Mini Normal 1133 - Mafia in Venice

[Erratus Apathos]

OMGUS

I'm not voting you because you're voting me, I'm voting you for using non-town logic. So it's not OMGUS.

Excellent use of sarcasm in place of an actual defense though, it's a good way to hide the fact that you don't have one.

Trying to use semantics to build an early game bandwagon?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Erratus Apathos

"Trying to use semantics" no
"build an early game bandwagon" yes

lol

Erratus, you are quite funny. hahaha

Look, ma! No content!

VOTE: penpen

Usually when people don't random vote they give some sort of reason. Not the case here.

Hey look at the scumscum trying to start a bandwagon with false-logic.

We've got two down! Easy-sauce.

Okay, then explain how NE is using false logic to say that penpen's post has no content.

Here are some standard questions I like to ask:
1) What is your time zone? This is good to know in case we have some oversees players and we're waiting for a post from them.
2) What is your mafia experience here and elsewhere? I like to know the experience levels from players, just in case there are any first timers mostly.
3) How often can we expect a post from you? Just for my personal reference, mostly.

1) some kinda American one. not that you could tell cause I'm erratic and sometimes I post at 5 am in the morning and then sometimes I post at 5 in the afternoon so basically don't expect me to post at a certain time
2) I guess a few dozen games? The last time I finished one was over two years ago, so I honestly can't remember.
3) I generally aim for once a day, but again I'm erratic and go over and under that a lot so don't count on it either.

How is EA being pro-town at all? He's trying to build a wagon off of semantics. Not something even a hair more likely for scum to do, but semantics. Last I checked, that was a pretty cute little scum trick.

Quote me arguing semantics then. Because I haven't.

ICE...why the bloody hell is EA town if all he did was copy-paste "I'm town!" a lot of times.

That's not all I did

FoS

for not paying attention

For having the best name? Hmm... yes... that's a very scummy thing to do...

FoS

for overexcited sarcasm

[Maemuki]

Okay, maybe I did exaggerate a little. But honestly, it's way too early in the game to have a town read.

...and besides, I wasn't asking YOU. Why did you answer in ICE's place?

[mozamis]

anyone else find EA's answers a bit vague? covering his tracks for later scum lurking?

UNVOTE VOTE ERRATUS APPOTUS

[mozamis]

SORRY SPELLING FAIL

UNVOTE VOTE ERRATUS APOTHOS

[mozamis]

LOL STILL WRONG HOPEFULLY THE MOD WILL LET ME OFF

Don't worry, as long as it is univocally recognizable I count it

[Erratus Apathos]

Okay, maybe I did exaggerate a little. But honestly, it's way too early in the game to have a town read.

...and besides, I wasn't asking YOU. Why did you answer in ICE's place?

It's never too early to have a town read. I have town reads on ICE and NE.

I didn't answer your question, I commented on it.

p-edit: yeah my answers to ICE's questions are vague. I don't post on a schedule, deal with it.

[mozamis]

I HAVE DEALT WITH IT. THATS WHY I'M VOTING YOU.

[Erratus Apathos]

YOU TOLD ICENINJA YOU WOULD POST A COUPLE TIMES A DAY. THIS IS YOUR EIGHTH POST IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS. DID YOU LIE TO COVER YOUR TRACKS FOR LATER SCUM LURKING?

Or did you just not have a good idea of how often you were actually going to post?

[Maemuki]

Well, I guess that was the end of the RVS everybody.

Shame that moz's case is awfully weak even for this point of the game, but it will have to do. By the way, EA, you mind telling me why you got a town vibe out of NE's posts? Because I can see the reasoning if you're talking about ICE if I really squint, but Evil...

[Erratus Apathos]

I like the way NE took initiative.

[penpen]

Well You're not exactly helping us get out of RVS, either you know.

And neither are you. Wait, no, scratch that.
UNVOTE: Exilon
VOTE: penpen

Well I'm doing a lot more than just random voting then going to a OMGUS vote.
How does that help town in anyway?

[penpen]

I like the way NE took initiative.

who cares about initiative when its bullshit.

As you can see here that agar brought this to light:

lol

Erratus, you are quite funny. hahaha

Look, ma! No content!

VOTE: penpen

Usually when people don't random vote they give some sort of reason. Not the case here.

Hey look at the scumscum trying to start a bandwagon with false-logic.

We've got two down! Easy-sauce.

[theplague42]

Ok wow lotta new stuff since yesterday. I'll try to catch up now but it may be sometime tomorrow before I can make a good post. Have a couple busy days, and then I should have more free time after that.

[theplague42]

Actually that was mostly just RVS fluff. Anyways...

1. EST
2. Completed two games, dead in two ongoing ones
3. Depends. My posting will vary a lot depending on how much free time I have. I'll try to get one a day, but no guarantees. Then again, sometimes I'll post 5-10 times, especially if I'm arguing with someone.

Vote: EA (erratus apathos)

for ultra-quick wagoning and spamming FoS's.

[Erratus Apathos]

Vote: EA (erratus apathos)

for ultra-quick wagoning

Uh... yeah.

Let's walk through what just happened here. I put the FIRST vote on penpen, and I put the FIRST vote on Exilon. Plaguey here somehow comes to the conclusion that this constitutes "ultra-quick wagoning", while ignoring all the people who are, y'know, ACTUALLY WAGONING. Then he puts the FIFTH vote on me, with no hint of reservation. Does this sound like someone who honestly believes that quick wagoning is scummy?

No. No it doesn't. It sounds like someone who is full of shit.

and spamming FoS's.

Bullshit! Two FoS's is obviously not spamming. Why are you distorting the facts so terribly?

Oh yeah. Because you're scum.

UNVOTE: Exilon
VOTE: theplague42

[Necessary Evil]

I like the way NE took initiative.

who cares about initiative when its bullshit.

As you can see here that agar brought this to light:

lol

Erratus, you are quite funny. hahaha

Look, ma! No content!

VOTE: penpen

Usually when people don't random vote they give some sort of reason. Not the case here.

Hey look at the scumscum trying to start a bandwagon with false-logic.

We've got two down! Easy-sauce.

AGar didn't explain the nature of the "false-logic" he spoke of, and neither have you.

[Fatso]

Eh, I'm not sure about this one, so:

Unvote: Erratus Apathos

But seriously, the whole "I'm town, I'm town, I'm town... etc. thing was really annoying and rather scummy.

[Ythan]

So Ythan, you're scum this time, yes?

No. I am never scum.

VOTE: Ythan

Because you made it to LYLO as scum claiming cop in a newbie game, I hate you so.

Of all the reasons to attract an rvs hate vote I was surprised that it was something like this.

By end of page one I am considering an Erratus vote.

[Ythan]

lol

Erratus, you are quite funny. hahaha

Uncomfortable with this response. I see some more discussion. I'm not concerned with the lack of a reason for no vote, I just don't like this. It's early enough for gut.

1) What is your time zone? This is good to know in case we have some oversees players and we're waiting for a post from them.
2) What is your mafia experience here and elsewhere? I like to know the experience levels from players, just in case there are any first timers mostly.
3) How often can we expect a post from you? Just for my personal reference, mostly.

1 EST.
2 Sufficient.
3 Hahaha.

Most of the random votes so far have been useless, save Erratus's. I don't like people who are voting for Erratus right now for being pro-town. That's mostly just AGar.

Vote AGar

.

For being pro-town?

Well You're not exactly helping us get out of RVS, either you know.

And neither are you. Wait, no, scratch that.
UNVOTE: Exilon
VOTE: penpen

A vote for something you're doing too?

[Ythan]

But seriously, the whole "I'm town, I'm town, I'm town... etc. thing was really annoying and rather scummy.

Explain. Not the annoying part.

[Erratus Apathos]

Well I'm doing a lot more than just random voting then going to a OMGUS vote.

No, you're not doing more than that. You're doing less than that.

I like the way NE took initiative.

who cares about initiative when its bullshit.

I know, that's why I'm not town-reading people who took bullshit initiative. NE is not one of those people.

As you can see here that agar brought this to light:

lol

Erratus, you are quite funny. hahaha

Look, ma! No content!

VOTE: penpen

Usually when people don't random vote they give some sort of reason. Not the case here.

Hey look at the scumscum trying to start a bandwagon with false-logic.

We've got two down! Easy-sauce.

Agar's post is completely worthless. Why the hell are you quoting it?

But seriously, the whole "I'm town, I'm town, I'm town... etc. thing was really annoying and rather scummy.

No it's not. Not scummy, I suppose I should clarify. Annoying, IDGAF.

Have you read all the new content yet? Do you have anything to say about it or are you just going to focus on the spam wall?

[Fatso]

No real opinion. I just voted for you because of the "I'm town" ordeal. Which, by the way, comes off as very scummy to me. Where I come from, scum use things like that all the time. It's sort of reverse psychology. Only scum would yell out "I'm town!" (generally), so scummy's use it to make people think "well only scum would do that, and scum know that, so even they wouldn't do that, so they must not be scum."
I just reread that, and I'm not sure if it made any sense, but I'm really tired, so I'll post it anyway.

[Erratus Apathos]

Only scum would yell out "I'm town!" (generally)

That's where you're wrong.

[ICEninja]

The repeated "I'm town!" statement is alignment neutral annoying/amusing, depending on what mood I'm in. Voting based off the most logical reasoning possible in order to get real discussion going helps town. Ergo, pro-town. Ergo, town read. The first 2 votes that Erratus made were done so with much better reasoning than all those silly random votes.

I don't feel like AGar is particularly scummy right now, however. He seemed to genuinely feel that Erratus was the scummiest player at the time of his vote, which would make his vote similarly pro-town. I also generally don't like to have votes up until I have a serious vote.

Unvote

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I feel like penpen's posts are empty and unhelpful.
Ythan asks good questions.
Coyote needs to post.
Exilion is definitely the active player who has contributed the least.
Maemuki, I didn't engage in RQS. I ask these questions every game, and I have presented reasoning as to why I asked each question. There is absolutely nothing random about them what-so-ever.

[ICEninja]

Also, I'd like to point out that Erratus never used semantics. His first vote was because someone claimed to believe someone was scum, and vote someone else. His second point was that Exilion didn't have a defense for the vote placed on him.