Micro 178: the Curse of Peladon - Game over!

[Maestro]

*sigh*

fucking Tierce

I need a reread and time to get my head back in this game

also Cheery, I still think of myself as inexperienced

[Maestro]

UNVOTE:

[Tierce]

...

Three pages.

How can people have issues with rereading time when you're posting all over the site and the game has

three pages

? It's not like they are made of walls.

[Maestro]

posting all over the site

this would be WHY I have problems with rereading time...

[Tierce]

That sounds like it's your problem, not mine. (>")>

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote Count

Cheery Dog - 2(TMTOLBTWNTOF, orozorro)

Not Voting - 4(Tierce, Maestro, Cheery Dog, Desperado)

[orozorro]

Town- orozorro > Tierce > Desperado > Maestro > Cheery Dog -Scum

Just so you all understand where my town and scum reads are at

Why do you see me as your strongest townread?

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Town- orozorro > Tierce > Desperado > Maestro > Cheery Dog -Scum

Just so you all understand where my town and scum reads are at

Why do you see me as your strongest townread?

Because you're the only one acknowledging Cheery Dog's blatant actions.
Maestro seems to be completely ignoring them, but I'll wait for his post-unvote post. If that makes sense.

[Desperado]

There were, but I saw a bunch of posts that didn't seem relevant (13-16 to be precise) and didn't think there was anything worth paying attention to. Obviously I was wrong. I'll never make that mistake again, I'll tell you that much.

So had I not voted then, you would have been fine with having him at L-1 as you would have put him there yourself?

How did you draw this conclusion from what you quoted me saying?

Had I put Jake on L-1 with that vote instead of hammering him I likely would have unvoted as soon as a I realized what had happened.

Because Jake was on L-2 as of post 12.
You mentioned 13-16 as not being relevant, I therefore assume you read that there was a vote change amongst them/before them even if you did ignore my L-1 vote.

I knew that Jake had votes but not how many.

ask Tierce what the "optimal play" is for PLing some derp who quickhammers D1, P1 and then tries to active lurk and AtE his way out of suspicion

I was townreading you for your reaction yesterday, but this is kind of bothersome. Would you care to justify your accusations or can we just chalk this up to frustration and move on? I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are too, so let's find scum.

Town- orozorro > Tierce > Desperado > Maestro > Cheery Dog -Scum

Just so you all understand where my town and scum reads are at

Agreed on Tierce and Maestro, but what's with the Oro town read?

didn't see it, my b

ask Tierce what the "optimal play" is for PLing some derp who quickhammers D1, P1 and then tries to active lurk and AtE his way out of suspicion

Not policy lynching in a situation where it's likely 4:2 sounds like a pretty damn good "optimal play".

How is Desperado active lurking and AtEing?

general posting habit just seems more reactionary than anything else, it's more a general feel since "active lurking" is subjective and impossible to prove.

also, RE: AtE - the several times his quickhammer has been even remotely brought up (which isn't nearly enough, IMO) he almost uses it as a means to defend past actions while deflecting off himself. he appeals to some kind of pity or remorse in me that wants to say "aw, it's alright you fucked up" but he's not really even admitting that much, he'd rather look at the shit other people have supposedly pulled and let TREWRTREWERTY fight his little battle for him so I'm having a hard time thinking the entire thing comes from a Town mindset

Oh you did try to justify them. The bolded in particular is really bad. You accused of me active lurking, presumably with some sort of thought process included behind it, but after someone asks you to elaborate, active lurking is subjective and impossible to prove so it's just my "general posting habit," which you have fully analyzed after nine posts?

All of your points about AtE are just empty. If you think it isn't being talked about enough, why aren't you doing anything about it? "he'd rather look at the shit other people have supposedly pulled" what is this even in reference to? And regardless of your answer to that question, are you saying that I'm scum for scumhunting? If no, then can you explain the difference betwen "looking into shit other people have supposedly pulled" and scumhunting? Am I supposed to be dwelling on what happened D1?

UNVOTE:

...oh. Ok then.

Town- orozorro > Tierce > Desperado > Maestro > Cheery Dog -Scum

Just so you all understand where my town and scum reads are at

Why do you see me as your strongest townread?

Reads:

Town - Tierce - TMTOLBTWNTOF ---- Maestro - Cheery Dog - Orozorro - Scum

I feel really good about Tierce and TMTOLBTWNTOF, and like that they are both engaging the situation critically, asking the right questions, and drawing reasonable conclusions. They're town.

I have no idea about Maestro. He seemed really set on lynching me (and I was townreading him for it), but the "case" he tried to pin on me based on my D2 play was lackluster, and the unvote after getting pressured by TMTOLBTWNTOF and Tierce reads like scum wilting. TBD

Which leaves Cheery and Orozorro. TMTOLBTWNTOF's Cheery case is decent, but Oro's #59 is both a blatant sheep of it

and

a fencesit as he leaves his options open to vote me in case Maestro's policy gets legs. He needs rope.

Vote: Orozorro

[Desperado]

Town- orozorro > Tierce > Desperado > Maestro > Cheery Dog -Scum

Just so you all understand where my town and scum reads are at

Why do you see me as your strongest townread?

Because you're the only one acknowledging Cheery Dog's blatant actions.
Maestro seems to be completely ignoring them, but I'll wait for his post-unvote post. If that makes sense.

Acknowledging or sheeping? Reread his #59 and tell me you really think he's approaching the game as critically as you and Tierce are.

[orozorro]

Reads:

Which leaves Cheery and Orozorro. TMTOLBTWNTOF's Cheery case is decent, but Oro's #59 is both a blatant sheep of it

and

a fencesit as he leaves his options open to vote me in case Maestro's policy gets legs. He needs rope.

Vote: Orozorro

Do you not think that TMT and I share a good reason for suspecting Cheery?

@Maestro

, what do you think of Cheery? Do you think he's town or scum? Would you be happy to lynch him if nobody wants to lynch Desperado?

[Maestro]

I just wrapped a Modded Newbie which I've kindof been lurking so lemme see if I can get back into this, I know there's not much I've just kindof lapsed since the QL and I'd be the first to admit that in my lapse I probably subconsciously lashed out at who I thought would require the least effort, that being said I'm just a little busy IRL too so I'll try and get back in this tonight or tomorrow

[Desperado]

Do you not think that TMT and I share a good reason for suspecting Cheery?

I think that TMT has a good reason for suspecting Cheery and that you sheeped that reason.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

I'd be the first to admit that in my lapse I probably subconsciously lashed out at who I thought would require the least effort

Is it bad that I don't know whether that's a super town tell or a super scum tell

[Desperado]

I'd be the first to admit that in my lapse I probably subconsciously lashed out at who I thought would require the least effort

Is it bad that I don't know whether that's a super town tell or a super scum tell

I'm having the same internal debate, leaning towards the former

[Cheery Dog]

I knew that Jake had votes but not how many.

Post 24 tells me you knew of 2 votes on him, so we are to be assuming you still posted having seen more votes in the p-edits?

[Desperado]

I knew that Jake had votes but not how many.

Post 24 tells me you knew of 2 votes on him, so we are to be assuming you still posted having seen more votes in the p-edits?

Yes

[Cheery Dog]

I knew that Jake had votes but not how many.

Post 24 tells me you knew of 2 votes on him, so we are to be assuming you still posted having seen more votes in the p-edits?

Yes

So therefore you did were willing to put him on L-1 yourself

[Desperado]

I knew that Jake had votes but not how many.

Post 24 tells me you knew of 2 votes on him, so we are to be assuming you still posted having seen more votes in the p-edits?

Yes

So therefore you did were willing to put him on L-1 yourself

I was not thinking in these terms while making my RVS vote. I knew Jake had votes, but not how many, or how close to a lynch he was, or even that 4 votes = L-1, and in this hypothetical scenario where you don't post, once I realized that my fourth vote was the L-1 vote I would have taken it off.

What do you think about Orozorro?

[Tierce]

V/LA over Memorial Weekend.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

So therefore you did were willing to put him on L-1 yourself

I knew Jake had votes, but not how many, or how close to a lynch he was, or even that 4 votes = L-1, and in this hypothetical scenario where you don't post, once I realized that my fourth vote was the L-1 vote I would have taken it off.
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Note that although I don't think Cheery Dog is asking a good question, or a useful one at that, Desperado's defense to this is not a legitimate defense, seeing as we have no idea what you would or would not do.

[Desperado]

Garbage in, garbage out. How else am I supposed to answer his question than by telling you what I would do?

[Cheery Dog]

I was not thinking in these terms while making my RVS vote. I knew Jake had votes, but not how many, or how close to a lynch he was, or even that 4 votes = L-1, and in this hypothetical scenario where you don't post, once I realized that my fourth vote was the L-1 vote I would have taken it off.

What do you think about Orozorro?

The fact it's a micro means that you should be aware 4 votes is L-1. (blah blah 4am shits)

I think Orozorro is likely town, I'm confused by TMT though.

[Desperado]

I was not thinking in these terms while making my RVS vote. I knew Jake had votes, but not how many, or how close to a lynch he was, or even that 4 votes = L-1, and in this hypothetical scenario where you don't post, once I realized that my fourth vote was the L-1 vote I would have taken it off.

What do you think about Orozorro?

The fact it's a micro means that you should be aware 4 votes is L-1. (blah blah 4am shits)

I think Orozorro is likely town, I'm confused by TMT though.

You're right, I should have.

What are you confused by?

[Cheery Dog]

What his case on me is