Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)


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Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:58 am

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The sun shone brightly upon the Police Headquarters. And man, were they thankful for it.

Today was the 50th anniversary of the place, having been the headquarters for the town's police corps. for almost as long (they "officially" moved in on opening day, but they couldn't enter immediately due some unforeseen problems. The actual entry to the place happened 3 years later). And they were determined to celebrate

Everyone in the town got invitations. Everyone was invited. And who wouldn't come? The headquarters was the center of the town; it was their pride and joy, along with their policemen, and they all were happy to celebrate a momentous accomplishment together.

However, not everyone was so cordially invited...



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50th Anniversary party

The partying went on through most of the day and night, with all the families and everyone enjoying the day to their heart's content. They held contests of all kinds (and some people swore they saw people chug more beer than anyone thought they'd see in their lives), they danced, they sang, they dined on the lavish buffet prepared by the greatest chefs in the city, they ate the most delicious cake from the city's best cakemakers and decorators, and they just thoroughly enjoyed every single moment of it.

When the chief of police finally came to the podium near the stage area to talk, it took him quite a while to calm the crowd long enough to actually say anything. He afforded himself small chuckles as he waited for the waves of sound to finally subside.

"Ladies and gentlemen!" He begins. "It is a momentous day, for me, for my men, and for this town. For those of us who grew up fifty years ago, and those of us who are growing up now." He waves his hand in a circle, gesturing around the building. "Tonight, we celebrate the 50th year of this wondrous building, one that has housed one of the finest police corps I've ever seen!"

The last line was met with uproarous cheers, mostly from the chief's own men, who all saluted him as he gave them a nod.

"This building is the pinnacle of our town, our testament to who we are and what we are. A bulding that will stand for years to come!" Another roar of cheers and applause.

"I cannot overstate how proud I am to stand up here tonight to acknowledge this feat," he shakes his head, wiping a tear out of his eye and giving a small chuckle. "Nor did I imagine I would be the one standing here today. Remember that incident in the North Side, Stan? Nearly bit off more than I could chew!" This earned some laughter, with the aforementioned Stan raising a glass-holding hand and shouting, "I remember that!"

"It has been a pleasure to spend this night with you all," he begins to finish. "And it's been a pleasure to be here. God bless you all!"

As he steps down from the podium, another thundering round of applause rises in his place, one that certainly would've woken up everyone in the town if they hadn't been awake and crowded around the building.

And so they partyed through the night, young to old, the chief himself to the stay-at-hom mom. Many would assure you that they had a grand old time.




The night after - Police Headquarters

After the building finally got cleaned up from the partying from the other day and everyone went home, the chief called in some of his trusted friends from out of town to enjoy a private party with just him and the boys, which they glady accepted.

They all arrived at various times in the night, from various parts of the city. Each was meet at the front doors with open arms and ready smiles, eager to begin their own personal anniversary party.

But, little did they know that among his friends there was darkness, betrayers of his trust and friendship.

And in the days to come, the bonds of trust between them all was about to be tested.



Spoiler: On Duty
1. ActionDan
2. DeltaWave
3. IceGuy
4. iStark
5. Kondi2424
6. Lopsy
7. Luckyjt
8. Malthusis
9. Rylai Crestfall
10. vijay2vasandani
11.
Mist Beauty
BBmolla
12.
Otto von Clark
Korlash
13. Glass


Spoiler: Casualties
None yet!


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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:02 am

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The night after - Police Headquarters

After the building finally got cleaned up from the partying from the other day and everyone went home, the chief called in some of his trusted friends from out of town to enjoy a private party with just him and the boys, which they glady accepted.

They all arrived at various times in the night, from various parts of the city. Each was meet at the front doors with open arms and ready smiles, eager to begin their own personal anniversary party.

But, little did they know that among his friends there was darkness, betrayers of his trust and friendship.

And in the days to come, the bonds of trust between them all was about to be tested.


Near the end of the party, the police chief decided to excuse himself for a moment along with one of the friends he invited to have some private words and a sip of his best wine.

They quietly entered a private room for them to just sit and enjoy the wine and talk, reminiscing of all the things they had gone through over the years, their lives, that kind of thing.

"You know," his friend said after ahile. "It's been awhile since I've heard anything about things like Mafia. Have you?"

The chief chuckles. "Heh. There aren't very many groups that operate alongside the old italian imagery of the mafia nowadays, or at least they don't go by that name anymore. It's just gangs and thugs." He leans back. "But, I suppose I do partially miss those days. Used to have to step a lot more lively than you do nowadays."

His friend smiles wanly, taking a sip of his wine before leaning forward. "What if...What if they came here again? What would you do?"

"I would fight back," the chief chuckles slightly, though a hint of uncertainity is in his voice. "What's with you, friend? What's with this talk?"

The friend glances to the door before moving to sit next to the chief. "I've heard rumors. Here and around. There are moves being made."

The chief looks the man directly in his eyes. "There have been no such rumors here in this town. None have said as such to me nor my men."

"I believe they are keeping this close to their heart," the firend adjusts himself a little. "Some may even be the mafia themselves. But think! You and I know that things have slowed down, and we need...well, a little pick-me-up."

The chief was no longer smiling. In fact, his face was full of worry as he looked at his old friend. "...What are you saying?"

The friend sighs a little before standing up. He slowly walks around the table, draining the rest of his wine and setting it on the table before he pauses back at his own chair, his face and part of his body hidden by shadows and his own shilouette.

"Old friend..." the chief asks again.

"..." his friend turns back to face him, producing a silenced gun and pointing it at the chief. Though the latter makes no movement, the shock in his face is evident.

"...Why...?" he whispers, looking as if he aged a milennium with just that one question.

"It's the way things must go, my firend," the other says, genuine sadness in his body. "I only regret that it must begin with you."

There is a pop, unheard by the partyers outside, and then a moment of silence. The chief looks down, then back up at his friend as a rivulet of blood slowly comes out of his mouth. He tries to lift a hand, but finds it dead at his side as he slowly slumps down, looking aged, defeated, lost.

Dead.

The traitorous friend puts his gun back in the folds of his cloak and tips his hat to the old chief, flicking away a tear of sadness.

"I wish it wasn't you, old friend," he whispers before he leaves, closing the door behind him and locking it.

Coming back out the party, a few notice him come out and he smiles to them as they approach.

"Where's the chief? Some ask.

"He's just taking a moment to relieve himself, is all," he says. "I've already spoken to him, and I've enjoyed this party thoroughly. I hope you all will, too."

Some of them look a little confused by his words, but they all grin stupidly as the drink and the party wash over them again. Only three others don't grin as happily just yet. The old friend finds them all through eye contact, and they all give imperceptible nods of their heads.

"Enjoy it alll," he says as he makes his way through them and towards the exit of the center itself.

The party continued on unabated and without the chief's prescence. When he didn't return after a few minutes, they just assumed that the wine or whatever got to him finally and he just went to lay down, just like they did an hour later (if sloppily).



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Police Headquarters - 3 hours before the place opens

Around 12 of the friends and police corp slowly awake with moans and groans, feeling the beginnings of hangovers coming over them. However, as they begin to regain their wits among pulsing headaches, they all begin to realize that since the chief's oldest friend had left, they had never seen the chief himself.

Suddenly worried, they searched the area around the party until they found a door that was locked. Getting a battering ram, they slam the door open after a couple thrusts to find the chief slumped over on his chair, slowly slipping down the chair as his body makes a slow descent to the floor.

And even through their muddied minds, they know a couple things were beyond doubt now: His oldest friend betrayed him.

There were traitorous seeds among them.

And they couldn't get back on track until it was dealt with.

Those who didn't have bad hangovers quickly went to close the headquarters, much to the dismay of some of the early comers to the place. They knew that this move would spread through the town like a wildfire, but they couldn't think of any other way to keep themselves and the town isolated from each other.

It'd just have to do until this was finally over.

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Votecount 1.0:

Not Voting: Mist Beauty, Glass, vijay2vasandani, DeltaWave, Luckyjt, Lopsy, Rylai Crestfall, ActionDan, Otto von Clark, kondi2424, IceGuy, Malthusis, iStark

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:04 am

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Link to Tierce's cache of the thread.

Spoiler: On Duty
1. ActionDan
2.
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RainbowDash
4. iStark
6. Lopsy
7. Luckyjt
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Rylai Crestfall
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Mist Beauty
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Otto von Clark
Korlash
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Om of the Nom


Spoiler: Casualties
Malthusis,
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, was lynched Day 1
vijay2vasandani,
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, was killed Night 1
IceGuy,
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, was lynched Day 2
Amrun,
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, was killed Night 2
RBAN28,
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, was lynched day 3
Korlash,
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, was killed night 3
iStark,
Mafia Tracker
, was lynched day 4
Om of the Nom,
Town Sane Cop
, was killed Night 4
MagnaofIllusion,
Mafia Rolecop
, was lynched Day 5


Spoiler: Alive to tell the tale
Luckyjt, ActionDan, and Feirei,
Vanilla Townies

Rainbowdash--
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Notable Events:

Opening flavor | N0 flavor, day start, and VC 1.00 | VC 1.1 | Mist Beauty and Otto von Clark are replaced | Kondi, ActionDan, Lopsy, and luckyjt are prodded | BBmolla replaces Mist Beauty, and ActionDan is replaced | iStark is replaced | ActionDan stays in, DeltaWave and Malthusis are prodded, and VC 1.2 | iStark stays in | IceGuy and Kondi are prodded | Korlash replaces Otto von Clark | Luckyjt and Rylai Crestfall are prodded | BBmolla is prodded | DeltaWave is prodded | VC 1.3 | VC 1.4, and Malthusis is replaced | Malthusis stays in while Kondi is replaced | CSL replaces Rylai Crestfall | VC 1.5 | VC 1.6 | Om of the Nom replaces Glass | VC 1.7 | VC 1.8 | Can't seem to update the OP for some reason; moved playerlist to 3rd post | VC 1.9 | RainbowDash replaces DeltaWave | VC 2.0 | VC 2.1 and CSL is replaced | VC 2.2 | VC 2.3 and some mid-day flavor | VC 2.4 | VC 2.5



Vanilla Townie Role PM wrote:

Hello!

This small afterparty among the police force has become overrun by the mafia. However, they haven't overrun your spirit.

Every day you have one of the most powerful abilities: Your ability to vote. Even if you may only have one vote to use each day, your vote--and your opinion--will help swing the town to outing the imposters.

You know that there are dependable people at the party with special abilities to keep you informed so that you can place your vote on the right people.

You win when all mafia are dead.

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:14 am

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VOTE: DeltaWave
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:31 am

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Just cam in to say hi, need to reread the remnants of the thread.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:48 am

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Mod:A quick question: I've downloaded and extracted the files for the game you gave, but how do I read them?
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:59 am

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Woot! I submitted this as the crash was happening. I realized something was wrong when it took so long to submit, so I copy-pasted it into notepad.

UNVOTE:

Vijay, your last post sounded incredibly genuine, sincere, and townie. It also borders on AtE, but it's the kind of masterful AtE that I'm weak to. I'm going to believe you. I still think your attacks on Lucky were based off of newby mistakes, not scummy ones.

Do me a favor and believe me when I say that Rylai is not scum this game.

The rylai wagon is made up of people seemingly voting Rylai for "pressure," not for being scummy. Also feels like Kondi and Delta are prospecting the wagon, Kondi more-so with some dumb insincere "reaction test."

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3870890#p3870890]post 367[/url], Glass wrote:
action wrote:
I am not impressed with Glass's play not least for telegraphing an attack on Rylai.

You sir, are mistaken. I do not even own a telegraph.

Your case on vijay = beating a dead horse. It's all been said before. No need to tread over the same ground multiple times. Is there anything about vijay you find scummy besides the reasoning for his fakehammer?


Beating a dead horse? The only other two people who have had similar complaints are Rylai and yourself. I'm not counting Otto since he has a different theory entirely. And let me ask you Glass,
do I need to find anything else about Vijay that's scummy?
Because you certainly didn't when you voted him.

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3857434#p3857434]post 217[/url], Glass wrote:Otto is being crazy for thinking that vijay was actually trying to hammer, but his vote is in the right spot regardless.
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I probably should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to clear kondi as town. I was just encouraged by the success of the fake hammer.

I do not buy it for a second. "Hey, this gambit worked in clearing someone as town in another game, so instead of using it to try and clear someone I am going to use it to try and make scum attack me." And it is bs that you think that scum are going to miss the gambit and attack you for it because if scum didn't notice it was a fakehammer neither would town. In fact, scum is more likely to notice the fakehammer. And in that case town would also attack you for it.

VOTE: vijay
L-2

istark is still scum. Asking random questions without reasoning is him trying to look like he is scumhunting without actually doing anything. But he can be lynched tomorrow.

I am also getting a gut scumread from dan, but I don't have anything on him except for a few lame attacks on vijay.

@DW
Is kondi scum?

iceguy wrote:ISO me and find out.

Try to policy lynch kondi followed by tons of nothing followed by attacking delta for not producing any content. What. Regardless, ice is prob-town.


That thought process should be no less valid now then it was then, yet you have abandoned your vijay read with no explanation to go after Rylai, the person who questioned Vijay using this line of reasoning in the first place, one that you had hitherto agreed with. Similarly, I can't reconcile how you are ok with Otto since "his vote is in the right place" but are not willing to reach out and do the same for Rylai.

Furthermore, your Iso itself reveals that your stances are very non-commital. All the questions you have asked don't really lead to anything besides enabling chatter that's easy for you to respond to.

VOTE: Glass

As of now, who do you think is scum?



VOTE: Glass

Lospy, Rylai, and I think Malthusis are town. Lucky I *thought* was town but needs input. Vijay I hope is town.

I never liked Kondi or Delta.

That about sums up my feelings.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:41 am

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VOTE: IceGuy

Working off memory, I believe IceGuy's DW vote was based on his miller claim. Still wary about Rylai, want him to post before making a decision.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:44 pm

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@Void
Cached pages dont seem to work for me, anyone else having this issue?


Im pretty sure that rylai was scum though
VOTE: rylai

actiondan wrote:
Beating a dead horse? The only other two people who have had similar complaints are Rylai and yourself. I'm not counting Otto since he has a different theory entirely. And let me ask you Glass, do I need to find anything else about Vijay that's scummy? Because you certainly didn't when you voted him.

We had talked about vijay potentially faking the gambit for pages, you come out with a wall saying what has already been said. This is not town, this is you pretending to do something. It has nothing to do with the fact that you need more.

actiondan wrote:
That thought process should be no less valid now then it was then, yet you have abandoned your vijay read with no explanation to go after Rylai, the person who questioned Vijay using this line of reasoning in the first place, one that you had hitherto agreed with. Similarly, I can't reconcile how you are ok with Otto since "his vote is in the right place" but are not willing to reach out and do the same for Rylai.

I need to get the cached pages up before i respond to this, but I am pretty sure you are full of shit.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:46 pm

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Oh, and Ill be staying.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:32 pm

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VOTE: Delta
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He's saying your an idiot redff
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Also, kondi may not be scum anymore. I'll check with my die.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:10 pm

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...Oh, fuck, you're right. Damn pages don't work. /Fail

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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:41 pm

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VOTE: vijay
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:15 pm

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In post 12, Rylai Crestfall wrote:VOTE: vijay
Can't really do much with the pages failing

this kid. I'm pretty sure this was why I was suspicious of him. Still IG looks good atm.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:05 pm

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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:08 pm

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And here you go.


Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia - recovered file


It is a .rar file, so you'll have to download and unpack it (with 7-zip or similar). Keep the folder struture as it is, otherwise the style and images won't work.

Unfortunately, Page 1 could not be recovered; otherwise, all the posts till post #382 are present.

Please let me know if there are any errors or you have trouble downloading/opening it.

Good luck!
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:04 am

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Cheers Tierce :D

@ Rylai: there goes your excuse.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:23 am

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Vote Kondi


For reasons stated before the crash. He is still the most suspicious in my eyes.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:46 am

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Vote Rylai


The download's good to read now. I'll check it out a bit more and summarize the case against Rylai for the new thread.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:43 pm

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Lopsy wrote:Why? Because it applies to every player on the playerlist.


Every player on playlist doesn't claim miller and there are ways to confirm them without lynchign.
He hasn't done anything to indicate he is town to me either so, better safe then sorry.

VOTE: DeltaWave

Continuing where we left.

@Mod: Unfortunately I've to go V/LA for 2 days, sorry but RL comes first.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:34 am

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Still reading my way through the game, but istark...

istark wrote:
Every player on playlist doesn't claim miller and there are ways to confirm them without lynchign.
He hasn't done anything to indicate he is town to me either so, better safe then sorry.

No, just no. The miller claim itself indicates that he is very likely town. What has everyone else done to indicate they are town? You shouldnt be relying on night actions anyways because if there are lots of cops there are definitely lots of crazy/insane/other types of cops.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:52 am

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In post 20, Glass wrote:The miller claim itself indicates that he is very likely town.


Why?

You shouldnt be relying on night actions anyways because if there are lots of cops there are definitely lots of crazy/insane/other types of cops.


Good point.

What would y'all think about everyone investigating the same person tonight and claiming the results the next day?
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:44 pm

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iceguy wrote:
Why?

Because I find it very likely that there is a miller in this sort of setup.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:01 pm

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I don't mind the second point in IG's #21.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:33 pm

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Ya, I would volunteer to be the one investigated as well. Not sure how everyone else would feel about it though
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