Micro 408: Maru's Mollas Grand Idea Mafia

[St Constantine the Hermit]

According to you, who is also incredibly biased towards your claim. I'm wondering why you're getting so defensive.
You guaranteed you're going to get lynched anyways. I encourage others to not waste their night actions on you two, and depending on how the game goes, we'll lynch you and flames after catching scum.
If we catch scum, contingent on their still being 1/3 of players with a night targeting role, only then will we consider helping you achieve your wincon, if it really is what you say.

Now, I still think you're scum, so that puts me in a difficult position, so I'm just going to continue trusting my gut.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Interesting to note, town usually don't get defensive when one person scum reads them.
Just saying.

[Pine]

Yes, according to me. The falsehoods you're stating aren't "I think this is a lie," it's "So and so said this, and this is gospel fact," when they're not. For example, you've said that Flames and I have stated two different wincons. False. Role is impossible to achieve wincon. Also false. Role requires three players to target them, ALSO FALSE. Seriously, how many times do we have to say it? It's 1/3 of living players, not 1/3 of starting players. At day start D2, there will be six players in the game. That's TWO actions needed, one of which is the scum factional kill. Again, it is in scum's favor to take that action, as it reduces the player ratio.

The point about Town not getting defensive is moronic, wrong, and contradictory. I'm saying Third Party, you're saying scum. Pick one

[Flames682]

Interesting to note, town usually don't get defensive when one person scum reads them.
Just saying.

Actually I'm not defensive, I'm pissed off whenever someone can't read (you, if I needed to spell it out).

[Flames682]

Constantine we said that our role was

COFIRMABLE ROLES

COFIRMABLE ROLES

COFIRMABLE ROLES

COFIRMABLE ROLES

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Role is impossible to achieve wincon if their is 2 scum.

Uh.

How is there going to be 2 scum again?

[Garmr]

Role is impossible to achieve wincon if their is 2 scum.

Uh.

How is there going to be 2 scum again?

With three third parties and 9 players that would be 1 scum and three third(which all have confirmable roles).

[Flames682]

If the three third parties have confirmable roles what's the problem

[Flames682]

Interesting to note, town usually don't get defensive when one person scum reads them.
Just saying.

Interesting to note, we're third party.

[Pine]

Meh, I'm fourth party. Get off my damn lawn

[Pine]

Okay, flash of inspiration just hit me. I'm starting to see where Maru's odd Town wincon is coming from

Okay, so there has to be a bare minimum of 5 Townies, yeah? Because it has to start with a minimum of 5:4 // Town:not Town

With three TP roles, that means a maximum of 1 standard scum to start

Garmr is a suicidal underdog. If Maru hadn't made the wincon what he did, and we'd lynched or dayvig'd the only scum player, the game would have ended right there. Garmr would take on the Mafia/Werewolf/Cult/whatever wincon, immediately died, immediately lost. With the CoWs not a threat, Town would have an outright win before any night phase happened, which would cause us both to lose immediately

This way gives the chance that we'd have "as close to a normal game as possible" or whatever Maru said

There is, therefore, an obvious plan. Lynch the only member of the standard scumteam, and they're the only ones that can lose

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I'm giving Pine the benefit of the doubt. We lynch someone else today, and if doesn't hit scum, we're lynching him tomorrow.

[Flames682]

That is the shittiest logic I've ever heard.

"He lynched the wrong person, he's scum."

[Pine]

Lol @ setting up lynches

[Aleumdaum]

I am a Chocolate Townie, which other than Vanilla Townie is probably the most passively useless role. This is part of why I haven't been very interested in this game. It's disappointing to sign up for a game expecting a crazy and fun role only to get stuck with something that's practically Normal.

So, lynching me probably wouldn't do much harm, and it seems as if I've missed out on enough of this game as is.

However

, I don't understand why the claimed third party roles seem to be getting by with minimal questioning, and it feels like people aren't considering them as lynch options because of the forwardness of their claims (if there's something important I missed while quickly skimming through the past few pages, please inform me). It seems like a good scum tactic to claim a beneficial/benign third party role so that guilty investigations and those sorts of actions on you will be rendered useless, giving you more of a free pass to pursue your own agenda.

Finally, if I am secretly a lynchee or something to that effect, I'm not even mad. I haven't played up to par with what I consider my town game to normally be at, and while it's easy to blame the role for that, a lot of that is due to me being inactive in general (apparently Pine accused me earlier of active lurking, and no, that isn't the case).

Unvote

In short, lynching me wouldn't be a travesty. But now that I'm here, and considering this is a Micro game for a setup with great potential for multiple anti-town roles, I'm not ready to resign myself to becoming Day 1's mislynchbait just yet. I'll reread with more clarity in a bit.

[Pine]

Nah, I was wrong about active lurking. You'd have responded before now if that were the case

Chocolate Townie sounds legit, maybe. I'd probably do what Aleumdaum is doing too. Hell, if Constantine weren't being such an ass I'd probably not have gotten as interested and involved as I am

Still think Constantine might be your scum

Hmm

Other than that, Molla, LP, Siv

Unvote
Vote: BBMolla

Time to shake this up

[Aleumdaum]

Actually, if you're still up for a Constantine lynch, the last few posts in his ISO have me coming around to that.

Vote Constantine

[Aleumdaum]

No, never mind. I forgot about that daykill. It still feels like town.

Unvote

Well, his ISO isn't that great either:

Vote BBmolla

[Pine]

Umm,mno. The insta-daykill is one of the least Townish things Constantine has done. Town doesn't walk into a crowded room and open fire with a better than 50% chance of hitting Town. Plus, there's a bunch of scum daykill roles to be accounted for

Really, really not liking that sudden turnaround and buddying

[Aleumdaum]

I think scum would more likely save it for someone they want gone, and either way first take the time to develop a legitimate-sounding "scumread" on them in order to avoid potential unwanted backlash. Though sad, it makes more sense that Constantine is town not caring and not overthinking the possible repercussions- the "I don't care"/"I do whatever I want" attitude is really hard to fake, much less act on, as scum.

[Pine]

Yeah, smart scum would do that, as would any Town. It's badplay for any alignment, but makes no sense at all for Town. Scum at least might play it off and try to coast on the notion of daykill=Town

[Flames682]

the "I don't care"/"I do whatever I want" attitude is really hard to fake, much less act on, as scum.

Not true whatsoever.

[Garmr]

that uncomfortable moment when the third parties are doing more scum hunting than the town.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

^ yeah.

UNVOTE: aleumdaum

[LostPatience]

I found scum though, no more hunting needed .

Might be worth and iso on Constantine thouh.