Mini 1604 -- Zodiac Mafia (Game Over)

[RedCoyote]

Gemini Blind,

Townie

, was shot on N1.

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Vote Count 2 - 0

• Not Voting (9) ( PeregrineV - Xayzeck - Aronis - ToastyToast - StrangerCoug - Dry-fit - CrashTextDummie - Nachomamma8 - Iecerint)

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2014-09-28 15:10:00)

[Iecerint]

Vote: PeregrineV

[Dry-fit]

I'm really going to be pushing to make sure this day doesn't go to another deadline lynch . It's been happening way too much on site recently and I'm sick of it.
On a reread Toasty and PeregrineV look very town. PV's interactions with Salamence don't look like buddy interactions, especially here:

PV is votehopping.

Squirm baby squirm

To me this is a clearly a legitimate attempt to get PV lynched.

For Toasty, he pushed pretty strongly to lynch Salamence yesterday. His posting in genera reads authentic and I don't feel he's kissing up to anyone.

@Nacho: Why did you switch your vote back to Salamence in 427?

It's pretty clear that you were just using different words to scrutinize the same action. What you really need to address is how this was opportunism on Salamance's part and why you later called PV's voting behavior "not particularly alignment indicative".

It looked like opportunism to me because PV was the first real alternative to a Salamence wagon that appeared. And it felt to me his tone of "squirm baby squirm" was an attempt to hype up that wagon more than was warranted. I don't think vote hopping is alignment indicative because I've seen it come many times from town. If anything I'd say it's maybe slightly more likely to come from town.

My top suspect right now is Aronis. Juls danced around the Salamence wagon in a scummy way.

9. Dry-Fit - He seems scummy, but if my memory is correct, this seems sorta like his normal play. So a lean scum atm, but not convinced.

Anything about me in particular that looks scummy?

I didn't really like the push on Salamence.

I don't know that I buy this. I asked Aronis about his read on me to see if he could back it up with an explanation, and this is what he offered. What didn't you like about my Salamence push? You had Sal as null on your reads list.

Later Aronis makes some posts distanceing himself from Sal:

Elyse is really really really town atm. Hopefully she wont die.

If she does, Sala's kill was careless and probably scum.

It's L-1? Anyways, that shot was terrible. He deserves to die.

why are people voting Aronis?

No useful content. Juls also doesn't have much content. Sort of hammered salamence. Salamence is likely town, worth at least keeping around if cop to verify.

I'd be willing to switch to Xayzeck personally; I will not vote Salemence today. I will reassess tomorrow.

~STD

I did not hammer Salamence. OK? Like get your fucking facts straight.

So I feel like 9 out of 10 times, Salamence doesn't hold the dayvig for anywhere near this long, but the cop claim sorta explains it. But at the sametime, wouldn't town just lynch the guility? If he claimed and assuming it wasn't MyLo/LyLo, I'd probably go along with it. Plus the shot seemed really poorly timed. Why doesn't he claim dayvig, then shoot? I don't see any reason for the rush there. Then following it up with a cop claim, he's just trying to save himself at this point. I highly doubt he's the cop. So I will gladly hammer the conf scum for Gemini.

VOTE: Salamence

HAMMER!

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These look pretty contrived to me.

I'd be willing to look at Iecerint as an alternative as well. And yes, I'm another player voicing suspicion of you without voting you

Vote: Aronis.

[Iecerint]

Man that Salamance lynch was such a bad deadline lynch wasn't it we should all be ashamed.

[Dry-fit]

Man that Salamance lynch was such a bad deadline lynch wasn't it we should all be ashamed.

Sometimes they work out but on average they're not ideal.

[Iecerint]

Salamence was not lynched because of lame compromisey things. He was lynched because his claim did not make sense with earlier material he had posted in the thread.

[Iecerint]

It might just be PV and Dryfit.

[Dry-fit]

Salamence was not lynched because of lame compromisey things. He was lynched because his claim did not make sense with earlier material he had posted in the thread.

I know. I'm talking about before the deadline was extended because of his shot. We were under 24 hours till deadline and no one had more than 4 votes. Sal fired is shot at L-2 with about 10 hours left to go. There's no reason to allow that kind of thing and it's within town's power to prevent it.

[Iecerint]

You are full of insights.

[Aronis]

@Dryfit, Sala's play late in the day just sort of started falling like a rock, imo. Up until the dayvig shot, he didnt strike me as very scummy, after that my read on him took a sharp turn. At the time your push on him didnt give me a good feeling, but it turns out I was wrong.

[ToastyToast]

Probably going to avoid Xayzeck wagon since Salamance voted him, although I suppose he could have done this purposely as scum. Nonetheless, better to have more data before venturing over there.

[Iecerint]

Vote for PV then.

[Nachomamma8]

To me this is a clearly a legitimate attempt to get PV lynched.

1) Salamence loves bussing.
2) ??? this is a horrible reason to clear someone. I can post many posts of me trying to get scumbuddies lynched much, much more aggressively as scum if you'd like.

It might just be PV and Dryfit.

I think Dry-Fit's just being a little naive.

Vote: PeregrineV

[Iecerint]

He would have just shot PV.

[StrangerCoug]

Right now I feel the most comfortable voting Aronis. He didn't post a lot of substance yesterday, his actions toward Salamence20 read as a somewhat reluctant bus to me, and I think his opening post today is a little disingenuous.

VOTE: Aronis

I feel like I really need to rethink this game, but Iecerint is off the table for a lynch today.

[Dry-fit]

@Dryfit, Sala's play late in the day just sort of started falling like a rock, imo. Up until the dayvig shot, he didnt strike me as very scummy, after that my read on him took a sharp turn. At the time your push on him didnt give me a good feeling, but it turns out I was wrong.

But what specifically about my push gave you a bad feeling? Was it just that my case didn't convince you, or was it something else?

1) Salamence loves bussing.
2) ??? this is a horrible reason to clear someone. I can post many posts of me trying to get scumbuddies lynched much, much more aggressively as scum if you'd like.

I reread the game twice during night, and both times PV came off as very town. The interactions with Sal going both ways didn't make sense for buddies for pretty much the whole day. I don't want him lynched today.

I feel like I really need to rethink this game, but Iecerint is off the table for a lynch today.

Why?

[StrangerCoug]

I feel like I really need to rethink this game, but Iecerint is off the table for a lynch today.

Why?

I thought the lynch made Gemini Blind look somewhat bad for stalling it, but since the slot is dead, that's not a route I can pursue, and I have few strong scum reads at this point. I don't have a town case for any of you, PeregrineV, or Xayzeck, however. Those are players I need to look at.

[Dry-fit]

I was more interested in why you said Iecerint is off the table.

[StrangerCoug]

My doubting Iecerint was scum in the first place originated in #570, and I think the lynch cements that.

[CrashTextDummie]

Nacho, why is Aronis town?

Dry-fit needs to address the issues I had with his Salamance push, since the scum flip doesn't change how I feel about them. I'm miffed that he hasn't addressed them already, given the additional 3 days we got yesterday.

Is there a case against PV other than "Salamance loves bussing"?

Still have bad feelings about Aronis, but I'm hesitant to go back to that well after the way D1 played out.

Clearly I should say more, but I have another game I desperately need to catch up on, so it'll have to wait.

vote: Dry-fit

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, why is Aronis town?

Dry-fit needs to address the issues I had with his Salamance push, since the scum flip doesn't change how I feel about them. I'm miffed that he hasn't addressed them already, given the additional 3 days we got yesterday.

Is there a case against PV other than "Salamance loves bussing"?

Still have bad feelings about Aronis, but I'm hesitant to go back to that well after the way D1 played out.

Clearly I should say more, but I have another game I desperately need to catch up on, so it'll have to wait.

vote: Dry-fit

So I'm willing to discuss Aronis read when I get to a computer but I'm also pretty disappointed by your dry fit read.

[ToastyToast]

No, Dry-fit is town.

[ToastyToast]

And peregrine was the counter-lynch to salamance throughout the day, so that's out too.
hmmm...there are 5 people off the salamance wagon. I highly doubt that salamance scumbuddies would all wagon him in a quick lynch, because rarely do people get towncred for deadline-voting someone.

This leaves CTD, Peregrine (the wagon I'm not really feeling), and Xayzeck (possible scumbuddy last minute distancing). I need to read up on the CTD slot. I know I had some initial good thoughts on them but they are going after my town read.

[Iecerint]

Peregrine had a credible wagon yesterday?

I guess I forgot?

[CrashTextDummie]

So I'm willing to discuss Aronis read when I get to a computer but I'm also pretty disappointed by your dry fit read.

Then we can discuss both your Dry-fit and Aronis read and maybe you'll get over your disappointment.