In post 103, Josh_B wrote:Your story is changing. If you are town, and this is your normal playstyle, it's is going to lead to a lot of mislynches. If you are scum, carry on.
Changing how, just out of curiosity? All I'm doing is working with the evidence I have, which of course would make my case evolve as time goes on. That's kinda how these things work.
In post 103, Josh_B wrote:
Your
case rests on me sheeping BBT.
Your
claim is that I am sheeping BBT. My case is that I think you are scum.
Nah, my case rests on the facts that I placed in my FoS that I put on you back here.(
95) One part of that is that you're sheeping BBT. (The "original" facts you bring up I'll get to later.) There's also the vendetta, which is a null tell, since you said you wouldn't let it affect you and, as far as I can tell, have followed through. If that changes, though, I'll remember. Lastly, there's this (intentional(?)) misunderstanding you have about sheeping. It's your points, your case, that determine sheeping, not where you are on a wagon, so you bringing up where you sit on my wagon came off as strange to me. Scummy.
In post 103, Josh_B wrote:
It's hard for me to understand you asking me what I'm referring to. You made a statement, I closed your statement and responded to that part of the statement.
I wanted to know if you were referring to:
1) My comments that you were sheeping
2) My comments that you seemed concerned about wagon placement
In post 103, Josh_B wrote:
Then I reopened your quote, closed it off again, and responded to that part. But to repeat myself in a more detailed manner.... I don't care about my placement on a wagon. Why would I? What would make you even suggest that I care
I believe that you are randomly assigning negative attributes to me when you don't even know me.
I think you're maybe taking this game a little too personally. My comments aren't to show that you care about where you sit on a wagon. They are to show that you care about what others think about your placement on a wagon, seeing as you brought it up.
(Not so) Random Question: Do you think that sheeping only refers to votes? Can a player sheep someone else without even voting for the same person?
In post 103, Josh_B wrote:
My case on you is that you are horribly pushing a horrible case, being overly paranoid, making threats, calling names, and dismissing the evidence in favor of what you want to believe. I can provide for each of these.
I'm pushing a horrible case? Where? BBT? I'm not pushing nearly as hard as you are, nor nearly as hard as he is. (Which is probably the biggest scumtell I have on him.) Beyond that, my votes changed, if you haven't noticed, and I'm feeling much more confident in the case I'm building now. Also, what threats, my FoS and my vote? What names?
Seriously, please provide for these points, because you're making next to no sense. If you think I'm misinterpreting you, then clarify what you're saying.
In post 103, Josh_B wrote:
If I push a case against Vettrok, it's going to be because I actually think vettrok is scum in this game. I'm allowed to RVS, or not RVS anyone I want to. Vettrok matters to me because I want to get a read on him in this game, but as you admit, I'm not going to dismiss the game just because I have some things that I want to say to someone. Actually, I admitted to that-
63 :sigh:
So... you're saying that what I said about you is true? Are you just disagreeing here for the fun of it? Because I'm not building my case on this point unless you let it affect this game. I have said this. More than once now.
In post 104, Josh_B wrote:
1. I have multiple factoids. I'm just not going to repeat every single one of them over and over.
2. Thanks, I like stickers. I'll give you my address and you can mail it to me.
3. You're point was shitty, let it go. Don't bring it up later, or ever again. You don't need to throw past arguments in people's faces like it matters. If someone does something scummy later in the game, mention it. I've had people scum read me because I'll move on from something, find nothing else important, and then come back to an earlier comment. But I don't threaten people with nonsense.
1. You'd brought up one at the time. Uno. Ett. Ein. You've sort of brought up more since...
After I wrote the post you're referring to.
What, am I supposed to be about to debate through spacetime or something? Sorry, my PoV is linear time.
2. Maybe. If you're outside the US, I can't promise anything. International fare and all that.
3. Uhh... for one thing, it's not an argument. It was an observation. If Tiershift had continued to sheep BBT, I would have referred to my earlier post so as not to have to make the case anew. He has not, so I haven't even brought it up. You did, though, and now you're parading it around like you have found the Lost Ark.
4. I think you forgot a point. Are you going to suggest that I
am
using confirmation bias in my case against Tiershift? 'Cause that would be pretty funny. And sad.
In post 104, Josh_B wrote:
Oh, good. This proves that you are just saying random crap to say it, and you either have no belief system or you aren't sticking to it. Because, earlier you said that I was super concerned about my placement on wagons, like it matters. Perhaps you are the one with willful ignorance of what constitutes
sheeping.
This is silly. Sheeping doesn't have to have anything to do with votes. It's just a lack of original intent. (That's from the wiki, so you know I'm right.)
What I said was that you were concerned about your placement on the wagon. This is true. However, the meat of my argument is that you're super concerned about where the town sees you on a wagon. I didn't accuse you of sheeping because you made a vote against me. I accused you because all of your points were the exact same as BBT's. Do you understand? (If it helps clear things up, separate my point about your sheeping with my point about your concern over your wagon placement.)
In post 104, Josh_B wrote:
I have done everything to prove that I have my own independent intent for both of my votes.
And BBT is neither a popular player, nor are you are you a popular wagon(yet),
I didn't vote for the sake of voting, or for the sake of following the herd.
You have, have you? Well, I guess we'll see once you answer my post here if you have all this original evidence you claim to have. The town will judge.
In post 105, Josh_B wrote:
Ok, so you had a problem with me. Why did you wait until someone else voted me before switching your vote?
Preeeeetty sure that's what FoS means. It's finger of suspicion, if you don't know. It means that I'm ready to vote for you, but haven't yet changed my vote. I waited for your reply to vote you, actually, not another player. Note that the reason I voted you was actually written prior to anyone else voting you. Neat how the flow of time works, huh?
Also, just want to clarify. I don't have a problem with you. Frankly, I think you're probably a pretty okay dude. But in the context of this game, your play makes me think you're scum, so I'm voting you based entirely upon that. Don't take it too personal.
Anything I missed?
