Open 420: Medical Mafia - That's all, folks!

[RachMarie]

Who are you popcorning to Robo?

[Robocopter87]

Uhh, you are the only one left here. Just claim, why would you even ask?

[RachMarie]

ohhh oops I thought there was another one still ok no worries I protected you Robo.

So at least we know I do not have one of the bad docs.

[RachMarie]

Actually it is MYLO if we lynch the wrong person today then scum can NK and win

[Zachrulez]

Just felt like saying this.. I called Morton to be more likely town, and I had no interest in a FuDuzn lynch.

ZachRulez or RoboCopter, one of you two are scum gentlemen.

I targeted you. I thought you were the most town and with Morton being a vig I figured the odds of me killing you were slim.

Yes we seem to have a dilemma on our hands.

Now you can't simply push it down to just me and Zach, unless I am missing something then you aren't cleared either. Rach however, is confirmed.


However I don't think it is you, I feel you are entirely town.

Zach however, is left due to PoE and this,

Aw, come on Zach, I was starting to suspect you were town, don't ruin it.

I don't think that any scum player would target a town player like this, he acts like he think he is scum but doesn't push it. Simply moving on and leaving Zach alone. That doesn't sit well with me.

Yeah Robo guess what? He wanted me to move my vote and threatened suspicion to get me to do it. That's textbook scum on town.

That you want to paint that as something else is interesting.

ohhh oops I thought there was another one still ok no worries I protected you Robo.

So at least we know I do not have one of the bad docs.

Not necessarily. If you were targeted by the paranoid doctor your action would have been blocked.

Actually it is MYLO if we lynch the wrong person today then scum can NK and win

Assuming the kill doesn't get blocked one way or another, yes that would be correct.

I'd lean Robo for scum right now, but I'm really uncertain right now. Venmar if scum would have been going out of his way to keep his buddy out of the spotlight and Robo just had suspicion of Yellow come out of nowhere and I can't remember where or if he bothered to qualify his suspicion.

I could see both aspects coming from scum, but when one is trying to look town, I'd pick the guy posturing suspicion over the one that didn't seem interested in the scum at all. (That's just my experience talking right now.)

[Robocopter87]

Yeah Robo guess what? He wanted me to move my vote and threatened suspicion to get me to do it. That's textbook scum on town.

That you want to paint that as something else is interesting.

You are hypocritical to the max, you got "wanted me to move my vote and threatened suspicion" out of the original quote.

Aw, come on Zach, I was starting to suspect you were town, don't ruin it.

I took this as a veiled threat to move my vote, which means I'm totally not going to.

Seriously, what the heck is a veiled threat to move your vote? The only person capable of moving your vote is you, so if he just pulled an OMGUS post then why the heck would you be concerned about his "veiled threat"? Besides, no duh he wanted you to move your vote, regardless of alignment nobody should want people to vote for them (obviously jester but thats it)

Threatened suspicion? Who the heck is actually concerned that someone will be suspicious of them? Not town.

So no, "wanting you to move your vote and threatening suspicion" is not going to cut it.

[Zachrulez]

Votecount 2.06

FuDuzn (2) - Robocopter87, Mortontfrh
Zachrulez (2) - Venmar, FuDuzn
Mortontfrh (1) - yellowbounder
yellowbounder (1) - Zachrulez
Venmar (0) -

none

RachMarie (0) -

none

Robocopter87 (0) -

none

No Lynch (0) -

none

Not voting (1) - RachMarie

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-04 11:02:25)

You know what Robo? No, I'm not going to sit here and defend myself from the idea that I'm scum for being the only player to actually fucking vote scum on day 2. I'm not going to sit here and listen to you say that what he did makes no sense and makes me scum, or that my reasoning for going after him was somehow bad bussing on the basis that I only did it for WIFOM to my scum wincon. It's an absolutely batshit insane theory and that's how it deserves to be responded to.

[Robocopter87]

Alright, posting VC and being all,"I was the only person right" doesn't change the fact about the way he acted towards you.

It wasn't bad bussing, you were acting like any normal townie would have (because thats how you are supposed to play scum) and you voted him because he did something.

You didn't do anything super incriminating. He did.

Besides, it isn't that insane of a theory, a lot of scum bus like that when they know the wagon won't happen so they come back after their partner dies and be all like, "I called him being scum".

YB wasn't going to die Day Two, you knew that and bussed him a bit and he very very badly responded towards you.

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, and his non interaction with you and Venmar can be seen as just as incriminating from an associative perspective. Do you have a case based on my PLAY, or do you just want to argue my lynch on lazy associative grounds?

[izakthegoomba]

Votecount 3.01

Zachrulez (0) -

none

Venmar (0) -

none

RachMarie (0) -

none

Robocopter87 (0) -

none

No Lynch (0) -

none

Not voting (4) - Robocopter87, Zachrulez, RachMarie, Venmar

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline is in (expired on 2012-08-21 12:24:13)

[Venmar]

I'm too lazy to really bring up any cases, but the night action for Zach night 1 is pretty convenient if they are scum together, and this night it also seems convenient that he protected Rach.

[Zachrulez]

I'm too lazy to really bring up any cases, but the night action for Zach night 1 is pretty convenient if they are scum together, and this night it also seems convenient that he protected Rach.

I could have pretty much claimed to have protected anyone if I was scum with Yellowbounder, I didn't necessarily need to claim an action on him, or even claim first.

Rach was pretty much the obvious play for any doctors that have been shown not to kill through n1 actions, and look who's action sticks out like a sore thumb?

Honestly Rach's the deciding vote here and from her perspective it's a 33% chance of victory lynching today. The optimal play here is to no lynch and get Rach into a 3 way as that's a 50/50 shot of a town win.

Vote: No lynch

[Zachrulez]

Rach was pretty much the obvious play for any doctors that have been shown not to kill through n1 actions, and look who's action sticks out like a sore thumb?

I'm talking about Robo's Venmar protect. Look at that one from an objective perspective and tell me it makes sense for him to have done that. (For anything other than "I think you're town, vote the way I'd like you to and we got this." appeal)

Honestly Rach's the deciding vote here and from her perspective it's a 33% chance of victory lynching today. The optimal play here is to no lynch and get Rach into a 3 way as that's a 50/50 shot of a town win.

Vote: No lynch

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I don't have any confidence I can influence anything, but the best I can do is play the math of it.

[Zachrulez]

Oh I'd already posted. I thought I could have preview edited.

Oh well.

[Zachrulez]

Oh I'd already posted. I thought I could have preview edited.

Oh well.

Oh derp, it was a follow up post. I need to stop posting now before I get too confused about what I'm actually trying to post.

My head's not all here as you can see.

[Zachrulez]

Anyway, I intended only to follow up on 536 with the first paragraph, and then I forgot to cut out the rest of the post to quote the part I wanted to follow up on and then somehow thought I hadn't posted 536 yet.

[Robocopter87]

4 posts!?!?!?!

obvscum

Down for a No Lynch, however who should protect Rach?

[Venmar]

Idk. I doubt the second doctor who can kill is still alive, I think it's pretty obvious Morton was either a Quack Doctor or CPR doctor. I come to this conclusion because no one else has died from the people's claimed targets, and there has been small buildup.

If we No Lynch, Rach should get all of our protects just in case, but this opens up a free kill for the mafia, allowing them to take out the most townie looking out of the three of us. While No Lynch isn't a bad idea, from my point of view I know that either Robo or Zach is scum, and based off of previous posts and interactions with Yellowbounder, Zach is the one I am leaning on.

@Robocopter - That last post made no sense. You thinking Zach is obvious scum = you wanting a no lynch? Shouldn't you be wanting to be pushing a Zach lynch?

[Robocopter87]

/facepalm

perhaps it isn't your fault, I've been told my humor sense is super dry. But it was a joke.

Why would I attempt to lynch someone when we could create better odds for a scum death? Why risk it?

[RachMarie]

I don't want EVERYONE protecting me, though I am fine with a NL in this situation, it is not a typical one.

Intent to Hammer the No Lynch

I know looks funny, but I want to make sure everyone has had a chance to have their say first.

[Zachrulez]

I suspect I'm the paranoid doctor for what it's worth... (Which is a long way from conclusively being one... anyway.)

We're going to Vegas tomorrow morning until Saturday and I don't think we're taking the laptop so I'm pretty much going to have no access until Saturday.

[Venmar]

I don't want EVERYONE protecting me, though I am fine with a NL in this situation, it is not a typical one.

Intent to Hammer the No Lynch

I know looks funny, but I want to make sure everyone has had a chance to have their say first.

- No-Lynch needs two more to be hammered, so your vote wouldn't be "hammering" the no lynch. I also would like to wait until Zach gets back. I don't like nitpicking at real life issues but it seems pretty convenient to skip the remaining of this day phase.

[RachMarie]

With 4 players and 3 needed to lynch you only need 2 for a NL. I verified this with NS because I needed the info as a mod.

[izakthegoomba]

Just to confirm, that is also the case in this game, as stated in rule 5.

[Venmar]

Oh, okay my bad then. It's your call Rach, if you want to hammer then hammer. I'll do it if you don't want to.

Robocopter, you cool with a no lynch?