Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over


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Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:52 am

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"It's never over, eh? We'll see about that..."

Rules:


1) Be nice. To me and to your fellow players.
2) Blue is my color. Please don't use it.
3) You know how to vote. Do it bolded.
4) You know how a lynch works. When the majority of the votes is on a person, he gets lynched.
5) If you don't lynch before the deadline, that's a shame.
6) please do not break the game by artificial means, that's no fun for anyone.
7) this is a normal game.

VT role pm wrote:you are a vanilla townie. You win with the town when all threats to the town are gone.


Alive


Hiraki
greygnarl
mcstab
buldermar
NJAC
jun
pappums rat
smashbard

Dead


pirate mollie, VT, lynched day 1
slandaar, VT, killed night 1
Shinori, VT, lynched day 2
evilpacman
qwints, VT, killed night 2
pmysterious
combinatorialEnigma, town roleblocker, lynched day 3

theomoaner, town roleblocker, killed night 3
Maenara, VT, lynched day 4
eleison
majiffy, town mason, killed night 4
telo
thebuttonmen, VT, lynched day 5

dividizzle, VT, killed night 5
thurhame
10506670, VT, Killed day 6
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:11 am

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All role pm's are out. This means day one starts right now. Everybody knows the roles (since they are normal) so there's no need to confirm to me that you understand them. As with all myko games, if you had nighttalk you'll get a couple of days to get to know each other.

But I'm sure you are all anxious to play, so I won't hold you up any longer!

Day one has started. With 16 players, it's 9 to lynch. Deadline (after thinking about it) is in three weeks from now!
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:24 am

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Vote:PMysterious


Everyone sheep me on this to find potential scum
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:26 am

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Its pretty normal for me to be voted in RVs. Guess what?

VOTE: Undecided

I'm hunting scum. RVs are not my style this time.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:27 am

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So how do you propose we find scum?
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:28 am

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Scum-Hunting of course. What other methods could we use at this time?
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:30 am

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Perhaps we should all try something here.

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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:31 am

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What kind of scumhunting?
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:56 am

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"facepalm"

There are many forms or scumhunting. Do it the way you do it best.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:04 am

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The Mafia engages in crime, and hence consists of criminals. Pirates are also criminals, and moreover, 'Mollie' is clearly an extremely unsubtle anagram for 'Mafia', as long as you substitute a few letters. You really couldn't have made it any easier for us.

VOTE: pirate mollie

Also, Myko, would you please start looking for a replacement for Harpo? He has made a total of five posts, he never picked up the Role PM for his Newbie game, and he hasn't been on the site since the day after he joined. Let's face it - He's dead, Jim.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:10 am

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You know how hard it is to find a 30kb avatar that's not over 100x100 frame that doesn't look like crap?

Well, not very. I'm just picky.

I agree with PM that the RVS is virtually useless. I've never once gotten anything of value out of it, it's best to start discussion right off the bat in a productive way. So I'll ask a couple of questions to each person who's posted thus far.

McStab: Do you feel it's best to pile on a player for a quick lynch to gain information as quickly as possible? Also, have you ever had productive results from the RVS stage at finding scum before? Details on the latter question if you don't mind.

PMysterious: Since you also don't approve of the RVS, what do you plan to do to steer conversation in a productive direction? Essentially, this is an echo of McStab's question as to what kind if scum hunting do you plan on implementing?

Eleison: What is it that you are trying by voting PM? What kind of information would you expect to gain from the wagon?

Maenara: Do you have any comments on the most recent interaction between PM & McStab? Obviously you have participated in RVS, do you have any experiences where it was a productive part of the day and not just a distraction?
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:15 am

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Nothing drives a player to provide quality performance, opinions and information quite like being a small handful of votes from Lynching. I have another reason, but for the sake of obscurity, i'd feel more comfortable revealing that later.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:19 am

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FoS: Smashbard


Whoop whoop, theory discussion. Me no likey. Let it it be said that I think RVS has advantages, and let that be it from me on that topic.

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Never, ever, ever do that there. "I'd feel more comfortable revealing it later"? Really? You're either
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to get shot, or you're trying to breadcrumb (What's a more unsubtle version? Dropping a loaf would be misunderstood, though the connotations thereof are fitting as well) your way out of a future lynch. Me definitely no likey. If you didn't want stuff known, you shouldn't have said it in the first place. Explain now.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:35 am

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I forgot I was in this -_-
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:36 am

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McStab are you scum?
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:40 am

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In post 11, Eleison wrote:Nothing drives a player to provide quality performance, opinions and information quite like being a small handful of votes from Lynching.


I can see the merit of a pressure wagon, but I prefer to save my votes for when I believe I've found scum. After all, a pressure wagon is pointless if the player is aware your vote holds no real suspicion.

I have another reason, but for the sake of obscurity, i'd feel more comfortable revealing that later.


I'll hold you to that.



Maenara: How is it that you don't like theory discussion but were perfectly comfortable wasting time with a silly pirate vote? This is why I don't like RVS, alot of players who participate in it get all bent out of shape when they are expected to actually get serious. In my opinion FoS is useless, if you really have suspicions convey it with a vote. FoS' and HoS' just show a lack of commitment to your reads.

Trying to get Eleison to elaborate on his motives is either panicked rolefishing on your part or reasonable pressure for answers. I'm leaning towards town motivations for you, because I agree that trying to hold secrets out loud this early in the game is not needed.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:43 am

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Looked into Maenara and Smashbard a bit. Both seem to be playing differently from their extant newbie games as scum.
I like Maenara's opening post but voting someone who probably just softclaimed a PR just because they're being stupid is not the way to go about being town.
Eleison, the sake of obscurity? What point is there in being obscure as town?
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:46 am

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You know what, Mae? Just for that, I'll keep it to myself. Try thinking about it, instead of blindly assuming stupidity. That goes for anyone really.

Or better yet, don't. It doesn't matter.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:47 am

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In post 14, evilpacman18 wrote:McStab are you scum?


However, these kind of questions really bug me. I mean, really? What kind of response do you really expect? Weird that you ask McStab specifically, why?

I'll have to look into you as well to see if you ask these kind of questions often as town. Because I don't really see any town motivations for such a useless question.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:50 am

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In post 17, Eleison wrote:You know what, Mae? Just for that, I'll keep it to myself. Try thinking about it, instead of blindly assuming stupidity. That goes for anyone really.

Or better yet, don't. It doesn't matter.



I don't think you're stupid. I think you're reaction fishing. I just don't see how you think it's beneficial on page 1 to openly state you have hidden motivations. It's like Mae said, if you have them, good. But openly saying as much is just putting a bullseye on your back no matter your alignment.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:00 am

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McStab and I recently had an interesting game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23126
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:11 am

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I skimmed a lot of your previous games from the past year, none of them had you as scum. So that doesn't help me much. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. I do however enjoy your style as town. Very short and concise, I hate wall o' texts. So if you're one of the good guys I'm pretty happy.

But seriously, the only two answers you could possibly get from asking "Are you scum" are the obvious "No" or a sarcastic "totally". You gain nothing from such a question.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:14 am

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No totally
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:18 am

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In post 10, Smashbard wrote:
PMysterious: Since you also don't approve of the RVS, what do you plan to do to steer conversation in a productive direction? Essentially, this is an echo of McStab's question as to what kind if scum hunting do you plan on implementing?


I plan on bringing up conversation by thinking about someone over 5 pages and I'll give out my scum reads on Page 6 afterward. For now, just keep posting to your heart's content and keep on hunting.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:18 am

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HA

To elaborate. PMysterious responds terribly to pressure and reveals his role quickly. For example, in that game Evilpacman just described, I figured out PM was a PR based on his very first post. In other games, such as Mini 1361, I've found one of his scumpartners and him being scum based on his actions. Therefore, pressuring PM pays dividends. It is not an RVS.

RVS does help though. To point to specific results would be hard, because you could argue about exactly what constitutes RVS and how much it's impact is on the game. However, virtually anygame that uses it and then properly catch scum can be traced back to RVS at some point.

Although your pointed question-asking works, but I find it still results in the same end. Newbies trip up in either RVS or asking questions, and pressure is applied to determine if they are scum. Then, based off flips, PR results and associative links, more experienced scum are found.

Seriously, pile some votes on PM. I want him pressured; if he starts to fall apart, he's scum.
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