Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[TobyLoby]

What about the number of votes on him makes you not want to vote?

[Skelda]

What about the number of votes on him makes you not want to vote?

Well two things.

One is that I instinctively try to avoid wagons with large numbers of people on them early in the game since at that point it really isn't adding much more pressure. The first few votes have large amounts of pressure, but as people keep voting the significance of each individual vote goes down.

And secondly, large D1 wagons are often scum-driven and that often makes me townread the person being wagoned. So it makes me actually doubt that he is scum because of how easily votes are coming in. My scumread would be stronger if there wasn't a wagon on him.

[TobyLoby]

I think the first few big wagons of the day are just as likely to be scum driven as town driven. There is incentive to to be driving or helping drive a wagon as well as not being on it. I also don't think 4/8 is very many people on him.

Are you reading Chaos as more likely to be town because of his wagon? Is where anyone on Chaos you are suspicious of?

[farside22]

What about the number of votes on him makes you not want to vote?

Well two things.

One is that I instinctively try to avoid wagons with large numbers of people on them early in the game since at that point it really isn't adding much more pressure. The first few votes have large amounts of pressure, but as people keep voting the significance of each individual vote goes down.

And secondly, large D1 wagons are often scum-driven and that often makes me townread the person being wagoned. So it makes me actually doubt that he is scum because of how easily votes are coming in. My scumread would be stronger if there wasn't a wagon on him.

The problem with this is chaos has said anything since the wagon started.
My mind thinks more of the person not giving reads who is being wagoned.
Is he lurking hoping pressure will get off or is he busy?

Going to check into that.

[farside22]

So looking chaos hadn't been active at all.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

If Chaos had been new then I might've thought about him possibly running away due to serping, regardless of alignment, but he isn't, making it scummy. Although he did say that he was out of town, so I suppose we can wait and see what he comes up with.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

*derping not serping
[my inner grammar Naziism had to fix the above]

[Baezu]

Vote Count 1.05

Chaoslord54: (4) Dry-fit, Mr_Blonde, acryon, Snugglyduckling
TobyLoby: (1) Farside22
Mr_Blonde: (1) RoyalApe
Farside22: (1) Chaoslord54, Belisarius
acryon: (1) TobyLoby
Belisarius: (1) Amy Farrah Fowler

Not Voting: cerberus48, Astinus, NakedJogger, Skelda

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-09 18:18:00)

Mod Notes:
astinus has asked for replacement. Ranon replaces astinus

[Skelda]

I think the first few big wagons of the day are just as likely to be scum driven as town driven. There is incentive to to be driving or helping drive a wagon as well as not being on it. I also don't think 4/8 is very many people on him.

Are you reading Chaos as more likely to be town because of his wagon? Is where anyone on Chaos you are suspicious of?

I would have a higher degree of suspicion on Chaos if he didn't have a wagon because, although his first posts were scummy, they weren't scummy enough for all of those people to feel the need to vote for him.

Of the people on Chaos, however, I am feeling like Snugglyduckling and acryon are Town. So, if there are scum on him, I'd say they are in Dry-fit and Mr_Blonde.

[Ranon]

Hey everyone, I'm replacing in. Got my role but don't know who's slot I'm grabbing. (I think cerberus?) Anyway, this post is mainly so I can get back to this thread whenever I log out, will be reading up now.

[chaoslord54]

Sorry guys was moving back into my apartment. Reading over everything and will post a reads list and my thoughts of the case against me hopefully in a few minutes.

[Ranon]

VOTE: Acryon

Gut feeling on post 66. Seems he's buddying with with Mr Blonde.

Stronger scum read when post 94 he quotes Mr Bologna and then votes for the same person giving no other reason than him rereading and feeling he's more scum (This is his first vote all game.) and he has no other posts against or for Chaos.

He doesn't seem to actually be scum reading, rather he's bouncing off of others and using his own words. He's not really doing anything, it all seems fluff to me.
Especially that puzzle thing, that seems like hes making us all part of something big and at the same time making us feel all good and warm inside to be doing nice little things with each other.

Maybe I'm dead wrong but this is my strongest scum read at the moment.

[FakedBlogger]

that seems like hes making us all part of something big and at the same time making us feel all good and warm inside to be doing nice little things with each other.

That's a peculiar way of formulating a scumread, but it feels sort of honest. Townpoints

[RoyalApe]

Dry-fit, SnugglyDuckling and Royal Ape would be my scumpicks, based on discussions they picked out for themselves and how they responded to them. And I'm leaning null-scum on Amy and Skelda.

Care to elaborate on your scum picks? What about the discussions that were picked out leads you to this conclusion?

[RoyalApe]

UNVOTE: all

I'm reading blonde as town, so I'll get off that RVS vote.

All of the ISO reads this morning are reading good (acryon, blonde, far side, duckling, dry fit, Toby) to me or null (jogger, astinus) for lack of content. I think the ISO reading isn't working for me yet this game as I'm losing track of interactions between players. I plan to reread from the beginning once I finish the last several ISOs. Until then, back to work I go.

[acryon]

Acyron, what is your read on Belisarus?

He's a null to me right now. I already said I understood his tunneling on farside earlier, but at the same time I do think it ultimately didn't get what we want out of it. Trains that lead nowhere are good distractions, so I think it's something to keep in mind, but overall Bel is a null.

VOTE: Acryon

Gut feeling on post 66. Seems he's buddying with with Mr Blonde.

Stronger scum read when post 94 he quotes Mr Bologna and then votes for the same person giving no other reason than him rereading and feeling he's more scum (This is his first vote all game.) and he has no other posts against or for Chaos.

He doesn't seem to actually be scum reading, rather he's bouncing off of others and using his own words. He's not really doing anything, it all seems fluff to me.
Especially that puzzle thing, that seems like hes making us all part of something big and at the same time making us feel all good and warm inside to be doing nice little things with each other.

Maybe I'm dead wrong but this is my strongest scum read at the moment.

This is fair. I tend to get some scum-heat early on pretty much every game I've ever played with a new group, because people see my town play-style as contrived(which I understand, although it's obviously not).

that seems like hes making us all part of something big and at the same time making us feel all good and warm inside to be doing nice little things with each other.

That's a peculiar way of formulating a scumread, but it feels sort of honest. Townpoints

Sadly, he is dead wrong but I agree on the post reading very town despite that.

[farside22]

This game has reached a sluggish moment.
I'm a bit busy this morning, but I'm going to reread a few things and see if I can shake this game more.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

A no lynch will most likely hurt town in the long run, and we're approx. halfway through the day right now. At the moment votes on various people are going something like 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, so we have many small/ish wagons. I'm not a fan of any of the non-voters (not including Royal), because right now votes would help move the game along, and talking without voting is a pretty good way to avoid too much attention. For example if any of the people who were called out for something but don't have any votes on them had provided a vote in any of their posts, they'd probably get scumread by some people.

[Belisarius]

@Mod: I should still be voting Farside in that last VC

Thank you. Fixed.

[FakedBlogger]

Dry-fit, SnugglyDuckling and Royal Ape would be my scumpicks, based on discussions they picked out for themselves and how they responded to them. And I'm leaning null-scum on Amy and Skelda.

Care to elaborate on your scum picks? What about the discussions that were picked out leads you to this conclusion?

What is the point of voting for oneself? Avoiding voting someone else?

Vote: Astinus

Why is this a rhetoric question instead of a push on someone?

Unvote. Vote: farside22.

I'm not a fan of that random vote. Voting for a player being replaced isn't likely to cause any action.

Exactly the opposite going on here. Pushes Astinus for nothing really, but makes it look serious.

Same premise here - wasted vote. How is this different than self voting?

Self voting is likely to provoke responses. Voting a player leaving the game is not.

This lead to a discussion with hypothetic conclusions that I don't see the point of, unless it's for scum to blend in.

Unvote

and

Vote Mr Blonde

Something makes me think he is mafia.

I think town Duckling would've just naked voted, without adding a reason that isn't a reason just dramatic fluff.

Amy seems town to me and Mr Blonde's "shall we dance" comment seems like false bravado.

Too early for town to townread someone.

I don't like this response. It seems to indicate that it is OK to find arbitrary reasons to point to in order to justify a crap vote.

I generally like to see real reasons myself, it gives more to judge players by, both good and bad. If Duckling isn't going to provide reasons for his suspicions - ok - it will just make it harder for me to trust him.

I think you feeling the need to explain your attack on Duckling with a general statement is scummy. You could've been brief but for some reason you chose not to. I presume a scummy reason.

And that's the general pattern .. I won't go through all the posts.

I still haven't decided which one of you to vote though.

I'll go with

VOTE: RoyalApe
because of the obscene quoting stacks

[FakedBlogger]

P-edit: Messed up some stuff there but the general idea is clear hopefully

[RoyalApe]

A no lynch will most likely hurt town in the long run, and we're approx. halfway through the day right now. At the moment votes on various people are going something like 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, so we have many small/ish wagons. I'm not a fan of any of the non-voters (not including Royal), because right now votes would help move the game along, and talking without voting is a pretty good way to avoid too much attention. For example if any of the people who were called out for something but don't have any votes on them had provided a vote in any of their posts, they'd probably get scumread by some people.

Did you count the votes yourself or are you just very in tune with Belisaurius? I just find it interesting that your count is accurate when the mod's vote count that was posted this morning is off by way of the Belisaurius vote.

[FakedBlogger]

^ And that's scummy how?

[acryon]

Amy seems town to me and Mr Blonde's "shall we dance" comment seems like false bravado.

Too early for town to townread someone.

I don't agree here, especially since he said "seems town to me." I think it is completely fine to judge and feel that certain posts, even early on, sound town or scum. It shouldn't be the basis for strong reads one way or the other, but he didn't say they were strong reads, just that she seemed town.

[acryon]

A no lynch will most likely hurt town in the long run, and we're approx. halfway through the day right now. At the moment votes on various people are going something like 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, so we have many small/ish wagons. I'm not a fan of any of the non-voters (not including Royal), because right now votes would help move the game along, and talking without voting is a pretty good way to avoid too much attention. For example if any of the people who were called out for something but don't have any votes on them had provided a vote in any of their posts, they'd probably get scumread by some people.

Did you count the votes yourself or are you just very in tune with Belisaurius? I just find it interesting that your count is accurate when the mod's vote count that was posted this morning is off by way of the Belisaurius vote.

This isn't scummy. I've made and posted my own vote-counts in absence of the mod before. It's very much null.