Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Titus]

Totally not in favor of lynching BBT/Vettock today. More flips help us IMO. Two SK kills hidden will not be likely.

BBT hiding behind me will be treated as a scumclaim because of the high likelihood of my death.

Btw, if I am Maniac, I will shoot Mastina.
If I am Teacher, I am shooting Wicked.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.13

killapenwin (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (3) - Heartless, mastin2, vettrock
Heartless (0) -
vettrock (1) - Aneninen
Aneninen (0) -
Wickedestjr (0) -
beastcharizard (4) - killapenwin, Titus, Wickedestjr, BlueBloodedToffee
Titus (0) -
mastin2 (0) -

Not Voting: beastcharizard

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Wednesday, February 11th at 12pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-02-11 12:00:00)

[mastin2]

well this inexplicable counterwagon on a vt claim isn't suspicious at all....

Yep.
My thoughts exactly.

[mastin2]

Btw, if I am Maniac, I will shoot Mastina.
If I am Teacher, I am shooting Wicked.

Uh, no offense, but you really shouldn't be shooting at all.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If I hide behind you Titus and you get killed, I die as well.

Look how the pace of this game has changed. Both Mastin snd Heartless feel disconnected, their play has changed hugely.

I need to put some time into this game. We really need to lynch Mastin or Heartless today I think

Also, I'm hiding behind Mastin on the next night. If I die, Mastin is conf scum

[Titus]

Btw, if I am Maniac, I will shoot Mastina.
If I am Teacher, I am shooting Wicked.

Uh, no offense, but you really shouldn't be shooting at all.

And you cannot read crumbs for shit. I am very Transparent.

[Aneninen]

Totally not in favor of lynching BBT/Vettock today. ¹ More flips help us IMO. Two SK kills hidden will not be likely. ²
BBT hiding behind me will be treated as a scumclaim because of the high likelihood of my death.³
Btw, if I am Maniac, I will shoot Mastina.
If I am Teacher, I am shooting Wicked.⁴

(1) I concluded the same thing. Mathematically it's a better chance but the probability of lynching a scum is not

significantly

better. So, anyone who thinks that BBT or Vettrock are the only possible lynches Today follows a bad logic.
(2) If there's an SK at all.
(3) That wouldn't be a scumtell. That would be a dumbness-tell.
(4) I don't understand what you mean by "Maniac" and "Teacher" but, I don't think you should tell us whom you're going to target. That helps only the scums.

Btw, if I am Maniac, I will shoot Mastina.
If I am Teacher, I am shooting Wicked.

Uh, no offense, but you really shouldn't be shooting at all.

It depends on Today's flip, in my opinion.

Also, I'm hiding behind Mastin on the next night. If I die, Mastin is conf scum

DO NOT TELL YOUR MOVE!
If Mastin's scum, she's confirmed for sure but you're dead. If Mastin's town, the scums will target her and both of you're dead. You can replace Mastin's name with any of the names.
So, if you're really a Hider, don't inform us where you're going to hide (or

if

you're going to hide at all).

[Titus]

4) They are crumbs my dear. That's ok. Try to guess who I am shooting. :p


I agree on BBT not saying anything. Mastina can be framed easily. Instead, he should crumb like I did.

[Aneninen]

Please, explain me why I should "crack your crumb". Can I do anything about your shoot? No. Can the scums get your hints? Yes.

Later this evening I'll post my modified reads. (Summarizing/merging my pre-Copper-flip and post-Copper-flip reads.)

[Titus]

There's nothing they can do about my hints.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mastin isn't town. She can't get shot.

I'm telling you that's where I'm hiding.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

After I do this, you can speed lynch Mastin.

Then, speed lynch Heartless.

Should be easy to find the third scum after that.

[Titus]

And if scum just shoot you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

They'll miss because I'm behind Mastin.

[Titus]

Beast is L minus 1. Anyone townreading him?

[Titus]

I approve of the hide behind Mastina plan.

[Wickedestjr]

Took my laptop to IT and they basically said that I need to go to an apple store, which I can't do until the weekend. So I'm restricted to phone posting for the next few days when I already have lots of RL work to do.

I still want the beast lynch - I might not get another post in today. Wish I could, but it'll be difficult. Not having a computer will make school AND mafia more difficult for the time being.

I can say that I would be extremely disappointed if BBT is lynched today. I'm not saying that because we're scum buddies, but nice try.

Mod: V/LA until the weekend.

[Wickedestjr]

Also, publicizing intended night actions is awful and I shouldn't have to explain why again.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wicked, your recent posts are making me think you're scum.

[Aneninen]

So, here are my revised reads.

BBT

. – Even though I think here are a couple of disturbing things (see my recent posts and my 1691, although many things are not true anymore in the latter post), I'm not scumreading him now. The speed of his wagon was also suggesting for me that he's not scum. If both BBT and Vettrock are scum we're pretty much f-cked but I hope that it's not true.
I'm considering him a bad lynch Today.

Vettrock

. – He looks much scummier now than before the Copper-flip. His recent posts are either against BBT or Setup-speculations. I still can't see why I should townread him. So, if there's a scum in the Vettrock/BBT pair, I think it's Vettrock.
Would lynch him Today. I'd prefer this lynch.

Mastin

. – She looks much scummier now than before the Copper-flip. Eg. her quick-vote for BBT before the Mod resolution was blatantly scummy (especially since she was completely for the Copper-lynch before the flip). If she's scum, it's not likely that either BBT or Vettrock is her partner.
Not a bad lynch, but not a priority.

Beast

. – I think my reads about him in 1751 must have been wrong. Everything, really, everything he has done since the Copper-flip has been blatantly scummy. Could be scum with Vettrock or basicly anyone.
Definitely a better lynch than BBT.

Heartless

. – They're propagating the BBT lynch, but they were scumreading him before the Copper-slip so, that's a null in itself. On the other hand, their reasoning is not good (there's no mathematical proof that we should choose between BBT and Vettrock, regardless of the fact that BBT's not doing Setup math at all). They could be scum with Vettrock or Mastin too.
Not a bad lynch, but not a priority.

Titus

. – I don't know. It's easy to imagine that she's against lynching both BBT or Vettrock, although this isn't a scumtell in itself (I've proven that it would be bad to rule out every other possible lynches). It's unlikely that she's scum with Vettrock (Titus could have lynched BBT if she wanted to do so). If she's really a Vig, she'll probably get Nightkilled. If she's still alive, we should take a closer look on her Tomorrow (especially if BBT's alive too).
Not lynching her.

Wicked

. – Normally, I would townread him and he has done nothing scummy since the Copper-flip. But, it would be a mistake to rule him out. (If there's no scum between Vettrock and BBT, all VT-claims apart from Penguin and me are scums.)
Bad lynch Today.

Penguin

. – The possibility of a BBT/Penguin scumpair is a borderline for me now, I'm ignoring this. If they're scum, f-ck off.
Not lynching him.

________

Summary.
There's less than 1 day until Deadline.
Vettrock is my strongest scumread, but I don't think there would be a Vettrock-wagon Today.
It seems that we lynch either BBT or Beast.

Beast looks much scummier than BBT.

It's night here.
Unless someone tells me not doing so, I'll move my Beast in the morning.

UNVOTE:

[Aneninen]

*Unless someone tells me not to do so, I'll move my

vote to

Beast in the morning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I absolutely think you should do that.

Personally, I think you should do that right now.

[Titus]

@Anenimen, A vig when wrong can be deadly to the town so don't be so sure I wi)l die.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Every single person Mastin has voted, except one (Vettrock) have been confirmed as town.

Is Mastin really this bad as town or is she simply scum? Correct, she's simply scum.

Please, please, please, lynch her tomorrow. Followed by Heartless and then maybe Wicked (if BC doesn't flip scum)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Her hopping between leading wagons D1 is pretty scummy.