Open 434: Fire and Ice - GAME OVER

Dry-fit · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:05 am

VOTE COUNT 4.2

[L-1] guille2015: Klick, TeChNoWC

[L-3] TeChNoWC:

[L-2] Malakittens: Dry-fit

[L-1] Dry-fit: Malakittens, guille2015

[L-3] Klick:

Not Voting:

0

With five alive, it takes three to lynch.
Day Four's deadline: October 15, 2012 CST or in (expired on 2012-10-15 18:03:00).
V/LA: No one.

"It is an ironic habit of human beings to run faster when we have lost our way."

-Rollo May

Well, looks like my ass is getting bailed out again.

Guille is my third scumread, but that's better than me getting lynched.

Unvote. Vote: guille2015

TraceyLyn11 · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:33 am

VOTE COUNT 4.3; FINAL VOTE COUNT OF DAY FOUR

[

LYNCH

] guille2015: Klick, TeChNoWC, Dry-fit

[L-3] TeChNoWC:

[L-3] Malakittens:

[L-1] Dry-fit: Malakittens, guille2015

[L-3] Klick:

Not Voting:

0

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

-Bilbo (

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship)

TraceyLyn11 · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:42 am

You thought for sure it had been him. You thought for sure he was the last mafia. Everything's going downhill. Surely the mafia will kill tonight, and when they do... Will it be you? Will it be a friend? If you're still alive tomorrow, you only get

one more shot

at winning. Otherwise it's all over. Tracey will have won. That mafia fucker will have won. No, you can't let that happen.
You inwardly scream as you see Tracey's figure in the cave. Maybe you can make a run for it before she sedates you? But no. You have to play this out. You have to try and win.
When Tracey is standing above you, you obediently hold out your arm. She pricks you and smiles. "If it weren't for your dead-ugly appearance and your awful personality, I might actually enjoy having you help me in my research. Guess that's the breaks; it's just so hard to find anyone useful nowadays," she snidely says, daring you to do something, anything. But you hold your cool. You won't take the bait. Diasppointment colors her face. She punches you in the face and walks away.
Putting a hand to your nose, you feel hot blood streaming from it. Blood. ... Blood. It's proof that you're still alive. It's proof that this isn't hell, that Tracey's not the devil. You will use that sense of reality to push you onward, to allow you to win.

NIGHT FOUR BEGINS!

guille2015,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched day four.

If you have night actions, please send me your choices via PM or QT if you have one.
Night two will end in (expired on 2012-10-11 16:41:00).

TraceyLyn11 · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:29 am

Everyone has confirmed. Night will end in (expired on 2012-10-09 16:41:00)

TraceyLyn11 · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:23 pm

You're actually alive. Earlier in the game you would have wished to just die overnight, to end it all. But no, not now. You want to win this. Looking around, you spot the body. Taking one look, you recognize him. He was a friend of your families since before you were born. You hardly knew him as he talked more to your parents and siblings than to you, but it still brought a pang of sadness to know that you'll never see him again.
It had to be done, though. It couldn't have been you. You were going to end this once and for all. There is one thing you decided right then and there, though: you forgive the remaining mafia member. He's a horrible person. You know that. But he's just playing Tracey's game in order to survive as much as the next guy. You've killed to many people in this game to hold resentment for that person any longer. No, your quarrel is with Tracey, and Tracey alone.
This is your last shot. Kill the mafia member and win. Kill a friend and lose. The former is obviously the better option, but at this point you just want it to be over so you can get your hands on Tracey. Anticipating that moment, you stand up and say, "Let's get started, shall we?"

DAY FIVE BEGINS!

TeChNoWC,

Vanilla Townie

, frozen to death night four.

TraceyLyn11 · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:27 pm

VOTE COUNT 5.0

[L-2] Malakittens:

[L-2] Dry-fit:

[L-2] Klick:

Not Voting:

3 (Malakittens, Dry-fit, Klick)

With three alive, it takes two to lynch.
Day Five's deadline: October 23, 2012 CST or in (expired on 2012-10-23 21:28:00).
V/LA: No one.

"Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest."

-Isaac Asimov

Klick · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:32 pm

I want to hear thoughts from both of you before giving my theory.

Malakittens · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:49 pm

Quite a WIFOM on our hands here.

I don't think know why if Dry-Fit was scum he'd keep me around knowing I would vote him and it takes just 2 votes to lynch.

This makes me think it's not Dry-Fit as the remaining and could infact be Klick.

Then again I don't see Dry-Fit convincing Klick to change his town read on me to vote me and knowing that I might not vote Klick.

Dry-fit · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:15 pm

Well that was the kill I expected to happen.

This is really a nightmare scenario for me. You two are the only players I felt made sense making the Jal kill. Associative tells with PM are hard to get from either of you because you both joined the PM wagon D1 at a critical time. In addition, Tech is the kill I would have expected coming from both of you as scum.

I'm leaning mala at the moment, but I'll need to spend more time thinking it over. I'd like to hear your theory, Klick.

Klick · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:27 pm

I suspect Mala over you at the moment.

In post 866, Klick wrote:Yes, I've gone back to saying that Ma
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hundred percent town. Reasoning is unimportant at the moment.

Quote that post. The letters "lie" are colored black.

I suspected Mala about as much as you and guille yesterday, but couldn't figure out an easy way to reveal it, as Mala was a generally accepted townread at that point, and I had no reason for thinking she was

scum

other than gut, which is lame as hell and wouldn't convince anyone.

So, the only way Mala could possibly get lynched today was if she kept both me and you alive today. To make this happen, I had to influence her kill, hence the fake definite townread on her. I had it set up so that, if you happened to actually be scum as I suspected before, I would probably die, and TeCh would be left with a Dry-fit scumread from me that would probably be correct.

Now that TeCh has died, I'd say I'm about 70% confident in Malascum.

Klick · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:29 pm

...damnit, this means I have to read.

Malakittens · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:38 pm

Oh wow...

Scum-Klick. Cute..

Seriously though. Now it is probably Klick. There's no way in hell Dry would keep me over Tech and Klick is a strong player. I don't get why he wasn't dead to begin with.

I'm going back to one of my first statements that one of Venmar/Klick were scum. Apparently Venmar is dead, but Klick isn't.

Klick stopped me by saying that it was a WIFOM kill. Yes and no Jal wasn't a WIFOM kill, but labeling it that was made me go "eh".

This is exactly the problem I hate with people using gut as their reasoning for a town read. Gives them the perfect oppurinty to change it in LyLo as they please.

Malakittens · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:43 pm

Meh. Meant Arg/Venmar as scum, but I was rethinking my read on Klick after he pulled the wool over my eyes on another game.

Jal was going after him pretty hard though. Which can be considered a threat.

Malakittens · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:46 pm

Then there's the Klick/Klondi is waiting for others to give their thoughts before posting his own.

Dry I know you are pretty convicted I am scum, but please look over Klondi/Klick.

Klick · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:47 pm

First: I undeclared my townread on you, like, Day Three. It only came back Day Four as a fake in case you were scum and decided to keep me alive.

Second, Dry keeping you over TeCh makes absolute perfect sense. If Dry is scum, you pretty much had to be in LyLo with him, as he had townreads on everyone else, and you were his major suspect. Are you only saying this because I suspected you? Nothing changed between your last post and that one besides me suspecting you.

Malakittens · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:53 pm

That flip flop gives you perfect oppurinty in LyLo to keep me.

You kept bouncing saying my town read on Mala was strong and you should never lynch her.
Then you again flopped saying you didn't see anything that gives that feeling besides the huge posts.
Then again you go back saying oh yeah she's town again!

So clearly now you are saying you "lied" about your read on me in order to suit your needs when it's convient for you.

Dry-fit · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Klick wrote:I suspected Mala about as much as you and guille yesterday, but couldn't figure out an easy way to reveal it, as Mala was a generally accepted townread at that point, and I had no reason for thinking she was scum other than gut, which is lame as hell and wouldn't convince anyone.

I find this part of your story hard to believe. With five players left alive, you and I both had a scumread and mala. Mala oviously wouldn't have a scumread on mala. Tech had at best a weak townread on mala that fluctuated, and guille had a consistent but unsubstantiated townread on mala. Why would it be so hard to reveal it at that point?

Malakittens · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:07 pm

Klick..

You tend to do things as scum that scum wouldn't tend to do. Which makes people give you "town" points for.

Example:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22320

Post #22:
Gave him town points.

Him claiming VT this game could go either way, but he used to where it went to town points because it pulled the game out of RVS.

Klick · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:27 am

@Dry: With the townreads on Mala, no one would be willing to vote her. She couldn't be lynched if I revealed a scumread on her yesterday, especially with no reasoning.

Mala...

I do gambits pretty much all the time. Examples are pretty easy to find. If you quote #866, the word "lie" is painted black. It wasn't just a "flop", it was definitely set up.

I also have a history of not giving reasoning for reads. As both alignments.

Malakittens · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:03 am

I can't quote off a phone.

Honestly you shouldn't lie. Especially if you are town are you lie.. It's well not right.

Klick · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:29 am

It's called a gambit.

Malakittens · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:32 am

I don't care what it is called. You can be scum and lying and excuse it as a gambit. Apparently you missed my point all together.

Klick · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:54 am

Alright. PM's reactions with you guys didn't really reveal much. PM tried to call Chrimi town, and made me really lean on him being his partner early on, but after Day One, he had absolutely no interaction with Mala. However, he NEVER had interaction with Dry-Fit.

In post 51, PMysterious wrote:
In post 40, kondi2424 wrote:Chrimi, I love you and I love your posts and I love how when I read them I hear CC and you're town.

That must mean you know your SCUM partner too well.

This really makes me want to say Mala's scum, considering he never called Chrimi scum before then.

Klick · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:39 pm

Mala, what was your reasoning for calling me town up until now?

Malakittens · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:52 pm

That could also be distancing on from both of you also.

Ill answer that later. It's 2am