InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

Kagami · Post Post #170 (isolation #0) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:43 am

Sesshomaru can easily go either way as alignment, and I think someone correctly pointed out that 3rd party, or even a sesshomaru & friends faction makes sense. He's not exactly a good guy.

But anyway, I was interested in bulbafenix's response specifically.

Kagami · Post Post #367 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:29 am

In post 366, shos wrote:alright welel I'll get this later

ok, so I have a new theory about shos, but it still means we should run him up.

Kagami · Post Post #434 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:08 pm

I still want the shos lynch. I don't feel whatever subtle thing mastin feels.

It's hard to imagine any intent behind shos's initial post other than to out the actual possessor of the sesshomaru flavor, which is likely a strong PR. No inuyasha fan would include sesshomaru in the game without him being an awesome role.

Nobody's touching on what I really disliked about 90. It's 100% obvious that flavor and alignment are related from our win condition alone. Though maybe it's more obvious to us because of the naraku thing, I don't think it's any coincidence that absolutely no one, out of 28 players, expressed a similar sentiment.

My theory is that the connection really wasn't clear to shos, because he is not town and is also not part of the scumgroup that includes naraku. Since it couldn't be sesshomaru and pals, the second scumgroup has to be something funky like koga et al or some other miscellaneous group of demons. To them, it might not be at all apparent that alignment and flavor are related, since they would be scum without a terribly scummy flavor.

Alternatively, it could have been a really clumsy and unnecessary crumb, but there's no harm in wagoning that either.

@mastin, I get that you like to include ridiculous reads in your lists, but sakura hadn't even confirmed her PM according to the OP.

-kagami

Kagami · Post Post #669 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:51 pm

I interpret his play as belonging to a specific character-PR combo, and I see no real harm in confirming that.

Kagami · Post Post #961 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:19 am

In post 934, shos wrote: Also from examining my role pm i can infer that the other scumteam is undead.

Is there any way you can elaborate on this? There aren't really that many undead in inuyasha.

Kagami · Post Post #1784 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:31 am

xof or BoP. Why do you have BoP as a townread?

Kagami · Post Post #1811 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:07 am

In post 1809, Birds of Prey wrote:...
Moogle, their meta actually has them more useful as town.
...

Wait, I got that one of them is Cho; we've figured out the other?

Kagami · Post Post #2359 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:38 am

In post 2342, geists wrote:
In post 2338, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:
<snip>

Foxfire: The ability to create incredibly hot greenish fire with demonic skills. It has next to no burn effect on opponents, but it can burn things like spider webs. It can neutralize fire from enemies, making it more of a defensive spell than an attack. The flame can be turned blue and can be held in his hand as a torch, such as when he is in caves or dark areas. This is also his main attack. Foxfire can be used as a shield, too. This was first shown when the fur of Shippō's deceased father created Foxfire to protect Shippō and Kagome from Hiten's thunderbolts. This ability also made its debut in the tenth episode of the series.

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

What part of that ability suggests that this is a means of detecting whether or not an entity is undead? Shippo never uses foxfire as some sort of investigative action afaik, he uses it as a somewhat laughable offense and modest defense.

Kagami · Post Post #2939 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:46 am

O wait, I forgot that our hypothetical masonry is also bulletproof, and we could have claimed in our first post of the day without penalty.

Kagami · Post Post #2955 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:45 am

wait wait wait.

Did sven hammer back at 2912?

Kagami · Post Post #3410 (isolation #10) » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:07 pm

Actually, BoP's claim makes it almost certainly 20-7-1.

Kagami · Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:19 pm

In post 4427, Oversoul wrote:
In post 4423, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:Ok mhork and oversoul. Please explain to me why her night actions make sense.

Also explain why she's a hexmage who doesn't hex.

And why foxfire investigates undead.

Both of you, go.

I don't know? I'm not town reading her based on flavor.
Why do you expect me to have these answers

K, then why do her night actions make sense?

Why are you townreading her outside of "flavor?"

Kagami · Post Post #4731 (isolation #12) » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:17 pm

In post 4727, penguin_alien wrote:...
Anyone care to provide their version of a very short game summary? Because 150+ pages won't be read until the end of the weekend.

You can check my iso for a claims summary, since then BBMolla claimed a sort of chance-based JoAT and NS claimed to have a shard of the Shikon Jewel, which has some utility for scum.

Spoiler is that Xof is scum, and oversoul prob is too. There's a Shroom wagon which is reasonably righteous, though he's not my favorite lynch.

Kagami · Post Post #4832 (isolation #13) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:27 am

shos, have you told us what you did last night to gain your vig power?

Kagami · Post Post #4834 (isolation #14) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:37 am

O, I missed that you targeted sven. I see it now.

Kagami · Post Post #4839 (isolation #15) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:16 am

In post 4837, ProHawk wrote:
In post 4829, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:I don't imagine that ceph would make up a whole role PM for them

Wrong. All scum got entire fake role PM's in AMOL.

Would ceph have made you a full role PM for a fakeclaim other than the one you were initially given? (Like, if your orignal fakeclaim was Kikyo, but you want to be shippo, would ceph have generated an entire alternate fake-claim PM?)

Kagami · Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:38 am

In post 4849, Serene2 wrote:Whoever replaces out of Bulletproof? Did Sven get banned?

That's pretty interesting. Care to flavor-claim?

Kagami · Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:28 am

A couple players have made statements about thinking someone is an SK. Oversoul is one, I think nero is another. Nero is probably town, oversoul is suspect.

Who told you SK-hunting is a thing in this game?

Do you have flavor to support your bulletproof claim?

Kagami · Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:59 am

Your predecessor's behavior does not support being bulletproof, and I have additional reason to believe you are not bulletproof.

Why don't you want to flavor claim when you were so happy to claim BP?

Kagami · Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:02 pm

Who told you SK hunting is a thing in this game?

Kagami · Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:17 pm

Sorry, but when someone hops into a slot with what I'm pretty sure is a lie, I'm not going to ignore it.

Point taken on 4888.

To better answer your SK question, three of us have a role that specifically tells us that naraku can use us to perform his kills, and the day one lynch was a ninja belonging to a mafia faction. It makes it pretty likely that naraku is an SK. The mafia faction is the Band of Seven, and I still think it's more likely that there are seven of them, for obvious reasons (which also implies that Naraku is solo, or there's just too many scum).

The only real relevance to knowing who is what is that the band of seven are undead, while naraku is a demon, which has investigative role relevance.

Kagami · Post Post #4901 (isolation #21) » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:18 pm

In post 4899, ActionDan wrote:Serene always claims bp as a joke

didn't know that -_-

Kagami · Post Post #5076 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:48 pm

Shos has claimed a strongman vig shot. Even if he were confirmed SK, it would be worth leashing it, imo.

I also don't think he's scum, I think he's essentially a thief who gets things that give him vig shots or make his vig shots gain different properties. His role seems like one of those things that fits the theme so elegantly that I don't see Ceph relegating it to a fake claim.

Kagami · Post Post #5080 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:05 pm

Kagami · Post Post #5095 (isolation #24) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:09 am

In post 5092, shos wrote:I honestly do not understand where this is coming from.
I duel people. From that I receive abilities. The role is really not complicated.

That's what a thief is. That's what I said you are.

If your role is "unblockable except by naraku." That's a strongman kill.

I think you should explain what your role PM says in full. Earlier is was confusing, but now it's not complicated?

Kagami · Post Post #5142 (isolation #25) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:24 am

Could you explain the results of your night actions as best as possible, shos?

Thief doesn't necessarily influence the target, it's just a name for a role that is a soft flavor-cop who may get some power based on who they target (e.g. Messiah Complex's role in Touhou: LoF). The role you've claimed is basically thief that gets killing powers.

Kagami · Post Post #5144 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:28 am

If we're not lynching xof, then I would

love

to see her transform into someone for the night and make them say something the next day.

Kagami · Post Post #5145 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:30 am

(I'm not even sure how ceph plans to make that happen)

Kagami · Post Post #5148 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:40 am

You said there was more to the n1 result earlier. I mean flavor, this isn't a Normal game where that should be ignored.

Kagami · Post Post #5150 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:46 am

ryujin is a dragon guy. He has tosho make a weapon out of his dragonscales for him. It surely is relevant based on what you had said before.

Kagami · Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:13 am

Ryujin has every relevance to the dragonscale tessaiga.

Ryujin has tosho make a blade for him out of his scales. Tosho turns out to be a bad dude and uses the sword (dakki) to kill ryujin and fights inuyasha with it. Through the battle, Inuyasha's sword gets dakki powers and becomes the dragonscale tessaiga.

What I'm trying to get to here, is that the flavor of your second night action most assuredly has something to do with Serene's character. You should be able to say something that would likely confirm to serene that you visited them last night.

Kagami · Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:56 am

We don't need serene's flavor, we just need a yes or no on whether their character seems appropriate for the ability.

Kagami · Post Post #5209 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:01 pm

In post 5203, xofelf wrote:Holy shit shos, what the fuck are you even doing? Why are you flailing so hard?

Also Kagami, what happens is I transform into someone for the night and the next day they are required to post a 100 character or less message I've prepared for them within their first 5 posts of the next day. They can't change what I've said or add to it. They're allowed to talk about it, and I can't make them vote.

What happens if they don't?

Kagami · Post Post #5219 (isolation #33) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:14 am

I don't think that ability is scum if it's real.

Kagami · Post Post #5220 (isolation #34) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:16 am

It seems insane to me that Ceph would make a post restriction role with a modkill for those who disobey. The sensible implementation would be to inform the player that the message will be edited into their first post of the day.

Kagami · Post Post #5221 (isolation #35) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:19 am

Only problem is that if what prohawk said is true, there's really no reason to just make stupid things up when she could just ask ceph for a proper fake-claim. Xof-scum has to be incredibly lazy.

Kagami · Post Post #5223 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:27 am

There's no utility at all for the ability for anyone, it's functionally a fruit vendor that forces the recipient to state that they've been vendored.

It's a silly ability, and fairly fitting for Shippo if it's real. I just have a hard time believing that Ceph would implement it in the way described. Seems like obviously terrible modding practice.

Kagami · Post Post #5225 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:34 am

Actionally, no, there's an important redirection/hiding aspect to the role if I understand it correctly. It has significant utility.

p-edit: no, because they'll just say "I have been forced to say the following by scum: 'I am a cop...' "

Kagami · Post Post #5228 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:14 am

In post 5227, shos wrote:that message ability is extremely pointless apart from vending. if somehow xofelf makes it to 1-before-lylo, he should use it to confirm he didn't make the kill(s).

Explain this fully?

Also, how did you infer that jiffy is a demon night 1?

Kagami · Post Post #5232 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:09 am

How did you infer that majiffy is a demon night 1?

Kagami · Post Post #5234 (isolation #40) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:40 am

but tosho is a human.

Kagami · Post Post #5241 (isolation #41) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:07 am

My takeaway here is that shos is probably not the SK.

If ceph is consistent with FE:A, and he probably is, only groupscum has the "no killing and acting on the same night" clause, and that went away if they were the last mafia remaining. The SK had no such restriction, and SK shos wouldn't have posted 5227. That post does strike me as slippy; I don't think I would infer that mafia can't kill and act just because I can't use my one-shot vig and act.

Shos could be groupscum, though that means bulb is almost certainly not a partner.

I would like serene to confirm shos's action N2.

Kagami · Post Post #5242 (isolation #42) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:11 am

Yes, I know the flavor. I never watched the whole series straight through, but I've probably seen about a third of the episodes out of order.

I am fairly competent at navigating the inuyasha wiki though, and I'm a little surprised that this appears to be a somewhat unique skill. Given that ceph lifted my PM image and some text straight off the wiki page makes me think he's referenced it too, so I'm also taking the wiki articles as slightly better than the actual show for flavor gaming.

Kagami · Post Post #5245 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:33 am

In post 5243, shos wrote:how can she confirm my action.?

hey that's true, google search by image indeed gives the wiki. interesting. wonder if we can use this somehow.

also in the images that are visually similar I saw something realy funny but I wanna ask the mod permission first

Serene will be able to say if they have a flavor related to the diamond tessaiga (most likely hosenki).

It's useless since everyone can find the wiki image to any claim they want to make.

Doge demon.

Kagami · Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:42 pm

I believe you, but sure if you want to.

Kagami · Post Post #5278 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:13 am

Two JoATs is fine. BB isn't really a joat anyway, since his abilities are all pretty unreliable outside of the commutify-ing. 1-shot supervig if he gets a shard is pretty amazing, though.

The issues with xof's claim lie elsewhere, and this isn't like the vampire game where it could just be a gross misunderstanding of the role PM. Foxfire as an undead detector is inexplicably goofy, and if there's flavor to support it in the ability text, she's made no attempt to explain that.

The hexmage thing is weird and doesn't line up with Ceph's interpretation of what a hexmage should do.

Also, it seems unlikely to me that she didn't follow BB rather than her claimed action.

If we don't lynch xof, I'd like her to do the "appear as someone else and make them post stuff" thing. Reason being that this is by far the most Shippo-like ability, it's provable, it's very hard to fit into the role of a Bo7 member flavor-wise, and it's implementation is unbelievable enough that it seems the most likely to be faked.

Kagami · Post Post #5284 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:26 am

Where's serene?

Could one of those heads confirm shos's action last night?

Kagami · Post Post #5293 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:56 am

Spoiler: xof claim wall

I have xof as having the following abilities

1. Undead cop (Foxfire)
2. Self-commute
3. Vote Thief
4. First-vote preventer?
5. Permavote (Firebomb)
6. coinflip ascetic?
7. One random active ability cop
8. Transform into someone for the night and make them say something the next day on penalty of modkill.
9. Unclaimed (lulz).

The only good ability is undead cop, and I'm not going to direct that because roleblocking is a thing. Everything else is garbage or anti-town until endgame. I really want to see #8 happen if we don't lynch her. It's provable, or has to be used on a buddy (which is also pretty great), it's claimed implementation is highly suspect, and I really doubt ceph shoehorned that into a Bo7 character's ability.

Exactly

Kagami · Post Post #5294 (isolation #48) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:02 am

No idea how the exactly got there.

Kagami · Post Post #5296 (isolation #49) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:21 am

Actually, I'm not even going to entertain the idea of not lynching xof. No sane individual would describe that ability list with

In post 2189, xofelf wrote:
There's a huge list of nightactions I can take, some of which are investigative, others protective, and some are downright silly. But I'm town.

Kagami · Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:41 am

Extremely Low Activity for an undetermined length of time, but probably not too long.

Someone may be /in-ing to the kagami mafia family very soon

Kagami · Post Post #5405 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:52 pm

In post 5317, Serene2 wrote:
In post 5284, Kagami wrote:Where's serene?

Could one of those heads confirm shos's action last night?

how the hell would we be able to do that

Shos claim is that he visited you last night and that your flavor probably has something to do with the adamant barrage/diamond tessaiga.

Could you go to the inuyasha wiki, look up your character, and give us a y/n about whether you can ctrl-f "diamond" or "barrage?"

Kagami · Post Post #5655 (isolation #52) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:15 am

In post 5646, zMuffinMan wrote:can someone give me a list of all the claims currently on the table or point me to where someone has listed them

I have it written up, I'll post it once I have time in the afternoon.

Shos, who visited you last night, and what is their race?

Kagami · Post Post #5661 (isolation #53) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:18 am

No, but BoP has claimed ascetic, xof had a 1-shot commute, and BB has a %chance commutify.

Shos also self-watches and detects race of his visitors.

p-edit: jiffy didn't target shos, shos guessed his race based on visiting jiffy.

Kagami · Post Post #5662 (isolation #54) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:19 am

The no was to muffin.

Kagami · Post Post #5678 (isolation #55) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:25 am

No, there's motivation behind AD's statement. It's also quite deliberate.

Kagami · Post Post #5680 (isolation #56) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:27 am

Not a slip, and probably not scum.

Kagami · Post Post #5681 (isolation #57) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:28 am

There's a world of difference between a one-liner clearly stating a belief/hypothesis for which there's good reason to think it's true, versus a casual statement in the middle of a paragraph that makes no sense from an uninformed standpoint.

Kagami · Post Post #5690 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:08 am

Claimzors

ALIVE

Spoiler: Lord Mhork, unclaimed

Spoiler: shos, Scenter Empathic Vigilante

Spoiler: ProHawk, Shard Thief

Spoiler: Aronis-slot, Unclaimed and resistant to claiming

Spoiler: Oversoul, Unknown Negative Utility

Spoiler: Squirrel Girl, Doublevoter

Spoiler: beastcharizard, Poisonproof

Spoiler: notscience, Puppet

Spoiler: Birds of Prey, Ascetic

Spoiler: ActionDan, Poison Doctor?

Spoiler: Kagami, Faustian Puppet

Spoiler: Majiffy, Puppet

Spoiler: Nero Cain, Unknown

Spoiler: Young and Beautiful, Friendly Neighbor

Spoiler: neil1113, Unclaimed

Spoiler: The Goat, Investigator?

Spoiler: penguin_alien, Unclaimed

Spoiler: BBmolla, Priestess

Spoiler: Egg, Unclaimed

Spoiler: zMuffinMan, VT

Dead and Flipped

Spoiler: Lemniscate, 2-shot Nonconsecutive Ninja

Spoiler: AngryIcerink, Town Demon Vanilla

Spoiler: Mist7676, Town Human Demon-Cop

Spoiler: geists, Town Human Vanilla

Spoiler: xofelf, Town Demon Hexmage

We'll find out soonAbomination, ?, killed Night 3.
The Chamber of Kittens, ?, killed Night 3.
Serene2, ?, killed Night 3.

Kagami · Post Post #5691 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:09 am

Halfway through I started using unclaimed instead of unknown, but I mean the same thing.

Kagami · Post Post #5692 (isolation #60) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:09 am

O, and Lord Mhork has claimed Race: Undead, forgot that.

Kagami · Post Post #5693 (isolation #61) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:11 am

Prohawk, did you know anything about the shards prior to stealing one? Do you know anything extra about them now?

Kagami · Post Post #5701 (isolation #62) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:24 am

I'll correct claims when the flips happen.

@muffin: We basically know the flavor of the SK (Naraku) because of our puppet roles. Shard thief might fit that flavorwise with the saimyosho, but idk. I would expect more resistance to claiming from a solo-scum shardthief though, since he's probably painted a bullseye on himself.

Kagami · Post Post #5702 (isolation #63) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:25 am

In post 5700, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 5690, Kagami wrote:Gains an ability deemed useless related to the dragonscale tessaiga. Said ability could have confirmed xof, but is unclaimed.

. . . . .

I could make a whole post on the vagaries of the shos claim.

Kagami · Post Post #5703 (isolation #64) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:28 am

^ I meant something implying a large amount of text.

Thing is: 3 kills last night, and one of them was the target shos said he would kill, though I guess poison shenanigans are definitely possible.

Kagami · Post Post #5708 (isolation #65) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:38 am

Thought it was xof, oversoul, squirrel girl, mhork, and idk.

Xof flipped town, though I think I'll be vindicated by the revelation of her role PM postgame.

I actually think PH is telling the truth, but I want to get more from him about what he knew of the shards. I still don't get how the shards could do what people are claiming, because so far only one role "powers up" from them.

Shos might be scum. I think what I was right about my suspicions at the beginning of yesterday, but they were exclusive with OS being scum. I doubt shos and OS share alignment.

Still think SG and mhork are poss-scum, but I want flips.

Kagami · Post Post #5709 (isolation #66) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:42 am

In post 5706, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 5703, Kagami wrote:3 kills last night, and one of them was the target shos said he would kill

right. if he's scum, he's telling the truth about his role

so 3 kills is perfectly reasonable regardless of shos's alignment

Two roles interact with poison, poison is def a thing. Shos could be groupscum who knew they had poisoned someone last night (hence 1 kill). He could then claim one-shot vig and "prove" that he's a vig when three kills occurred today.

I guess double-killing scum are possible, but poison shenanigans seem more likely given 1 kill night 2.

Jiffy has been pushing shos-SK, but I really doubt an SK would claim vig so early in a 28 player game.

Kagami · Post Post #5711 (isolation #67) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:45 am

shos-groupscum implies that it was groupscum who didn't kill night 2, which makes 4313 a townslip rather than a scumslip.

Kagami · Post Post #5712 (isolation #68) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:48 am

In post 5710, Lord Mhork wrote:Kagami can I ask why you think I'm scum? I don't remember a progression there at all

Too much certainty that xof was town, and absolutely no concern for the issues with her claim.

Kagami · Post Post #5714 (isolation #69) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:01 am

It could be, but that's pretty amazing to have such confidence that you can ignore the non-tone content of her posts.

I still think she lied about the follow, and I suspect that her ninth ability is roleblocking type. I think she didn't read her role PM well, realized it later (after she had claimed to have no blocking type abilities), and left it out of the wall of claim. She may have even foregone readable formatting of her posts to obfuscate that. She made no attempt to address the issues with her claims and proceeded to post only within prod range even while being wagoned.

So yes, it is a little surprising to me that you knew she was town.

Kagami · Post Post #5737 (isolation #70) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:19 am

You mean targeted by undead.

The Band of Seven are undead. All of them are undead. It would be thematic that the multiple personality doctor (Suikotsu) appears human to investigation, but otherwise all the groupscum are undead.

Kagami · Post Post #5740 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:21 am

It doesn't matter if you don't like flavor gaming. Scum should generally be undead, and the SK is a demon. That's clearly the whole point of our having races.

Yes, there are flavors of undead that make sense as town, but three of them are apparently scum fakeclaims, so I'm also skeptical of undead millerism.

Kagami · Post Post #5749 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:28 am

In post 5745, shos wrote:
In post 5740, Kagami wrote:It doesn't matter if you don't like flavor gaming. Scum should generally be undead, and the SK is a demon. That's clearly the whole point of our having races.

Yes, there are flavors of undead that make sense as town,
but three of them are apparently scum fakeclaims
, so I'm also skeptical of undead millerism.

huh?

Lemniscate claimed Kocho, undead mason. It was mentioned several times that her partners would be flavored Kikyo and Asuka. No one counterclaimed.

She probably knew those flavors were safe, and I wouldn't be surprised if ceph provided the mason claim, but her partners abandoned ship.

Kagami · Post Post #5753 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:32 am

What does the dragonscale tessaiga do, shos?

Kagami · Post Post #5765 (isolation #74) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:01 am

In post 5083, shos wrote:...

In post 5076, Kagami wrote:Shos has claimed a strongman vig shot. Even if he were confirmed SK, it would be worth leashing it, imo.

I also don't think he's scum, I think he's essentially a thief who gets things that give him vig shots or make his vig shots gain different properties. His role seems like one of those things that fits the theme so elegantly that I don't see Ceph relegating it to a fake claim.
strongman? Me? Since when?
...

o.o

Kagami · Post Post #5783 (isolation #75) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:53 am

demon undead? There are only 2 of those to my knowledge, and I'd be pretty surprised if "The Undead Ogre" is a character in the game.

Kagami · Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:19 am

In post 5789, shos wrote:Kagami, whats your input about the above flavorwise?

Mahiffy, ehat is your question?

I want a flavor-claim from Mhork.

Kagami · Post Post #5800 (isolation #77) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:44 pm

None of that makes sense, shos.

Oversoul, what do you think about mhork's claim?

Kagami · Post Post #5807 (isolation #78) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:50 pm

flip flip flip~

Kagami · Post Post #5817 (isolation #79) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:20 pm

Bah, don't get to see flips. Prob sleepy time for kagami.

Kagami · Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:54 am

In post 5874, shos wrote:VOTE: zmuffin

All aboard thr scumtrain!

I got lotz to say but from comp not phone

Muffin is pretty much right about everything he's said on the last page, though I still think the existence of a scum godfather commutifier remains unlikely.

The flip also makes PH likely town to my mind, unless many Bo7 members (but not all) have a 1-shot shard theft ability. That will indeed sort itself out.

So mala-slot flipping neighbor is a surprise to me. I thought they were claiming masons.

I want OS to talk to me about mhork's claim.

Kagami · Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:58 am

O, and not sure what serene's heads were smoking, but hosenki is exactly the flavor I would expect to correspond to adamant barrage. Shos dueling ability is pretty much flavor cop.

Kagami · Post Post #5890 (isolation #82) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:01 am

AD, I think it might be a good idea to check The Goat.

Kagami · Post Post #5908 (isolation #83) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:13 am

In post 5897, The Goat wrote:
In post 5890, Kagami wrote:AD, I think it might be a good idea to check The Goat.

Explain.

One of three things happened last night:

1. A scum godfather commutifyer rolestopped and maybe roleblocked shos.

2. Both The Goat and BB were roleblocked.

3. Shos is an SK.

I find 1 unlikely because it's a stupid role, though maaaybe fitting of suikotsu. I find 3 possible but also unlikely given shos's claim and day 1 activity.

2 also seems unlikely because why on earth would goat be blocked, and why would scum get two roleblockers. So here's my pet theory: Bo7 blocked BBMolla, fearing he got a shard and would use a powerful ability. They didn't block shos because he had sort of claimed strongman, and also because the blocker is undead and was worried shos would identify him. Naraku blocked the goat, but why? I think maybe naraku has a miasma poison kill that also roleblocks. The Goat makes little sense to block, but might make a lot of sense as a kill+block.

Kagami · Post Post #5926 (isolation #84) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:11 am

Muffin is town, and you probably are too. Scum knew prohawk would be vindicated, I don't think they'd have jumped on a wagon they knew would go nowhere. ( I wouldn't put it past muffin, but he's probtown for other reasons )

More fun question, how did katsuki know he was a miller, while mhork had no idea?
VOTE: Oversoul

Kagami · Post Post #5928 (isolation #85) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:11 am

"you" was mhork.

Kagami · Post Post #5936 (isolation #86) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:16 am

His first post claims negative utility. I doubt he's a miller as well as something else that's bad.

Kagami · Post Post #5940 (isolation #87) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:23 am

Second post, whatever. This one:

In post 128, Katsuki wrote:
In post 21, Majiffy wrote:I am potentially a negative-utility town role. I would rather not expound any further on it at the moment because I'm not entirely certain as to the nuances outside of my control.

Carry on.

what a coincidence so am I!

Kagami · Post Post #5944 (isolation #88) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:32 am

In post 5939, shos wrote:Nero how would you explain the fact that he claimed neg utility on post 21, later claimed Ryujin, later kagami and I proved he is indeed ryujin, AND the flavor fits miller, I rea`lly can't see how he is scum, despite his foolish play

Actually, ryujin doesn't fit puppet, but I wasn't bothered by it since you had (falsely) determined he was a demon. The validation that you flavor cop makes it true regardless.

Kagami · Post Post #5958 (isolation #89) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:18 am

Oversoul has claimed Urasue, Demon whatever; with ability: You investigate as undead

Kagami · Post Post #5963 (isolation #90) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:36 am

VOTE: aronis

Kagami · Post Post #5965 (isolation #91) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:42 am

Lemniscate believed Kikyo was safe.

Bulbafenix vanished after Lemniscate's claim, returned the following day.

and

In post 3027, BulbaFenix wrote:...
I'm thinking a team of undead and a team of demons if multiball or a mix if single. There would likely be an investigative role for each type and undead and demons spread throughout the town to give false positives.

-Bulba

Kagami · Post Post #5967 (isolation #92) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:45 am

Lemniscate claimed Kocho as a mason. She would have been counterclaimed by an asuka or kikyo flavor, and this was pointed out. No CC came.

Unlike mhork, bulb didn't seem to have any reservations about undead being scum.

Kagami · Post Post #5971 (isolation #93) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:50 am

claim: 2768
lynch: 2968

Less than a full 24 hours, but only 4 or 5 people failed to post in that time, and bulbafenix had two heads to use at a pretty critical time in the game.

Kagami · Post Post #5981 (isolation #94) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:28 am

I don't think this claim was discussed in the scum QT, I think aronis did it on a whim.

Kagami · Post Post #5983 (isolation #95) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:29 am

(i.e. There's probably no deep reason behind it, I think aronis just decided to claim the fakeclaim given to him without checking that it was toxic)

Kagami · Post Post #5990 (isolation #96) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:35 am

Just to be sure, did your ability do anything to jiffy N1, shos?

Kagami · Post Post #5994 (isolation #97) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:39 am

In post 5991, Birds of Prey wrote:How does it make sense that Mhork is a one shot watcher and we have a multiple shot tracker?

Because groupscum had a ninja every other night and the SK is also a ninja?

Kagami · Post Post #5995 (isolation #98) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:39 am

In post 5993, Birds of Prey wrote:Redirector also does make sense. The Goat getting no result is exactly what would happen if someone visited me. Scum keep me alive, redirect likely cop checks onto me and shos is likely to be checked regardless of his/her alignment.

Why on earth would they pick the goat to redirect and not shos?

Kagami · Post Post #5998 (isolation #99) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:42 am

And egg is ridiculously town. Would a scum tracker have outed PH's shard theft, knowing that their shard thief buddy was about to flip?

Kagami · Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:47 am

There's no way scum decided to block/redirect bulbafenix on night 1 when shos had claimed some goofy vigilante and xof had claimed 1-shot undead cop. And that's assuming there is a second block, since Y&B was also blocked n1.

Kagami · Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:57 am

Problem with shos ascetic SK, aside from all the attention he drew to himself day 1, is that it makes no sense to be both ascetic and a ninja.

Kagami · Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:58 am

Unless the puppets are designed to get around a "no acting and killing" thing, but in FE:A at least, ceph just didn't restrict the SK.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:24 am

In post 6002, zMuffinMan wrote:not important anyway since aronis's reaction is less antitown than it would be if he were town

Pretty amazing scumtell.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:28 am

Yes, that was pretty amazing. So why didn't they block you?

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:41 am

In post 6184, shos wrote:
In post 6178, Kagami wrote:Yes, that was pretty amazing. So why didn't they block you?

well I made sure to say like a thousand times how useless DS is.

I meant the night you killed. If I were scum, and someone said "hey I'm going to shoot either scum1 or scum2 with my maybe not so sure kinda strongman vig shot," you better believe I would do something about it.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:45 am

In post 6182, Oversoul wrote:
In post 6179, Egg wrote:I'm alive?

I'm more surprised you haven't tracked me despite having such an undying want for my lynch.

Kagami, he wasn't blocked because Shos says he can't be blocked?

I would block a claimed strongman vig shot on buddies with 100% likelihood.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:46 am

(I would kill him too!)

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:50 am

You'd have to have been blocked by a human. The only feasible godfathers among the Bo7 are suikotsu, who just flipped, and renkotsu, who is claimed by mhork.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:53 am

I don't see any reason why The Goat would have been blocked the night before this one.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:37 am

I don't mind massclaim, though I think it would be a good idea to exempt neil and p_a, and to exclude any mention of shardbearing.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:39 am

It can't be that hard to find whatever you're looking for, shos.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:40 am

(re: ability name - flavor correspondence)

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:05 am

In post 6229, The Goat wrote:
In post 6199, Kagami wrote:I don't see any reason why The Goat would have been blocked the night before this one.

Hi!

Again, I'm not entirely sure I was blocked. I was told that I got no result.

And it happened again last night. Last night, I tried to investigate Neil.

Have you attempted to investigate BoP on any nights?

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:12 am

Given you were blocked last night, maybe you were indeed blocked the night before. I don't get why though.

Kagami · Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:09 am

my god, this is going to continue for another 3 pages.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:24 am

There's probably not a lyncher. This conversation is silly.

I'm mulling over jiffy's position, in part because of bulb's replace out post (and the point serene made which was followed by their death). It is a heck of a coincidence that both players who targeted shos the night prior were blocked, and that scum made no attempt to stop a vig kill that was guaranteed to be aimed at scum.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:25 am

Shos's play doesn't strike me as SK play, though, which is the only thing he could be.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:25 am

or some goofy scum role that has to kill a partner, but that makes no sense, since 20-6-1 is already not a lot of scum.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:33 am

they can't have tried to stop you, don't you remember why that is?

@Y&B: No mod worth his salt would set a lyncher on a friendly neighbor.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:37 am

ceph would have rerolled it.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:38 am

with an "oops" in the modnotes. Giving someone an unwinnable condition is just terrible, worse than having a survivor.

Also, BoP would have faked a guilty, since that would be the only choice he'd have.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:28 am

In post 6328, shos wrote:The speculationis lollish.
BoP plays like shit and keeps throwing dirt, yes, but really I think if there is a lyncher it is Maj; BoP has actually done aomething in the game, majiffy fiercely refuses to.

Kagami: nop, dont remember why. If they have a human blocker - why not?

There's no human blocker. They have no humans. They are all undead.

Every one of the Bo7 is undead. They all investigate as undead. The only feasible godfather among the Bo7 has flipped undead.

Naraku is a demon. There are no human scum.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:30 am

And I really, really doubt that the remaining groupscum are {BB, Y&B, one more} or {BB, Y&B, mhork, one more}, though I'd love for it to be so easy.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:32 am

Yes, that would explain why the scumteam is called the "band of 8 or 9"

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:33 am

Because they are the band of seven. And the band of seven are undead.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:36 am

I'm putting weight on common sense.

Ceph did not design a game with the band of seven, and make there 8 of them, two of whom are random non-undead and then make one of the Bo7 town.

Renkotsu as non-scum Bo7 is fine, but that doesn't change the fact that the groupscum are the rest of the band of seven.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:38 am

In post 6361, Birds of Prey wrote:
Kilks for scum are like a chessmatch. They cannot shoit themsekves, me, YnB, BBMolla (assuming I am wrong on them which I am not) likely healed ppl, powerful prs weaker than fake claims, etc

why can't they shoot you? Why couldn't they shoot shos, who if town, is 90% of the town power?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:38 am

VOTE: BoP

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:41 am

You don't believe anything you're saying.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:43 am

Counting must be hard.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:46 am

Do you not realize that mhork claimed Bo7?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:47 am

In post 6305, Birds of Prey wrote:Ok. Stop flavor hunting. Stop SK hunting. We likely have four scum left.

Does anyone else find it odd YnB modified their claim to add the three shot limitation?

Why did you say this?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:48 am

(the four scum left part)

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:56 am

I don't care how much you want to pretend to be incompetent by arguing that you don't know flavor and don't need to.

Flavor is relevant here, flavor is important here. Flavor tells us that there are seven groupscum (or six with mhork as town) who are all undead and 1 SK who is a demon. There's no pretending that isn't the case.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:16 am

Neil, does your role PM confirm that your neighbors are the flavors that they claim?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:16 am

In post 6412, zMuffinMan wrote:what flavour

They're presumably the wolf pack.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:36 am

No other scum are stupid enough to fake-claim undead town.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:37 am

wolf pack shouldn't ever flavor claim anyway.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:43 am

No, but it's not Bo7 and prob not naraku.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:44 am

Molla claimed to have commuted me night 2, I think. It has 75% chance to work with no shard, so I'm actually a little surprised he doesn't just commutify people every night.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:45 am

It would block the kill; I had asked ceph earlier if commuting me would block the kill if I were used for it.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:47 am

What does ceph say?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:50 am

He didn't claim a 100% cop ability, or he'd have been using that...

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:50 am

In post 6430, shos wrote:
In post 6427, Kagami wrote:It would block the kill; I had asked ceph earlier if commuting me would block the kill if I were used for it.

lolz is this is a scumslip.

Aren't you the one keeping track of roles?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:57 am

I think you're confusing the goat's claim (kagome) with my user name, shos.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:13 am

How did BB get a shard?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:20 am

If BB really has a shard, then BoP's team shardcopped him.

I see zero reason to believe BB ever got a shard unless shippo had one, and that would have come N3.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:20 am

It's trolling shos, as far as he's concerned, you flavor-cleared him and there's no point in claiming.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:27 am

Abom flipped shardcop (which makes goat pretty town)

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:33 am

Check the condition on that. It basically would only work if both teams kill the same person, and that person has a shard. There's no way BB got a shard from that useless power.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:33 am

Even if he did night one, who would know that?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:43 am

I think he just presumes that anyone who would give you the wind scar is town. He's probably right.

So on the last page:

BoP says, why did BB waste his 100% commute on commuting you?
but BB didn't have a 100% commute, because he didn't get a shard unless his passive somehow got it on night 1.

So why would BoP think BB had a 100% commute?

He either knows that his team should have gotten a shard night 1 and didn't (I don't think this is possible unless both PH and Abom targeted the same player for a thieving), or he shardcopped BB night 2 and found out BB had a shard.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:45 am

Why do you think he has to be scum to have a shard?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:48 am

Maybe you should try reading the game instead of shos summary.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:48 am

So you thought he was a magic shard fountain?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:50 am

In post 4486, BBmolla wrote:Okay, I am Midoriko, Town Priestess. I'm basically a JOAT, but all my actions have a percentage to succeed. However, if I have a shard, my next action will have a 100% chance to succeed. I also passively get a shard if it was going to be obtained by more than one player simultaneously. This only works if I do nothing though.

My abilities are basically this:
Ability with 50% chance to see if player has a shard
Ability with 10% chance to kill a non-human player. If it succeeds and they're human, does nothing.
Ability with 50% chance to protect a player. I can self-protect, but this will only work successfully once.
Ability with 75% chance to force a player to commute.
Ability with 25% chance to be told if a player is town or scum

Night 1 I didn't do shit cause percentage roles are dumb so I figured I'd wait for a shard
Night 2 I commuted moogul so I could maybe block naraku's shit and not be useless

My role is pretty terrible cause percentages, but this game would be insane if xofelf's role also existed as town. Considering that she's confirmed my action last night, she's probably a scum JOAT.

I don't understand you people. Read the claim.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:52 am

Nobody else gets shards. It's pretty straightforward, and likely completely useless until near endgame.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:54 am

So you typed that up, saw several preview posts, and thought "Nah, don't need to read those. Probably not relevant."

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:57 am

In post 4486, BBmolla wrote:Okay, I am Midoriko, Town Priestess. I'm basically a JOAT, but all my actions have a percentage to succeed. However, if I have a shard, my next action will have a 100% chance to succeed. I also passively get a shard if it was going to be obtained by more than one player simultaneously. This only works if I do nothing though.

My abilities are basically this:
Ability with 50% chance to see if player has a shard
Ability with 10% chance to kill a non-human player. If it succeeds and they're human, does nothing.
Ability with 50% chance to protect a player. I can self-protect, but this will only work successfully once.
Ability with 75% chance to force a player to commute.
Ability with 25% chance to be told if a player is town or scum

Night 1 I didn't do shit cause percentage roles are dumb so I figured I'd wait for a shard
Night 2 I commuted moogul so I could maybe block naraku's shit and not be useless

My role is pretty terrible cause percentages, but this game would be insane if xofelf's role also existed as town. Considering that she's confirmed my action last night, she's probably a scum JOAT.

Works like this, I'd presume.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:04 am

If you have a shard such that an even-night shardcop would have seen that you had it on night 2, you should claim it so we can lynch BoP.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:09 am

No, he could have started with one.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:09 am

But I'm glad you didn't consider that, because it confirms that you believe he got a shard night 1.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:10 am

Yes, yes I do, BB.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:11 am

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:11 am

(BoP's still scum)

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:52 am

I, too, have a townread on Venmar-PA.

Not because she's a mason or anything, but rather because of her stellar posting.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:13 am

In post 6504, zMuffinMan wrote:it's not that stellar tbh

-_-

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:50 am

No. Nothing I have posted has anything to do with that question.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:50 am

You are peregrin?

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:15 am

In post 6511, Birds of Prey wrote:Kagami were you implying a shardcop could actually get a result on us earlier?

Actually, you're right, but that was way earlier. I was curious if the goat had tested your asceticism.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:20 pm

I thought nero would flip something interesting.

We're pitifully weak, which means mhork is probably town.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:25 pm

Actually, I guess we have a lot of almost-conftown.

I have as almost conftown by role/night action:

Lord Mhork
ProHawk
notscience
Majiffy
Young and Beautiful
neil1113
penguin_alien
Egg
zMuffinMan

Def not groupscum:
Shos

Probably town by play:
notscience
ActionDan
The Goat
BBmolla

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:26 pm

If P_A confirms what neil said, then a 3-man masonry is pretty potent, but otherwise 90% of town power is shos (assuming he's not sk)

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:27 pm

If BoP is indeed an ascetic, then they're probtown too.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:40 pm

pretty much.

oversoul, beast, BoP, SG.

I guess BB too, maybe I'm reacting too much to BoP's insanity. His night actions are kind of ridic.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:41 pm

I would totally protect shos, and I agree that he's prob not SK. He's functionally a cop+vig; I don't care that he's a goofball.

We apparently only have a poison doctor, though.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:56 pm

PA should be able to confirm that, so it would be a pretty terrible lie if not. MalaMastin certainly acted like they were confirmed, but maybe that's just mastin.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:01 pm

meh, they should talk about neighborhood chat. Mala was 100% convinced neil and PA were town.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:03 pm

^best thing you've said this entire game.

Kagami · Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:07 pm

Neighbors, could you confirm with ceph that there's no possibility of him pulling a FakeGod move? (i.e. "Your neighbor is hakkaku," when in fact he's Naraku)

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:53 am

In post 6559, Egg wrote:Kagami, why are Mhork, Prohawk, and Muffin on your near confirmed by role list?

Bbmolla, why does Prohawk's claim make him town?

Beast, didn't Actiondan bring up poison before you?

PH is probtown because he's confirmed to be a shard-thief which is redundant with Abom's role.

Muffin is probably confirmed by shos's investigation, and also by his conviction that he's cleared by said investigation.

Mhork is probtown because from what I can tell, town is actually quite weak, and we're rolling them mostly because they're bad. I would be surprised to see 20-7-1 at this point.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:13 am

Maybe you get wind scar from many different flavors, but I would imagine you wouldn't get anything from the living Bo7 members. I guess wind scar could come from ginkotsu, but that seems like a stretch.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:14 am

two of the remaining non-renkotsu Bo7ers are killed by koga, and the other one is killed by sesshomaru.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:15 am

really doubt muffin is scum anyway.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:59 am

I did, and I inferred it from 4411. I put a question mark in my list for a reason.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:15 am

Part of the reason I've been pretty sure you're town, shos, despite the claim goofiness, is that a lot of the flipped flavors make sense being in the game only because of your ability.

Ryujin as a puppet is such a silly stretch that I'm 100% sure he's here just for your dragonscale tessaiga. Icerink's flavor makes little sense for a VT, but a lot of sense to put in for your red tessaiga. Same deal with hosenki and the adamant barrage.

I think you've gotten the cool abilities because we've been enormously lucky with your night actions. I imagine most people give you nothing.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:19 am

Basically, I think the game is quite broken in several respects, and one is that ceph added flavors specifically for your power. Since they can't really be shoehorned into the Bo7, all flavors that are related to upgrading the tessaiga are probably town.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:20 am

Naraku probably gives you something cool too.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:24 am

I have a degree of passive protection from kills of any sort. I'm not going to claim any limitations or lack thereof.

I suspect at least one of the teams has already figured that out, since there's otherwise no accounting for some of the missing kills.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:25 am

And I'm not pushing for your vigging, I want you lynched, BoP.

Everything makes sense with BoP as the SK.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:27 am

I love how you continue to post without reading anything.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:32 am

The important thing is that their PM confirms each other as being their flavor.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:36 am

In post 6621, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 6618, Kagami wrote:The important thing is that their PM confirms each other as being their flavor

PA didnt confirm that though

Aa, you're right.

PA, does your role PM confirm that neil is the flavor that we kind of all know he'd have to be?

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:37 am

In post 6622, Majiffy wrote:
In post 6619, zMuffinMan wrote:
it says naraku

If this is a serious claim I want a full roleclaim immediately or I am voting you until you flip.

jiffy, you know he's just screwing with shos -_-

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:38 am

BoP, why did you crumb ascetic?

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:00 am

@BoP: 6415 and 6586. Neil says that the neighbors know each others' flavor, though muffin is right that PA hasn't directly confirmed this.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:10 am

It doesn't make any sense to crumb ascetic, and especially not to do so until post 1700 or so.

If you didn't want to waste investigations, why not just claim ascetic straight up? You seem to believe that the way you did things would

cause

a wasted investigation because you thought Y&B would send you a message.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:28 am

In post 6643, Birds of Prey wrote:
In post 6633, Kagami wrote:@BoP: 6415 and 6586. Neil says that the neighbors know each others' flavor, though muffin is right that PA hasn't directly confirmed this.

Do you believe that neil the scum-neighbor would receive a fakeclaim that would show that he, flavorfully, did not belong in the neighborhood?

~P

For god's sake.

Neil has a PM that either says either "You're in a neighborhood with some doods" or "You're in a neighborhood with Mala-slot who is hakkaku and PA-slot who is ginka."

Neil has implied that the latter is the case and so did mastin. It is possible that neil is lying or making it sound like the latter when it's in fact the former. PA needs to confirm which way it is.

Kagami · Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:42 pm

I'm MDT, it was a hydra with kaze, but he had to take a leave of absence from the site.