NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition

[ElectricSavages]

Votecount 1.4

Yunichikawowwow [8]

- Garmr, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, Dry-fit, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV

Bulbazak [3]

- ArcAngel9, mastin 2, Yunichikawowwow

Yiley [1]

- Toomai

Toomai [1]

- Maxous

JKLM [1]

- Matias

Desperado [1]

- aptil

Not Voting [4]

- T S O, Lawrencelot, evilpacman18, OhGodMyLife

With 19 alive, it takes

10[/i]

votes to lynch.

Deadline is on the 23^rd of December 2013 at 10am GMT ((expired on 2013-12-23 10:00:00))

T S O and Lawrencelot have (expired on 2013-12-04 10:00:00) left to confirm before replacement

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[mastin2]

Yunichikawowwow [7] - Garmr,

Slandaar

,

Desperado

,

Bulbazak

,

Dry-fit

,

Yiley

, JKLM

It crosses my mind that, this being a multiscum game, we're going to be bandwagon happy, since scum can and will be legitimately scumhunting. In a case like this with a wagon getting to L-3 so soon into the day, for instance, it definitely feels like 2-4 scum are here, thinking that Yunichika is opposite-scum, when in fact it's quite highly probable she's neither.

Bolded in particular are figures of interest, and italicized are minor figure of interest. (Note that doesn't mean I think the bolded are scum. I've just been keeping a much, MUCH closer eye on them than the others.)

[Bulbazak]

Why aren't you considering JKLM?

[mastin2]

Initate Buddy Effect

Mastin is town.

Yes, but I'm not writing you off as being a cheeky scumbag yet.

You put the wagon to L-2. Consider yourself a second italicized name on there.

(It should really say something that the towniest names I see on the wagon are Garmr and JKLM. That NEVER bodes well for a wagon. )a

[mastin2]

Why aren't you considering JKLM?

Because JKLM looks to be town to me, albeit admittedly not nearly as strongly as I'd prefer him to be.

But all the bolded/italicized? Are basically null (I can maybe see Slandaar or Desp or PV reads changing, but they're figures of interest because I'm not feeling them strongly to be town like I should be), or maybe scum.

[mastin2]

'Course. Even assuming there

were

four scum on the wagon, that'd still be ~2 off of it, so let's look at the remainder.

Bulbazak [3]

- ArcAngel9, mastin 2, Yunichikawowwow

Yiley [1]

- Toomai

Toomai [1]

- Maxous

JKLM [1]

- Matias

Desperado [1]

- aptil

Not Voting [4]

- T S O, Lawrencelot, evilpacman18, OhGodMyLife

The Bulbazak wagon I'm decently certain is all town.
Maxous is a minor scumread of mine, though it's been so long since I've played with him that I really forget the towntells/scumtells I used to nail his ass. (And Maxous has probably changed them anyway, making them useless. >_<)
Toomai is basically nullish-town, emphasis on null. My gut reaction to Toomai was town, but that reaction isn't so much for Toomai's posting so much as it is people's REACTIONS to Toomai's posting.
Matias is null and likely will stay there for quite a while; I want him to establish a footing in this game so that we can get more easily acquainted. (If he doesn't get his footing, and doesn't ask for replacement, though, he'll be scum. )
Aptil is similar to Toomai. I'm guessing town, but it's just that, a wild mass guess off of literally nothing.

Leaves the Not Voting pile. Which is, y'know, basically the players who haven't checked in yet. Which, y'know. Basically means null-aside-from-refuge-in-audacity-guesses.
...But just for teh lulz, let's make a refuge-in-audacity guess

anyway

and say they're all town.


This isn't nearly solidified enough for me to flip the switch, but it's probably the fastest I've gotten to feeling like I'll be flipping it soon.

[Toomai]

unvote, vote: Toomai

Clearly I was sleepy this morning.
Garmr's right, wtf was that comment.

Non-sequitur-ness of the original comment really irked me; I felt obliged to say something about it. I went for the "sure whatever bro" instead of the "where'd you come up with this" or the "no I was actually watching curling".

mastin2's probably right, there's probably a lotta scum on that wagon. I think Slandaar or Yiley are most likely right now (one for getting on the wagon just after the "first" votecount, the other for wanting to be on a wagon and hopping on a weak poke).

[PeregrineV]

Initate Buddy Effect

Mastin is town.

Yes, but I'm not writing you off as being a cheeky scumbag yet.

OK.

You put the wagon to L-2. Consider yourself a second italicized name on there.

Yeah, after continuing to read, I was somewhat dismayed that the wagon grew so quickly. But then Yuni gave 68. It did not appease my inner suspiciate, so vote remains.

[PeregrineV]

@Mastin- 105 has way too many townreads for a game that is supposed to be multi-scum.

Flip it and say 50% of the "Not Voting" is scum.

[mastin2]

@Mastin- 105 has way too many townreads for a game that is supposed to be multi-scum.

Nope! Multiscum doesn't mean "everyone's scum". It just means that there are more scum than normal. With only 19 players, that's pretty damn guaranteed to be three per faction, making six total scum.

Furthermore

, because there's six total scum, I should have ~12 townreads, which is more or less the total you come out with when you look at my post.

Honestly, I think that there's 3-5 scum on the Yunichika wagon now that I think about it (I sincerely doubt both scumreads have the entirety of their teams on there, hilarious as that may be to try ), and that the remaining 1-3 are off it. You're assuming that these numbers are arbitrary, but they're not. You're also assuming that I'm making blind assumptions, but I'm not. Of the [1] voters, the ones that stick out the most to me are Maxous and Matias. Of the Not Voters, they're basically mostly null, but I have ideas on some of them that if true would make them town, ideas I haven't followed through and researched, but which exist all the same.

[aptil]

I don't understand the Bulb wagon . 1 vote is random . 1 vote is a sheep vote . 1 vote was a vote by other player to try and start a counter-wagon to their own wagon .
@mastin : Why do you think yuni is innocent ?

[mastin2]

I don't understand the Bulb wagon . 1 vote is random . 1 vote is a sheep vote . 1 vote was a vote by other player to try and start a counter-wagon to their own wagon .
@mastin : Why do you think yuni is innocent ?

Aptil can be scum with Bulbazak, but otherwise is probably town.

To answer...it's a combination of seeing town in Yuni's posts and seeing scum scumhunting Yuni via voting her. By which, I mean, seeing her wagon, its speed, its composition, the reasoning behind voting, and everything, basically being a signature multiscum move, of scum voting her thinking she's scum, when in truth she isn't.

[Bulbazak]

Multiscum doesn't mean "everyone's scum". It just means that there are more scum than normal.

Actually, it's the same amount of scum, just split up into multiple teams.

[PeregrineV]

@Mastin- 105 has way too many townreads for a game that is supposed to be multi-scum.

Nope! Multiscum doesn't mean "everyone's scum". It just means that there are more scum than normal. With only 19 players, that's pretty damn guaranteed to be three per faction, making six total scum.

Furthermore

, because there's six total scum, I should have ~12 townreads, which is more or less the total you come out with when you look at my post.

Honestly, I think that there's 3-5 scum on the Yunichika wagon now that I think about it (I sincerely doubt both scumreads have the entirety of their teams on there, hilarious as that may be to try ), and that the remaining 1-3 are off it. You're assuming that these numbers are arbitrary, but they're not. You're also assuming that I'm making blind assumptions, but I'm not. Of the [1] voters, the ones that stick out the most to me are Maxous and Matias. Of the Not Voters, they're basically mostly null, but I have ideas on some of them that if true would make them town, ideas I haven't followed through and researched, but which exist all the same.

Yeah, Maxous is your off-the-wagon, meaing you thinking a full HALF of the Yuni voters are scum.

Anything specific about the 5 scummiest?

(And note this is not agreement, this is brain-picking)

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand the Bulb wagon . 1 vote is random . 1 vote is a sheep vote . 1 vote was a vote by other player to try and start a counter-wagon to their own wagon .
@mastin : Why do you think yuni is innocent ?

The 3-vote Bulb wagon?

Do you understand the Yuni wagon, because it seems you do by inference. If you do, please explain it.

[mastin2]

Actually, it's the same amount of scum, just split up into multiple teams.

The only options are 4 or 6.
4 is the same as in the normal Fire & Ice, a mini-sized open. I don't see the mods doing that.
So, 6. Which given the number of players, IS a bit more than normal.

\you thinking a full HALF of the Yuni voters are scum.
Anything specific about the 5 scummiest?

Yup! Scumdriven wagon is, well...scum-driven.

And, no. Nothing specific. I've got eight names on there, and SIX of them look like they could be scum, you among them.

Do you understand the Yuni wagon, because it seems you do by inference. If you do, please explain it.

(You're still on it, PV. )

[Dry-fit]

Yuni's response to her wagon looked townish.

Unvote.

About mastin's townslip: I see it, but it's not the kind of thing I put a ton of stock in. Calling a townslip on yourself is always questionable as well.

Maxous seems town to me based on the last game I played with him but not a super strong read.

No one looks particularly scummy at the moment but I can see Toomai as scum.

Vote: Toomai.

[mastin2]

Dry-fit just took a triple-hit to his chances of being town.
...AT LEAST a triple-hit, actually.

When not pressed for time, I'll explain.

[Matias]

Holy shit.

I know this game is in serious mode right now but I've had NO time to look at it. Post tonight.

[Matias]

In a nutshell:

Yunichikawowwow [8] - Garmr, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, Dry-fit, Yiley, JKLM, PeregrineV

There is DEFINITELY at least one scum on this wagon, if not multiple.

I am not sure of my thoughts on Yuni's alignment, however, from the little I've scanned of this game.

Unvote

[PeregrineV]

Do you understand the Yuni wagon, because it seems you do by inference. If you do, please explain it.

(You're still on it, PV. )

Yeah, but that's different. I didn't like the lack of initial RVS vote when it could have been made, but she explained that.

But then, her bad reads list in 68 means I keep my vote there.

And I'm town, so my reasons are legit.

I want to hear Aptil's thoughts, since her post skipped the biggest wagon to express concern for the tiny 3 person wagon on Bulba.

[Garmr]

@Mastin

That's a possibility that the wagon has 3-5 scum on is possible but I was thinking 2-4 Because I think Scum would also like to distance themselves from each other. But even with that you missed out on pointing out something vital. Even with that number of scum on the wagon there is still a good chance Yunichikawowwow Is still scum herself. But I have a feeling you left that out your post on purpose to catch scum dropping off the wagon like flies at the slightest chance they may be pinned as scummy/Able to keep a partner in the game.

[Maxous]

Non-sequitur-ness of the original comment really irked me; I felt obliged to say something about it. I went for the "sure whatever bro" instead of the "where'd you come up with this" or the "no I was actually watching curling".

I do like this response

hrrmm

[Garmr]

@Maxous

unvote, vote: Toomai

Clearly I was sleepy this morning.
Garmr's right, wtf was that comment.

The reason I said look at it in none alignment way was I was trying to get you to think. I didn't want to shove Ideas into your head so what I wanted you to see and figure out for yourself was the effect he wanted from his post. Which was distance.

Since we have two scum team distance is going to play a big part in scum hunting since scum will be legit hunting. The next step I was going to ask you to do was think this was this town trying to distance themselves from potential buddying or scum trying to stop a scum slip.

[Garmr]

^and now i fudge up because I limited your answers to what I was thinking. What I should of said was now think of a alignment related reason why he would want to distance himself.