Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Salamence20]

Btw, before you scream "I NEVER DID"

Im talking about the PT

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 6.1

Katsuki [1] - Salamence20
Salamence20 [1] - Katsuki

Not Voting [1]

- Desperado

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch

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Deadline is October 27, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 12:00:00)

[Desperado]

I'm still pondering.

[Katsuki]

Ive already stated the possibilties of your claim.

Pretty sure I started the day with "both alices are town," so why would I pull a 180°?

Im missing the part where you changed from Desp/Nati to Me.

1)

Because my reads wern't what you expected them to be, and you sensed danger.

2)

That's precisely what fell apart in your plan. Reads change when there's 6 alive and when there's 3, and you failed to account for the possibility that I might find you scummier.

[Katsuki]

A lot of his stances this game have been convenient.

Not to mention I would not have shot notty N4 as scum given what was said in the ALice QT. Since we now know that scum was in the QT that night, notty wasn't shot by someone with no knowledge of what occurred in there that night. I would've just sheeped the confirmed town in voting Sala given his threat of self-voting if notty voted him rather than shooting him.

I need you to try this post again because I'm not really getting what you're saying.

What are you not getting about it?

@Desp #plsmakemecrytearsofjoynotsorrow

[Desperado]

You're talking about a PT that i can't see so its all just gibberish to me

[Katsuki]

Oh.

Notty: Convince me not to instavote Sala

*Sala tries unsuccessfully to convince notty he's not scum by saying that he wouldve hammered RC*

Sala: GG IMMA ARONIS

If I were scum I would've just kept notty because there's nothing more town than sheeping conftown + guaranteed mislynch.

[Salamence20]

Oh.

Notty: Convince me not to instavote Sala

*Sala tries unsuccessfully to convince notty he's not scum by saying that he wouldve hammered RC*

Sala: GG IMMA ARONIS

If I were scum I would've just kept notty because there's nothing more town than sheeping conftown + guaranteed mislynch.

That logic is flawed because there is only one scum. This only works if there were two scum, otherwise you would be looking at Desp/Nati/Kats.

You couldn't convince Nati to vote Desp.

[Salamence20]

Ive already stated the possibilties of your claim.

Pretty sure I started the day with "both alices are town," so why would I pull a 180°?

Im missing the part where you changed from Desp/Nati to Me.

1)

Because my reads wern't what you expected them to be, and you sensed danger.

2)

That's precisely what fell apart in your plan. Reads change when there's 6 alive and when there's 3, and you failed to account for the possibility that I might find you scummier.

I'm missing the point yesterday when you said I'm voting Sala.

[Salamence20]

Actually, you were pretty agreeable with me yesterday about Nati, then you turn against me today?

Sounds like a setup

[Katsuki]

Ya I only spent 3+ days calling DV/Nati scum, but apparently I was already thinking of 3p LYLO before we even had less than 10 alive and also it's a setup when I have to reevaluate my reads after my scumreads flipped town.

Desp if you can't see how ridiculous it is that Sala is even saying that I lynched my scumread for a good portion of the game because I couldn't convince her to vote with me in LYLO then I really don't know what to say. His train of thought and approach has been actively scum motivated.

[Salamence20]

I try to argue with this, but I get stumped after the point where I give a fuck about Kats reads enough to leave him alive over manipulating DV (who I've been calling town since muffins death, called me town, and Desp scum) and finishing this.

But go ATE. Have fun.

[Desperado]

The problem with both of these arguments is that if either of you had left a conftown alive, they would be much more likely to reconsider their reads. This LYLO makes sense, especially with both of you hedging really hard before crossvoting.

[Katsuki]

I'm not sure how I hedged unless 95/5 (or was it 90/10 I said I forget) is hedging, in which I really should go become a hedge fund manager!

[Katsuki]

I honestly do think that our approaches in LYLO is one of the biggest differences differentiating between our play and alignment.

[Desperado]

Sala, why is desp scum?

Frankly because I believe all three Alice's are town.

Let me think. Its more likely that Alice is scum than 2 scum in 1 hood in my opinion

I swear to fuck if you two were scum there will be words

DAYVIG: SALA

ITS NOT TOO LATE RITE?!??

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< not scum

For me it comes down to who faked it better

Well its either:

1. Go with my original plan: If it wasnt Nati, its Desp because I believe both Alices are town.
2. Find a way to plead with Desp and lynch Kats because 2 Scum 1 hood < Scum Alice

Pretty much your arguments thus far have been "what setup fuckery is FG going with" and "twilight".

Upon skimming there was 0 interaction between any of the scum, and sala... not even in Sala's list of 8 plausible players for scum... Will skim through desp iso at a later date but i don't think TD/Emp mentioned Desp at all either. :/

I have a feeling it won't take me long to make up my mind I'm already 95/5 at this point (you guys can guess who's the 95 and who's the 5 )

Kat it did not feel like 90/10 to me. You mention that neither of us have any interaction with flipped scum, you say that Sala's LYLO approach is shallow, and then you jump into questioning me for being too accurate even though our meta together suggests the opposite.

[Katsuki]

That's some quality scumhunting and pushing then if asking if it was possible for you to diverge from my "known" towntrend of your reads being bad. They were made in a more joking manner but I'll be honest, also with the mindset that I was hoping I wasn't wrong about you (I have a terrible track record in LYLO. At least this game, I'm not the one who needs to decide like I normally am = =). Turns out I wasn't.

That reminds me of a time when Patrick decided to kill off quadz, leaving me, a confirmed mason and Fate together with him in LYLO. My first statement was that "you couldn't possibly be cheeky enough to leave me alive right, Patrick?". I then spent maybe the next 5 mins pressuring Fate and being all agreeable with Patrick while making Fate's life uncomfortable, and Singer visibly raging thinking that I was terrible at mafia and thinking that I was going to throw the game. Nacho (her hydra buddy, and masons with me) however knew what I was doing and told singer there was no way I'd lose the game. He knew that I already knew Patrick was scum the moment the day started, but I wanted to make things interesting (which is an excuse for trolling Fate, and Patrick for that matter into thinking he had me fooled, that evil mastermind).
The moral of this story is that here, you need to be more like Nacho in understanding my play, and less like Singer, who hadn't the slightest clue as to what I was doing.

[Katsuki]

Since apparently another mod feels that I tried to break site rules and wants to take it up with the list mod, I may not have much time depending on how the mod portrays my action and whether not they will go with his version without hearing me out. At least for this game, I feel I have said pretty much everything I need, and that I've left everything on the table.

If I do get replaced which would be utterly retarded if I do... wait that would be a modkill.

Desp if you can please make a decision ASAP. At the very least, if you end up going for me I wish it was by your decision and not because we lost the game on a modkill.

[Salamence20]

I really got nothing else either. I don't got the backstory like you and Kats do.

I wish you the best of luck Desp, 50-50. I won't blame you. I wasn't playing a strong town game here.

(But do I ever? Not really)

[Katsuki]

I wasn't playing a strong town game here.

ya but you played a rather decent scumgame, and a very good one if you pull off the win here.

As for desp and I, I don't think we really have much of a backstory, at least I don't think I've actually interacted much with him at all despite the number of games we've played in together now (I don't even remember half of them because I didnt talk to him XD)

[Desperado]

VOTE: Sala

Not 2nd guessing myself this time. Let the cookie crumble as it may.

[Salamence20]

You lost.

Nice play Kats. You got me good.

[Desperado]

[Katsuki]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO WE WIN

GG SALA
DESP DONT LISTEN TO HIM BB HE'S FULL OF NOTHING BUT LIES AND DECEIT

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 6.2

Katsuki [1] - Salamence20

Salamence20 [2] - Katsuki, Desperado [LYNCH]

Not Voting [0]

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With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch

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Deadline is October 27, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 12:00:00)