Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[FinnLaw]

What's not really true? What you're saying here says nothing to contradict what I said about your play.

It actually does though, you tried yo imy like I was avoiding talking about the game by instead talking about setups. Thats obviously not true. I would even call it a outright lie.

You took my vote for WAY more than it initially was, then. I said, when I voted you:

Also, gimme some idea of where you stand on a few other players rather than just the game setup, please?

Up to that point, you had done nothing but talk game setup and make one comment about a couple of players that wasn't very committal at all. Tell me how that's a lie? The way you're reacting makes me feel like you're a lot more threatened by my vote than you should be.

To way in on the discussion, up to that point not much had really went on. He wasn't going to have any real reads at that point so it's fine if its none commital. It was early page 3, and most of page 1 was confirmation stuff. What were you expecting from him?

[Scripten]

I just asked for something other than "I don't see either as scum." Sure, that's cool and all, but how about something a little more substantial?

Just about anything about any of the other players?

Beck:

Until you replied with that fervor over my vote, I was only barely scumreading you. If you didn't care about my vote, why the overreaction and cross vote?

[Beck]

I never overreacted, and I voted scum. It wasn't a crossvote.

It must suck to have been caught so early.

[Scripten]

Yawn.

Do you always suck at reading people this badly? I can see why you got defensive when I voted you.

[Beck]

Except I never got defensive, and I don't appreciate you insulting me. Do it again and ill report you to the mod

[Scripten]

Except I never got defensive, and I don't appreciate you insulting me. Do it again and ill report you to the mod

Wasn't insulting you, bud. It's your play I was insulting. Your read is so far off it's laughable and you haven't got a leg to stand on.

I voted you, and you responded with an OMGUS vote that you tried to cover up with a half-baked excuse of a case to play it off as something else. Got anything better or are you just going to call me dense and cry when I tell you that your play is poor?

[Beck]

Yeah, voting a scummy player is bad play....OK

I never omgus'd you, you can keep saying that if you want but it's just not true.

Don't criticize my play again, I consider it an insult and insulting my play is insulting me and thankfully we have a mod who has rules that strictly forbid this kind of thing.

Thank you

[Grib]

This is irritating. Let's get back to killing BBT.

Spoiler: kill

Grib saw this and assumed that Herbivores must be town.

Grib is scum. Votes on Grib please.

Refuses to acknowledge the possibility that I'm town. He has yet to present a reason why what I did was a scumslip specifically rather than a general derp.

That's how it looks to me.

Just calling it how I see it.

Low-hanging fruit...on page 3...

Not sure if serious...

Now attempting to back off, trying to weasel out of his strong scumread of me.

Fantastic.

Can you tell me why you're so sure he isn't scum?

Irritated that nobody jumped onto my wagon with him. And now he's trying to force Pine to justify his townread of me, rather than giving an actual reason why I'm scum since his one (1) original reason is, at best, smoke.

Also exaggerating Pine's townread of me, when Pine himself stated it was mild.

I think he has a scum PM.

I think he used the intro flavour to guess that townies would be Herbivores based on the colours used in the intro post.

I am an Herbivore and made an assumption based on the flavor.

Moving on.

I think he has tried to word it to look like a town-slip when it's actually a scum-slip.

Now you're just reaching.

I think he got a scum PM based on the following sentences you quoted.

It's alignment indicative because he has tried to use that to make himself look like town, or that he has town-slipped, but I see it as a scum-slip.

PEdit - Beck, I have made that mistake before. Every time I read Scripten's questioning, it makes me want to scum-read him. Give him time to get into the game before you read him too hard.

How did I try to use it to make myself look town? My intention was to use the information I thought I had to lynch scum.

Also, BBT's handwaving and reluctance to immediately pounce on an admitted possible scumread, unlike what he's been doing to me, has been noted.

Mod has said dinosaur eating habits are not alignment indicative.

Then I was wrong.

OK, well I don't think I can explain it any better than I have already tried.

aka I have no actual reason besides this pile of bullshit.

Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

[Grib]

Eh, alright. I'll try ISOing him and see if I missed anything.

Did you ever actually do this?

[Scripten]

Yeah, voting a scummy player is bad play....OK

I never omgus'd you, you can keep saying that if you want but it's just not true.

Care to summarize why you laid your vote, then? Since I'm so scummy, you can probably be very concise and clear about it, right?

Don't criticize my play again, I consider it an insult and insulting my play is insulting me and thankfully we have a mod who has rules that strictly forbid this kind of thing.

Thank you

I will play as I feel is necessary. If you have a problem with that, then either replace out, blacklist me, or what-have-you. You can stop trying to bully me, however. It will not work.

Grib:

Yes. I didn't see anything. BBT may not be town, but this is just how he plays as either alignment. Any other scumreads for now?

[Grib]

Just BBT and a light scumread on Beck. Everyone else is varying degrees of town or null.

Speaking of which, does yungh0mo even exist in this game.

[Beck]

I will play as I feel is necessary. If you have a problem with that, then either replace out, blacklist me, or what-have-you. You can stop trying to bully me, however. It will not work.

Yeah about that

3) Don't attack or insult your fellow player

[Beck]

Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

Beck hasn't been defensive at all, unless you consider me saying I'm not being defensive as being defensive.

[Scripten]

I will play as I feel is necessary. If you have a problem with that, then either replace out, blacklist me, or what-have-you. You can stop trying to bully me, however. It will not work.

Yeah about that

3) Don't attack or insult your fellow player

Again, your play is not you, and I will criticize it if I see fit unless the mod says otherwise, explicitely. I'm not discussing this any further in the game thread. PM the mod and let them sort it out if you must.

Can you respond to the part of my post that is actually game-relevant?

[Beck]

My reason for voting you is because right now you are the most scummy person in the game and I don't see your play 1. mirroring your town play in other games I just read and 2. I don't see any of your posts coming from a town mindset.

I didn't respond because I had already gave reasons why I voted you. Reading is fundamental

[Grib]

So now you are being dense on purpose, got it. Fine when I get to a computer I'll quote the posts I'm responding to, though iys quite obvious which ones I'm responding to.

Why is it that when starts to engage with you, you start creating a strawman? You're also being hypocritical here, calling him dense, but then throwing a fit when he says your play sucks.

You gave one example of how his posts don't seem to come from a town mindset. How about some more? Or do you think that the one reason you gave is damning enough?

Don't forget those quotes.

[ArcAngel9]

I only consider personal attacks/insults seriously. The spoilerd statements are not personal attacks and/or not causing any direct insults
they are the result of game arguments. Agression is common in mafia game. Please take it sportively and move on and remember to have fun.
If you don't like something, please say it to the other person. As long as it doesn't appear as personal attack. I wouldn't mind.

Yawn.

Do you always suck at reading people this badly? I can see why you got defensive when I voted you.

Except I never got defensive, and I don't appreciate you insulting me. Do it again and ill report you to the mod

[yungh0mo]

/confirm

[Beck]

I'm not creating a straw man, and calling a spade a spade isn't insulting him. If he got offended then I'm sorry but I said I would respond to the rest of his post later. He had 3 other parts of his post left to respond to, and I numbered by posts 1, 2, 3 to corelate with his 3 remaining posts in order. He even acknowledged he knew what posts I was responding to in a future post, so he had no reason to ask me to quote his posts, he did that for effect.

Now maybe dense is the wrong word, difficult fits better. He was being difficult on purpose.

I could quote more, but quoting his entire ISO seems like a waste of time so I won't bother. I don't see a single protown thought or action in any of his posts.

Better now?

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 1.1

Scripten-

FinnLaw, Beck

BlueBloodedToffee-

Grib, Pine

Grib-

BlueBloodedToffee

Beck-

Scripten

Pine-

insanity018

Not Voting

yungh0mo, Mathdino

With 9 alive it takes 5 for a lynch and 4 for no lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-11-04 09:36:00)

[yungh0mo]

/confirm

[yungh0mo]

Oh it posted lmaoo my computer was being weird sorry. Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh

[ArcAngel9]

Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh

As per the Voting Rule #3. this vote is not vaild

[Grib]

calling a spade a spade isn't insulting him.

This is horribly hypocritical. Period.

If he got offended then I'm sorry but I said I would respond to the rest of his post later. He had 3 other parts of his post left to respond to, and I numbered by posts 1, 2, 3 to corelate with his 3 remaining posts in order. He even acknowledged he knew what posts I was responding to in a future post, so he had no reason to ask me to quote his posts, he did that for effect.

I still answered you. I just asked you, politely, to quote your posts

in the future

so the conversation is easy to follow.

Is this what we're talking about?

I don't see a single protown thought or action in any of his posts.

Better now?

No. That's a strong statement that needs to be backed up or it will be dismissed.

[Beck]

you want some highlights? I'll give you some highlights.

In the below quote he is saying that he believes grib had role related info that suggests herbivores = town and carnivores = scum

Grib had role flavor that suggested it,

if he's not lying

. I'm calling null until later.

1. the mod already confirmed that isn't true. The mod confirmed that flavor is flavor and herbivore doesn't mean one alignment or another.
2. I stated that in my role pm there is nothing that suggests what type of dinosaur has any correlation to my alignment and Scripten said his was the same.

In post 60, Beck wrote:
In post 55, Scripten wrote:
Grib had role flavor that suggested it, if he's not lying. I'm calling null until later.

interesting because my role pm doesn't suggest my alignment has anything to do with the type of dinosaur I am...


Neither did mine, but Grib's summary of the role flavor seemed reasonable. Didn't feel too alignment-indicative.

Town scrip, if he honestly thought grib was telling the truth about his role pm would think grib was full of shit because that contradicts what his own role PM says.

So that leaves me to draw 1 of 2 conclusions. 1. that scrip is scum and inadvertently slipped or 2. scrip is actually town and he is really naive.

I don't see naivety coming from scrip so i'm content hedging my bets on #1.

Not to mention post 51 still comes off as fake and his subsequent post 55 appears like he's scrambling to do something to make himself look town. Not to mention he said I was non-committal when I clearly stated I though 2 players were town which directly contradicts that statement. Town would not see a player make such a statement and then accuse them of being noncommittal in my opinion..