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[Aeris]

Leafsnail - why call put tierce for going for an l-1 push and not parama for actually putting tug at l-1?

It's not that strong an accusation (more a semi-RVS thing) and I think Parama has the bigger problem of not making any sense at all right now. But why ask a question about this if you're going to support my approach in your next post?
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I dont follow your question. My approving of your line of questioning doesnt really matter to the question i asked. Two people committed a similar action, why would you only question one of them about their motives?

[Konowa]

Aeris, I asked you because in 58 you gave reasoning for you two other reads. I wanted to see if you actually had a legit read on Leaf. Since you've come out and clarified that you aren't a newbie, I shouldn't have to say that "generating discussion" isn't really a town tell.

I didn't ask TuG because I think I'm starting to understand Thor a little bit better. Being a hydra isn't going to help, but I want to observe for a little before I interact with them.

[Aeris]

Ah. Actually me giving a reason for parama is the odd thing for me as I don't tend to give a bunch of reasons for town reads. However, I had an initial gut scum read on parama that changed for the reasons I gave. So, the reasons were me working out my read there.

As far as leaf - I like the way he's going about generating discussion. And no generating discussion isn't a big town tell, but we're on page 4 and I like what I see so far. I also liked admitting that in rvs he pushes on weak things to get reactions. Felt town.

[Tierce]

I don't like tierce's repsonses to leaf though. Don't know why she didn't just say what she was doing and needed to point out it wasn't a scum tell.

VOTE: tierce

...

He was voting me for a reason that makes no sense, what am I expected to do? You're saying that me refuting a nonsensical accusation is scummy? O_o

Not necessarily. It looked to me like he was trying to get a read on you. The thing that struck me as odd was the 'not a scum tell' part. I just wanted you to respond some more to see if my initial gut read had anything to it.

No, you're saying exactly that. You apparently have a gut scum read on me, and you're saying that me refuting something as an absurd accusation to make (i.e. "you are voting me for doing something that, in truth, is not a scumtell") is 'odd'. What does 'odd' mean? You are clearly classifying 'odd' as scummy here, since you're voting me for it:

I don't like tierce's repsonses to leaf though. Don't know why she didn't just say what she was doing and needed to point out it wasn't a scum tell.

VOTE: tierce

In what world is showing that I didn't do a scummy action

scummy

?

[Tierce]

...And writing #78 turned my brain into a pretzel. It's turtles all the way down.

Aeris, the point is that you are describing my response to Leafsnail as 'odd' and voting me. My response to Leafsnail was clarifying what I did and why this is not scummy/"a scum tell". How is doing that scummy? How is defending oneself of (in Leafsnail's own words) "a weak accusation", something that is scummy? Players are expected to defend themselves regardless of alignments, and being able to deconstruct bad arguments is not exclusive property of scum players.

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

don't see what tug is going on about them as anything really.

We literally went through, step by step, and explained it in a post dedicated to explaining our Parama read after being asked to explain the Parama read.
What parts don't you grok?

@Tierce - you feel very agitated, is this just me?

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

I didn't ask TuG because I think I'm starting to understand Thor a little bit better. Being a hydra isn't going to help, but I want to observe for a little before I interact with them.

[Konowa]

Beard.

Not fearsome.

[Aeris]

Okay 79 is better as far as I can follow. I actually missed the first bit in Post 30 where you refuted the first accusation, and just saw the 'it's not a scum tell'. Why I thought it was a bit odd was that rather than say, "it's not a scum tell", I'd expect something more along the lines of why it could benefit town for putting someone at l-2 or l-1 early, such as looking for reactions either from the wagonee or from other players. So the immediate defense struck me as odd. However, looking back that's not what you were doing with parama as it looks like a pure rvs joke vote, so that thought is probably totally invalid.

Really, don't mind me. I should have just prod-dodged today instead of trying to force myself to focus on something when I just can't. Hopefully tomorrow this damn headache will be gone.

UNVOTE:

[Aeris]

don't see what tug is going on about them as anything really.

We literally went through, step by step, and explained it in a post dedicated to explaining our Parama read after being asked to explain the Parama read.
What parts don't you grok?

I grok it, just thought it fell flat.

[Tierce]

@Tierce - you feel very agitated, is this just me?

Yes. I've been in a pretty mellow mood and I'm clearly taking this game slowly.

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

@Aeris - So to indicate that you understood it but thought it was weak you said "don't see" about the point of our case...?

@Tierce - read on Aeris.

[Tierce]

None yet.

[Vi]

~Vote Count III

Parama (L-3)

~ TwoUpstandingGentlemen, Leafsnail

Aeris (L-3)

~ F-16_Fighting_Falcon,

(Parama),

Konowa

TwoUpstandingGentlemen (L-4)

~

(Konowa,) (F-16_Fighting_Falcon,)

Tierce,

(Parama)

Konowa (L-4)

~ Trevor

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (L-4)

~ Parama

Tierce (L-5)

~

(Leafsnail,) (Aeris)

Not Voting:

(Aeris,)

theaceofspades,

(Konowa),

Aeris

--With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
--Deadline is December 15, 2012 (in (expired on 2012-12-15 21:00:00)).

[Leafsnail]

I am voting Fighting
And?

Missed that. Your provided reasoning seems to have nothing to do with your conclusions though (and in my case is contradictory). I'm not sure if this is some kind of wacky RIA strategy but it sure as hell doesn't look town.

I dont follow your question. My approving of your line of questioning doesnt really matter to the question i asked. Two people committed a similar action, why would you only question one of them about their motives?

Fair enough. I think we've established that just because I try making an allegation at RVS doesn't mean I'll be reflexively making that same allegation throughout the entire game.

None yet.

Read on any other player at all?

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

Beard.

Not fearsome.

He's Good Cop, I'm Bad Cop.

-Majiffy

[Konowa]

This was along my read.

[Trevor]

Sorry guys, still posting from my phone until tomorrow. Gave the game a reread though

Only interesting thing that has happened so far died out just as fast as it started. TUG had no reaction to it at all.

Seems like Leafsnail and Konowa only post in questions

VOTE: Aeris

List of questions feel contrived as if you don't have anything valuable to add but are desperately posting fluff.

Vote: Fighting

[Tierce]

None yet.

Read on any other player at all?

Nothing that I care to share at the moment.

[TwoUpstandingGentlemen]

Only interesting thing that has happened so far died out just as fast as it started. TUG had no reaction to it at all.

Checking you in ISO I'm guessing you had no reaction to it either.
So I'll just presume it actually wasn't relevant or interesting at all.

What's your Parama read?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

But FF you can now point out what is contrived about the questions. I actually want to know the answers to those things.

At the time I voted, it was partly a gut feeling. The way you made 3 questions to 3 separate people made me feel as though it was not spontaneous. Also, you say "

if he was a scum read, why not vote him

?" and "

I want to vote parama for apparently not knowing who boy George is

" came off as dissonant and my general feeling about your post was that it was scummy.

I know it is not a very good reason but it was a start and I voted anyways because it would generate discussion and hopefully make someone react in a scummy/townish way.

Your reaction was townish since you insisted that I explain my reads, didn't jump to conclusions, and wanted more discussion.

Trevor's reaction was scummy. Just a quote and a vote. No comments. Opportunistic as well since I have started arguing with a player meaning I have my hands full. Best move for scum is to jump in hoping that they won't be attacked because I was already busy attacking another player.

VOTE: Aeris

List of questions feel contrived as if you don't have anything valuable to add but are desperately posting fluff.

Vote: Fighting

Trevor, what is the reasoning for your vote?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Trevor

[Parama]

and no comment on my vote/post?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Null because you are trolling.

[Parama]

No
I'm serious now

Guys
100% scum here