Micro 408: Maru's Mollas Grand Idea Mafia

[Pine]

Hmm. Point. Perhaps my Control-F search wasn't refined enough. Throw Constantine back on the pile, with the marks against him (shooting first without regard for reads, eagerness to lynch low-hanging fruit) back in full force

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

My vote on aleumdaum also was also about the bandwagoning.

Also, I'm of the opinion that just because you're pushing an easy lynch doesn't mean you're not an easy lynch, and it actually kinda makes you somewhat of one. Pushing someone because they're pushing the "easy targets" is a really easy move and a really SAFE one.

I don't think Molla is really on anyone's lynch list... speaking of which, where IS molla? He hasn't posted in like 3 and a half days.

I doubt constantine would think of usurper as a fakeclaim for davyig. I also think we can't trust pine to be objective in his case.

[BBmolla]

speaking of which, where IS molla? He hasn't posted in like 3 and a half days.

Going through personal issues. I can elaborate if needed.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Sorry guys, I've been a bit distracted from the game. I'm not really getting into it.
I really don't have a clue who I should be voting right now, so I'll leave it where it is on flames.

[Flames682]

Constantine how about you explain your vote on a TP with no killing roles that leaves once it achieves its wincon.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't believe the claim. I think it is near impossible to achieve as well.
The only thing keeping me hesitant is that you are confirmable.
What makes you think scum will target you anyways? They know town has to eliminate the TP, so targeting you or pine just increases the percentages of hitting scum.
Another reason why I'm hesitant of lynching you or pine. But what irks me most of all, is how low the odds are that there are two cans of whoopass, which to make matters worst, in a 9 player game which requires three targets.

We literally got several claims which makes your wincon impossible. Suicidal Underdog, HoneyJeebs, and Usurper. Either Maruchan is an incompetent mod, or one of you is lying. I tend to believe the latter.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't believe the claim. I think it is near impossible to achieve as well.
The only thing keeping me hesitant is that you are confirmable.
What makes you think scum will target you anyways? They know town has to eliminate the TP, so targeting you or pine just increases the percentages of hitting scum.
Another reason why I'm hesitant of lynching you or pine. But what irks me most of all, is how low the odds are that there are two cans of whoopass, which to make matters worst, in a 9 player game which requires three targets.

We literally got several claims which makes your wincon impossible. Suicidal Underdog, HoneyJeebs, and Usurper. Either Maruchan is an incompetent mod, or one of you is lying. I tend to believe the latter.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Pine's strategy is also a red light. Both of them need to be targetted three times. In a 9 player game, with 5 players who claimed to have non night targeting roles (including themselves), Pine and Flames should be trying to lynch each other now. The way I see it, we need to lynch them anyways. This should be seen as confirmed scum if they are third party, and it is only supplemented by the fact that there is so much bullshit stemming from their claim.

Unless people still believe their wincondition is plausible or possible. We can waste our night actions on an impossible task, or we can eliminate one of two liabilities, who are more than likely scum.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Constantine, how about this.

If anyone gets nightkilled, we lynch flames?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

That WOULD imply that there's more than one scum. That also means that if either Pine or Flames is scum, they wont night kill, so that's kind of a moot point.
If we were to wait to lynch them, the people who would be on the lynch list would are...
- You
- Alel
- Garmr
- BBmolla
- lost patience

We can probably scrap the guy who claimed suicidal underdog.

[Pine]

We need to be targeted by 1/3 of LIVING players. It becomes easier the longer we go

Scum has incentive to target us because removing us reduces the groupscum : notgroupscum ratio, helping them win

I've explained both of these points. It is both pro-Town and pro-scum to target us

[Pine]

By the way, as a bulletproof lightningrod, Flames guarantees no N1 kills

[Pine]

Ergo, voting him is actively anti-Town

[St Constantine the Hermit]

It is interesting how the story keeps changing. We are just learning that it is 1/3 of living players and not 3 players. Flames also said that

people need to target any player

, but again, your role and his don't match up. Because you're saying you need to be directly targeted. Let's not forget, it was

YOU

who claimed for him. Flames never said he was a bulletproof lightningrod. You did for him.

The worst part is that it doesn't actually get easier as it goes. If your claims are true, then there are only 4 players that may

possibly

have a night targeting ability. We can assume at least one of them is scum, and if that's true, then they have absolutely no incentive to target you, as it furthers the town win condition, and raises the probability of them being caught. The win condition is already semi impossible, but oh wait, all this is reliant on the other 3 people having night targeting abilities.

Maruchan, this would be a good time to stop the game if their claims are true, because there is literally no way their win condition is achievable. I just get the feeling that their claim isn't true. Maruchan did say that third parties are a

threat

to town.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Flames guarantees no N1 kills

Good point.
VOTE: Pine

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Scum has incentive to target us because removing us reduces the groupscum : notgroupscum ratio, helping them win

It is a good thing I didn't miss this. No, scum have no incentive to target your non existent role. Affiliation? Seriously?
Here's a good model of what the game probably looks like now if your claims are true. It is definitely one of the two.

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Town,

Third Party, Third Party, Scum

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town,

Third Party, Third Party, Third Party, Scum

The players in bold are people who town

HAVE

to eliminate. Leaving them alive extends the game by at least two days if they don't target you.
Whereas targeting you lowers the game by at least two days,

and

increases the probability of non claimed players being scum.
Bingo, it doesn't make any sense to target you.

If I was scum in this game, the first thing I would do was forment a fake claim, since this game contains many power roles.
But hey, wait! You said I was scum earlier. If you say it benefits me, who's obviously scum, to target you, why are you telling others to lynch me?
Someone is playing against their non existent win condition...

[Flames682]

No fucking shit Pine claimed for me, if I say to target anyone and not directly me, then how is that not crumbing at all that I'm a lightning rod?

Use your fucking brain.

[Flames682]

And like I've said, I'd rather not lose because someone couldn't wait 2 fucking days.

[Flames682]

Maruchan did say that third parties are a threat to town.

Are you fucking stupid or just fucking stupid.

[Flames682]

>8 players
> Lynch someone today
> 7 players
> Suicidal underdog dies in the night
> 6 players
> Only need 2 players to target someone
> Less work for me and Pine.

[Flames682]

But hey, wait! We both said our roles were fucking confirm-able in the night!

[Pine]

Actually, Flames, you said you're a more powerful version of the Ascetic Can of Whoopass, there's only one more powerful version

Constantine, I'm pretty sure you're actively not listening now. I mean, you listed three third parties, we only have two. Garmr was one, but Underdog becomes the alignment of the first player killed, so he's Town because FuDuzn was Town

Yes, Town requires that Third Parties be eliminated, but we aren't a threat. I have zero mechanical ability to cause any harm whatsoever to Town. Zero. I don't have a kill. At absolute worst, we work together to eliminate the real threats, whether they be groupscum or SK, and then just sit around with me unable to kill anyone and powerless Townies unable to target me to fulfill their wincon

By the way, Mod, that's why you need to alter Town wincon. It creates the possibility of an infinite game for non-threat TPs and Townies to just sit there staring at the wall. Please alter the wincon accordingly, or at least create a specific exception or something. Your wording is untenable

[Pine]

Maruchan did say that third parties are a threat to town.

I mean, seriously.

If nothing else makes it through your dense skull, maybe this will.

Yes, with wincon written as it is, we are a "threat" to Town.

Groupscum and SKs are a bigger threat, as they actually have to kill you

Idiot

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Flames + Pine - You need to either calm down or ask for a replacement. Both of you are over stepping your bounds.
@Pine - I don't want to draw out the conversation at risk of my case being unnoticed. I trust people will understand what I'm saying.
If you're actually who you say you are, then can you at least agree that you have something closer to a bastard role?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Jeez, I hate when players start acting vile in the presence of logic. Seems like something scum would do.

Yes, with wincon written as it is, we are a "threat" to Town

Seriously? How am I an idiot if you agree that what I'm saying is true?

Don't forget. I still don't believe your claim, or else I wouldn't be lynching you.