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Post #1075 (ISO ) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:18 pm
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by Isis » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:18 pm
This looks roughly balanced to me. Cupid's role in the setup is exciting because in a closed setup such a role would be more likely to be used for consensus eliminations but in this setup the dead's potential disagreement with the consensus of the living adds some pizazz. The same is true of the vig, too, I guess.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #1076 (ISO ) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:48 am
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by Jingle » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:48 am
Yeah, my brain was being weird about the numbers. The thing that I'm actually concerned about is still a viable concern though. Once scum is down to one member, it's almost impossible for them to come back.
It doesn't make it unviable, necessarily, but the setup very much supports landslide victories in one direction or the other.
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Post #1077 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:54 pm
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by Sirius9121 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:54 pm
Mountainous Vengeful
The night death flips AFTER the vote flip.
if a Vengeful Townie gets venged they also get to venge
probably worst idea but i want opinions
either 7/3 or (5/2)?
余命数か月ばかりの恋に 点滴で扶養する患者達
被害者の甘い期待を弔い 悔悟の機会を躊躇うドクター
所以など行方知らず 未知の病巣に臥す患者達
発熱が死因 然れば早期に 躊躇すべきだったと知る放火犯
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Post #1078 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:23 pm
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by Gypyx » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:23 pm
hmm...
feels townsided
an interesting consequence is that MiLo isn't actually risking town to lose
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Post #1079 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:33 pm
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by Sirius9121 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:33 pm
In post 1078 , Gypyx wrote: hmm...
feels townsided
an interesting consequence is that MiLo isn't actually risking town to lose
how would u suggest balanc
余命数か月ばかりの恋に 点滴で扶養する患者達
被害者の甘い期待を弔い 悔悟の機会を躊躇うドクター
所以など行方知らず 未知の病巣に臥す患者達
発熱が死因 然れば早期に 躊躇すべきだったと知る放火犯
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Post #1080 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:37 pm
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by Gypyx » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:37 pm
well, this feels like double day kinda actually
and i checked the ratio town / scum for this setup (13:3) so i'd advise a few more town?
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Post #1081 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:54 pm
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by Sirius9121 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:54 pm
feels townsided so add town
logic
余命数か月ばかりの恋に 点滴で扶養する患者達
被害者の甘い期待を弔い 悔悟の機会を躊躇うドクター
所以など行方知らず 未知の病巣に臥す患者達
発熱が死因 然れば早期に 躊躇すべきだったと知る放火犯
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Post #1082 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:03 pm
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by Gypyx » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:03 pm
my initial gut was wrong
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Post #1083 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:28 pm
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by Isis » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:28 pm
Could you clean up the setup wording? I'm not sure how the setup works.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #1084 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:38 pm
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by Gypyx » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:38 pm
basically, normal vengeful but vengekilled town get a vengekill
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Post #1085 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:49 pm
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by Cook » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:49 pm
make one townie an death vanilla popcorn and it might work
(if eliminated for any reason designates a list of {remaining scum+1}) players to bequeath their role to
if the top name is scum, go to the next highest
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Post #1086 (ISO ) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:05 pm
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by Sirius9121 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:05 pm
In post 1083 , Isis wrote: Could you clean up the setup wording? I'm not sure how the setup works.
basically the one who gets lynched is scum, the day ends and night kill is announced.
lynched is town, town gets a vengeful.
vengeful player is town, continue venging until hit scum
when hit scum, day ends
余命数か月ばかりの恋に 点滴で扶養する患者達
被害者の甘い期待を弔い 悔悟の機会を躊躇うドクター
所以など行方知らず 未知の病巣に臥す患者達
発熱が死因 然れば早期に 躊躇すべきだったと知る放火犯
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Post #1087 (ISO ) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:40 pm
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by Sirius9121 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:40 pm
余命数か月ばかりの恋に 点滴で扶養する患者達
被害者の甘い期待を弔い 悔悟の機会を躊躇うドクター
所以など行方知らず 未知の病巣に臥す患者達
発熱が死因 然れば早期に 躊躇すべきだったと知る放火犯
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Post #1088 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:12 am
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by Kerset » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:12 am
It's really hard to summon 38 players. Especially without something appealing. :/
giv me pagetop :(
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Post #1089 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:42 am
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by Jingle » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:42 am
Additionally, town is def going to use their PRs early and that game is going to be a mountainous for the vast majority of it. It would probably be a viable chat or F2F setup if you had a large dedicated group and a good way of tracking votes though.
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Post #1090 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:22 am
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by Cook » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:22 am
Mostly agree with jingle here, no way that everyone isn't going to use their 1-shots early on
If you can pull together 38 people to play mafia, there's a lot of things you could do, too.
I might be able to make this work, though.
We'll see.
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Post #1091 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:26 am
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by Gypyx » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:26 am
tbh, the kind of peoples that would play 30+ players game probably isn't the kind that would wanna play a quasi-mountaineous
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Post #1092 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:36 am
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by Jingle » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:36 am
Don't knock F2F giant mountainous setups, Gypyx. That's how I first started playing mafia and they're a ton of fun.
On another glance at the setup it's broken by massclaim, btw.
Massclaiming basically forces scum to commit to PR pools and every scum elimination creates conftown.
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Post #1093 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:37 am
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by Gypyx » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:37 am
ah well, if it really is then i'll trust your call
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Post #1094 (ISO ) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:43 am
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by Jingle » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:43 am
Specifically in formats when dayphases last like 10 minutes. It's low commitment and leads to funny resolutions.
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Post #1096 (ISO ) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:20 am
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by Jingle » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:20 am
Babysitter probably sits on alien most of the game.
Does killing the alien trigger the babysitter’s kill?
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Post #1097 (ISO ) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:34 am
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by lendunistus » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:34 am
In post 1096 , Jingle wrote: Babysitter probably sits on alien most of the game.
Does killing the alien trigger the babysitter’s kill?
haven't really outlined that yet but i'd say no
making the alien macho is an idea but then this would probably go into scum-sided territory and make this even more swingy
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Post #1098 (ISO ) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:02 am
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by Gypyx » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:02 am
hey, wanted to run that sometime soon in the Micro Queue so does that feel balanced to y'all? (yeah this is probably a pretty different way to play the game, but imo it's still mafia, kinda, idk i like the original game and wanted to see how it would be like there)
Mindnight : forum edition 4 Agents
1 Admin
2 hackers
1 scriptie
The Admin is aware of who are the members of the hacker team, but not what are their roles (pls wait before saying this is outrageous you'll see)
The hackers have a PT in which they may talk at any time, they don't know who's the scriptie and he doesn't know who they are
instead of voting to execute peoples, the players take turn suggesting and voting for a team to send for "node maintenances", players propose teams in order of the playerlist, they may skip their turns, and upon thee 5th refused node team, the hackers immediatly win
once a node team has been approved by majority, the game enters a 24h "night" phase where all of the members of the node team must choose to either it, or it, a single hack makes the node mission fail
There are 5 nodes in total, having the following sizes in that order :
1st node : 2 players 2nd : 3 players 3rd : 4 players 4th : 3 players 5th : 4 players
the first team to gain control of 3 nodes wins, if the agents win, the hackers get one last chance, they are all revealed to each other, and may try to nuke one player, if the nuked player is the Admin, victory goes to the hackers instead
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Post #1099 (ISO ) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:22 am
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by Cook » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:22 am
I'll comod this.
"Five rejected node teams" is a bit nebulous. I propose the following:
voting Instead of voting to execute, a hammer is passed around the table, starting from the first person in the player list. The player with the hammer may propose a node team of a varying size, depending on the node (see below.) You may also skip.
After they have proposed a node team, all players may vote for or against the node team. The proposer also votes for the team. If we reach a simple majority in favor, the node team is accepted, and those players will begin node maintenance, and the hammer passes to the next player.
If a proposal is skipped or majority is not reached, the hammer passes to the next player in line, who must propose a node team or skip.
If five node teams are rejected in a row (without a success) it's a Hackers win.
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