on fighting amongst ourselves until they are dead.

In the spirit of cooperation,

Vote Inhim

, I'm much more sure about CDB, but inhim should still be scum.

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@HH

Gurgi always pushes to lynch me. Should have said this in my previous post but hadn't read yours carefully enough apparently.

@CDB

I see you active elsewhere on the site, get your ass in here.

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@Glork

What do you think of CTD's most recent post?

[chamber]

I'd love to be voting for CDB but I failed to get it started, why don't you try.

[chamber]

Glork, I know you recently seem to enjoy pretending that I don't exist but:

@Glork

What do you think of CTD's most recent post?

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@Shanba

Can you give the town reads you said you have?

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This town fails at wagoning so I've put together a list in the form of [person(number of people that find them suspicious since the start of the day): List of the people]

InHim(5):
Lord Gurgi
chamber
Ythill
CDB
Shanba

YOS(4.5):
CES
Ythill
Glork?
Shanba
chamber

CDB(4):
chamber
Lord Gurgi
DGB
CTD
Ythill

shanba(4):
Glork
chamber
HackerHuck
Yos

Ces(3):
InHim
DGB
Ythill

Ythill(2.5):
Prozac
chamber
Gurgi?

Glork(2.5):
DGB
CTD?
Ythill

Porochaz(1.5):
CTD
DGB?

Gurgi(1):
InHim

chamber(1):
Yos

Stark(1):
HackerHuck

DGB(1):
Lord Gurgi




I only scanned the thread, so its not surprising that my top 4 mafia suspects are also the top 4 on this list, its likely biased in my reads favour by me having perfect knowledge of who I suspect. If their are any oversights please point them out.

Things to note:
Inhim, the person with the most suspicions, nearly had all of them voting for him and still nothing happened.
MBL isn't on the list at all.
People need to be more liberal with their voting if they want to avoid yesterdays situation.

[chamber]

I can't count. cdb should be 5 -.-

[chamber]

mafia = cdb, yos, inhim, shanba
sk = Ythill

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@InHim

I'll ask the same thing of you that I asked of DGB, where would you have had me voting for yos?

Vote:Shanba

[chamber]

@chamber: Beginningish of Day 1.

Pick 1 or more of my posts please.

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I liked the UT wagon, it was way bigger, my vote was doing work there.

It was a kneejerk reaction: to him saying something incredibly scummy, imo anyway.

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Guys, CES hasn't done anything thats actually scummy this game. I think there are 3 people that are alive that I would say that about. Terrible wagon.

@people who aren't voting: Put your fucking vote somewhere, I'm not having a repeat of yesterday.

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Your VCA was complete bullshit though, I called you out on its obvious flaw before he even said anything. I'd be upset in his shoes too.

[chamber]

You never corrected the bullshit I'm talking about, that is to say: It still completely ignores those off wagons. That makes it biased against people who wagon, which is a protown activity.

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Unvote
Vote: ChannelDelibird

About damn time.

[chamber]

Hey gurgi 2 questions for you:
1 Do you find me scummy this game?
2 Do you think a wagon on me is actually viable?

[chamber]

So of the 6 people other than InHim that currently have votes, I'm the best, but you still probably wouldnt lynch me? That seems questionable. Can I get a list of everyone that you do find lynchable? Also, if you have the time, go meta CDB, not finding him scummy here is criminal.

[chamber]

I really don't see myself getting lynched, so it seemed like your actions were completely contradictory to your words. I'm certainly biased though.

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DGB? No. Yes to the other 3. Am I delusional?

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I'd have to go back and check for it, its not specifically what I meant though, no.

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Im also a critic. Though I don't see the relevence, if townies ranked high wouldn't they have a reason to doubt its accuracy?

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When have I acted like you were unlynchable?

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Well that impression is wrong. I believe I said stronger reads, or more viable wagons. (with the more viable wagons specifically referencing the deadline wagon). Why would I lead the charge against anyone but my strongest read? Especially when others have shown suspicion of them?

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Yep, manipulating the town by asking for corrections/more input and clearly stating that the list was biased in favor of my reads by virtue of me having perfect knowledge of whom I suspect.

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I think gurgi not being under my name was actually a transcription error, he got put under CDB instead, which he later pointed out he shouldn't have been. I was trying to figure out where I messed up.

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The problem is that calls like that keep getting made right as other wagons are starting. How about we make the call out for the CDB wagon first which has more votes anyway?

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Where did I say I wanted him lynched before he came back? And for that matter hes not V/LA just LA hes still around the site.

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Why should l listen to the fish?

Don't listen to the fish. Listen to the me that listens to the fish.

[chamber]

Check your role pm you lazy bum.

[chamber]

Cases are scummy? =D

<3


I'm just waiting on CDB to show up at this point.

[chamber]

His V/LA is done today, and its already the early evening over there, so I expect SOMETHING soon.

[chamber]

I assure you, if all 4/5 of those names are correct, its little more than a fluke. I'm not

that

good.

Where the hell is CDB?

[chamber]

/headdesk

CDBs gonna walk away from this by just ignoring the thread the entire time? Really?

[chamber]

CES is on V/LA

Also this pains me to no end but:

Unvote Vote Yos

[chamber]

thats L-1

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DGB, if you are the vig, please don't announce your kills before hand.

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It has nothing to do with me thinking CES is town. If the mafia have an RB, they gain control over who you do and don't kill when you announce it before hand like that.

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He's refusing to claim, lets finish him off.

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I'm not voting you reluctantly. I unvoted CDB reluctantly.

[chamber]

Why would the way I've played it decrease the responsibility I take for your lynch? I'm calling for your l-1 and hammer, I've suspected you since yesterday, Im voting you right now. I would rather we hang InHim or CDB right now, but compromise is needed and you are a compromise I'm more than happy to take my share of responsibility for.

[chamber]

Huh? I'm not calling you more scummy for refusing to claim, I now just know I wont be getting one that will change my mind.

[chamber]

I donno. The scumlist he came up with in that one post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective at all. His whole multi-page attack on Ythill was scummy, for reasons I spent a lot of time going into earlier,

his attack on me was OMGUS driven

and scummy, his attack on inhim was pretty terrible, his attack on Stark seems mostly to have been caused by the fact that Stark was asking him questions, and I'm kind of fuzzy on the reasoning behind his attack on CDB.

The fuck? The closest thing I've done to attacking you was done well before you said you were suspicious of me.
Stark made my list cause he fit as a scumbuddy for Ythill, I've since decided that Ythill is an SK though, so Ether is off the hook.

I'm fine with an InHim wagon if that's what's going to happen, but we need to fucking commit, get a claim, and then lynch someone. I'm not having someone claim a power role at deadline and then having us scramble for another terrible lynch.

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I donno. The scumlist he came up with in that one post doesn't make any sense from a town perspective at all. His whole multi-page attack on Ythill was scummy, for reasons I spent a lot of time going into earlier,

his attack on me was OMGUS driven

and scummy, his attack on inhim was pretty terrible, his attack on Stark seems mostly to have been caused by the fact that Stark was asking him questions, and I'm kind of fuzzy on the reasoning behind his attack on CDB.

The fuck? The closest thing I've done to attacking you was done well before you said you were suspicious of me.
Stark made my list cause he fit as a scumbuddy for Ythill, I've since decided that Ythill is an SK though, so Ether is off the hook.

Other then that offhand comment about "hey, we could vote yos or ythill", this was the first time you actually called me scum.

@Chamber

- What do you feel you've done to earn Yos's suspicion?

I still think yos is scum so.. nothing? Presented a seemingly easy target? I don't know.

More UT votes!!

That looked pretty OMGUSy to me.

The closest thing I've done to attacking you was my 'offhand comment'. The other was just truthfully answering a question. Note the 'still'. You claiming to think that I'm scum has played 0 role in me thinking that you are scum. I hate when people use OMGUS like that to discredit shit. I expect better from this list, and from you.

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I respond to attacks when I see something worth responding to. Your attack agaisnt me has failed to get anyone else to vote for me, so I'd say that I was justified in not needing to address it. TBH I don't even know what you've attacked me for off the top of my head, other than the way I dealt with Ythill day 1. I don't FOS anymore, mainly because I realized that I only ever naturally did it as scum.

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Unvote Vote InHim

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L-2 is perfectly within claim range in a large.

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@chamber:

I don't understand how game size should justify a claim from someone who does not have enough declared votes for a lynch. It only helps scum.

Did you reread your role PM yet? Still think I'm a SK?

Because keeping things moving is pro-town and letting things stagnate helps the scum? If a certain percentage of the town want to push a given wagon I think thats good enough regardless of what the L-X is.

I assume you mean the win condition. I think you are reading too much into it. I haven't really been pressuring you anyway. If I was going to stop thinking that you were an SK it would be because DGB claimed vig and thought fritz was scum, leaving us with no SK kill.

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lol. more ===[]

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Guys, don't make open guess's at his role, just lynch him.

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Shanba, why would you unvote before thinking there? its not like your vote on yos was very relevant atm anyway.

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I can't say for sure, but atm, that would be my inclination.

DGB: CES isn't happening, push for someone that might actually die.

[chamber]

*offers moral support*

[chamber]

You know you guys can talk about the meet over aim instead right?

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FUCK FUCK FUCK. MY POST WAS HALF DONE THEN "THIS PAGE IS TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE" THEN NOTHING. WHERE THE FUCK HAS MY POST GONE!

MS's server is having issues with posts > 8400 characters, so keep it below that.

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I agree with gurgi here, wth were you thinking mbl?

[chamber]

CDB, Porochaz, Glork. That's he people I'm willing to go for today.

vote Porochaz

I'll have a look at HackerHuck, I might be interested.

I also have a feeling that chamber should be re-evalued in light of recent deaths.

More specifically why?

@HH:

OMGUS is bad, but completely writing off someones suspicions as OMGUS is far worse.

Vote CDB

because he's still scum.

Need to reread before I know how the unexpected flips change my opinion on everyone else.

[chamber]

He's much higher on my suspect list than the last time I posted one, but I'd like to do a full reread before committing.

[chamber]

He's playing to his scum meta imo. Meta him yourself if you want to know what I mean by that.

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I don't do that entire convincing thing, its anti-town.

[chamber]

What did shea say about you calling other people weird?

[chamber]

Chamber, don't you care about my vote?

Not at all. Should I?

[chamber]

*shrug* Your votes for me this game have always felt like they were out of habit, or lazy, or convenient, not because you truly found me scummy. I haven't been treating them like they had any weight. Basically I was assuming I was your 'default' vote because you have trouble reading me. Are you telling me this one is different?

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I am? Well then. Prod avoided.

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Not well, I keep trying, but, well, yeah.

[chamber]

Other than wishing CTD would get, and answer the question I asked, I've got nothing to note. If I did I would have noted it. This reread attempt is fairing better than the last few though. I've made it to page 3!

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If I don't do it in one go stuff doesnt stick properly. 81 pages is a lot .

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isoing is useless for gaining context, which is what I'm rereading for.

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I wouldn't hold my breath too long. While you are here though, are you sure you aren't scum this game?

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You've claimed to be transparent as scum, what game where you were scum would you call your least transparent? Include a link please.

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So... After blasting glork about mmos taking up his time, an mmo has been taking up my time -.-. I promise to post something real sometime after I eat, which I'm doing now.

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Isn't the reason to hate selfmeta selfevident?

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I am totally 'guilt spiraling' right now. If we are talking self meta I don't think I guilt spiral as scum, I tend not to feel guilty for my actions then. Of course just lurking strategically as scum vs. guilt spiraling, it would be hard to find a difference from some pov other than my own.

I guess I should talk about the claims. CTD I believe more than glork. I'll roll with glork being cop for now, but I can see it potentially being faked. As a general rule I trust my reads over POE every time, for a recently completed example of this see txtmafia. I know I'm town so any poe that puts me as scum is wrong. I'm guessing one of glork is scum or he investigated a godfather is true, not sure which is more likely atm.

I'm still very comfortable with the CDB vote.

@ether

I never got around to actually metaing you guilt spiral and all. I'm likely to be more productive in the short run at least, if I just forget that I asked you for a link to the game.

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On little spirals: it seems to me like you're trying to explain why you played to your scum meta during the inHim lynch.

Read what she said again...

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"or he investigated a gf" <-- should also include the possability that shanba is a gf.

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I'd much rather lynch CDB today, its looking worse for glrok, but it can wait a night.

I am still hoping to get my chat in with chamber.

I'm here now.

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If there is exactly 1 gf in the game, then going into n1, we had 17, minus one for ctd himself, minus one for ecto, 1/15 odds he investigates the gf. Not that big a long shot at all. Especially because that doesn't take into account cops avoiding investigating town reads ect.

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Hey ether, ect.

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I don't know why you'd want me to say more about cdb. Hes the 1 person I've take na definite stance on.

Uh well, normally it happens when I'm not enjoying the game for some reason(which is basically always when im scum), but when Im town I feel guilt for not putting in that extra work rereading/reading other games, so I feel like my posts are devoid of content, so I don't make them, which just further detaches me from the game. I'm trying to post anyway now though. As scum I don't care that my posts are devoid of content so it doesn't really happen.

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That makes no sense. Convince yourself.

I have no idea what my last completed game as scum is, let alone my last 2. Its been a long time. as far as town though: (one of these is a hydra)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15596

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15375 (hydra)

These are also my only 2 recent finished games.

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You should get a read on him directly, not threw me. If you are trying to get a read on me it makes more sense to press me for more info, not rehashes of the same info.

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Our talk was just getting interesting ether, where did you run to?

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Easy people is Prozac and CDB, our lurkers. The people you're talking about are not cleared, but if you're talking about lynching on the presupposition that all claims are true, then sure I suppose you could say that. Chamber is my default lynch. I'd snap his neck any day.

I was going to say that chamber is as big a lurker as any of those, but then I realised that he actually has more posts than me. How the hell did that happen.

And by more you mean twice as many lol. A lot of mine aren't that full of content though, like this triple post -.-. Trying to stay interested.

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I went to lie down. I have a worsening headache. Still do.

You haven't given the information the first time, aside from that you have a meta on CDB that I don't know about.

How many scum would you expect to find in {CDB, Porochaz, Gurgi, Ether, CES}?

Why didn't I get a ninja popup thing? oh well.

I don't want to give a number, thats playing to poe, which isn't how I play. It only ever screws towns over, it doesn't win them games. I'll judge each individually.

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Yep, a complete lack of initiative is what characterizes, and in many ways causes, my guilt spirals.

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Yeah, mass claims fine, realized I didnt say that earlier.

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You guys wanted me to claim too right? I'm also vanilla.

I still like a CDB lynch here, but Glorks slip on the previous page is fairly damning, I could lynch him too.

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I think Glork is more likely scum than Prozac based on play alone. BUUUUT the people on the glork wagon make me :/

Unvote Vote prozac

for now.