Open 448: Diffusion of Power (Game Over! Scum Win)

[Majiffy]

VOTE: FT

Bloody retards.

[TheReverend]

Meh what difference does it make? If it's either you or rapid (or me for that matter) it goes to lylo. If it's one of FT or cogito, we win without a fuss. I didn't feel like cogito was putting up a fight, it felt like a resigned scum, but I was wrong. w/e, so long as it FT then no sweat.

L-2 already. No hurry, we should most defintely wait for everyone to show up before we lynch, especially FT.

[Sotty7]

Any cops before I vote?

[Majiffy]

Cool it's my scumday.

[FourTrouble]

Well, not much I can say to convince you guys I'm town, so whatever. I honestly have no idea whether scum is between Rev, rapid, or majiffy, but I know for sure it's not me.

[FourTrouble]

vote rapid

[rapidcanyon]

So, not even scumhunting now FT? Looks like you gave up and are casting a lazy vote.

[TheReverend]

I don't want to have to read the thread again, please be the scum fourtrouble.

VOTE: fourtrouble

L-1

[rapidcanyon]

I don't think this day will end in any other outcome than FT's lynch. Hopefully it ends the game.

VOTE: FourTrouble

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 5.Final

Sotty7 (0) -
rapidcanyon (1) - FourTrouble

Lynched

FourTrouble (3) - Majiffy, TheReverend, rapidcanyon
Majiffy (0) -
TheReverend (0) -

Not Voting: Sotty7

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

As of Post #1283,

FourTrouble

was lynched. He was a

Town Doctor

Night 5 begins now. Deadline will be Sunday, November 25th at 9:15pm PST or in (expired on 2012-11-25 21:15:00)

[Jackal711]

And Day 6 dawns with only 3 people still alive..

Sotty7

,

Town Cop

, Shot Night 5.

VOTE COUNT 6.0

rapidcanyon (0) -
Majiffy (0) -
TheReverend (0) -

Not Voting: rapidcanyon, Majiffy, TheReverend

With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.

Day 6 deadline will be Sunday, December 9th at 9:15pm PST or in
(expired on 2012-12-09 21:15:00)

[Majiffy]

Well at least this means I was right about one of you.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: RapidCanyon

[rapidcanyon]

Well at least this means I was right about one of you.

Or you are scum.

I figured you would want to go up against me considering I am less likely to vote Rev than the other way around.

The fact that you voted first is a giveaway as well. You supposedly suspect Rev but now you are so certain Rev is town which doesn't match with your earlier behavior.

VOTE: Majiffy

[TheReverend]

wow

[TheReverend]

Proof that I'm not scum, anyway. Reading up right now.

[rapidcanyon]

Okay, Rev is confirmed town because if you were scum, you would have hammered.

[TheReverend]

Right then.

rapid - pros
53 - states clearly that pasch is scum
68 - presses pasch further
97 - votes pasch with a deatiled attack
184 - detailed thoughts, complete with reads list. Names pasch and venrob as key suspects.
253 - huge wall. After reading my linked games he insists votes on me are bad and people should switch to venrob. Updated reads list, adds majiffy to his scum suspects, pasch and venrob remain.
338 - venrob is our best lynch
441 - presses pasch to vote for venrob instead of me
505 - still begging the town to lynch venrob
506 - asks maj why he's not voting for venrob when maj thinks he's scummy
507 - maj votes for venrob, with a "won't be around" comment to boot
518 - pasch calls my post "wisdom" and suggest we should lynch majiffy, at a time when it's obviously a really bad idea
519 - rapid is quick to press pasch on this crazy line of though
553 - more evidence against venrob
582 - another wall of analysis, again names pasch and venrob as scum
725 - quote - "TAM, I don't think you read closely. Me, Rev, Venrob, and DJD think Pasch is scum and wagoned him. Majiffy started diverted attention from him and focussing on me. My vote was on Pasch and still on Pasch. Note how Pasch and Majiffy never even mention each other in their posts? I am thinking scumteam."
771 - back to voting venrob
921 - votes pasch
1150 - n2 cop, guilty verdict on abaddon (venrob's replacement)

rapid - cons
58 / 60 - backtracks on pasch to avoid creating a scene
590 - happy with venrob's analysis
594 - backtracks on venrob, names him as town

The fact rapid was pointing at venrob and pasch early on, I have to question why he didn't get NKed earlier.

Going to read majiffy's iso now.

[rapidcanyon]

Key reasons Majiffy is scum:

- I caught us a scum in Abaddon. Yes, I could possibly be bussing but I had no suspicion on me from anyone except Majiffy at that point. Everyone was convinced I was town. If I were scum, there is literally no reason to shove a teammate down the drain.

- Majiffy voted first with certainty. If he had a scumread on Rev, would he not at least worry about Rev hammering me and winning the game if Rev is scum? Majiffy knows Rev is town.

Pedit: It would have cast a lot of suspicion on Pasch/Venrob if they killed me after I FOSsed them.

I backtracked on Venrob primarily because it seemed to me like he was putting in an effort. He mentioned that he had trouble typing and was doing the best he could and I found it believable. Although once Abaddon starting ignoring the thread when we specifically kept asking him to post analysis, it became a tip off that that slot was scum or at least worthy of an investigation.

[TheReverend]

Ok it's pretty obvious to me who the last scum is. Codex voted for pasch at one stage, that's the only pro I've got from codex. Majiffy storms in and aims straight for me. Majiffy has done very little actual scumhunting, and seems more intent on arguing like shit with people, in particular myself and rapid.

For rapid to be scum, he's played perfectly. He's bussed both of his buddies, he killed one of them with a fake guilty, he's even pretended to scumhunt convincingly. I find it very strange that djd, cogito and sotty all felt rapid was scummier.

My only problem is this... if majiffy is scum, why the hell didn't he NK me and try to win sotty's vote? If he think he can get rapid to vote me, fine, but then you wouldn't storm in on lylo day and slam a vote down for rapid.

That immediate vote for rapid is probably the single most telling piece of evidence against majiffy. Forget the arguing and lack of real scumhunting, he couldn't be bothered to read up at lylo. Had he read the thread and made the right decision, he should've voted me. Compare my iso to rapid's, I'm all over the place. I defended venrob hard while rapid was begging the town to kill him, I flip flopped on paschendale, and insisted psyche was scum, along with my questionable comments early on abour deliberately playing scummy when town. None of this has any significance to majiffy at lylo, and he slams a rapid vote down, banking on getting my vote.

You banked wrong. If rapid is scum, I take my hat off to him, he has played awesome.

majiffy, I'm very likely going to vote for you. You need to convince me I'm making a terrible mistake. I'm going to bed now, I'll log on in 12 hours or so to see what work you've done to show me why rapid is the scum and not you.

pedit - rapid does exctly what I expect town to do... show me, the now confirmed townie, why majiffy is scum.

Majiffy, ball is in your court. I'm hammering if you don't convince me, which I doubt you will.

[rapidcanyon]

Another couple of things:

- Leaving Scotty alive basically means Majiffy is claiming scum. Any scum player would kill the conftown. It is cut and dry. Because if conf-town is alive, she will wonder why she is alive at 3P LYLO and start to suspect Majiffy.

- You are right that his choice of votes doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Town and scum have different motivations is LYLO. Town want to choose the

right

player, not

any

player. Scum want

any

player to get lynched that is not them.

From a scum perspective, Majiffy's choice makes sense: I have been saying Majiffy is scum for a really long time. You have been showing suspicion of me for quite a few days. It is reasonable for Majiffy as scum to expect you to vote me but not consider it very likely to expect me to vote you. Obvious choice is to vote me and hope he can pull it off by convincing you. If he were town, I'd expect him to read and try really hard to figure out which of us is scum since he suspected both of us throughout the game. As town, I don't think he would put his scumread in a position to hammer.

[TheReverend]

If he were town, I'd expect him to read and try really hard to figure out which of us is scum since he suspected both of us throughout the game.

For sure. I was expecting both of you to at least pretend you'd read up on both the others and presented reasoning for your votes.

Assuming majiffy is town, he should be in a tough spot. If he's town, he's basically thrown the dice. He's gambling, rather than trying to give himself the best chance of figuring out who the scum is.

Assuming he's scum, he's made a really bad play here. Maybe he knew he couldn't provide a convincing enough case on rapid or me, and was hoping I'd be stupid enough to just jump on the rapid wagon based on the opinions of our recently departed friends.

Anyway, I'm not going to hammer until majiffy has replied, or at least it's obvious he's given up. I'm in no hurry.

[Majiffy]

Look at the time between my two posts you dolt. I read ISOs of both of you. I voted Rapid for two reasons; 1) vote switching between me and Pasch in the middle/endish area of his ISO shows he really wanted to get the mislynch and save Pash but eventually had no choice but to bus, and 2) Rev's reaction test and subsequent unvote made no sense from scum at that point in the game.

Reverend think about it logically; Rapid left you alive because he wouldn't have to work hard to get you to vote me. Why the hell would I keep both of you alive knowing that either one of you could very easily just storm in like "LOLMAJIFFY" and vote me?

Anyway, I'm done. If you hammer me, you're a fucking moron. Which wouldn't really surprise me.

[rapidcanyon]

- I switched between Majiffy, Pasch, and TAM since all seemed scummy. TAM/Pasch were basically interchangeable.
- Interesting that Majiffy tries to WIFOM and say I left you alive so you'd vote him when a) You have shown a lot of suspicion of me even after I got a guilty on Abaddon. b) The last two kill choices were on confirmed town. It is not like scum had a

choice

on who to kill.

[TheReverend]

Majiffy you do yourself no favours at all. Saying things like "hammer me you're a moron" just doesn't cut it. I've thought you were scum since day fucking one. The only reason I considered you were town is because djd was insisting you were town. But, he can be wrong, and on this occasion, I think he is wrong.

And you bring out the stubborness in me. I can happily lose to scum of rapid's calibre, for him to be scum his performance is that which deserves victory. You, on the other hand, I just can't accept losing to scum majiffy after the way you've played.

VOTE: majiffy

It's not even close. If you're the scum rapid, well played. I seriously don't think you are.