NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[notscience]

Same to you :>

[Pine]

Right. So, notscience - is Peregrine V scum, null, or town? I'd love to have three in the good column before weeding out the rest.

Also, am I reading this correctly? We have innocent cop results on Gameplay and Reinoe? Why the fuck are there votes on Gameplay, unless I'm reading that wrong?

[notscience]

well for one, he hard defended the first member of the scumteam who claimed gunsmith

Idk why else

I don't ever really think of pv tbh

I just ignore him 90% of the time because I alwas want to lynch him

[shaddowez]

I've been looking at the vote counts and one thing that jumps out at me is Shaddowez has been on every town lynch wagon but not on the scum wagon. For that one he didn't vote. I think he deserves some attention.

Please read the game, thanks:

Looking at the Aero iso, you have 2-3 mentions in passing by him.
Your own views are against Aero lynch day1, but not because you think he is town. You went from 1613 (I don't like Aero) to 2032 (Not convinced Aero is scum). Day2 you are around but manage to not be on the wagon.

Notice I stated intent to hammer here. Pysche hammered here. If you look at the timestamp, and the fact that

I don't post during the day (EST) or much on weekends

, you'll see I had no chance to get on the wagon.

PV

- Your own posts cause your logic to fail.

Neighborhoods

marquis/

titus-cop

/

pv

/

texcat

tn5421

/

aero

/

gameplay (Titus cop result)

/skybird

Mirhawk-tracker

/

Aegor-bodyguard?

/

Oka-doc

/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe (Titus cop result)

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy

House
Psyche

marquis claimed masons with Psyche. psyche did not cc.

If you think scum are present in each hood (I do), then that leaves

Marquis

(my PoV) and Shaddow as scum, with the SK amoung you, notsicence, house and

psyche

.

If one hood is scum-free, then another scum in the outside hood group.

start there.

If Marquis claimed masons with Psyche, and they are not

both

scum, why would Psyche not have cced? If they are both scum, then that's four scum (which is the assumption you've been going off of), leaving mine a scum-free neighborhood (as proposed as possible way back when), and the SK any one of the rest of us, again assuming they're II. However, I'm disinclined to imagine that they're both scum, mainly because of this post:

I think Marquis and Psyche are obvscum and Mirhawk has a good chance of being scum.

So figure out where I stand based on that.

A non-countered mason claim is an automatic chain lynch if one is scum, and for another now-confirmed scum to have listed them both as obvscum makes me a little too leery for my liking. On the other hand, if you're so insistent that there's scum in every hood, and Marquis is town, that leaves you as scum. Or would your thoughts all of a sudden change?

[shaddowez]

Right. So, notscience - is Peregrine V scum, null, or town? I'd love to have three in the good column before weeding out the rest.

Also, am I reading this correctly? We have innocent cop results on Gameplay and Reinoe? Why the fuck are there votes on Gameplay, unless I'm reading that wrong?

I listed my case in 4382. I don't have a better scum read right now, and usually like my vote someplace rather than nowhere. It's assuming Godfather, so I could be completely off on this.

[Marquis]

so gameplay and reinoe are conf everything town

Variations

The exact wording of the Cop's result is not standardized, with the following options being most common.
Mafia/Not Mafia - This only checks if the target is Mafia-aligned. Werewolves, Serial Killers or other third-party members thus have implicit investigation immunity.
Town/Not Town - All non-Town players will return an incriminating result, even if they are benign in practice (e.g. Survivor or other third parties with nonstandard Win Conditions).

Guilty/Not Guilty - Non-Town roles return incriminating or non-incriminating results

depending on the moderator's decision.

this is a normal
nor-mal
nor-mel
nor-large-theme
mmmmn

Show me where it explicitly states that an SK not coming back "guilty" in a guilty/not guilty report is considered not normal.

consider gameplay and reinoe conftown for majiffy trying to discredit the innos on them

[Marquis]

assuming Godfather

never do this

[Marquis]

If we weren't masons I would think Psyche could be scum actually because of Majiffy being all like "the claim is shit and they're both scum but let's lynch Marquis first and keep my vote on him and while I'm saying a lot about Psyche being scum with Marquis watch as I never actually follow up on that and only want to lynch Marquis" which would really point to Psyche scum
But also this isn't a bastard game so the longwinded speculation is moot

[Psyche]

why don't we talk about this in our mason qt marquis

[notscience]

I bet they're scum together

[House]

When a player acts scummy, I vote them. If somebody can explain away my reasons for voting gameplay, then I'll be happy to move my vote, but "lolcoptownlol" isn't an explanation when there are loopholes.

Instant 180 & quickhammer on a town read without giving an opportunity for Oka to come clean

Quickhammering to "read", then blatantly stating he didn't read the following day.

Once those are explained as non-scum behaviors, I'll unvote gameplay.

[Marquis]

your point of view is exhausting and i don't have the energy right now to try and talk you down from this

[Marquis]

there's this huge part of me that just wants to say fuck everything and let you go through with this

i mean i already got my majiffy scumflip

as far as i care i'm checked out and i've already won

[Marquis]

why don't we talk about this in our mason qt marquis

troll them not me

[Pine]

assuming Godfather

never do this

Holy shit, this in spades, people.

I know I've been don't give away from this site for a couple of years, and common doctrine changes, but you don't discard a Cop innocent until they either have a confirmed scum slip, contradicting investigator (ie Tracker following them to a body,) or it's LYLO. Jesus, that's not even that complicated.

Majiffy leading the questioning of innocent results practically confirms them.

House, you have precisely one post to unvote a Cop inno, or you get my vote

[Marquis]

Pine replaces zMuffinMan immediately. Thank you!!!

i was right about my zmuffin townread! yes yes

[Marquis]

House, you have precisely one post to unvote a Cop inno, or you get my vote

i'm cool with this on policy
but gamewise i think he's just illogical town

[Marquis]

pine can you vote pv please

we are the last 2 people and have been for a while, in an originally 4 person neighborhood, where the others flipped town
and i had some good points on pv day 1 and i can't remember them all but i do remember pv in our neighborhood saying he wanted to scumhunt within our neighborhood but when someone in the neighborhood was actually a wagon or suspected he was against it- like he was trying to keep us around him to make process of elimination harder

[Pine]

Marquis, if you can keep your urge to buddy at me in your pants, I'm working on establishing PV and House reads.

Also, your avatar and Psyche's are even more confusing than Majiffy and notscience. Plz 2 stop

[Pine]

Btw, I'm a little confused by the talk of Masons. Can you two confirm your mason claims for me? I srsly do not have the patience for archive diving in this clusterfuck of a thread

[House]

House, you have precisely one post to unvote a Cop inno, or you get my vote

i'm cool with this on policy
but gamewise i think he's just illogical town

And all I'm asking is for someone to explain why.

I'm not the kind of person that can be told, "do this because I say so" (and those who say that can piss off... pine), I have to understand why.

Yes, it makes me a headache, but it is who I am.

[Pine]

Assuming the Mason claims are legit, my list is:

--Town--
Gameplay (Cop inno)
Reinoe (Cop inno)
Marquis (Mason)
Psyche (Mason)
Notscience (Too reckless and unhelpful to be scum)

--Everyone else--
PV
Shaddowez
Skybird

--Scum--
House (Singularly unhelpful, anti-Town behavior, fixation on disproving Cop inno)

Vote: House

This is what we're doing

[House]

--Town--
Notscience (Too reckless and unhelpful to be scum)
--Scum--
House (Singularly unhelpful, anti-Town behavior, fixation on disproving Cop inno)

Too quote Randall: I ain't even gonna point out the irony, here.

[House]

Lazy phone posting is murder on grammar.

[House]

Looking forward to watching Pine's reads blow up.