Mini 1531 ~ Mafia Pinnipedum (Game Over!)

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VOTE: Bo

srs vote is srs

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more than two games, probs

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but, is it so bad that I want to have a little fun before scumcho messes everything up, bo?

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the subject of DDD acting abnormally?

I don't see how that makes him scum, and Cabd/mala defending them even more so

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and...

the game just started, I don't expect people to go into actual content yet. not with half the player list not yet here.

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Pedit: I can be abrasive Kaze~~

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So you agree he's acting abnormally, Plague? And how so?

I'm not sold on any of my suspects yet. I'm more curious as to what everyone else thinks of the DDD wagon and DDD's actions, because while I find them suspicious, someone else might find them typical because they've played more games with him.

Given my limited experience with him, he is acting a little abnormal but not by a whole lot.

Ser Daniel is probably town, I don't really find any scum motivation behind his actions and the wagon has grown a little to fast for my liking.

Pedit: I can be abrasive Kaze~~

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Threaten me with your thoughts on Plum, instead.

Why, is something wrong with her?

I think she'f fantastic.

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I think she's funny?

and, by starting the wagon, she (and not getting off I guess) she is pushing for something to talk about. I may not like the wagon, but it doesn't necessarily mean I don't like the players on it.

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Why don't you do me a favor, and help me get another wagon going, though <3

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also!

the first person to get on the wagon is statistically less likely to be scum compared to the 3rd or 4th person on a wagon!

Guess that also means that I should be suspecting kanye, but... the person who didn't want to be in that spot is far more suspicious

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You totally missed the meaning of that post.

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am I really that bad LLD?

Bo, I was asking you to self-vote~~

but

UNVOTE:

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yes

yes I am

and I want nacho to comment and make some reads on this player list and what has happened before someone gets lynched and we die.

because Nacho always die super early for some reason, I hope that this player list off-sets that, but I can't be to sure~~

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I also have to go to bed, and I don't trust any of you guys to not do anything drastic while I'm not here

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I AM THE KING OF SEALS

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Srsly?

How many tries is it gonna take before you read me as town when I'm town Marangal?

(Or is this Nacho?)

I would probably drag the vote off you if you didn't suggest that I was Mara.

Yay

More votes

Oh now I see, I'm suspicious for not wanting to be the first vote on a wagon?

Even though, at this point, absolutely no one seems remotely interested in joining me?

Whatever, I'll try anyway.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plum

Though I'm sure this is a useless vote change anyway since everyone will be on my ass.

You know I would expect this kind of post from someone who joined two years later than you did, but not from you. Don't you know how to push wagons by now, Bo?

kanye town, don't give a shit about anything else

Vote: Does Bo Know

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Then vote DBK and don't worry your pretty little head about keeping track anyways.

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Hi ffery

What do you think of a truce d1? No suspecting each other, no paranoia, nothing and that the other as if we were masons.

Additionally, what so you think of making an artificial town block consisting of you, us, mala/cadb, and kaze?

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Huh

Well; could of, should of, would of

Chosen mafia.

The chance that we are all town is better Than that game but still not entirely likely. We all have had a fair amount of games with the other and we know moth about each other than we do the others in those game.

The others in this game not in the block are arguably strong though they lack the familiarity that would make this block work.

We all also have records of letting our pride/paranoia/w/e he tuck get in the way ogre our acumen hunting and if we take that out of the equation it'll make for a much more cohesive and successful game.

(I also have needs and macho into here to fulfill them, and you got me in this game in the first place)

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I don't see anything bolded

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DDD is

probably

similar to me; he doesn't bother voting in RVS and waits for things to shake out, kind of like he said. He's certainly more town than you are at the moment.

Can anyone actually be more believable whether DDD is normally like this in RVS? The fact Club is trying to stick up for DDD based on a "probably" seems a little suspicious.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DDD

The quote is in reference to this. Should help with the bolded part wrt context

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yes

yes I am

and I want nacho to comment and make some reads on this player list and what has happened before someone gets lynched and we die.

because Nacho always die super early for some reason, I hope that this player list off-sets that, but I can't be to sure~~

You're thinking someone's gonna quickhammer before you're back online?

Good stuff an active game, very active, also seems I am in the wrong time zone, seven pages and all I am getting is the "why Bo did you vote for Plum" saga..

my time zone is CET +3/GMT +4

I have to agree with these two posts 164 and 166 ..

I have no clue who half of you are, but apparently you are all fairly well experienced, great. I have though played in a game or two with Bo, DDD and Nachomamma and currently in a game with P_A.

getting back to Bo and Plum. so Bo your vote on Plum is explained in 146 ?

Hi. ffery/Rift Adrift here.

You seem somewhat less opinionated about the early game than I recall from On a Boat.

Hi ffery

What do you think of a truce d1? No suspecting each other, no paranoia, nothing and that the other as if we were masons.

Additionally, what so you think of making an artificial town block consisting of you, us, mala/cadb, and kaze?

O hai Trolling Fairy.

Huh

Well; could of, should of, would of

Chosen mafia.

The chance that we are all town is better Than that game but still not entirely likely. We all have had a fair amount of games with the other and we know moth about each other than we do the others in those game.

The

others in this game

not in the block are arguably strong though they lack the familiarity that would make this block work.

We all also have records of letting our pride/paranoia/w/e he tuck get in the way ogre our acumen hunting and if we take that out of the equation it'll make for a much more cohesive and successful game.

(I also have needs and macho into here to fulfill them, and you got me in this game in the first place)

Do you think that Chosen would have worked out better if we had taken Mastin's suggestion?

What others in this game are you talking about?

Your autofill applet is hilariously awesome.[/quote]

Yeah, I was a little worried about that actually

And I asked for the in thread masonry, not nacho

Re Martin, I do think the game might have gone a lit better if we had tskencmastins advice.

Three would ave been less fitting amongst town and the paranoia would have been less palpable

The others in this game is me talking about everyone else jn his game

Eg: DDD , kanye, LLD ect...

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If everyone in the townblock is still alive endgame then we should probably already have had found the person who doesn't belong by then. Ideally, the entire block shouldn't be making it there together in the first place and ideally, we would have already have figured out who is sum within that block if there are any

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Hi ffery

What do you think of a truce d1? No suspecting each other, no paranoia, nothing and that the other as if we were masons.

Additionally, what so you think of making an artificial town block consisting of you, us, mala/cadb, and kaze?

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Hi ffery

What do you think of a truce d1? No suspecting each other, no paranoia, nothing and that the other as if we were masons.

Additionally, what so you think of making an artificial town block consisting of you, us, mala/cadb, and kaze?

Does Nacho know about your offer?

Nope

Don't think so. I've been txting/saying him lime a crazy obsessed gf before and after i made the offer abduction head yet to respond

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Txting/skyping like a crazy obsessed gf.... And he has yet to respond

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What do you think of the people outside the block sans kanye,peng, and bo?

Smudger, nats, and lld are especially interesting

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Nacho, don't you love me?

Also, thank you for taking control of that slot.

I would love you but you're wasting your vote by putting it on me. We both know that there's no way in hell I'm getting lynched today regardless of what Mara posts.

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Hi ffery

What do you think of a truce d1? No suspecting each other, no paranoia, nothing and that the other as if we were masons.

Additionally, what so you think of making an artificial town block consisting of you, us, mala/cadb, and kaze?

I veto both of these suggestions, sorry love.

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VOTE: Smudger

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Kanye, come play with me. This wagon will go through easier.

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Nacho, when you see this, I want you to answer this question in exactly one word:

Is your Smudger vote a pressure vote, Yes or No?

Hell no.

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You're town, and you're bad

Really? I think I'm feeling the opposite actually.

You really do suck as town, Cabd.

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How are reads going, ffery? This might be one of the easier games I've played lately, so I'm expecting you're making good progress on things just as I am.

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It's nice to have you as town, LLD.

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I wonder when Smudger will figure out what's missing. ffery, care to fill him in? (I know Orc is your partner but Orc sucks too much to pick up on this).

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Oh so that's why

I thought you thought she was doing something else.

can you elaborate on your train of thought here tx i want 2 un erdastand why this was a point you were trying to push.

She never gave a reason, and I couldn't infer what it was.

You want real specifics? I wasn't totally forthcoming earlier.

The true issue I had with the post was that this "town voting bloc" shit that Mara was suggesting did not incude Nacho's supposedly biggest town read, Kanye.

That's a fucking LOT of cognitive dissonance to explain away, even for a hydra, so I wanted to see what a vote would do to rectify the situation.

tl;dr: That slot needs to start getting their shit together or they might find themselves with a bullet between their eyes.

i didnt have a problem with this. that was mara being mara. mara can do whatever she wants as long as she doesnt look individually scummy and nacho townposts and controls the hydra.

I'm town posting and controlling the hydra, and smudge continues to be a good push.
DBK isn't looking as awesome anymore, although I still see flashes of those things I hate.

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Purple Plague proposing a town block feels in character from Ms Marangal. And if I'm reading that right as Nacho nixing it, that also seems likely from town-Nacho, given I seem to recall some recently completed game where scum hung out in the town block for a good while.

Lady LambdaDelta reads town. In combination with Smudger griping about game length via referencing other people's posts, I'd like to see where his wagon goes.

VOTE: Smudger

Why?

I've never actually done that kinda thing before.

and, yes Nacho is nixing that block

Smudger, the way she had used the word honey was meant to be condescending.

and I honestly don't have any problems with where our vote stands

you are welcome to

try

and convince us otherwise, though

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why should I, my lynch will only help town later down the line, I have played this game badly the only thing I can do know is help where I can before you lynch me. I don't even have anything other than attracting votes to bring to the table help so, I will do what I can now..

Your lynch won't help the town much if you're town. It will probably help the scum more than it will help the town.

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VOTE: Gamr

what a load of tripe

...

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Those aren't good dots by the way.

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Is the site back?

is it here to stay?

Smuge, What's the reasons behind both your votes?

because, I think both of those people are town, and I can't really find the reasons for any of them.

and you're entire ISO is basically active lurking.

I mean, I'm pretty receptive to a lack of self esteem but... I have no clue to what you're doing with you're post.

I also understand IRL stuff, and timezones (I mean, I live in hawaii and have a really hard time being here with everyone else, and I have a hard time being awake at the same times as most of my hydra partners) and w/e but why did you have to mention it in your opening post? No one really cares, and if anything it gives you an excuse to not be here.

It's the weekend for everyone, and it's Christmas time but you're using the lack time to be here as an excuse?

instead of saying you will do X at this time, why don't you do it now?

DDD is pretty scummy, sure. Not sure what to make of the pretty good Penguin vote from him, but I'm not going to think to much about it. I won't go to the vollkan extreme of 'there is no such thing as a Towntell', but voting someone I think is a half decent vote isn't one.

where did this come from? what has Danny done that you think is scummy?

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Yes

DBK and Garmr.

what gives them the feel of being manufactured, and what do you think of his reaction when you called his readlist shit?

what's wrong with having a readlist of nulls, especially with them being a lean of some sort

I mean, I can clearly see the people he thinks are likely town, the people he thinks are likely scum, the ones he has a good scum-read on, and a good town-read on. Further more, I only see like, 3 true nulls

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Nacho. :/

I haven't been on site since you asked me to hold your hand. I also don't know what you expected to come from drawing me out other than a snarky response.

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DDD is pretty scummy, sure. Not sure what to make of the pretty good Penguin vote from him, but I'm not going to think to much about it. I won't go to the vollkan extreme of 'there is no such thing as a Towntell', but voting someone I think is a half decent vote isn't one.

It's close, though.

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Smudge, I would like the answer to rest of my question to you.

Kaze, you're like, the most impatient person ever.

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I already explained my position on Purple, if you read the game.

not clearly actually, just that you feel they are scum and describe them along with Kaze a chucklefucks when asking Kanye his opinion on that thought. you base that on one interchange between the tow.

are you still think that? or did Kanyes' answer sway your thoughts?

She did, actually. I didn't understand it at first, either but Nacho explained it to me and it all makes sense.

Her entire reason for scum-reading us has to do with, basically Hydra-diss.

I pretty much ignored Nacho's town-read on Kanye and that bothered her, especially since it looked like I was trying to make a town-voting block

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Nacho. :/

I haven't been on site since you asked me to hold your hand. I also don't know what you expected to come from drawing me out other than a snarky response.

I think you're confusing us with each other.

My post had everything to do with where your vote is.

You can talk to me about it, then.
Or talk in general. I'm making big things happen and I wanna make them happen with you!

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you said u were starting to feel conflicted on bo. help me out here because my scum read is turning into a confusion read.

He's the most aggressively lost player that I have ever seen and I think that's a bit townish, tbh. I've seen his scumgames and none of them look quite like this.

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VOTE: Penguin Alien

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No. What was wrong with my sludge push?

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And my current push is awesome, right?

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I asked my question first.

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You wasted your advantage by calling "dibs" when you asked the most popular wagon question.

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Fuck, I forgot how slowly you typed. I will explain my penguin read!

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Purple Plague proposing a town block feels in character from Ms Marangal. And if I'm reading that right as Nacho nixing it, that also seems likely from town-Nacho, given I seem to recall some recently completed game where scum hung out in the town block for a good while.

Lady LambdaDelta reads town. In combination with Smudger griping about game length via referencing other people's posts, I'd like to see where his wagon goes.

VOTE: Smudger

Townread on me is vague and be,l and reads more like penguin is trying to find a reason to call me town since she knows I'm not getting mislynched and there's no real reason for her to try. This is additionally probably the most content she's dropped on the game to date.

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Garmr, as per your earlier post, if you think Smudger is scum, why would you worry about him self-hammering?

This question didn't impress me much. Where did it go? Why was it asked? The underlying talk behind it seems to be

why wouldnt you want to lynch scum???

which is one of those things scum ask when they are looking for an easy ass attack.

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Smudger, my scum read on you remains partially due to the self-consciousness I'm seeing in your early posts, and it doesn't abate later on. There's a lot of AtE in the whole 'I played badly, I deserve this lynch for dumb play' spiel, and I don't trust that either.

kayneknowsbest, I asked about your interest in the DBK wagon because you wanted to know what happened to it. Wanted to know if that was you wanting the wagon to grow again or just wondering why it had disbanded.

Basically reasons for scumreading Smudger are self-consciousness and AtE, which is the type of reasoning that just hurts my insides. It also doesn't hurt that the scummiest people on the Smudger wagon were Kaze and penguin.

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Why did you nix the townbloc proposal?

I think artificial town blocks are dumb and useless.

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That vote count sucks.

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Why did you nix the townbloc proposal?

I think artificial town blocks are dumb and useless.

I agree, though I do wonder if the Chosen micro would have worked out any differently.

It wasn't obvious to me at first that Mara's townbloc was artificial. Mastin chose the experienced, "strong" players for his artificial bloc.

Mara took a similar approach but doesn't happen to be familiar with the two glaring omissions from that list.

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Smudger, my scum read on you remains partially due to the self-consciousness I'm seeing in your early posts, and it doesn't abate later on. There's a lot of AtE in the whole 'I played badly, I deserve this lynch for dumb play' spiel, and I don't trust that either.

kayneknowsbest, I asked about your interest in the DBK wagon because you wanted to know what happened to it. Wanted to know if that was you wanting the wagon to grow again or just wondering why it had disbanded.

Basically reasons for scumreading Smudger are self-consciousness and AtE, which is the type of reasoning that just hurts my insides. It also doesn't hurt that the scummiest people on the Smudger wagon were Kaze and penguin.

This one resonates.

So push is awesome?

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But isn't awesome? What more does this push need to make it awesome?

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Who are your scumreads?

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I SAID I WAS SORRY

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Kaze, knowing you have a tendency to tag on anti-town behavior, and believe the person is scum because of that D1, why aren't you worried about the alignment of your initial push?

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Not really seeing scum-PA.

would you mind talking to me about her?

in maniacal, You were pretty certain on your read of her because of things I didn't understand even after you explained it to me but, over time you were a little washy on that read. Ultimately, you thought she was scum and had made that evident to me within out chat. you know her better than I do so I'm receptive to your opinions on her.

Pedit: Initial push on people D1, period.

You tend to pick up on behaviors that are more anti-town than scum, IMO and town-you tends to think they are actual scum-tells when they aren't. You did that in the other plague game, I think

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No, I'm just saying that one should understand their flaws in their play and do their best to take that in consideration every game.

as far as anti-town tells, it's hard to explain, but it boils down to motivation over what something actually looks like (which isn't an easy thing to do, inherently)

as far for what you did in Wisdom's game, I wanted to punch you with how you tunneled ER (sorry )

I can't tell you exactly what you need to fix, you need to do that on your own, but I can tell you what I noticed and what I thought in that game. You seemed convinced that it made her scum. It was menial to me, as it didn't show her motivation.

You're case in 96 didn't resonate with me, most of that stuff was more anti-town and more not paying attention to the gamestate than anything

Here, in this game you picked something up I, and Nacho did. I liked the vote he placed, Smudge opening post was gut-wrenching but I am aware that town can do that as well.

When I reached out to him, he acted like a defeatist and started harping on his own play (which is something I think is more town-esque) and post-advice from both of us, he started to do... something (though I honestly don't know how to take that)

I had asked Peng-al something but she hasn't responded to it, Smudge did.

We both had a goodish scum-read on smudge but I am a little worried about the read on him, and especially on how he isn't really trying to diffuse it himself.

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No, I'm just saying that one should understand their flaws in their play and do their best to take that in consideration every game.

as far as anti-town tells, it's hard to explain, but it boils down to motivation over what something actually looks like (which isn't an easy thing to do, inherently)

as far for what you did in Wisdom's game, I wanted to punch you with how you tunneled ER (sorry )

I can't tell you exactly what you need to fix, you need to do that on your own, but I can tell you what I noticed and what I thought in that game.

You're case in 96 didn't resonate with me, most of that stuff was more anti-town and more not paying attention to the gamestate than anything. You seemed convinced that it made her scum. It was menial to me, as it didn't show her motivation.

Here, in this game you picked something up I, and Nacho did. I liked the vote he placed, Smudge opening post was gut-wrenching but I am aware that town can do that as well.

When I reached out to him, he acted like a defeatist and started harping on his own play (which is something I think is more town-esque) and post-advice from both of us, he started to do... something (though I honestly don't know how to take that)

I had asked Peng-al something but she hasn't responded to it, Smudge did.

We both had a goodish scum-read on smudge but I am a little worried about the read on him, and especially on how he isn't really trying to diffuse it himself.

errrr...

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Nacho isn't here

though, last we talked we both started losing traction on Smudger scum IIRC

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Who are your scumreads?

I'm unsure if this was ever answered, sorry if I missed it in my initial skim.

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So we have two imposing wagons one built up slow and incredibly hard to lynch, while the one fast but diffused just as fast as it built. This is interesting how the two contrast.

After taking a second look my town reads are pretty much split onto both wagons while my scum reads are focused on Penguin alien.

I'm going to retract my statement about PA being the preferred lynch because even through 543.

Also

VOTE: Smudge

that's l-1

This is what I have a problem with.

Peng wasn't a slow wagon. It built up incredibly fast.

Who the fuck cares about wagon speed anymore?

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Who are your scumreads?

This is probably going to be a PoE game for me. :/

I do like your PA case. Will put our vote there if Orcinus agrees.

What are your thoughts about Kanye?

So we have two imposing wagons one built up slow and incredibly hard to lynch, while the one fast but diffused just as fast as it built. This is interesting how the two contrast.

After taking a second look my town reads are pretty much split onto both wagons while my scum reads are focused on Penguin alien.

I'm going to retract my statement about PA being the preferred lynch because even through 543.

Also

VOTE: Smudge

that's l-1

This is what I have a problem with.

Peng wasn't a slow wagon. It built up incredibly fast.

I thought he was saying the Smudger wagon was slow and hard to lynch?

If its a Poe game, scum are people who don't make their way into your townreads.

Kanye is still town. Why?

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nachio do you not think smudger is scum anymore? because the pa wagon seems to have had the opposite effect on you than it had on me

I'm not as sure he's as scum as I thought he was before, no. I might have another read flip in the near future, though. Why do you think smudge recent posts are scummy?

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You're town, and you're bad

Really? I think I'm feeling the opposite actually.

You really do suck as town, Cabd.

You don't get to townbin me this quickly.

And yet somehow I did. I'm a loose cannon!

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personally i was orig thinking they were both scum when i placed my vote, but the speed with which smudger followed onto the wagon leads me to think otherwise at this point. there does not appear to be the "should i bus to save my skin" delay that i was expecting.

I can agree with this. His hop on sucked pretty hard.

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Re: Smudger being self conscious:
Why do you think he's putting on a show? You were also the scummiest on his wagon when it was formed, along with Kaze. I'm guessing that scum didn't get to L-1 without scum help, so.

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Penguin reaction to wagon is still pretty good, I suppose. Eager in more shit being produced, although I wouldn't cry if Smudge was hammered after I touched bases with Selkies.

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Question to everyone, why have I not been hammered yet, and don't jump on me immediately, its a good question when you appreciate I am not going to self hammer as I am town, but then hindsight is only going to help you see that one

For one I liked this post. Its Smudger giving hints that he there's something to look back on his lynch in order to leg the scum, which is consistent with the whole "my lynch will help the town" mindset he had earlier.

He also has a townie dying defiance that I like the most and can't see many people faking as scum.

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Purple if you and Selkies touch base anymore you will need to move in...

Fun fact: I am moved in with Selkies. Fferyllt is my mother and orcinus the original is my father. We're a he'll of a mafia family, right?

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Re: Smudger being self conscious:
Why do you think he's putting on a show? You were also the scummiest on his wagon when it was formed, along with Kaze. I'm guessing that scum didn't get to L-1 without scum help, so.

I think it's a show because given that we have half the day left according to the battery and he was only the second wagon to get past the 'halfway to lynch' mark, him throwing in the towel isn't reasonable even if he's a VT as claimed. The self-conscious part is him not knowing how to react in order to derail the wagon, and there's a sense of him analyzing his own posts/soliciting feedback to figure out where he went wrong.

To clarify, you're saying that of those who have voted Smudger, Kaze and I are your top overall scum reads or your top reads for scummy jumps onto the wagon?

I think that giving up the towel ridiculously early is not a scumtell at all and am interested in hearing why you think otherwise. And him not knowing how to derail the wagon is different then what we are seeing now, which is part acceptance, part being absolutely defeated. He certainly isn't pulling the "oh why are you wagonning me??? People voting me are scummy!" response that most new scum produce. He's also been visibly upset by his play this game, and seems to be trying to salvage what he can for the town which is a pretty town attitude to take.

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You and Kaze are the scummier people om the Smudge wagon, yeah.

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Purple if you and Selkies touch base anymore you will need to move in...

Fun fact: I am moved in with Selkies. Fferyllt is my mother and orcinus the original is my father. We're a he'll of a mafia family, right?

Hits my head against the wall. I have a sick sick mind.

Anyway change of subject since you are family, how well do you think you can read fferyllt?

Pretty well, actually.
I usually get an incredibly strong townread on her early and am panicking currently because I don't have that incredibly strong townread on her now.

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Question to everyone, why have I not been hammered yet, and don't jump on me immediately, its a good question when you appreciate I am not going to self hammer as I am town, but then hindsight is only going to help you see that one

For one I liked this post. Its Smudger giving hints that he there's something to look back on his lynch in order to leg the scum, which is consistent with the whole "my lynch will help the town" mindset he had earlier.

He also has a townie dying defiance that I like the most and can't see many people faking as scum.

yeah i saw that stuff too, and i contemplated that take on it but his grasping at any straw is at odds with his "im town and i accept that im dying" angle. its that sort of gap between a presented image and actual intent that usually locks me deeply into a scumread.

That's actually a great point.

I still wanna connect with Selkies before hammer, though. Shouldn't take long, just dont want to get shot at night by those two as scum when they should be an easy catch.

[The Purple Plague]

Purple Plague proposing a town block feels in character from Ms Marangal. And if I'm reading that right as Nacho nixing it, that also seems likely from town-Nacho, given I seem to recall some recently completed game where scum hung out in the town block for a good while.

Lady LambdaDelta reads town. In combination with Smudger griping about game length via referencing other people's posts, I'd like to see where his wagon goes.

VOTE: Smudger

Why?

I've never actually done that kinda thing before.

and, yes Nacho is nixing that block

Smudger, the way she had used the word honey was meant to be condescending.

and I honestly don't have any problems with where our vote stands

you are welcome to

try

and convince us otherwise, though

peng.

[The Purple Plague]

oh, whoops

I should have read first.


but hmm.. ok, I guess you're answer is a good one.

Purple if you and Selkies touch base anymore you will need to move in...

Fun fact: I am moved in with Selkies. Fferyllt is my mother and orcinus the original is my father. We're a he'll of a mafia family, right?

nice, how do you hide the fact you are scum?

according to cabd, I don't.

why is Plum scum though?

Second game I've played with Kanye. He doesn't seem nearly as assertive in this game as he did in Paradox. Maybe that's because there isn't a crazy mechanic to to figure out how to take advantage of.

this is kinda where, I'm at too (though this is my third game) and I don't think I recall him being this laid back, but Nacho has the meta-authority on him.

I doubt this is multi-ball, Bo. why do you think the wagons reflect as such?

why do both have to be scum, and why can't they be on the same team?

[The Purple Plague]

Well, yesterday was shit.

[The Purple Plague]

Selkies seems like a pretty solid vote, although DDD votes seem pretty great as well.

Vote: Selkies

[The Purple Plague]

Yeah I mean I'm looking at DDD right now.

Where are you coming for. With the Garmr read?

[The Purple Plague]

Selkies seems like a pretty solid vote, although DDD votes seem pretty great as well.

Vote: Selkies

tell me about selkio

Can you find me a post you really liked?

[The Purple Plague]

Selkies seems like a pretty solid vote, although DDD votes seem pretty great as well.

Vote: Selkies

Your reads day 1 weren't so good.

Why are the DDD votes pretty great?

yeah they sucked balls, thanks for reminding me.
DDD votes are pretty great because townreads elsewhere, probably. They could also be great because the only reason he was good yesterday was penguin vote and that's not a good thing anymore

[The Purple Plague]

oh yeah, Kaney, there's probably scum in you or LLD

[The Purple Plague]

Why not?

[The Purple Plague]

nah.
what do you think of Kanye and LLD?

[The Purple Plague]

I'm also unhappy with your townread on Natirasha, think it needs a downgrade soon.

[The Purple Plague]

Yeah I agree re: Kanye

[The Purple Plague]

I know LLD ramps up the irritability in games because people expect it from her, but I usually love the hell out of her posts regardless of her anger or lack of it. This game is no exception; scummies invitational was. Could mean she's just more focused to playing around me, though.

[The Purple Plague]

I'm glad you're mad about not being to touch bases with me on Day 1, though. It doesn't really feel like it usually does when you're scum, I just feel we need to touch bases this game so I can suck less ass today and sort out the Kanye/LLD problem because it's a problem that's scary as heck. I also feel we both had bad D1s, which is not common when we share alignment.

[The Purple Plague]

although that may just be me bein presumptuous again

[The Purple Plague]

Mara how is it you reached out to me and I relied and then got flat out ignored and you still kept your vote on Peng anyways?

I didn't see it

and Nacho has control over our vote, otherwise it would be jumping all over the place.

the only time I posted/looked at the thread since you responded to my question on Peng was the post made by us post hammer and the one post where I had asked peng some questions.

So who's the vig? Come out and play.

town implication of this is...?

[The Purple Plague]

otherwise it would be jumping all over the place.

The last thing I want is having our voting patterns resemble Violent Sax.

nat: are you seriously asking that question?

there isn't any reason to have a PR out themselves when they aren't in danger of being lynched. It just makes them a target the next night

[The Purple Plague]

why will the Vig most likely miss?

and yes.

Regardless of Pengs pleas otherwise, Scum probably aren't going to risk shooting peng regardless of her threat because she is most likely going to be the our protective role (assuming we have one) will protect.

both kills last night point to that fact. probably.

[The Purple Plague]

and whatever these important things are, I'm fair sure you can do it without them claiming.

[The Purple Plague]

then, tough luck I guess?

[The Purple Plague]

then, tough luck I guess?

[The Purple Plague]

:/

[The Purple Plague]

I'll talk to NACHO about the possible pro-town implications you might have about this

[The Purple Plague]

I actually doubt that the Vig targeted Plum so.

[The Purple Plague]

but that's really the only "obvious" reason I can think of RE why you want Vig to claim.

Funny you should say that. He was actually the one in the masonry with the strongest town read on you; that you ended up as even a slight town read was due to his influence rather than the rest of our opinions.

And 'if' he was part of a masonry? You realize he's flipped mason, Y/Y?

I want to hear more from Garmr and everyone before voting, but I wholly support his lynch.

I don't support his lynch.

based on Kaze's treatment on him yesterday, I can understand why he thinks Kaze is the one with the strongest scum-read on him yesterday within your little group.

I am not as confident in the fact that the wagon aren't as good as they should be

though I am completely confident in the fact that your wagon has none of your partners!

[The Purple Plague]

Nat I don't really support early claims from a vig they give town a extra lynch. Through looking at either kills I don't really see town shooting either of them.

Kaze was obvious town and plum layed in the regions of nullness and seemed to peek up near activity in the end. I felt her alignment would of shown latter on into day 2.

It kinda puzzles me.

not necessarily so. If town was responsible for the second night kill, it could have easily been a deadline scramble

and IDK what D1 you were reading, but Nacho and I both were more than confident on Plum town, moreso than Kazetown


walk me through your mindset on this

oh yeah, Kaney, there's probably scum in you or LLD

I personally think Kanyetown

[quote="In post 772, penguin_alien"

Well, yesterday was shit.

You don't think the wagons were useful for reads? Almost half of Smudger's final wagon is conf-town:

Lady Lambdadelta,

penguin_alien, Kazekirimaru,

Garmr, walked into a club,

Plum,

kanyeknowsbest

I'm pretty sure there's no more than one scum on there.

What's your issue with a Natirasha town read?[/quote]

one on, one off, one one the counter.

I think Nati was pretty underwhelming up until to day, and even then I'm not completely awed by what he's doing.

[The Purple Plague]

I feel like I'm never gonna get on this game's level, tbh.

Okay so I'm thinking either A.) the wagon on DDD is scum-driven with Kanye and Garmr as scum and no other townies wanting to join, or B.) the wagon on DDD is town-driven which is why there are so few people on it.

I am starting to suspect Garmr a little. I have no idea how to read Kanye.

Hmm

UNVOTE:

I think this playerlist is pretty over-whelming in terms of Player experience, reputation, and all that but given that it's a little strange that I feel underwhelmed with the content.

it'll feel exceptionally strange when I feel like I have to get behind the wheel of this hydra and not follow nacho's every step.

speaking of, I had hoped I could rely on Nacho figuring out Kanye and LLD for me while I worked with the people I'm a little more familiar with. We could ride the "lets try and figure kanye out, no matter how futile train" together.

what are your thoughts on him so far?

at this point in time, it's a little difficult to figure out if DDD's wagon is town or scum driven but I'm more interested in the intent of those on the wagon especially since it seem's like Kanyesheep more than anything.

Why are you suspecting Garmr? Where I'm standing, he hasn't done anything different than you have so that's kinda.... pingy

[The Purple Plague]

Shut up, Garmr!

Why does no one ever think about what I'm saying?

I have, and responded with "well, I don't think vig targeted Plum"

[The Purple Plague]

Everybody's posting kinda blows today

at least try and find something in Kanye posts that give you some kinda read?

[The Purple Plague]

I want to hear more from Garmr and everyone before voting, but I wholly support his lynch.

Wait, why?

What's your issue with a Natirasha town read?

It's lazy as hell. The fuck did he do to look town?

Mara how is it you reached out to me and I relied and then got flat out ignored and you still kept your vote on Peng anyways?

Me, probably.

Why shouldn't vig claim?

because that would be fucking dumb, if we even have a vig
that shot looked distinctly like a sealial killer

The PA vote was a great vote, retroactively knowing they're probably a mason doesn't mean the vote itself wasn't good or for good reasons. I'll maintain a wagon on someone with six posts in twenty-five pages, who jumped middle-late onto the biggest wagon and then asked pointless questions without doing anything was and will always be a good vote even if it's on town.

that's p cool, good job with that vote and all that
who are you voting today? i don't really remember.

nacho this game is making me crazy.

I have no fucking idea if you're town or not. plz do something townish so I can stop worrying about you.

no you do something townish, chump change
this thread fucking bleeds with my towniness

nancho how come your reads are so ass

you're so ass
but yeah my reads fucking suck atm and i need you to hold my hand and pull me out of the abyss of mediocrity

I mean, there are damn obvious reasons that I can't spell out for the vig to claim.

Edit: oh I'm dealing with Mara.

i don't see any reasons 'cept for crazy nati theories and making the SK claim vig early to fuck 'em up later

danmniel whos scum

If I had a top read I'd be voting for them; right now I'm still evaluating in light of flips and such.

it takes you a really long time to evaluate, danny

Vote: Danny Danny Danny

[The Purple Plague]

kanye i choose LLD/Danny Danny Danny/Seal as my reads
what do you choose?

[The Purple Plague]

danny, dbk, wildcard (you? selkso? garmio? gotta be 1)

I'm pretty prepared to lynch Selkies and I don't think DBK-slot is scum, but if you believe in your heart of hearts that LLD is town, I can shelve that paranoia away for a later day.

[The Purple Plague]

hey syr!
did you see what i just posted?

[The Purple Plague]

You've made no effort to sort me. I've had the gain turned way up listening for echoes of Marketplace day 1.

I haven't sorted you directly because I don't want a repeat of Pick and Ban, since those exchanges we have are rather brutal. Instead, I've made an effort to sort you indirectly which hasn't really given me any ffery-town fruit. I can't even see what kind of directions you are thinking about (or were thinking about yesterday, all I could figure out was you liked my push on penguin but you really didn't do anything beyond that), I can't see you being frustrated or confused by the game, I don't understand why you're playing the way you're playing because it's been a full day and some change and still I see no flashes of town-ffery. Hell, Mara and I have more posts than you even though our paying attention level to this game is pretty close to nothing and I don't understand how that even happened :/

quote="In post 864, Selkies"]What changed your mind about Kanye?[/quote]
I reread him.

[The Purple Plague]

Does it sound like me as scum? Because I have absolutely no problem switching gears if you want me to.

[The Purple Plague]

Purple Plague should be a stronger read probably, but nacho. Recent history says I can't read him for shit but I'm always optimistic that \I'll get him right next time. Until it's next time. In our last few games I think we've both been very suspicious of each other at first when town. The one that gets there first maybe gets a townread from the one who lags a little.

Probably?

yeah, but if you can't sort out nacho, maybe you can try me?

I think I've left some pretty nice stuff.


Hey Syry!

my reads kinda line up with nacho's quite nicely. the DBK read is especially one that I like

everyone who isn't LLD, DDD, or Selkies are decently town

[The Purple Plague]

well, Garmr and nats are more middlish town

and

you, Kanye, and Club make the top (non-confirmed) tier

[The Purple Plague]

Does it sound like me as scum?

It has a powerlynch feel to it. But the tempo is off for a powerlynch.

Because I have absolutely no problem switching gears if you want me to.

I want you to do what it takes to get an accurate read. I'll do the same.

Dancing shoes are on, music is playing, I'm doing my stretches and I'm ready to sort you.
You should find this tempo more to your liking.

[The Purple Plague]

I feel the significant thing you did was that wall was bring up your small bits of meta awareness of DDD, and the accuracy of his assessment of an ideal RVS.

197 shows a small step towards sorting Bo, but the "your defensiveness is bothering me some" was a strange thing to pick up on; it's not necessarily something I think you wouldn't pick up on, but it wasn't exactly something that was worth the comment or the meta dive, even.

I asked you how reads we're going in 331 because I noticed nothing seemed to be developing on your end, so your "reads are going well!" response didn't seem consistent with what you had dropped in thread so far. Your major engagement in this wall is with Smudger, who was the flavor of the day at that point; I appreciate that you were trying to gauge my pushes, but normally you're making pushes of your own that I have the opportunity to gauge elsewhere and I didn't feel that was happening earlier in the game.

I liked you warning me off the Smudger wagon early, it was nice, but I already started to move off and the warning was pretty quiet. And as far as a day in a whole goes, I didn't really feel you tried to interact with me much or sort me like you usually do; you had no clear read on me by the end of day 1 (and I not such a clear read on you at the end of day 1), and I was freaking out about it a significant degree more than you were. And you say that I haven't made a significant effort to sort you so far, while those small signs that I expect you to pick up on are all over my ISO (ffery, can you tell me what Smudger is missing? What do you think of my penguin push? Don't fucking hammer until I talk with my parents.).

I saw the Garmr townread, but it was instantly formed and never talked about and never touched again. DBK read was decent because he was seriously town, but you didn't even touch on that all that much. DDD has fallen into obscurity again and you're still calling him town for early activity, no clue what your read on Cabd is composed of, Plum and Kaze reads were immediate and not really explained, no read on Kanye/LLD, no read on us and a tiny sign of being uncomfortable with us. None of these reads really have any depth or trajectory, they're just sort of there.

[The Purple Plague]

oh I cannot wait until I get back into a place where my posts won't be coming from a well of pure rage.

Because if I had to post today, I think I'd probably tear Nacho a couple new assholes, just so he can get out all his bullshit easier.

If you need an outlet for rage, I'm generally a good target for it. I will listen to the words behind the anger AND won't be even a little offended by it.

[The Purple Plague]

danmniel whos scum

If I had a top read I'd be voting for them; right now I'm still evaluating in light of flips and such.

it takes you a really long time to evaluate, danny

Sure, or it was the freaking holidays which means I was never home. Beyond that you want to know one of the biggest reasons why I'm stuck in limbo? Because frankly I want to poke at LLD, the vote yesterday sucked and she just sat on it. There are several problems here, she's not posting but then again I wasn't posting maybe she's lurking but maybe the holidays happened to her as well and I can't fault anyone for that, then there's the fact that I never seem to read her quite right her faux-rage always makes me read town and the apathy I usually associate with scum showed up more in the League mafia when she was town which means I never know what to think with her and finally I'm not sure that's a fight I want to pick simply because it'll be a pain in the ass no matter what I decide in the end.

If you want to poke at LLD, poke at her. You actually putting your balls to the wall and going after someone who will "rip you a few assholes" would certainly go a long way towards me reading you as town; all I can see here is "I have no scumreads except someone who I can't read worth a shit" which is for many reasons.

[The Purple Plague]

Syryana: I'm thinking your slot is town because DBK was genuine as fuck and I'm pretty sure his scumgame doesn't look anything like that. LLD scum for a moment was because I had a paranoid moment because I was getting boxed in by townreads, but then I realized Natirasha and Cabd townreads aren't actually made out of anything solid so Kanye held my hand and told me everything was okay again and I'm generally doing okay.

[The Purple Plague]

If you were to selectively read the first 35 pages, I would selectively read Selkies and the PLAGUE side by side so you can understand my read on ffery, you'll probably see it. Alternatively, don't read the first 35 pages because you really don't need to.

[The Purple Plague]

you went "oh, I see defensiveness in DBK, better do a meta dive". I don't know why his actions were that significant at that point, or even why you found his defensiveness so troubling. It was also a little blah because, if my memory isn't going away because this game got cast to the side a little bit, DBK push had already seemed to form, then you moved. Same with Smudge & penguin wagons, you always seemed to be one step behind and I didn't really know why.

what are your reads looking like now? I'm not as interested in orci's read, but if he actually got engaged in this game and has reads, hit me with them.

your plum read is the strongest evidence of you being town, for some strange reason. I sort of liked Nati trying to bait the SK but when the most significant thing he's done is hunt for a third party then well, I'm not really that satisfied with him being town. Kanye read is usually a read based on what pushes he makes and his interactions with me; not too much more although he does have his extremely town moments. We are currently decently synced up now, so he is not a worry for me.

[The Purple Plague]

What's your opinion of #871?

[The Purple Plague]

Vote: Natirasha

[The Purple Plague]

Vote: Natirasha

which one of you threw down the naked vote. not that I mind it at all, but reasons?

I threw down the naked vote and I did it because Nati is scum.

nacho are you here

I'm here most days.

[The Purple Plague]

Vote: Natirasha

which one of you threw down the naked vote. not that I mind it at all, but reasons?

I threw down the naked vote and I did it because Nati is scum.

nacho are you here

I'm here most days.

[The Purple Plague]

So who's the vig? Come out and play.

this is pretty much the only thing nati's done so far and it's hunting for a third party
I get that his "whee, look at me, I'm not doing anything" is good totally and all, but it's easy as hell to fake and people fake it all the time.

DDD's in the middle pack. Could swing either way. Inconsequential to my measures at the moment.

His position on the DDDwagon sucks big time, and I note no effort to figure DDD out at all, just "he's meh but he's not Selkies or Plague" and then he votes elsewhere anyways.

I want to figure which two of you, Cabd, Nacho are scum today really.

This would be wonderful if he made even the smallest effort to actually sort us, but he hasn't. Every time Nati has gone paranoid of me as town, it's been a full blown paranoia type thing, he interacts with me, he yells at me. Here? Nothing.

VOTE: Garmr

TPP is probably SK, Selkies is probably scum and Cabd is probably town.

Garmr vote is not bad but it doesn't follow his "hey I'm sorting people out bit".
His Nacho-SK suspicion is bad because I would not shoot either of the people who died last night as SK ever.

[The Purple Plague]

Why do you think Nati-town?

[The Purple Plague]

I can see that. And if he gets less weird on me, I'll be happy to agree with you.

[The Purple Plague]

What did you think of Garmr replace out post?

[The Purple Plague]

the part I liked was the trust tell bit; that's a hell of a play to make as scum so early and I don't think he's that creative.

[The Purple Plague]

and I don't think it was coached to him considering he used the phrase "trust tell" incorrectly and the only people I can see being creative enough to do something like that know what the hell a trust tell is.

[The Purple Plague]

you should be happy I'm quoting this for you

[The Purple Plague]

"I actually thought club seal was every vanilla townie at one stage and thought kaze was trust telling because I have a picture of three seals partying on a dance floor in my role pm."
That bit.

[The Purple Plague]

I don't think he would crumb his VT fakeclaim like that.

[The Purple Plague]

like maybe he would crumb it like "hey guys, are you ready to party???" but the whole "Kaze you're getting too close to trust telling, stop" thing probs not

[The Purple Plague]

Vote: Danny

[The Purple Plague]

I literally don't understand the case on Garmr at all, so sorry guys.

[The Purple Plague]

But yeah battery is gonna be below 50 probably so let's get this show on the road people. DDD is probably Garmr's chosen mislynch of the day.

For example, where the fuck is your confidence on Garmr-scum even coming from?
Do you have a case, or...?

Not to sidetrack things with tinfoil hats, but are we currently thinking vig or SK?

SK is the general consensus.

vote syro

what do you think you caught scum syr trying to do?

[The Purple Plague]

He couldn't say I was scum for the case, but he could try to paint me as a...how to put this...big meanie. Only problem was that when asked what provoked his initial reaction to my case, he cited a post that came after his response. Whoops.

So, I don't really understand why this makes Garmr scum

as for DDD?

you don't think his lack of participation is sounds of alarm?

we're all pretty low key, sure but DDD has't even tried to contribute, nor does he look like he cares about sorting anyone out.

well, Garmr and nats are more middlish town

and

you, Kanye, and Club make the top (non-confirmed) tier

why aren't you bothering trying to work with me?

Somethings off about you mara. I need to pinpoint it though :\

I've been kinda slow, but I havn't really interacted with any of the people I have declared town. You should know what this means, or Cabd should, and if you don't both of you need to go back and take Mara-meta 101

Um...you realize pa is confirmed mason, right?

And TPP because I think Mara overreacted to my pushing the second killer in a way that suggests inside knowledge.

Selkies because reasons(not role related).

Cabd because I'm not seeing the agenda he typically has as scum.

Why SK, and not vig

If I had inside knowledge, why would share it (or try to) as anti-town.

how does me suggesting that Plum was probably the scum-kill make me not scum (because scum have inside knowledge too)

How does me saying Vig shouldn't claim over-reacting in any way shape or form?

[The Purple Plague]

I also think Selkies is a little underwhelming, and not at all what I expect to come from selkies town

Hope, that also answers your question syry

[The Purple Plague]

I am particularly dissatisfied with the disappearance of two people whose input I value very much.

[The Purple Plague]

Similarly, Syr, my sweet.
What are you smoking with your current DDD read?

[The Purple Plague]

MAGUA NO

[The Purple Plague]

He's participated more than, say, LLD thus far. At least in what I've read. Is lack of activity your only reason for DDD-scum? (I'm including the lack of sorting people under lack of activity)

Yeah, I know. I'm a little suspicious of LLD to, but Nacho trusts Kanye's read on her.

it isn't the lack of activity, it's a lack of proactivity in what he's posted thus far. In Vi's last game (godhelpme) the biggest reason we had Chosen to Neighborize DDD and Tierce/Empire was due to the fact that, we had wanted to make our one neighborizing option be as close to a masonry as possible and we had thought DDD was town as fuck from his entrance D2. I did have some reservations on Tierce, but Empire's play was more than town enough, and it was wholly possible that the reservations I had were nothing but paranoia


as for selkies, I expect Orci to be a little

less

nice and self-pitiful and be a little bit more aggressive. I am sympathetic in the lack of real time interaction because he lives in China (and it is a problem that I tend to have, sometimes) but I don't recall it stopping him from playing before.


Peng: why are we at the top of your reads list? above whatever living mason-partner you may have left?

also explain Magua and Syry

[The Purple Plague]

Kanye who are you voting right now
And can you please make it Danny

[The Purple Plague]

Hey, I have to read a lot too!
Let's just end up voting the same person and pushing that lynch through because I like when we do that.

[The Purple Plague]

Hi!

[The Purple Plague]

What did you think of TPP's response to the reads list? Which yes, was strategically faked BS. And it wasn't an insult to his intelligence, but rather me taking advantage of the situation to garner other reactions. If he really wanted to discuss some of my reads, he could have gotten them from my ISO, so I don't feel badly about it.

I would've expected this slot to have stayed away from it. It was obvious enough of a reaction test, even for someone who hasn't really been here. The reaction itself seemed to be taking your list at face value, which I didn't really expect.

Also I don't really like how the slot was complaining about town apathy and then when I showed up they left

What do you think about it

I find battery deadlines don't inspire the same deadline fear as a definite deadline does because I continuously look at this game and it's always like 30 something percent and decide to post in other games for other reasons.

[The Purple Plague]

I'm glad we're not the only ones not liking magua as a lynch.

talk to me about your reaction to PA's readslist though. did you think that was a real list? as well as your reaction to magua's vote on syry--is that diminishing your read on mag or what

Mara thought it was a real reads list, yeah.
I don't give a shit about Magua vote on Syr, he still seems town.

[The Purple Plague]

Like I find we're at odds because of the vote but I've learned sometimes Magua and I don't click as far as scum suspects go and what we find scummy and what we find town. I don't see why he would choose Syr as the chosen mislynch and it doesn't particularly seem like bussing, so I let Magua be.

[The Purple Plague]

Yeah when I said nacho not liking you I mean nacho does not have a favorable read on you from what I can tell

It's more mara from what I can tell.

I think they're running out of acceptable mislynch targets.

As a serial killer?
What?

[The Purple Plague]

Sealial killer, excuse me.

[The Purple Plague]

Do you have meta on nati?

I got meta on everybody, bro.

[The Purple Plague]

wait daniel still has not voted a single person yet ?

"Everyone thinks my suspects are town so there's no reason to vote them because I will just be posturing and since I'm not scum I'm not going to posture" or some similar bullshit.

[The Purple Plague]

As a serial killer?
What?

You could be scum too. More likely SK though.

But you've been calling me a shooter for a while now, hence why suddenly going "oh he's running out of mislynch targets" is a big :/

[The Purple Plague]

How strong is your read on LLD, nacho?

Pedit I feel like my post asking for your thought process or at least some smidgen of reasoning got ignored

My LLD town read is probably like 2 notches weaker than kanye's.

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Penguin, is F the right answer if I tag on an "as scum" option to the end of that question?

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As a serial killer?
What?

You could be scum too. More likely SK though.

But you've been calling me a shooter for a while now, hence why suddenly going "oh he's running out of mislynch targets" is a big :/

Actually I'd like to hear why the read on nacho was that of a shooter rather than a straight out scum read

Mara reacted weird to his SK outing attempt at the beginning of the day.

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How strong is your read on LLD, nacho?

Pedit I feel like my post asking for your thought process or at least some smidgen of reasoning got ignored

My LLD town read is probably like 2 notches weaker than kanye's.

huh when did you get a town read on lambda

A while ago.
Then I got paranoid, and then you reassured me.

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Here's a deal: if you tell me why you think he's scum, I'll tell you why I think he's town.

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As a serial killer?
What?

You could be scum too. More likely SK though.

But you've been calling me a shooter for a while now, hence why suddenly going "oh he's running out of mislynch targets" is a big :/

natirasha

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I do! And my opinion matters more than yours ever since I stopped talking in metaphors.

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Yeah when I said nacho not liking you I mean nacho does not have a favorable read on you from what I can tell

It's more mara from what I can tell.

I think they're running out of acceptable mislynch targets.

Uhm... what?

I actually have a vague town-read on you because I'm hard-pressed to find the scum-motivation behind what you're doing regardless of how anti-town it is

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Nothing?

I havn't pushed a single thing against you, nor have I placed a single post in this game

( I havn't even talked to you other than the inital Vig outting attempt)

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also, instead of trying to out our killer who is possibly town, how about we give that person a direction to take tonight, and get DDD lynched.

If that person doesn't follow through with the "suggestions" and ends up hitting town, tomorrow we mass-claim and lynch the claimed second killer

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Yes. You are conftown. I never suggested otherwise. Which means that I value your reads as one that I know to be coming as from town. Given that I'm still trying to get my reads sorted as a result of not being in the game, yours would be helpful to give me something to build on.

I want to work with you, not be your goddamn lap dog. And I've laid down quite clearly that I want to see Magua-scum before I'm willing to vote the slot. That's not rolling over. That's refusing to do so.

this pings rather nicely.

I think DDD is scum.

Magua is bothering me a little, but Garmr was incredibly town that I find it hard to believe that he actually subbed into a scum-slot.

From where I'm standing, it looks like Penguins read on Garmr/Magua is flavor, which I think is an incredibly stupid means to scum-read someone because of who the mods are (not that I know much about this flavor anyway)

Nati is weird, but I can't find any scum-motivation behind what he's doing. He is basically going from calling us SK, to maybe Vig, to SK, to Scum, to SK with a small chance of being scum with a huge mess in the path he's taken so I can see where Nacho is coming from with his nati-read and I don't really care enough to argue against it, or interfere with that read. I can't really find any trajectory behind his thoughts behind the second killer and it's almost like he's teleporting from one place to another.

I'm a little irked that Peng outted the fact that there were three masons to begin with, but it helps with some of the thoughts I had. the reveal that this may have a day-talk mechanic is huge though I don't really know wher she's hinted that.

Despite it being a slow game, Kanye's tried to pull the reigns and get other people to talk regardless of the minimal material to work with which is town as fuck. I don't see why anyone is scum-reading him at this point.

Basically, at this point, Peng, Club, Syr, and Kanye are untouchable reads atm

Nacho trusts Kaye's LLD read, so she is also untouchable

which leaves

DDD, you, magua and nati

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If you're town, then that would mean DDD, Magua, and Nati are the scum-team and that's a really, really weird scum team IMO

I could also be giving Syr a little bit to much Leeway because of how Bo acted, but...

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if DDD gets lynched, I say Nati I think.

I don't really like Magua's push on Syr, nor do I really like how he's reacted to penguin scumreading him, it feels a little bit funky

and we both kinda have a town-read on Bo.

as for why, I think him being lost, while trying to actually contribute isn't very likely to come from scum, especially in the way he's replaced out in the way he did. IMO, it reeks of feeling like he can't really contribute as much as he wants regardless of how hard he tries, so instead of being a useless sack of nothingness, he replaces out and gets someone who is more likely to get a handle of what's going on better, get a chance of doing so.

he doesn't just lurk and let himself get forced replaced, which is in contrast to how Rank replaced out in the game where we were all scum-buds. (rank didn't really try in thread, at all while here, bo did and rank was AWOL from discussion as well)

and DDD, I just made a nice post of my town-read on Kanye and my scum-read of you independent of nacho so.... why are you ignoring it?

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The fakeclaims were formatted exactly like the real role PMs; they didn't seem too specific because the flavor was random inanimate objects, but they were formatted exactly like the real role PMs were.

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Replacing out as scum for cred is fine and awesome, but claiming at L-4 before you go railroads that scumslot into a nonPR claim (while his slot was under pressure already), which is massive dickery to whoever replaces in the slot. As town, claiming earlier is not so big of a deal because its not like your replacement is going to claim anything different. Still stupid, but not as damaging.

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Do you think Garmr wasn't indulging in massive dickery, as you put it, anyways?

Why would he?
What was his thought process as scum in doing so?

Because as town the claim looks like a middle finger to you before he goes.

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Hey magus do you remember that game where Syr did that thing you're voting him for and then we lynched him and he flipped town?

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@Selkies
Garmr as in the mythological Hell Hound.

#267 anger and frustration seemed pretty genuine and it's not something I would expect scum to get angry about so early (I mean sure scum go "I'm mad as hell that no one is doing good things" but usually they wait until page 10), and his push on LLD for empty posting carried decent conviction/reaction to her after she townread him was good.

Reads list seemed genuine. There are not a whole lot of arousing specifics, but things like "But I don't like how she tried to push me out of the conversation" in the LLD read, teasing townread on Kaze, and sympathetic "I know why you're having trouble getting into the game, but step it up" read on Nati. They are points that show a level of thinking beyond "here is a mislynch, here is a buddy, here is unlynchable town".

Garmr getting offended as hell after Smudge called his posts tripe seemed genuine to me; the reaction spanned over three posts and was knee jerk, immediate and rubbed me the right way: there was a very poignant "fuck you, those posts weren't tripe" vibe from that bit.

His pleading to Plum about having a double vote being day ending and hoping that was just a sign she wanted him dead seemed very genuine.

"It must have killed Kaze to type that slight town read on me" was pretty fucking town, as was his comment to you about his scumgame.


There are plenty of genuine points in his play that outweigh most other things; I acknowledge the force aggressive scumhunting isn't present in spades (although a spade of it is with his DDD exchange which is great because DDD is scum), but otherwise I don't really have any issues with his play.

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Yep.

Well, I remember that game where I called him scum for doing that thing I'm voting him for and then had festivities with the family and came back and y'all had lynched him and he flipped town.

But yes.

I simply have no better place for my vote yet because there's too many people not posting, so putting it on the person who says "I'm useless vote me" fulfills my sense of basic justice while still doing something.

The better place to vote is DDD who is 1) still not posting, and 2) said that he wasn't currently voting becaus everyone has townreads on his scumreads and won't listen to him anyways, which is at least as voteable as "I'm useless vote me".

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Well until that battery ticks down to 9% or whatever hold that DDD vote in a special place in your heart.

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Sad face that:

-Ffery leaves me to deal with orcinus

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I don't remember DDD being particularly afraid to vote Andrius who most people thought were town; at the very least, "who can I get lynched" didn't really come into his consideration to the point it is here. I can't imagine that DDD going "aww man we can't get anyone lynched, imma no vote" like he seems to be doing here.

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As in at this moment I can't even come close to what he's thinking as town; as scum, I could see a "oh look at me not going for low hanging fruit" angle, but as town? Nothing.

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What do you think about DDD?

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Also why are you hunting off the VT wagon instead of the mason wagon?

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Ok so now you're outed, please stop being a lazy shit and explain your DDD read.

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And your Nati read, for that matter.

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I also think your Garmr/Magua read is kind of dumb but hey!

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Why doesn't he make sense as scum with Selkies?

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Natirasha/DDD/{Selkies, LLD}

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They just now claimed that.

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You think WIAC just fakeclaimed mason with another confirmed mason still alive?

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Is the mason confirmed and how is it confirmed?

Penguin claimed mason during the night. Kaze flipped night posting mason.

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now that 3rd mason is confirmed what do we think about the possibility of this being multiball?

Possible but I doubt that's the case.

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hey cabd I don't give a shit about multiball
talk more about reads

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what makes you think not?

I've seen a multiball mini theme once in my life and it was hosted by FakeGod.
I don't think this is #2.

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I want a massclaim, Nacho. What do you think?

You got something you wanna claim, I got something I wanna claim...
Hell yeah might as well

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I'd say it's either 9/3/1 or 10/3.

Thanks for useful input!