Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[acryon]

To be honest, I decided to go with sub-optimal choices for every kill, because I think that was the only way to throw people off enough for me to maybe make it.

[Mathdino]

I don't think Mathdino kill is such a good idea. I think I have made him my follower, we think alike and push things together. Maybe that will change with the Victor flip, but most likely not. And I think kills made to drive suspicion away are kinda overrated, you want town to think that way but they end up not doing it and even thinking the opposite way.

Translation: I think I have made him my bitch.
xD
I really want to play with town-you now.

[Wisdom]

gj acryon, thanks for the carry Sorry for not being better.

gg everyone.

Thanks for the game, reinoe.

[reinoe]

gg acryon. I thought you were doomed. I actually don't think the town got screwed over by the unfortunate modkills and I think it actually slightly helped. Constantine and wgeurts were mislynch bait.

town and scum both played really well. When newbie made post 1823 I thought for sure it was over for acryon. For sure somebody would notice that acryon only voted to lynch town all game and avoided scum!

I feel really bad for constantine. He was trying to advocate scumhunting the people off the mafia lynch, which is usually a good idea too.

And then I thought post 2120 by acryon would doom him but nobody noticed it!

BTW, thanks for the pm's on modding suggestions. I felt bad about not being so active during the day but I have to work. Then you guys generally got quiet at night when I got home. Does anyone else have any ideas on how I can improve on modding?

[Newbie]

Good job, acryon. I was so hellbent on bmws.

[reinoe]

THANKS EVERYONE FOR PLAYING.

AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO SAULRES FOR BEING MY BACKUP MOD!

[TellTaleHeart]

Thanks for the game, reinoe. As much as I'm whining right now, I would play more games with anyone from this player list.

I lol'd so hard at this.

HEY GUYS
I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE NEWBIE/BMWS TOWNSLIPS
WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF I DIDN'T TOWNTUNNEL WISDOM

It's my opinion that you did more harm than good with your Wisdom defense. If we ever play another game, please don't do what you did here.

I was trying to keep tabs on who the masons were as part of my strategy mostly because I was really afraid I would accidentally out the mason team by pushing a wagon on one of them. Now I just feel stupid that I thought you were a mason and, as a result, I put two scum on the mason team in my parting reads. I don't particularly like feeling stupid.

I also feel really bad that borkjerfkin used my blindmewithscience "scumread" from earlier in making his decision. My blindmewithscience read actually didn't change because of what I thought about the mason team at all and I really should have elaborated more on that.

[saulres]

THANKS EVERYONE FOR PLAYING.

AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO SAULRES FOR BEING MY BACKUP MOD!

MY PLEASURE!

I like your dance

[Mathdino]

No shit I did more harm than good. What's important is I got him lynched D2. Also got information from buddying him like that in that he never questioned my townread of him like he said he usually does.

Don't blame a VT for looking like a mason. If Wisdom was town one of us probably would've drawn the NK. In D1, trying to find the masons and using that to find scum is extremely fallible. I honestly only think my D2 masonhunting was valid because there was pretty much no other mason team possible.

I townhunt, and I need to have some sort of constant to latch on to, to bounce reads off of because I legit can't work alone. Wisdom happened to be my constant this game, but I don't regret that because again, he got lynched just the next day.

[borkjerfkin]

I refuse to hold anyone accountable for what happens with their attempt to cope with incomplete information

(except myself, but that's a different thing)

[Riddleton]

my god I sucked this game. wow my reads were waaayy off.

sorry guys

[borkjerfkin]

don't fucking self hammer as town.

There might be a niche situation where it makes sense
this was NOT that situation.

[Mathdino]

Had you not advocated for your own PL I'd have left you the fuck alone. Your scumslip was rendered completely invalid and your response to my pointing it out was pretty townish.

Had you been more active, I think you might've dodged the lynch with overtly town behaviour D2. You're not bad at looking town when town, Riddleton. It's that defeatism that fucked you over.

[Riddleton]

I know. I kind of wanted the day to be over already as the conclusion was inevitable and the extra conversations wouldn't have amounted to much anyway

[Mathdino]

Also, you completely nailed Victor, so I wouldn't say you were totally off. Seriously, I'd have listened pretty hard to your reads if you gave a bunch of cases and then self-hammered just due to the cred from the Victor lynch.

[borkjerfkin]

not mislynching you would've amounted to a hell of a lot

[Riddleton]

MD's exactly right, I just lost morale after a point. At a point I was just tunneling... myself... which I imagine looked awkward.

[Riddleton]

Also, you completely nailed Victor, so I wouldn't say you were totally off. Seriously, I'd have listened pretty hard to your reads if you gave a bunch of cases and then self-hammered just due to the cred from the Victor lynch.

I thought wisdom was town, I thought acryon was town. People called my VDA case shit.

[Mathdino]

*Scum called your VDA case shit, and I hated it because I was tunneling you.

[Newbie]

Tbh, this was pretty fun with a pretty good group.

[borkjerfkin]

I seriously wish people would not write cases. If you have to go back and try to find reasons to fit a conclusion that you've already decided on, which is nearly always the case when 'case-building', you are doing something wrong.

Hell I was even starting to do it unconsciously with MD and lo and behold, I was wrong

[acryon]

Tbh, this was pretty fun with a pretty good group.

True story. This game was a lot of fun either way.

I seriously wish people would not write cases. If you have to go back and try to find reasons to fit a conclusion that you've already decided on, which is nearly always the case when 'case-building', you are doing something wrong.

This is something I have definitely noticed I have been doing more as town than I wish I would recently. Definitely leads to a lot of confbias.

[Riddleton]

I seriously wish people would not write cases. If you have to go back and try to find reasons to fit a conclusion that you've already decided on, which is nearly always the case when 'case-building', you are doing something wrong.

Hell I was even starting to do it unconsciously with MD and lo and behold, I was wrong

That's not how I write cases. I find reasons for town-XYZ and scum-XYZ and compare and contrast them. Which alignment makes more sense? Then go with that.

[acryon]

I seriously wish people would not write cases. If you have to go back and try to find reasons to fit a conclusion that you've already decided on, which is nearly always the case when 'case-building', you are doing something wrong.

Hell I was even starting to do it unconsciously with MD and lo and behold, I was wrong

That's not how I write cases. I find reasons for town-XYZ and scum-XYZ and compare and contrast them. Which alignment makes more sense? Then go with that.

That approach makes sense.

[Mathdino]

My case on SilverWolf came from a reads list. I honestly went in there expecting to townread her until I was like "Shit I have literally no reason to be townreading her".

Other than that I don't think I had any cases until D4.