Mini 1199 - Plissken's Pit [GAME OVER]

[Internet Stranger]

Wow, you two are rabid!

Locke, thats a bunch of bullshit WiFOM youre trying to employ there.

Xanatos, Again, trying to boil down my accusations to one little snippet. I made my case, I spelled it out twice already. It has all sorts of glorious points, including actions made in your slot by your predecessor that you continue to ignore. I will not drop down to a simple game of semantics over a fucking wiki that no one but you reads anyways. Its mod speculation bullshit (which I have previously mentioned) that doesnt merit an argument about. Sky is dead, you got what you wanted in the end.

The point is that Xanatos and Locke wanted Sky dead NO MATTER WHAT, despite there being gobs of other scum around. They COULD have given Sky the benefit of the doubt and gone after anyone else, but they both chose to muddle the day and draw us to a no lynch instead because of a lack of consensus. THAT is the crime, not the petty Gunsmith bullshit that Xanatos uses as his only defense. Locke is also clearly cheerleading. Its butthurt caught scum strategy and they both need to hang. Xanatos first.

[yabbaguy]

Allow me to take this Q+ button for a spin as I point all this out:

I feel rather bad about having doubted the claim now.. although I do want to see the specifics of the JK role afterwards...

Will need to review with this information in mind I guess. :/

Wait. Why exactly are you voting me? o_0

Are you saying that my pointing out that standard Jailkeeper would not block a Gunsmith result as he claimed was wrong?

Just to be clear that your basis of suspecting me is that I looked at the wiki?

Sorry, I read that as "rarely asked outside an Open". Misread you, my apologies.

This is a lot of scum talk, in my experience. I don't have an explanation as to why each one is scummy, but this is what I've felt comes from scum more often than not.

• "Why exactly" is a phrase that usually eminates a guilty vibe, "why, umm, exactly are you accusing me?" The weirded-out face doesn't really match, I think he knows why he's being accused, it's not like it was sudden.
  
• Trying to laugh off accusations.
  
• Apologizing excessively.

[David Xanatos]

IS > I ignore actions by my predecessor because, having looked at them, I feel the only person who could explain them would be him. Sometimes there are viable reasons, frankly, I don't have the inclination to try to find those in this case.

In addition, your claim of "no matter what" is simply false. Locke actually stated that he'd willingly go towards a Peregrine lynch if consensus wouldn't favour what looked like a fakeclaim (to me) from Sky.

And also, your claim that it's "only me" that reads the wiki is frankly unneeded exaggeration. This is a Normal. From the definitions I was given by a member of the mini-Normal review board, a JK with Alien powers would be non-normal.. or at the very least touching the line.

Oh, and a final point to you. The three that brought the day to No-Lynch were you, Yabba and Swiftstrike. You say there were "gobs of other scum around".. why not vote for Peregrine, who you'd expressed a null read on (essentially, saying his tunneling on Rikana was too dodgy), rather than drawing the day to a no-lynch by trying to start a fresh wagon on me?

Yabba > 1: 'Tis the way I question things. I'm an engineer in training.. "Why exactly" is almost a mantra..
2: It's absurd to claim that taking the Wiki definition in a Normal game is somehow scummy or negative. As I've said, the definition of Normal would make a role like that Alien..
3: I misread what you had said, and I apologised for it. I fail to see how noting my error is somehow a scummy thing to do.

[SnakePlissken]

DAY 4 - Votecount I

SomeRandomGuy
Internet Stranger
Yabbaguy
PeregrineV

David Xanatos - L-4

(Internet Stranger)
Rikana
Swiftstrike
Locke Lamora

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting - Everyone else.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Right so i've read up to this point. I don't understand the pushing for Sky to be lynched last day phase, there surely would have been better ways of trying to prove or disprove the claim than going ahead and lynching sky at that point - there was no counter claim, nothing to suggest we should regard Sky as a liar. Yes her actions in regards to Jam were a little suspect and yes the role may or may not have been a completely normal but isn't it 2 variations allowed per game or something? it's not exactly a massive difference in the role anyway.

I fancy either David or Locke for scum at the moment but in my eyes - Not both, it's a very risky play to have put both onto a lynch of a gunsmith, especially if there are 3 scum as we'd be in LYLO now (if scum then took out a town last night) and they wouldn't have gotten the victory automatically and without someone to push the blame onto because the 2 main people on the lynch would have been both scum they'd have lost someone for sure. One of them scum? Probably. Both? Unlikely.

The issue is i can't see any other partnerships at the moment, david and Locke just seem too likely but in all of the wrong ways. I'm going to ISO both (and the people they replaced) plus do a bit of general reading. The Malp wagon is interesting, i'm going to look again at the wagon on me as whilst i can't expect anyone else to take it as 100% I atleast can and it was practically a lynch and I feel there was likely scum on it.

Also a quick note to all:

Don't place more than 1 vote on any one person at a time - if this is MYLO and we do have 3 scum, whilst unlikely it could lead to a hammer that we don't want, so no one voting David for now at least please.

[PeregrineV]

Yesterday was No Lynch, and while looking over the thread and vote counts, I realized there was one for the end of day3. So I looked up the votes and am posting this for our use.

End of Day 3 - Unofficial Vote Count IV

1. SomeRandomGuy
2. Internet Stranger
3. yabbaguy
4. PeregrineV L-3 (Rikana, Sky)
5. David Xanatos L-2 - (Internet Stranger, yabbaguy, Swiftstrike)
6. Rikana
8. Swiftstrike
10. Locke Lamora
13. Sky L-2 (Locke Lamora, PeregrineV, David Xanatos)

Not Voting SomeRandomGuy

I have some questions, but they will be in a separate post.

[SnakePlissken]

Ant to the Max replaces Rikana. Welcome him. He won't be online till later today however so please be patient.

[Internet Stranger]

I will lose A LOT of faith in the game of mafia if obvious scum David isn't lynched today. Anyone defending him is going to clearly be the third scumbuddy behind Locke.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Good morning.
Just waking up and starting too read now.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Just finished the first day. I am replacing Rikana right? Hmm this kinda sucks.

Hope I can find that one thing I am looking for in D2 *grins*

Also, we are treating this game as MyLo right?

[Ant_to_the_max]

Start of D3 reached.

Why is IS and Yabba still alive? (This is a VERY serious question)
Hmmmm

[Internet Stranger]

Yea yea, keep reading. It gets better. Just wait until David shows up and radiates the beacon of scumminess.

[David Xanatos]

For picking up on an inconsistency in role function?

Yes, because being wrong about a role in a Normal setup being non-Normal makes me scum. Good for you. You know, you're either Scum tunneling on an easy target, or you're an idiot. I'm inclined to the former.

I do appreciate the attention though. <3

[Ant_to_the_max]

How the fuck is he town.

This shitty game.

Who the hell is this guy? (did anyone else see the possible slip where he might have used his username when quoting himself?)
I want you to give this guy crap if you see him later.

Every Mafioso has a gun I'd imagine, I've never heard of a Gunless Mafia or whatever you'd call it, and it doesn't sound Normal.

Little things like this make me want you dead...so much -___-;

BeautyUndead was scum on Page 2 of this game.
Early on, I saw connections between SRG, IS, and possibly yabba. (Mid day 3 when I am putting it here.)

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor.

Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors)

, Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor.

It seems like some people didn't actually read the wiki. Bolded the part you need to read for you.
IS is NOT 100% town, but I am willing to risk it at this point and consider him town.

On page 24 now.

[yabbaguy]

Little things like this make me want you dead...so much -___-;

Why?

[yabbaguy]

And IS is 100% Town because he has no gun. Mafia essentially ALWAYS have a gun as your bolded excerpt pointed out.

You're making absolutely not one iota of sense right now, and that is frightening. The one thing that makes me most scared and angry is the [possibility, in this case] of getting accused over absolute nonsense.

Why do you hate your predecessor Rikana?

[Ant_to_the_max]

So we are saying that there is a possibility that the Malp lynch was completely town-based? Thats insanity.

It is very possible

Why?

Paranoia
Possibly protecting possible scum buddies by throwing out the possibility of something.

as for the other post of yours
A Mafia Doc does not have a gun. Just throwing that out there.
I'll start making sense in a bit

Also from the wiki

This version of Jailkeeper,

as well as its variant below

, is considered

Normal

on mafiascum.net.

[David Xanatos]

And the variant is called...

Wait for it...

ALIEN.

Jailkeeper =/= Alien =/= Jailkeeper.

That'd be like calling a Gunsmith a Cop.

[Ant_to_the_max]

And

Wait for it...

I don't really care

I'm not lynching David unless there's absolutely no other choice. I would much rather lynch Peregrine if we're not lynching Sky.

Was here and able to give the town a lynch but didn't?
Scum much?

Alright IS, I think I am ready to lynch Locke and David. More so Locke first though...

But before we do, I need everyone to answer this question.

If <insert your top scum pick> is scum, who is their partners? If they flip town, who is the real scum?

[Internet Stranger]

David first, then Locke. Its the best way to catch scum that don't have the balls to bus David.

I'm still calling the scum from scummiest to least : david, locke, and then one of yabba oe swiftstrike..

[David Xanatos]

And when I flip town? We should really set up a forfeit for this, to encourage IS to engage the grey matter once in a while.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Is that a IS is dumb town or scum? I can't tell.
Or have you not made up your mind yet?

So if you are town, who are the scum?

[David Xanatos]

Yabba, Peregrine, Swift. Will write up summaries in the morning. Headache and 2:40am.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Even if there is the small posibility of IS being scum he is the closest we have to being confirmed town, i've had real suspicion of him in the past but that takes a complete back burner now. It would be a mistake akin to the almost lynching of Sky if we were to focus on him.

David you mentioned a few posts back:

You know, you're either Scum tunneling on an easy target, or you're an idiot. I'm inclined to the former.

and now you're not mentioning him in your top 3 suspects... which is it?

I was out late last night and at a wedding reception tonight so i'm going to have to do those iso's tomorrow as i didn't get chance yet.

[David Xanatos]

Since you caught me seconds before I turned the laptop off, I'll answer.

I missed the apparent no-gun result on him, so the likelyhood is, he's an idiot. Therefore, not on my scumreads.