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[Jenter Brolincani]

Is this generally permitted as evidence?

E.g. (real scenario), I am doctor in a game, end of day 1, we lynched a townie, the night starts and finishes very fast. I realise that of the four other players left alive, just two logged in overnight. These therefore must be scum. Am I allowed to say this ingame?

[Primate]

Shady ground. I've seen people modkilled for it.

TBH, something like that can really bite you in the ass. Not only do you have invisible modes, you also have people sending their choices in by IM, maybe sending a preliminary choice before the night starts, etc. It could just so easily go wrong, and there's no way to tell how misled you are.

[Kelly Chen]

if you're able to get that information at all (regardless of whether you share it) the mod has probably reopened the game too quickly.

[IH]

Probably wouldn't hold up, as those two could be ICs with other games. Not to mention, you could be accused of it, or only one got on last night to send it in while they talked over AIM, or neither got on and they sent it in the morning, or right after, so it's a moot point.

It really isn't worth using.

[Mr. Flay]

No dice. Login information only works for people who are not "invisible" (I'm invis all the time to avoid just this reason), it only persists for five minutes after you're on so you could have missed someone, and it's metagaming. Agreed that the mod probably opened the thread too soon if you could try this at all, but I wouldn't accept it as good intel.

[IH]

Do we have last logged in info in the profile? I thought thats what he was using.

[Glork]

Do we have last logged in info in the profile? I thought thats what he was using.

Not to my knowledge... the closest we have is checking their most recent on-site post(s).

[AniX]

I would not agree with any mod who mod killed, reprimanded, or otherwise interfered with the use of this strategy. Its a strategy like any other, and, as shown in this thread, its far from foolproof. I tend to frown upon mods mod killing people or restricting communication on things that was not obtained by cheating. Looking at public information is never cheating.

So I would say if you want to use it, use it. But don't be surprised if it takes a huge chunk out of your ass.

[livingod]

^^ Agree.

It should be permissable, but far from good play. Ask your mod beforehand if you REALLY want to use it though..

[Yosarian2]

I'd say it's perfectly legal. People do so all the time. Or they do the reverse, saying "I wasn't logged in at night so I couldn't have done the kill". Nothing wrong with that, I don't think; who's logged in and visable is public information.

[MightyFireball]

Very interesting topic here, and I actually think it's fairly reliable, even if others don't. Even if the kill was discussed over IM, they'd need to log back on PM the mod, so, if you have just one guy, then it's pretty much foolproof, except that people wouldn't believe you unless you were a confirmed innocent.

[Primate]

I've Im'd the mod saying, 'I kill this dood' before. No real reason for the PM to be sent onsite.

[Elias_the_thief]

also, people may not be in only your game. they could be logging in for another game.

[Fritzler]

also i don't always log in to send a kill

often times i just im the player, if i know it (most of the time i do)

[MrBuddyLee]

It's fair play.

In Himalayan I asked the mod to hold off on my ruthless murder of an innocent for five days so I could pin it on one of the game's slackers. Scum can and should be crafty enough to take advantage of all sorts of trickery to pin kills on town. In the game in question, they could have easily communicated their nightchoices outside of Mafiascum.

Hopefully you're not posting here about an ongoing game cause that would be sketch.

ppe: since games are often repetitive, sometimes it's neat to have extraneous accusations like this come into play. spices things up.

[Thok]

In News Mafia I delibarately sent in a no kill to take advantage of the fact that one of the players in the game needed to be replaced, then killed the next night when the player was replaced.

If you really wanted to, you could send in the kill before the night started, if the day kill is going to be inevitable.

[Zindaras]

It's legal, of course. There's no rule against it. I would be very annoyed if someone got modkilled over doing it. Like MBL said, things like that are part of what playing Mafia is about. It doesn't work that well though.

Also, I've never bothered with invisible mode. I don't like it. I want to be able to see who's online.

[Mr. Flay]

I should clarify that while I wouldn't accept it

as a player

, as a moderator I wouldn't ever think about modkilling for it. Screenshots can be faked, after all...

[gorckat]

What about No-Killing and faking a screenshot of the "scum" "accidentally" sending

you

the kill PM naming

you

as the kill...

[Primate]

Sounds tricksy until someone points out that, as out-of thread communication, someone really should have been modkilled, AND WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN!

Then you go 'um I dunno', mod doesn't back you up, and you get lynched.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Firstly, on the site I had the above situation on there was only one game running, it was in the offtopic section of a Total War forum, and secondly, nobody uses invis on most fora anyway.

But thanks for your replies folks.

[spectrumvoid]

Hm. As scum I generally ask mods to delay a bit, or I purposely delay till very close to deadline.