Open 543: Pick Your Poison (Game Over!)

[Maxous]

pausing is fine

[Powerofdeath]

Oh

[JerryArr]

The game is now paused, and will resume once all posts return, or until it's said that they cannot return.

[JerryArr]

This game is still paused. However, once it resumes, Zekrom25 will be replaced due to being banned.

[JerryArr]

Game's still paused, but when it resumes, Kalimar will replace Zekrom25.

[JerryArr]

It was suggested that the game resume. Therefore, the game is now officially resumed. All players' prod timers are reset fully, and the new deadline is 14 March, 2014 at 4 PM EDT. The game state from which we are resuming is as follows...

Open 543 Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 2.2

iamausername (3): Powerofdeath, Kublai Khan, Belisarius

Not voting: Maxous, iamausername, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, emeraldemon, YuniChikako, Zekrom25, Yiley

Day 1 deadline is 14 March, 2014 at 4 PM EDT, or in {(expired on 2014-03-14 16:00:00)}.

There are 10 living players, it takes 6 votes to lynch or no lynch.

NOTES:

Game is back on!
Daylight Savings Time will be invoked in the US at 1 AM Eastern on 9 March, 2014, at which time it will become 2 AM.

[Maxous]

to recap:

Yunichikako is the third scum imo. If she happens to be the vig, Yiley should be the next to go.
I'll vote when kalimar + whoever else wants to post does so.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I think Yuni will probably be replaced as well. I'll wait to hear what Kalimar and her replacement wants to say. Recap of my analysis in the missing posts: I feel sure that Kalimar's slot and Maxous are town. I'll save analysis on Yuni for when she is replaced. GM's interactions with Beli overall feel like town-scum although I am not as confident about it as with Maxous and Kalimar.

Beli-GM interactions

:
Both Beli and Yiley diverted attention off of the GM wagon. However, Beli initiating suspicion on GM while GM responds back with a "maybe I was wrong about LeMidget being town" in 534 came across as trying to create an out to FOS Beli which

isn't

how GM usually reacts when a scumbuddy FOSses her. I also feel that Beli-GM history with GM being one of the people Beli enjoys playing with makes sense for him to not deadline wagon GM but POD would be more *expendable* even from a town-Beli viewpoint.

Yiley-GM interactions

:

I am fairly confident Yiley is the last scum.

While GM hasn't interacted with Yiley much, the interactions from Yiley's side are bad. Post 621 from Yiley on defense of GM while admitting that she is playing badly feels like newbie scum-scum interactions. Post 96 in response to GM's post 95 feels as though he wants to take a contrary position to GM. Considering Yiley played a scumgame with Emerald where Emerald survived as scum and won, the lack of paranoia and easy townread doesn't make a lot of sense. Post 603 is another slam dunk tell when viewed in context. "

Contrary to GM up there, I am surprised that Khan is town

" makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Why is he surprised? He was happy to vote POD along with Khan - he was voting the person that Khan had made a case on so it implies that he didn't find Khan extremely scummy at the least. ISO Yiley and Ctrl+F "Khan," KK," or "Kublai" and there is no mention at all about him. I believe this post was made just in order to take a *contrary* position to GoodMorning's post 602. Then comes Post 621 which argues against the GM wagon even more as it picks up pace.

I considered the mitigating factors that make Yiley town, posted in 560 and his deadline switch to GM. Upon examining Yiley's meta, I think his questioning in Post 380 is null since he's faked it as scum before here. Post 96 actually works against him when viewed from the knowledge that GM is scum as the distancing I explained above. I like that he said he would do research which I doubt would occur to scum-Yiley but it is not impossible. There is also the fact that there was no real follow up to it.

As for the deadline switch, no one knew that Zekrom was online and would hammer. It is possible that it occured to Yiley to switch for towncred and once we realize there is no one to hammer, we would all switch back to POD. Another more likely case is that I was pushing him to switch to GM and he thought he couldn't get out of bussing and did it in the heat of the moment. He didn't have to say that he was online but then it is also possible that he didn't think it would matter. The fact that his stances in disagreement of GM make no sense outweigh these.

So, just waiting for Kalimar to post and Yuni to be replaced, but most likely, I want Yiley vigged tonight.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Maxous, thoughts about this? Oh, and I don't think GM would throw a vote on Yuni for absolutely no reason if they were scumpartners in Post 180 and her explanation about the dithering and fence-sitting in Post 195. Take a quick look at GM's meta and I don't think it would occur to her to do it. She is not the distancing type. I think she would townread and protect her buddies from lynches.

[Kublai Khan]

most likely, I want Yiley vigged tonight.

I am Khan and I endorse this statement.

[emeraldemon]

Bleh, sucks to lose posts.

@Beli
I still don't understand what you were saying about F16. You need him to be town in order to win, so you're assuming he's town?

Also might as well L-2
VOTE: iamausername

[Kalimar]

Hi.

After a super-skim of the thread, I agree with Yiley-scum.

When YC/YC replacement says hi, I'll vote.

[iamausername]

100% of rapes happen in places and locations. don't be anywhere. #safetytipsforladies

[Kublai Khan]

Who/what are we waiting for at this point.

[Belisarius]

@Beli
I still don't understand what you were saying about F16. You need him to be town in order to win, so you're assuming he's town?

“It doesn’t always work, of course. In fact, you can play for days without it working once. But that’s not the point. The point is, if your assumption is false you were going to fail anyway. That assumption represents the one thing you have to have in order to succeed, so you might as well count on it. Without it, there’s nothing you can do except shrug and go on to the next hand.”

Seems clear enough to me. What is it that isn't clear?

Who/what are we waiting for at this point.

A hammer, a vig, and a big old Game Over screen.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Who/what are we waiting for at this point.

For Yuni to be replaced and the replacement to post. I am cool with hammering then. I'm feeling impatient too but I'd rather not end it right now just in case Yuni happens to be the vig.

@ Mod, it has been 48 hours since the game restarted so I am assuming prods/replacements would happen soon?

[Maxous]

Maxous, thoughts about this?

I didn't realize the Yiley-KK thing you pointed out. It does look bad.
Sure, vig Yiley.

[JerryArr]

@ Mod, it has been 48 hours since the game restarted so I am assuming prods/replacements would happen soon?

Yep, exactly what I was about to do.
Powerofdeath, YuniChikako, and Yiley have all been prodded. It's the third one for each of them, so they will all be replaced.

[emeraldemon]

“It doesn’t always work, of course. In fact, you can play for days without it working once. But that’s not the point. The point is, if your assumption is false you were going to fail anyway. That assumption represents the one thing you have to have in order to succeed, so you might as well count on it. Without it, there’s nothing you can do except shrug and go on to the next hand.”

Seems clear enough to me. What is it that isn't clear?

I get the idea, but I don't understand how or why you're applying it in this case.

pedit: Yiley or Yulia by PoE. maybe you, but Shah end's Law applies here because if you're scum I'll ne'er bust you. Also you wouldn't be trying to save me.

Are you trying to say here that you're assuming F16 is town because if he were scum you would lose anyway? Or that F16 has to assume something? Who is assuming what exactly?

My real question I guess is, are you assuming F16 is town?

[Belisarius]

My real question I guess is, are you assuming F16 is town?

Yes, I am assuming F16 is town because we lose if he's not.

[Kalimar]

Waiting for Godot.

[JerryArr]

I hate to say it but I don't know if replacements are going to be appearing at the rate I'd probably like. I think the best option here is to do another pause, with the others to be to do nothing and hope the replacements arrive soon, or to just end the game here, which admittedly would not be great.

[Maxous]

ugh,

vote:iamusername

somebody hamma and

vig yiley

2nite

[iamausername]

VOTE: iamausername

goodbye cruel world

[emeraldemon]

Maybe extend night in case replace players have night actions.