Open 448: Diffusion of Power (Game Over! Scum Win)

[TheReverend]

I'd sooner give my vote to djd, but sure, if those two between them decide a lynch, then sure I give them my vote.

I know I'm flip-flopping a lot here, but as I read through the early days again, especially pasch and venrob in iso, it's becoming clearer and clearer that's it between cogito and fourtrouble. I'm 50-50 on them right now. Eidolon spent a lot of time defending pasch, which really doesn't look good. But psyche was pushing pasch and fourtrouble, while voting for venrob, then got NK'ed. I feel fourtrouble is the person most likely to kill psyche based on removing a threat. But then again maybe the scum figured killing psyche would point at fourtouble and discredit me. Up until the point I started to argue with majiffy and psyche, it seems I was actually getting somewhere. There was a point where I was disecting the active wagons and the attempted wagon at me, and I suggested there were two scum in a pool of four... I named venrob and pasch amongst those names. I shoulda kept looking at those trying to lynch me instead of arguing with town. Seems like I allowed stubborness to distract me from looking in the right places.

djd has a pretty solid town read on majiffy. I think I just got annoyed by majiffy and wanted him to be scum. I just got owned to fuck by djd on the other site we play at, right now the respect I have for his analysis is at a peak. So if he's sure majiffy is town, well I'm more than likely blinkered by stubborness.

I have a town read on rapid. Sure he makes me paranoid, everyone makes me paranoid except the confirmed.

That leaves cogito, fourtrouble and myself. I know my role. I'm confident enough that it's between you both that I'm willing to go to the gallows first if the town promise when I flip town they come after you both.

djd - confirmed town, regardless of majiffy's role.
sotty - confirmed town by confirmed town.
majiffy - djd swears he's town.
rapid - I swear he's town.
reverend - djd owns my soul right now. He says I'm town, he's correct.

fourtrouble - could be scum
cogito - could be scum

The more cogito points the finger at rapid, the more convinced I am cogito is our man.

Cogito, I think you'd be better served reading fourtrouble's iso, and convince us he's a better lynch than you. Because it's out of you both for today.

[FourTrouble]

I don't like FT's post. How exactly does pushing for pasch over TAM make you clear? It doesn't. I hammered pasch happily because I was getting pissed off with the bickering and wanted the day to end, but of course I could be bussing him and faking frustration. I don't expect my pasch hammer to give me a free pass, why the hell should FT get a free pass for pushing pasch over TAM?

Uh, free pass? What are you talking about? I'm just pointing out a reason off the top my head that I think is towny (and hence shouldn't be lynched). Point is, I could easily have switched over to the TAM wagon when it was growing, getting us a TAM lynch instead of a Pasch lynch. Where would that put the town now? Instead, I kept my vote on Pasch. I was even FOS'ed for not changing my vote to TAM. I thought that was something scum wouldn't do, so I offered it as a way to get people to believe I'm town. Why would I do that? Because I want to lynch scum, not town. So I don't really see what's wrong with my post, or why it would make me any more scummy than yourself, rapid, or majiffy.

[FourTrouble]

Is there any reason we're not looking at the possibility that Rev is scum?

[FourTrouble]

FourTrouble's page 17-19 posting on Venrob seems fairly natural and unlikely to come from a scum buddy of Venrob's. Even if you're going to be dumb and mislynch me, lynching rapid and Majiffy if I'm wrong about rapid should give us an excellent shot at winning here.

(More tomorrow as I actually have time then.)

I don't like the buddying in this post - especially since it's happening right after Cogito is put at L-1.

[FourTrouble]

Okay, rapid looks like town to me. Cogito is best lynch for today - Rev is 2nd for me.

Vote: Cogito

[TheReverend]

VOTE: fourtrouble

For the win.

[DoubleJD]

Sorry, i dont think ill be able to do a reread

I will say that yes, i am certain that reverend is town. Strong meta tells.

Jiffy i think is town. Makes too much sense.

Rapid could be foolin. Idk. Lean town for now.

Idk about cogito or 4t. Still lean cogito but cant reread :/

[DoubleJD]

Like seriously though, rev is town. Just trust me on it.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 4.2

Sotty7 (0) -

L-1

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - rapidcanyon, Majiffy, FourTrouble
rapidcanyon (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
FourTrouble (1) - TheReverend
Majiffy (0) -
TheReverend (0) -
DoubleJD (0) -

Not Voting: Sotty7, DoubleJD

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Day 4 deadline is Monday, November 26th at 12:00 pm PST or in (expired on 2012-11-26 12:00:00)

[DoubleJD]

@Sotty: I think CES is scum, because of a few things.

1) Said pasch was town
2) attacked venrob sorta, but didnt actually vote him (its real early in an iso).

I feel trigger happy. Do you think i should be voting FT instead?

[DoubleJD]

^^Ill clarify the above with "no way am i voting anyone else today".

[Majiffy]

I was even FOS'ed for not changing my vote to TAM. I thought that was something scum wouldn't do, so I offered it as a way to get people to believe I'm town. Why would I do that?

Lolololol
VOTE: 4T

[Sotty7]

Is there any reason we're not looking at the possibility that Rev is scum?

Okay, rapid looks like town to me. Cogito is best lynch for today - Rev is 2nd for me.

Vote: Cogito

lol

^^Ill clarify the above with "no way am i voting anyone else today".

Yeah I'm not either. I see what you're saying about how badly CES slot defended Pasch but I am kinda leaning towards a Four lynch first. I strongly believe that we lynch these two and we'll win though. I'm going to do some reading hopefully tonight and place my vote on one of them.

[TheReverend]

I strongly believe that we lynch these two and we'll win though.

I agree. But for the sake of a confirmed villager's opinion, if this gets to lylo, it's obv gonna be me, rapid and maj. Who's more likely out of those left, in your opinion?

I gather djd has rapid > maj > rev, if not please correct me.

[Majiffy]

I'm not sure why there is even discussion or debating going on after 1226.

[rapidcanyon]

What about 1226 makes FT guilty?

[Majiffy]

I was even FOS'ed for not changing my vote to TAM. I thought that was something scum wouldn't do, so I offered it as a way to get people to believe I'm town. Why would I do that?

Lolololol
VOTE: 4T

"Look how town I am, guys! I thought this would make me look town and so I said hey look at it and look how town it makes me!"

Seriously, lynch this mofo.

[DoubleJD]

I missed it cuz i didnt want to read.

I agree with jiffy/sotty.

VOTE: FourTrouble L-1

[DoubleJD]

I want sotty to be the deciding vote. CES, feel free to voice if you feel FT>rapid now, but dont vote it or ill lynch ya!

@Rev: Yes, of those three, thats how i feel.

[Sotty7]

I agree. But for the sake of a confirmed villager's opinion, if this gets to lylo, it's obv gonna be me, rapid and maj. Who's more likely out of those left, in your opinion?

How am I confirmed town exactly?

[Sotty7]

Tired, spent most of the night on my other game.

Will vote here tomorrow afternoon though. Cross my heart.

[TheReverend]

I agree. But for the sake of a confirmed villager's opinion, if this gets to lylo, it's obv gonna be me, rapid and maj. Who's more likely out of those left, in your opinion?

How am I confirmed town exactly?

lolwut? Wakey wakey.

There is one goon. Majiffy has cop confirmed me town. Both of us cannot be scum. QED I must be town.

But you get to be town for that

Also, i have a look up...but i might have fucked it up somehow. Mod hasnt told me yet :/

You did not submit the action properly, so it originally wasn't counted. Check your PMs for the result

K, Sotty7 is town!

You and djd are confirmed town. How do you not know this?

[DoubleJD]

Lul.

Yes, I have night3 cop confirmed sotty7 as town

[FourTrouble]

I dunno what makes me scummy, but whatever.

I point out something about Eidolon I just remembered: when I FOSed Pasch on D2, Eidolon suddenly started FOSing me. She went for. A strong town-read based on my defense of Venrob to a scum-read based in my FoS of Pasch. This I pretty scummy stuff, and definitely the kind of behavior that comes out from scum trying to protect ther partner.

[FourTrouble]

I was even FOS'ed for not changing my vote to TAM. I thought that was something scum wouldn't do, so I offered it as a way to get people to believe I'm town. Why would I do that?

Lolololol
VOTE: 4T

"Look how town I am, guys! I thought this would make me look town and so I said hey look at it and look how town it makes me!"

Seriously, lynch this mofo.

How is it scummy to point out things that make me towny instead of scummy?