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Then what happens if a group of people work together?
Should they get disregarded? Or who'll get the credit?
I'd support a group nomination for this one or a possible seperate wiki scummie. Why would it be hard to look at a groups work?

Because it's a body of work award. And, for example, in that group, you did setup stuff as well... but then, the judges can't really consider that, because it's a group nomination. So then they'd have to consider you separately anyway. Or, diginova has done a ton of work on the graphics/art/layout for the cards that are being made... but, the others of you didn't, so that'd have to be separated as well.

A group of people can work together, sure. But they would all need to be considered individually, with the group contributions being factored into other individual contributions. It's like our Paragon of Mafia Hunters or Don Corleone award... a hydra can technically be nominated, but then ONLY games played in the hydra will be considered. Conversely, if a solo person is nominated, and they had a few games they played as a hydra, their solo games PLUS the games in the hydra would be considered.

We rolled the wiki portion of Professor Mafia into Community Contributor and changed the Professor Mafia scope. Contributing to the wiki is contributing to the site, there's no need for a separate award.

I understand your reasoning and after further thought a seperate scummie would be dumb. What could possibly be done is group nominations are allowed however as you said you'll only get reviewed for that. In this case redoing the wiki.

You can't nom yourself anyway, so why does it matter? I don't care about getting a Scummy, I'm doing it because I want to do it.

In post 528, diginova wrote:You can't nom yourself anyway, so why does it matter? I don't care about getting a Scummy, I'm doing it because I want to do it.

You can actually though it's frowned upon. Also, although you're not doing it for a scummie (and that's the right attitude) I'm nominating you for your work. I had already been nominated for wiki changes however you and molla are also both putting a lot of work into it. Hence I nominated you two for the same thing as me.

It's more me wanting to give you some credit for your work, I'm not trying to gain some award either.

My apologies if this has been mentioned before. I did not read all 22 pages of this topic to see if it had.

I am a complete newbie in my first game. One thing that has been discussed is the "meta" of some players, that is to say, their known play tendencies (to other players who have played with them before, or have gone and looked up their prior games and read up on them).

I find this concept really counter to the spirit of the game. I would expect that information about how a player played in previous games should ideally not be knowable in future games. This is for two reasons: a) it doesn't put everyone on equal footing at the outset of the game. Some players will know each other and how they play. Others will not have this same information. And b) it leads to players trying to establish a certain meta which would unnaturally affect their play in the current game (i.e. being brash all of the time because that's the meta they're trying to establish). This could make for suboptimal game play in a current game in order to try to have better success in future games due to that established meta.

What I think would be ideal is if the site could assign random names and pictures to each player at the outset of the game. And for there to be a rule that players are not allowed to reveal their actual identity or their identity as it was known in any prior game, in the current game. Then at the end of the game everyone's "true names" (i.e. true login names) would be revealed.

Maybe some players like to play with meta, and so maybe this could just be a game mode that you could choose to play in if you wanted to.

The alternative is for players to create new accounts every time they want to play a new game, which seems wasteful of time and resources.

Thanks for listening!

I think you would be best to just create a new thread in Mafia Discussion and see if you can get anyone to create a game like that. Alt games get run every now and then, but the fact that people have to change accounts to post can mean some people just don't bother unless they're prodded.

Couldnt we have a "Jack of all trades" award for the player who plays all alignments well?

I feel such an award would diminish the value of our current "big" solo awards.

In post 534, displaced wrote:Couldnt we have a "Jack of all trades" award for the player who plays all alignments well?

In post 535, xRECKONERx wrote:I feel such an award would diminish the value of our current "big" solo awards.

Maybe instead of alignment, it could go to the player who's best at using a variety of PR's.

In post 534, displaced wrote:Couldnt we have a "Jack of all trades" award for the player who plays all alignments well?

veto

I really don't like having to look at the "Announcements" is every sub-forum :/ (I don't know if that can be changes)

In post 538, Zymf wrote:I really don't like having to look at the "Announcements" is every sub-forum :/ (I don't know if that can be changes)

To be fair, the number of announcement stickies is a little larger than it usually is (afaik I think this may be the greatest number of simultaneous announcement stickies that I've ever seen at my time on the site). We're kind of adjusting to a lot of transitioning in administration/moderation. I'd suspect it'll go back down to 2 or 3 in the next couple of months.

i agree w/ plexar

In post 540, xRECKONERx wrote:i agree w/ plexar

Have you been hacked, that's like the 5th post with this in a row?

it's his sense of humor

ya sry i got hacked :'(

So, now that the 2014 scummies are done any suggestions/improvements/critique is welcomed so we can try and improve for next year.

include plexar in next year's ceremony

Actually, why "Scummie Nominated" for the finalists? Maybe not a banner but an alternate/additional title?

Disclaimer: I haven't read through 22 pages so if this has already been discussed, please just point me to the specific page where discussion commenced.

I feel that overall, it doesn't make sense as an award category because unlike "Best scumteam," the individual performances of the players in the town matter very little. For instance someone could be having a below-average game and yet the town that they are in wins the award and everyone in it gets a scummy.

This causes:

Devaluation of the scummy: The scummy is a valuable award and a source of pride for the holder and the community. When you award it to a whole group of people without even considering their individual effort, it could lead to undeserving recipients receiving the award. The other recipients of other awards would be on the same level as the "Best Town" category for the purposes of Scummies Invitationals etc. This leads to a lowering of value of what having a scummy means and turns it from something to be earned to something that can be had purely due to the luck of the draw. Also, the choices this year for "Best Town" were very, very limited.

== Counterplan ==

I propose awarding an individual award for best performance in a town victory. This would be distinct from the Best Mafia Catcher award as the latter is a Body-of-Work award while my proposal involves someone who performed best in a town win. It essentially means we have a "Best town" category. And in the category, after the best town win has been selected, the judges then select one person who was most instrumental in the win to be given that award.

Thoughts?

not distinct enough