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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 11:35 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Izak was obvtown anyway...

I don't really disagree with you, here, but it was something I intended to look into.
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Do my posts create that impression? Pretty sure they don't. That someone could try and spin them that way seems more of a theoretical point than anything relevant to the game.

Maybe if you weren't married to your own earlier stated scum team speculation, you'd be able to see that you're just applying spin control to my arguments regarding Jackal711 and Hoopla.

Confirmation bias is a silly reason to overlook the truth.

Can you walk me through what prompted you to think that back then?

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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 11:45 am

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In post 375, DLG wrote:Maybe if you weren't married to your own earlier stated scum team speculation, you'd be able to see that you're just applying spin control to my arguments regarding Jackal711 and Hoopla.

I had actually forgotten about it overNight, so pretty sure that's not it.

DLG wrote:Can you walk me through what prompted you to think that back then?

His vote resembled really bad distancing (especially with the stated unwillingness to unvote), mostly + a dash of being aware of Kamikrazy's activity.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:02 pm

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Hoopla, damn you, get in here and do something so that people can figure you out! :mad:
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:03 pm

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@CES

If DLG isn't scum, who is?
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:03 pm

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Voided is my current answer.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:47 pm

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In post 363, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Hoopla, you'd've nightkilled me, right?


I don't know. It depends if I thought you'd attack me or not the next day.

I wish Jackal didn't self-hammer, it would have made it easier to tell if he was bussed. This is why I'm not ruling out CES.

Let me think...
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:16 pm

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I had actually forgotten about it overNight, so pretty sure that's not it.

If you say so.
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:His vote resembled really bad distancing (especially with the stated unwillingness to unvote), mostly + a dash of being aware of Kamikrazy's activity.

Well, I can't answer for Jackal711, but I guess I can see how you'd think that. But, considering that Kamikrazy hadn't posted in so long, I can guess that Jackal711 was just looking at an easy target and trying to appease you by voting your other suspect. That's all conjecture, of course, but it makes sense.

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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 1:30 am

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1) Even if she doesn't see it, I think Hooplsscum would've nightkilled me.
2) Just vaguely feels like it.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 1:48 am

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Anyway: more votes for DLG.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 4:04 am

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In post 383, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Anyway: more votes for DLG.

You know, given that we have a mislynch to give, I could enjoy lynching you just for the pure OMGUS joy of it. Hoopla's the scum, though.

Sit back and ride my coat tails to victory while you park your vote on me.

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Please provide that Hoopla town read explanation as soon as possible. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know how/why.

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Vote for Hoopla. Or, please explain why not.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 5:50 am

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I'll hammer Hoopla. I want to see who votes Hoopla 2nd.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 6:01 am

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We are lynching DLG.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 6:32 am

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CES, you and who? Maybe you'll get Hoopla to agree, I doubt voided will go along and I don't show any signs of wanting DLG dead, do I?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 7:13 am

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In post 364, Voidedmafia wrote:hoop pretty much town

Seems like the Hooplalynch is the one is that's not going to happen.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 7:40 am

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Reading through her ISO, I did overstate the Hoopread. But I still would not support her lynch. Her reasonings after Prolapsed's lynch just had a goodposting ring to them. Also, despite the rather topsy-turvy-ness of her spat with CES I just feel she came out better than CES did. Though that "Come on now..." post isn't very good, it's not going to massively flip my read on her. Barring anything else, I could go with her lynch tomorrow, but not today.

Anyways, I've heard from everyone else now. PoE (and voting compromisation) dictates where I'm voting.

Vote: DLG
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 7:42 am

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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 8:33 am

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... you people are very frustrating.

STOP DOING THINGS THAT MAKE ME RE-EVALUATE MY DAMN SCUMREADS!!!
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 8:45 am

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Not sure if I should lol or say sorry.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 9:13 am

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OK, I'm going to lay out my whole thought process for you all... I'm relying on town to help me... there's more of you than scum, so hopefully this works.

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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 9:22 am

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Put yourselves in my shoes for a moment and take a ride with me...

I'm town.

Hoopla goes off the deep end staking her reputation that I'm scum. This seems insane. However, plenty of people (admittedly much better at this game than I am) are "convinced" Hoopla is town. Well damn.

Given not only the inaccuracy of her read on me, but also her SURENESS means that I cannot trust any reads from Hoopla.

There's only one scum left, so the fact that everyone except for me seems convinced that Hoopla is probably not the scum means that "the town" believes this to be true. I am aware that the odds that everyone but me is wrong are not good.

CES is flippant and (IMO) unhelpful... but that also seems to be his play-style, so that's not in and of itself a scumtell.

CES wants DLG gone widdaquickness.

I just don't get why. I don't see the scumminess of the kami/DLG slot. When it was just CES advocating it, I could believe it was purely scum wanting a mislynch.

Now that voided is on board and they can't BOTH be scum, that means at least one townie sees something I'm missing.

Throw in the fact that Hoopla has essentially gone dark (her participation in this game is DRASTICALLY lower than it has been), and I'm totally fucking confused.

Basically, everything I think I have as a read is being disputed by at least one townie, so I don't know what to think anymore.

Heck, why does no one (including me) think voided is scum???

So, town, I'm throwing myself at your mercy... you've seen my thought process. Put yourselves in my shoes and PLEASE help me see what it is that I'm missing so that we can lynch the damn scum and win today.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 9:31 am

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Hoopla's sureness was overstated and DLG is scum. I'm not really sure what else I can say to convince you of the latter though.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 10:33 am

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Thoughts in a bit. Busy at the moment.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 1:07 pm

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I don't want to be mislynched, of course, but Town can still win Day 3.

Scum is between Hoopla and Voidedmafia.

Cogito Ergo Sum has been rock solid on wanting me lynched despite all my jabbing at him. Maybe I'm just not good enough to shake him as scum, but he hasn't even batted a proverbial lash at all my jibes. As scum, I'd have expected him to sheep my Hoopla case and set me up for the final mislynch. If he was the scum, he'd recognize the bad position he's creating for himself by pushing my mislynch and I'd expect him to at least waver a little bit, or try to set up some kind of backdoor out.

mafia-n00b seems genuinely confused and wanting to get things right. Not voting Hoopla when I pushed him to argues for him as town as well. He could have easily justified coming in behind me with his own previous scum read on Hoopla and not had to worry about defending his stance. Waiting to see if Cogito Ergo Sum would switch, or if Voidedmafia would make the L-1 vote looks to me like continued scumhunting if Hoopla
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I still think the connections between Hoopla and Jackal711 are undeniable. I'd like to hear Hoopla's answer regarding those connections and hope she is forced to answer that. I don't quite know how to feel about her silence for most of this Day. Confirmation bias insists she's just walking soft and trying to find the right niche to set-up for a win now that she's facing 4 v 1. Still my preferred lynch for today.

Voidedmafia is another story. Obviously, I don't like his vote on me. I want to know what happened to his supposed scum read on mafia-n00b. For some reason, it just dropped clear away. Also, I detect some laying down of plans for Day 3 from him. If he really believed I'm scum, he shouldn't have to be worrying about that. If he really doesn't, he shouldn't be putting me at L-1 with over a week to go based on needing to compromise. That smacks of pushing for an easy target. After all my carping against Hoopla, it seems probable she might hammer me even if she's town. That would make Voidedmafia manipulating scum.

Well, it is unlimited voting, isn't it?

VOTE: Voidedmafia

I'll be o.k. with lynching either Voidedmafia or Hoopla. If I'm hammered, instead, good luck.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2012 8:07 pm

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THere's a difference between "Dropping a scumread period" and "dropping a scumread due to lack of traction". This game has not been my best (not that that's an excuse), and I feel like mafia is now in some sort of null limbo in my mind, but PoE at this point states it's either you or him today.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed May 09, 2012 7:03 am

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Voided,

You're relying a lot on process of elimination, but going over your ISO, I can't find where you've eliminated kondi/CES as a possibility... so why is it just me and DLG?
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