NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[House]

Skybird is town, and your play since the start of the game has been scum as fuck. You've been buddying me like mad to get me to vote Skybird with you, and since I won't do it, you are all of a sudden accusing me of being scum.

If you beloved she was scum like you were pushing, you wouldn't be trying to get me lynched now.

All you want to do is save your own skin.

[Marquis]

According to YOUR game theory, you are town.

it's not my theory, it's basic theory obtained from playing games for a long time and observing how the concepts of fear and risk statistically play out between town and scum

i can see how you would be skeptical though seeing as how you guys don't have that experience. in hindsight i probably should have approached today differently in order to help whichever one of you is town understand what's going on, though if pine was alive... :/

[House]

Beloved = believed

...

[Marquis]

you are all of a sudden accusing me of being scum.

If you beloved she was scum like you were pushing, you wouldn't be trying to get me lynched now.

please take a moment to actually try and listen what i am explaining to you. (i'm taking the time to do this because this is for skybird too, so it's not completely wasted)

i know i am town.

house is voting me in 3p lylo. it is virtually guaranteed that house will not unvote at this point.

if house is town, skybird is scum, and skybird will hammer me. the game will end. there is no point in making any case on anyone.

if skybird is town, house is scum, and the game continues with skybird hopefully trying to keep an open mind and figure out who is scum. to help i will need to start proving why house is scum.

out of both possible scenarios in this situation, the only productive course of action is to prepare to show that house is scum. assuming any other player is scum is a waste of time by now, because in that situation the game is over anyway.

do you understand?

[Marquis]

All you want to do is save your own skin.

yes i think i have said that many times

i mean if i die we lose

and we've come so far

so yeah

manipulative!-marquis!-experienced!-scum! theory time: do you (skybird or house, i don't fucking care anymore) really think i would be as open about trying to survive as i have been this day, if i were actually scum?

[House]

All you want to do is save your own skin.

yes i think i have said that many times

i mean if i die we lose

and we've come so far

so yeah

manipulative!-marquis!-experienced!-scum! theory time: do you (skybird or house, i don't fucking care anymore) really think i would be as open about trying to survive as i have been this day, if i were actually scum?

Yes. Trying to hide what's obvious would only serve to further indict you.

That said,

UNVOTE:

Why is it that you don't post about anything until you are voted, then you immediately jump back into the thread?

[Marquis]

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[Marquis]

re: your unvote

????? trying not to look the gift horse in the mouth but also i kind of just want to get it over with and figure out is skybird is going to hammer or not

re: your question

there's a greater sense of urgency generated from a lylo vote. i'm in a state of limbo atm between not caring about mafia in general at the moment and not wanting to take most of the blame for a likely a town loss

[Marquis]

you know what? i'm done and it's time to put myself first for once. this game is killing me and if we're going to lose this it'll be on my terms.

thanks for unvoting, i still think skybird is scum, but now it's viable to see where this goes

VOTE: skybird

hammer if you will.

[House]

VOTE: skybird

Gg all.

[House]

Shout out to my associates

Majiffy
Psyche
Aeronaut
Alina (thanks for giving me a great background)

[Skybird]

Crap. Sorry town. I did my best. GG House.

[Skybird]

And gg all the scum players Majiffy, Psyche, and Aeronaut.

I'll have to watch you House. I didn't think you would kill Pine if you were scum because it did look like someone tried to set you up.

[Marquis]

sorry guys.

i actually thought initially that house killing pine made sense to get me to vote incorrectly. but then he voted me right away so i (wrongly) discarded the notion

[House]

Pine would have tunneled the shit out of me today, he had me dead to rights.

[House]

sorry guys.

i actually thought initially that house killing pine made sense to get me to vote incorrectly. but then he voted me right away so i (wrongly) discarded the notion

I figured you would wind up voting me, so I had to go on the offensive to limit the damage and appeal to skybird.

[Skybird]

All you want to do is save your own skin.

yes i think i have said that many times

i mean if i die we lose

and we've come so far

so yeah

manipulative!-marquis!-experienced!-scum! theory time: do you (skybird or house, i don't fucking care anymore) really think i would be as open about trying to survive as i have been this day, if i were actually scum

?

Yes, you were fighting so hard to survive it looked like you were trying to preserve a scum victory. Then when you pretty much said that you wouldn't be able to see me as anything but scum, I figured I was right about House being town and you being scum. Sorry, I was wrong.

[Skybird]

House, you really seemed to be playing your town game. Now I know I have to discard my meta on you. :p

[House]

Lol!

Read the ice scum chat in game 5.

I straight up said I'd mold my town game to my scum play.

It's hard to do that, though. So far I have better play as scum than town.

[Marquis]

yeah I've come to learn that survivalism isn't indicative of alignment, how the player presents it is

I shouldn't be continuing to talk theory though when I messed up lylo though. I should give players less leeway in the future and not just hand out townreads if players say uninformed-sounding things.

pedit speaking of offsite experience it was really frustrating that it was refused :/ just curious as to why

[Skybird]

So don't be surprised if I read you as scum from here on out. lol

[Skybird]

yeah I've come to learn that survivalism isn't indicative of alignment, how the player presents it is

I shouldn't be continuing to talk theory though when I messed up lylo though. I should give players less leeway in the future and not just hand out townreads if players say uninformed-sounding things.

pedit speaking of offsite experience it was really frustrating that it was refused :/ just curious as to why

Not sure what you mean? Do you mean when I refused to talk to House about USMB?

[House]

yeah I've come to learn that survivalism isn't indicative of alignment, how the player presents it is

I shouldn't be continuing to talk theory though when I messed up lylo though. I should give players less leeway in the future and not just hand out townreads if players say uninformed-sounding things.

pedit speaking of offsite experience it was really frustrating that it was refused :/ just curious as to why

I don't recall refusing anything. I've posted my USMB links in quite a few games.

[Marquis]

@skybird: i asked if you could provide me with an example of your play from an offsite game since you guys were talking about it so much but you said you didn't want to

also should have stuck with my original interpretation of wake's post but i guess i had too much faith that he wouldn't really do something with such an obvious conclusion as that.his post practically confirmed you as town but i guess i thought "nah wake would never interfere to make it that easy"

[Skybird]

Sorry Marquis, I don't remember you asking about it. I thought House brought up USMB when he was talking about me not being an active player over there. I told him I didn't want to talk about it because my posting pattern (or lack there of) is more personal reasons.

The thing I couldn't get past was the fake mason claim. I'm still spending a lot of time reading newbie games and all the SE's and IC's constantly tell us new players to not fake claim. My question is do players do fake claims a lot outside of the newbie games?