Open 402 -- Hard Boiled (Game Over!)

[Venmar]

Yeah, why are you really arguing with me Thomith? Your guys's wagon on me is extremely weak, and is based on the assumption i know what alignment Kassadin is, which i don't. Because my real intention was to advise you guys to slow down and not rush the Kassadin lynch. Because you misinterpreted what i said and than take that for granted does not mean that is what i meant. Furthermore, why are you disagreeing and pushing me about Kassadin? If you want him alive and are defending him why are you trying to say otherwise by arguing with me?

@BwBurke

- Why are you voting for me? You, like several others have not stated your reasons for voting for me.

- This wagon is total BS unless i am missing something here..

Vote: Thomith

- Unless this is his play style, he is playing fairly scummy.
- Pushes arguments on me without enforcing hem with a vote, instead just a FoS.

the way you worded it earlier made it seem like you did

- Proves he is misinterpreting me, and using this false meaning as a reason to vote for me.

also venmar seems town from the answers to my questions, and general reaction to pressure.

- Says he has a town read on me, and now all of the sudden changes his mind and instead
- Has null reads on Kassadin, but claims to defend him for 3-4 pages.

null read on kass, it honestly depends on your/BK's allignment.

- This is page 3. One of the proofs he thinks Kass is null, yet protect him as if he believed he is town.

[Venmar]

- Says he has a town read on me, and now all of the sudden changes his mind and instead

throws suspicions and plans to make a vote on me

I just realised i didn't finish that sentence. My bad guys, fixed in red.

[Arugula]

P-edit: I guess it's not really a wagon with only two votes on both Kassadin and Venmar, but nonetheless,

you're

reasoning against Venmar is poor.

*your
Sorry I stopped mid-sentence, went to the bathroom, and came back using the wrong your.

But, Venmar, that post pretty much sums Thomith's scumminess up. Very good.

[BwBurke]

@Venmar: You're new here. As scum, you're a bad scum. As town, you're a bad town. Either way, lynching you is better than lynching a likely town that actually knows how to play. We have no clue who the scum are right now. With that being said, I will unvote because there's no real evidence that you're scum.

UNVOTE:

[Arugula]

@Venmar: You're new here. As scum, you're a bad scum. As town, you're a bad town. Either way, lynching you is better than lynching a likely town that actually knows how to play. We have no clue who the scum are right now. With that being said, I will unvote because there's no real evidence that you're scum.

UNVOTE:

Why is he bad? I think he's good for the town because he calms people down and asks for logic.

[LlamaFluff]

Im actually liking the push from Arugla here.

unvote
Vote Thomith

[Nachomamma8]

- This is just out of curiosity, but do you believe that one should vote to really express their opinion about someone that they think is or could be scum? I believe you have used an argument like this a couple times. ( That someone has not voted a long with their 'suspicions'. )

Yes. If you suspect someone, you should vote them as long as it doesn't instantly lead to a lynch. While you are voting, you are bringing someone a little closer to the lynch and you are showing that you endorse this wagon beyond anyone else's. This opens up the opportunity to have people agree with you and vote with you, which means they might find crucial information that you missed. People will not consider your suspicions serious until you are voting; after all, if you aren't confident to vote for a wagon you're trying to start, why should anyone follow you?

@nacho also i said the bolded because my logic has holes in it but i think it is still quite good logic.

If you think it's good logic, there's no reason to call it bleh.

did you like ignore all my reasoning or something?

You're pushing Venmar for jumping on kass while Llama and Low Man are actually voting him. Why?

@Venmar: You're new here. As scum, you're a bad scum. As town, you're a bad town. Either way, lynching you is better than lynching a likely town that actually knows how to play. We have no clue who the scum are right now. With that being said, I will unvote because there's no real evidence that you're scum.

UNVOTE:

You still haven't given reasoning for your vote.

[andrew94]

@mod,

v/la 1-2days due to test

[TeChNoWC]

The wagon on Venmar seems quite stupid, and while he does post a lot of fluff, I agree with his defence of Kassadin and I am not sure why he is getting so much flak for it.

Though I don't disagree with Burke's analysis, voting for someone who you think is a crap player (and I wouldn't necessarily say Venmar is crap, just distrusted at this point), seems like a scummy move. Your vote also came out of nowhere and appeared like bandwagoning, which leads me to believe you may have pulled off because you were scared of being seen as scummy.

[Chimera]

Prodding Kassadin

[Venmar]

@ BwBurker

- If you think i am such a horrible player and so useless to the game, then why do you unvote? If i am not looking scummy to you why did you vote in the first place.. this is just screaming bandwagoning for me. You unvote me because i am not all that scummy, but this does not even explain why you voted for me in the first place. Furthermore, it kind of sounds like you are fine with lynching a townie as long as they are less useful. Kind of meaning you are willing to lynch me when i am town.

( Don't like his analysis, it is unfair to call new players horrible and treat them as such. If i am new, and you want to lynch me as soon as possible, how am i supposed to get experience to stop being "new"? )

Question for BwBurke

- Why did you vote for me in the first place? In your last post you practically said i am not scum.

[Thomith]

i am not pushing for venmar because he pushed for kass, maybe you should read and understand more of what i am saying voided.

#128 seems weird to me, as it looks like a weird reason to unvote, because he plays "bad" but meh, also venmar, if i am misinterperating you then i am misunderstanding you, also i guess in a way i am defending kass, however it has reason that has worked before, which is why i am using it again.

[LowMan]

@mod: That VC is slightly off but it's not your fault. It's mine due to broken bold tags in my last post.

VOTE: Venmar

Aha, thanks...new VC coming.

[Thomith]

oh and
UNVOTE: VOTE: venmar
as i said i would when i saw a votecount.

[Chimera]

Votecount 1.6

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-08 14:40:00)

Venmar (3) -- andrew94, Lowman, Thomith
LowMan (1) -- Nachomamma8
Thomith (3) -- Arugula, Venmar, LlamaFluff
Arugula (1) -- The1fifi
raspberrylicious (1) -- BK201
BK201 (1) -- TeCHNoWC

Not voting--raspberrylicious, Kassadin, BwBurke

Kassadin has been prodded.

[Kassadin]

VOTE: thomith

[Thomith]

care to explain?

[raspberrylicious]

VOTE: Thomith

[Thomith]

ok cool i am at L-2... can you all explain your cases on me please?

[Arugula]

i am not pushing for venmar because he pushed for kass, maybe you should read and understand more of what i am saying voided.

I don't know what voided is doing at the end of that sentence so I'll ignore it.

I've read through and that seems to be all you have. Explain why you are voting Venmar besides pointing out flaws in your Kass wagon.

[Thomith]

i meant nacho, i got them mixed up, and i need to go now but i am pretty sure i have explained all i have already

[BK201]

also i guess in a way i am defending kass, however it has reason that has worked before, which is why i am using it again.

I have 387 where you voted kass as scum, but that doesn't count because that's yourself. Then there's 397. There wasn't scum on Kass all game besides RachMarie eventually. Scum wants to keep Kassadin alive as long as possible. Players that lurk are great for scum because they allow scum to lurk too. When has your scum try to lynch Kassadin theory worked?

[BK201]

Kassadin and Rasberry, what's your reasons for voting Thomith?

I'd rather lynch one of you because I know you both lurk to endgame, so answer.

[Arugula]

i meant nacho, i got them mixed up, and i need to go now but i am pretty sure i have explained all i have already

I'm asking you to explain it again because I can't find it. If you don't have another reason, just say so. You seem to be avoiding the question.

[Chimera]

Prodding The1fifi