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[Political Clout]

scooby there are 3 scum and 4 town so I'm a bit susp of 348

Political Clout replaced Naglfar (I'm town)
andrew94
iStark replaced bristep123 (bristep is town)
Psyche replaced lane0168 (psyche and lane read town)
Vincent2128
scooby
Mindgamer

so fypov you're saying you're town and andrew is VI town? leaving istark, mindgamer, and vincent as mafia? is that correct?

[Psyche]

Where the heck is Vincent? Preview edit: Sigh. Preview edit: Clout. Unvote, please. Preview edit: everyone, unvote please.

Vincent, iStark, Mindgamer. There is our scum. If I'm wrong about any of these, andrew's the only one who can fill the slot.

iStark's bad play:

that makes sense for me

a scum would be more wary of his fake reads on people

since istark attacked a player he called town before, this probablyu means he is sincerely attakcing people for their acts,l rather than fabricateing readsss

I was Planning on calling istark out tomorrow for being inconsistent, both here and in his reasons for finding me scummy. First he said that my post seemed 'forced'. When asked to explain, instead he presented a whole new reason to find me scummy. Thus: Red flag — read fabrication.

But no one's interested atm. Tomorrow, we'll investigate this all further.

This quote sums it up well — the quoted portion (though scooby took it as a towntell) and the part after it, too. Add iStark's vote to the mix and you have a strong case.

His reason for announcing suspicion of me was essentially a lie. First he said that my post seemed "forced". But when pressured to explain that, he instead said that I was scummy for "calling [Hoko's attack] bull & putting everyone in that scum team who agreed to him."

But this could just be a general pattern of suboptimal play, as scooby argues. Next, mindgamer.

[Metabot]

*He died as he lived. Failing at Epicmafia.

Bah

[Psyche]

I have to get going but I'm making this quick post to say I agree, a quickwagon before the second kill is submitted seems like the way to go. Vincent is likely scum, and if he is, I see some very nice connections to him in yesterday's voting behaviour.

Vote: Vincent2128

Mindgamer needs to go into great detail explaining this post. Connections, personal reasons for thinking him scummy, it all.

Other than that, though...
The rest of his play is astoundingly null. I could've sworn there was more. Could someone remind me?

Vincent and iStark have preference for now, but we have all Day. I'm interested in whomever replaces him. I'm not interested in moving toward a lynch for a while.

[Political Clout]

why unvote? he replaced out let's save mod some time. you agree he's scum right? besides I think the other person voting him is scum so it's unlikely mafia will quick lynch him.

*does it anyway*

bwahahahahahahahah

Unvote: vincent

[Psyche]

Oh who am I kidding? I want Vincent dead today. Nothing's changing my read on him.

vote Vincent

[Psyche]

If Vincent were town, the third scum would've already quickwagoned. Guys, we have scum.

[iStark]

My reasons for announcing suspicions of you were same as now, that post looked forced to me.
I called you scummy for calling Hoko's case BS in reply to you calling me scummy for giving credit to hoko's case.
This is getting unusually stupid.

Comment on what seems to have happened here.
Day shot killer likely timed his kill to save Vincent before lynch and frame people who voted later.
I'm at lose of words as to why Meta was killed since if I was Day shot killer I would have killed Clout.
I'm trying to ISO Meta but nothing jumped out except this
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3970483

So, I'm willing to bet my money that either day shot killer took this chance to frame clout or to save vincent.
I see second on more likely atm

Pre-edit:
Clout, explain your unvote post. I'm confused about it -_-

[Psyche]

/thinks.

unvote

No...that's incorrect.

Osrry, let me think.

[Political Clout]

istark psyche asked me too.

I'm down for the lynch still

VOTE: VINCENT

[Political Clout]

but psyches unvote is much more interesting than mine psyche why the unvote?

[iStark]

@Clout:No one asked you for anything except explanation for unvote.

@Psych: I second clouts question.

[Psyche]

Preview post: I'm just thinking, guys, gimme a second. I'll probably end up revoting.

I don't think Clout's vote is valid as it is.

[iStark]

It's not he just messing around.

[Psyche]

If Vincent is scum, nothing makes sense. Or, my list would not make sense. The quickwagon scenario only make sense if its intention is to kill town. Mindgamer's and Vincent's alliances must either be different, or both are town. They can't both be scum.

So Vincent got put at L-1 and the hammer did not come. This means that if vincent is town, scooby is certainly town. If vincent is scum, then nothing.

My reads are all messed up. -_-

I'll drop my mindgamer read, then, since it's the weakest. But I seriously need to reprocess things.

[Political Clout]

no he didn't he got put a -2 and then maf shot.

[Psyche]

Your vote was L-1
Hence my anxiety.

[andrew94]

why the crap did you guys quickwagon vincent. as i said before, if he was town, we would have lost instantly

it seems that if he was town, then we would have lost already. but the mafia shooter shot someone.
so
1) vincent is scum and mafia shooter saved him
BUT why did vincent replace out?

2) vincent is town and mafia shooter was retarded?

[iStark]

2nd option would make sense if there was only one mafia, this theme has 3?

Players usually replace out to earn themselves clean slate, not saying he did that for this, but that's not something I'm seeing first time. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

[mcqueen]

I was at school when I was supposed to prod Mindgamer, but I've just prodded him, so he'll have the few extra hours to post.

scooby has 4 hours to post, else he will be prodded.

Political Clout has 12 hours to post, else he will be prodded.

I'm still looking for a replacement for Vincent2128.

[mcqueen]

Yawn... it's morning, and you realize today's the day. You're getting shipped out. Replacing

Vincent2128

. You're going to risk your life for your village. At least if you die, and lose, you won't have to face them back in your village, with the deaths of your family hanging over you. But you'll have to face them in Mafiosiville. Today. Knock, knock, knock. You go open the door, and there is the man who woke you up, after you passed out a few days ago. "Morning, kid. Anybody by the name of

Fat_Tony

here?" "That'd be me, sir," you tell the man. "Well... best of luck to ya. A youngin going, riskin' his life, for all of us. Well, I surely do respect ya for it," says the man. "Thank you, mister," you say, hastily. "I know ya probably got to get ready and all, but I got a bit of advice for ya, before I go - stay alive. Them Mafia, as they were called back in the day, they'll kill anything that gets in their way. And another thing, come home alive, and victorious. Ya hear me, kid?" "Why, yes, sir, but I do have a question. You said they were called 'Mafia,' correct?" The man takes a moment to respond, "That's right. They were called the Mafia. That's how MafiaScum Village and Mafiosiville got their names. 'Mafia.'" You ponder over this for a minute, then say, "How do you know all this stuff about the Mafia? No one else 'round here even knew their name." The man replies, "Kid, you can't tell nobody about this. If ya do, I'll kill ya, before they can kill me. See, I used to be one of them. I hated it, but it was the only thing I could do, no one would hire me, I couldn't even plow snow in the winter, for money. So I had to do it. Finally, one day, in late autumn, it was just getting dark, when I saw her. I fell in love instantly, and my mind slapped itself straight. I quit. And I killed their leader, too. To show them, if they come after me, I'll kill them in a flash. Well, I didn't have any way of getting money, but I asked her out. Went right up, and asked her. She said yes. Luckily, she had a job, so we could afford to live together. We ended up having kids... but those bastards... those bastards... they killed both of them. And, in my old age, I've never been able to find a way to get revenge. So I need you to do it for me." You shake the man's hand, say no more, and close the door. You know what you must do. You get ready, then set out for the train station.

***

Another fill-in.

Fat_Tony

. That's all that's happened, today. But there's more to come, even if you don't know it, yet.

VOTECOUNT 2.2

Fat_Tony (2)

- iStark, Mindgamer

Mindgamer (1)

- scooby

Not Voting (4) - Political Clout, andrew94, Psyche, Fat_Tony

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

The deadline is on May 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time (EDT).

Fat_Tony replaces Vincent2128.

Vacation / Limited Access

No one is V/LA.

[Fat_Tony]

Sup, folks. Would appreciate your unvoting me while I get to grips with what's happened thus far. I'm not going to have time to read through tonight, but will try to get on top of things tomorrow.

Am I to take it that my predecessor in this spot was a bit... well, crap?

[Political Clout]

Sup, folks. Would appreciate your unvoting me while I get to grips with what's happened thus far. I'm not going to have time to read through tonight, but will try to get on top of things tomorrow.

Am I to take it that my predecessor in this spot was a bit... well, crap?

include who you think is town in your catch up post.

[mcqueen]

scooby has been prodded.

[scooby]

Sorry I've been busy lately will post later this evening