Role Idea: Fugitive

[Elephant Hell]

The Fugutive is someone which has escaped from prison or committed a crime and is on the run from the police. Mechanics-wise, they would be similar to a Hider - each night they can choose another player to hide with to avoid being killed that night. However, there are four main differences:

1) They can hide with anti-town roles without being killed (perhaps they can hide safely only with the Mafia and not Serial Killers).

2) Hiding also 'protects' them from investigations, in that any player investigating them whilst they are hiding will not receive a result.

3) If they hide with, or are investigated by, a Cop or other law-themed role (such as an FBI Agent) they are imprisoned (mechanics-wise, they die).

4) For fear of being recognized they cannot hide with the same player twice.

They would probably be either pro-town (because they have to wait for the commotion and the violence to stop before they can quickly and quietly escape without much fuss) or a Survivor (because they want to survive, obviously).

[spectrumvoid]

I don't see how this role works out as pro-town. The only use for their power is to ferret out the investigators. They can't find out who scum is with their ability, so I don't get the pro-town alignment.

A survivor though, would work out.

[Primate]

SV: It's unightkillable. It's not the most useful pro-town ability in the world, but it's not too bad.

Role itself seems ok. Not simple enough to become a standard, just enough of a stretch from a normal ability/flavour for it to feel natural, useful, has play nuances to use. I don't mind it. The fact that they die if the person they hide with is investigated is a little clunky, but it's a perfectly flavourful extension of the original hider mechanic, and cool enough to keep in.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think a Survivor-alignment would make more thematic sense.

It is a good role idea.

[Zindaras]

It seems like a pretty cool twist on the Hider role.

[Yosarian2]

It sounds good, either as pro-town or as survivor.

Is the role a miller? (That is, someone who looks guilty to cop invetsigations?) That would make sense, and wouldn't be an unfair disadvantage if you're immune to cop investigations while hiding.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Is the role a miller? (That is, someone who looks guilty to cop invetsigations?) That would make sense, and wouldn't be an unfair disadvantage if you're immune to cop investigations while hiding.

No, it's not a Miller. They die upon a successful investigation.

[ChannelDelibird]

Is the role a miller? (That is, someone who looks guilty to cop invetsigations?) That would make sense, and wouldn't be an unfair disadvantage if you're immune to cop investigations while hiding.

No, it's not a Miller. They die upon a successful investigation.

Puts a new spin on the term 'death miller'.

I like the role, by the way.

[Yosarian2]

Is the role a miller? (That is, someone who looks guilty to cop invetsigations?) That would make sense, and wouldn't be an unfair disadvantage if you're immune to cop investigations while hiding.

No, it's not a Miller. They die upon a successful investigation.

Ah, interesting, I missed that.

[IH]

I think it'd be kinda interesting if the person the cop caught him with was either blocked or killed also...

You know, for hiding the person or such.

[Elephant Hell]

Being RBed is probably enough.

Anyways, I have a few other rough ideas:

1) The

Overworked Cop

(could also be used for Docs). Each night they choose two people who are added to a list of players the

Overworked Cop

wantsa to investigate. They'll investigate the player at the top of the list each night (once a player is investigated they're removed from the list).They must submit two players if they want to investigate anyone.

2) The

Surveillance Cop

can bug a player's phones each night to see if they contact anyone else during the night (mechanics-wise, if they're part of a group of players, such as Masons, Cults or Mafia as well as the linked roles of Siblings and Lovers). Not too sure whether this one's balanced.

3) The

Paramedic

can choose one player each night to protect from one daykill the following day.

Not sure how good these are.

[ChannelDelibird]

Being RBed is probably enough.

Anyways, I have a few other rough ideas:

1) The

Overworked Cop

(could also be used for Docs). Each night they choose two people who are added to a list of players the

Overworked Cop

wantsa to investigate. They'll investigate the player at the top of the list each night (once a player is investigated they're removed from the list).They must submit two players if they want to investigate anyone.

2) The

Surveillance Cop

can bug a player's phones each night to see if they contact anyone else during the night (mechanics-wise, if they're part of a group of players, such as Masons, Cults or Mafia as well as the linked roles of Siblings and Lovers). Not too sure whether this one's balanced.

3) The

Paramedic

can choose one player each night to protect from one daykill the following day.

Not sure how good these are.

After a certain time it would become pointless for an Overworked Cop to keep submitting names because they'd never be able to use them. I think I've seen something similar - a role when at the start of the game the player (mith?) submitted a list of all the players in the game in order of who he would most like to investigate, and each night got a result on the next person from the top of the list.

I don't think the Surveillance Cop is well-balanced, because there are so many more mafia than masons. At least with regular cops you can have millers, godfathers and the like, whereas here if you get a guilty result you can be almost certain it's scum. I think it's a bit too unbalanced.

Paramedic spoils the surprise of daykills, which is a large part of why I like them. I guess it's fine mechanically though.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

After a certain time it would become pointless for an Overworked Cop to keep submitting names because they'd never be able to use them. I think I've seen something similar - a role when at the start of the game the player (mith?) submitted a list of all the players in the game in order of who he would most like to investigate, and each night got a result on the next person from the top of the list.

This is called the Methodical Cop.

I don't think a Surveillance Cop is necessary unbalanced, but I don't like it that much anyhow. Outing a Mason group isn't that bad for the town. The cop's inability to distinguish between mafia and masons can hardly be considered a disadvantage.

[Mr. Flay]

I don't much care for the Surveillance Cop, but the Overworked one is a good variant. Players will also drop off if they are killed, and presumably the cop can blank investigations on people if something happens to make the investigation moot? Not sure what that would be, but I'd hate to investigate someone N3 when they said something D2 that made us 100% sure they were town/scum.

Paramedic is okay, but fairly useless given the rarity of daykills and the additional metric that they have to pick the person who will be daykilled before the daykill is made. A 50% chance to block any daykill made, or a one-time 100% rescue shot, might be better balanced.

I think I like the Fugitive idea, though it seems more like a Survivor than a pro-town role.

[spectrumvoid]

Oops. I misread point 3 for survivor and I thought he'd be dead. Hence not unnightkillable.

Agree with CDB here that surveillance cops are probably unbalanced.

I'd probably put the overworked cop in only to balance an underpowered scum, perhaps... I can't really think of a scenaio to put him in.

[livingod]

Surveillance cop: Say he investigates someone, say person X. He gets reported back that Person X has been in contact with V, W, Y, and Z. Hmm, a five man mason group, suspicious. They can't be masons, they have to be the mafia or cult. So now not only did our cop find one scum, he found ALL of the scum. VERY overpowering.

[ChannelDelibird]

Livingod - the description is that the Surveillance Cop is only told whether their target contacted anyone, not who they contacted.

[livingod]

Aha!

[ChannelDelibird]

However, to an extent you can get more than one scum with one investigation.

If I was the Surveillance Cop, I might claim as soon as I had one result. With the statistical probability that I am more likely to have found a mafia than a mason, I would say "Player X, you conducted night talk last night. Why, and who with?". If they're a mason they can confirm themselves and the town gets a bit pissed off, but if they are scum, they are forced to claim mason or something stupid. So even if one of their scumbuddies backs up the mason claim, as soon as one dies the other's down the toilet.

[IH]

Oh. Sounds kinda like a tracker, but to a different/lesser extent.

[Elephant Hell]

I don't much care for the Surveillance Cop, but the Overworked one is a good variant. Players will also drop off if they are killed, and presumably the cop can blank investigations on people if something happens to make the investigation moot? Not sure what that would be, but I'd hate to investigate someone N3 when they said something D2 that made us 100% sure they were town/scum.

Players would drop off if they died, but other than that the Cop would be stuck with their list.

Paramedic is okay, but fairly useless given the rarity of daykills and the additional metric that they have to pick the person who will be daykilled before the daykill is made. A 50% chance to block any daykill made, or a one-time 100% rescue shot, might be better balanced.

I like those ideas better than my original one, although if I ever used the original Paramedic it would probably be in a game with a day-SK, who has a motive to kill every day.

I think I like the Fugitive idea, though it seems more like a Survivor than a pro-town role.

If I ever use it I'll probably use it as a Survivor rather than the pro-town version I suggested initially.

I'd probably put the overworked cop in only to balance an underpowered scum, perhaps... I can't really think of a scenaio to put him in.

I'd probably add him in as an addition to an ordinary Sane Cop as an alternative to a non-Sane Cop.

A few other rough roles:

The

Achilles

is a Serial Killer with full nightkill- and investigation-immunity. However, there is also another player out there, a randomly selected Innocent (Townie on this forum) who is their

Achilles Heel

and may or may not know that they are that role. If the

Achilles

targets them the

Achilles

dies instead and that player survives.

The

Shoplifter

is an Inventor who can steal an item from a list they're given in their role PM and fence it off to another player each night. However, if investigated on any night they give another player an item the item is lost permanently. They appear as innocent to Cops, but possibly with a small note to the effect that they're a local smalltime criminal.