Mini 1646: Quil's Smalltown (Game over!)

[xRECKONERx]

bishes im town thooooo

[xRECKONERx]

scum r gonna kill me so i dont cop their ass so really it's fine to ignore me the whole game, it'll sort itself out

[Antihero]

VOTE: jingle

lol

[Quilford]

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  Vote count 1.3
  
  
  Jingle (2)— Shiidaji, Antihero
  farside22 (2)— Jingle, Pine
  Aronis (2)— DeasVail, Marquis
  Pine (2)— farside22, Grib
  Marquis (2)— Aronis, xRECKONERx
  
  Not Voting (3)— Bookitty, Flubbernugget, Jake from State Farm
  
  It takes 7 to lynch or no lynch.
  
  
  Deadline
  
  
  Day 1 will be 10 days long. It ends in (expired on 2015-02-24 21:15:09).
  
  
  Mod notes
  
  
  Jake from State Farm is on V/LA.
  
  Remember, you can request an updated Role PM containing your selected role's info any time you like, as detailed in the Setup post.

[DeasVail]

ascetic after roleblocker and for

those

reasons after voting me?

lmfao VOTE: aronis

I know, right?

DV why am I third.

I needed to make the post sound more dramatic and with only two scumreads I wasn't really feeling it.

[xRECKONERx]

oh ok chill

[Grib]

grib or jingle are fine for hot lynching too

Changed my mind about Grib.

Oh? Why is that?

[Marquis]

i was scum in reck's last mini with aronis as a partner

them voting me is surprising and... surprising

[Bookitty]

Here is a list of the chosen roles in order. I was reminding myself about what Invictus and Insomniac do, so I went ahead and put it in order of choosing:

Marquis, the Encryptor
Aronis, the Ascetic
DeasVail, the Bulletproof
xRECKONERx, the One-Shot Cop
Pine, the Gentleman Thief
Bookitty, the Archivist
farside22, the Invictus
Jake from State Farm, the Roleblocker
Shiidaji, the Bodyguard
Grib, the Insomniac
Jingle, the Coroner
Antihero, the Universal Backup
Flubbernugget, the Vengeful Vanilliser

I don't think people at the bottom of this list can really be judged based solely on the role they chose. Just my opinion, though.

@Aronis: Why do you think an ascetic is especially powerful in scum hands and should be kept out of them? I have a few ideas on this and want to understand your thought process when switching from roleblocker to ascetic. The reasons you gave seem odd to me.

[Aronis]

Here is a list of the chosen roles in order. I was reminding myself about what Invictus and Insomniac do, so I went ahead and put it in order of choosing:

Marquis, the Encryptor
Aronis, the Ascetic
DeasVail, the Bulletproof
xRECKONERx, the One-Shot Cop
Pine, the Gentleman Thief
Bookitty, the Archivist
farside22, the Invictus
Jake from State Farm, the Roleblocker
Shiidaji, the Bodyguard
Grib, the Insomniac
Jingle, the Coroner
Antihero, the Universal Backup
Flubbernugget, the Vengeful Vanilliser

I don't think people at the bottom of this list can really be judged based solely on the role they chose. Just my opinion, though.

@Aronis: Why do you think an ascetic is especially powerful in scum hands and should be kept out of them? I have a few ideas on this and want to understand your thought process when switching from roleblocker to ascetic. The reasons you gave seem odd to me.

Ascetic is immune to everything except kills. Scum and SK are the only people with kills, town has none. So if they get ascetic, they have a player immune to every town action.

[Aronis]

i was scum in reck's last mini with aronis as a partner

them voting me is surprising and... surprising

Can you answer my question plz?

[Marquis]

do you really care or are you just continuing that line of questioning for the sake of it

[Bookitty]

@Aronis:

A hidden ascetic would indeed be a powerful role for scum. I really don't see it that way in a game where all roles are known to everyone, though. Ascetics are no more immune to lynch than anyone else, and in a game with groupscum and SK, I don't see an open ascetic role as something to be kept from scum.

In at least one game I have been in (I think there were more, but this one was more recent) the claimed ascetic was lynched almost right away. I don't think that applies exactly here, since we KNOW you're an ascetic. Still, you're gaining all the benefits you ascribe to scum in that you can't be targeted for anything and your alignment can't be determined. You should realise that makes you a likely target for lynching just because we can't know if you're scum or town.

Roleblocker is a role I think scum would want to avoid in this game, though. Roleblocks that don't correspond with town interests (for instance, roleblocks on investigative roles) would be pretty obvious and would lead to suspicion and possible lynch. Because all the roles are out in the open, it's going to be much harder for scum to hide and still play effectively to their win condition.

Do you feel pretty confident in your ability to play power roles well, Aronis?
However, for town these difficulties don't exist.

[Bookitty]

Sorry, somehow I transposed two sentences at the end. Let me fix that:

@Aronis:

A hidden ascetic would indeed be a powerful role for scum. I really don't see it that way in a game where all roles are known to everyone, though. Ascetics are no more immune to lynch than anyone else, and in a game with groupscum and SK, I don't see an open ascetic role as something to be kept from scum.

In at least one game I have been in (I think there were more, but this one was more recent) the claimed ascetic was lynched almost right away. I don't think that applies exactly here, since we KNOW you're an ascetic. Still, you're gaining all the benefits you ascribe to scum in that you can't be targeted for anything and your alignment can't be determined. You should realise that makes you a likely target for lynching just because we can't know if you're scum or town.

Roleblocker is a role I think scum would want to avoid in this game, though. Roleblocks that don't correspond with town interests (for instance, roleblocks on investigative roles) would be pretty obvious and would lead to suspicion and possible lynch. Because all the roles are out in the open, it's going to be much harder for scum to hide and still play effectively to their win condition. However, for town these difficulties don't exist.

Do you feel pretty confident in your ability to play power roles well, Aronis?

[Shiidaji]

scum r gonna kill me so i dont cop their ass so really it's fine to ignore me the whole game, it'll sort itself out

We can cuddle for a night c'mere

grib or jingle are fine for hot lynching too

Changed my mind about Grib.

Oh? Why is that?

I'm insanely attracted to you.

[DeasVail]

Aronis Scumread

(aka, why Aronis should be pressured and attacked until he spills all his scummy secrets and begs for the mercy granted to him by being lynched)

Now when I first saw Aronis pick ascetic, I was thinking to myself, 'Oh now that's a ballsy townie'. However, on further thought, I am left questioning exactly how 'ballsy' or 'townie' it really is.

The first reason for me saying this is that Marquis had already chosen Encryptor, a scum solely beneficial to scum just as Ascetic is, which if Marquis is town (which I believe is likely the case at this stage), gives Aronis-scum licence of sorts to do the same. It's just like if the coolest boy in school decided to replace his makeup (lipstick, eye shadow, whatever else people wear these days, I don't know) with Vegemite. Now this thought has me shuddering with disgust. Having to put up with the taste of what looks like, and may as well be, something I'd rather not name ALL DAY LONG is not something I'm remotely interested in. And don't get me started on what it would do to your eyes! However, if the coolest boy in school does it, then no matter how awkward, uncool, or otherwise socially incompetent you are, you are allowed to do it too. (urghk!) In this scenario, Marquis is the cool townie accessorizing with Vegemite, while Aronis is the uncool scum who thinks it ok to do the same (and let's just say he secretly loves Vegemite and is therefore scum whose Vegemite-accessorizing dreams have come true or something). Assuming Marquis is town, he has picked a role that would be associated with scum for (hopefully) pro-town reasons. If Aronis is scum that knows Marquis is town, then he can pick a helpful role for scum while having a pro-town reason to do so, because after all a townie did it right before him! (On that note I'd be quite surprised if both Marquis and Aronis were scum).

Therefore, after that most likely way too long ramble that probably shouldn't be described as an explanation, I don't consider Aronis picking ascetic to be conclusively town.

But why do I think he's scum?

What really caused me to make my vote (which I actually had very low conviction in at the time) was this quote:

I'm gone until monday.

But based solely off of role selection?

VOTE: farside

What up now?

You're saying farside is scum based on role selection? Wtf would scum want that role? It is of no use to them.

Now Aronis is very aggressively attacking Jingle's suspicion on the basis that farside would not choose a role as scum that was not useful to her. However, by choosing ascetic as town, why would he be assuming that people would choose roles that are useful for their alignment? By choosing ascetic he would be above such basic assumptions, yes? Well as scum, maybe not.

My main complaint right now, however, is his vote on Marquis, not for being made in the first place, but for still being there along with his questioning. In my opinion, Aronis is quite clearly active and engaged and so I feel we can discard the scenario where he put a vote down at the start of the game and hasn't had the time/motivation to think about changing it. However, considering his supposed reasons for picking ascetic, he should at least be considering Marquis in a favourable light. Obviously we have not been given much indication of the vote's seriousness, but if it's not serious, then why is there this weird persistence in asking Marquis how serious his vote is, which on its own isn't very impressive due to its self-centred nature, and why is the vote still there when we actually have a decent amount of content to base votes on? If it is serious, why is there no response to my desire for reasons to not consider Marquis town?

Either way, something's not right here.

[DeasVail]

@DV reck isn't leaning either way for me yet but I'mma look aronis over, didn't care for his role switch first read through.

I don't have much of an opinion on Reck's alignment either. I appreciate you looking at him though, but you don't need to take all of my posting too seriously.

[Aronis]

UNVOTE:

Now can you please come up with a good reason?

[Aronis]

Sorry, somehow I transposed two sentences at the end. Let me fix that:

@Aronis:

A hidden ascetic would indeed be a powerful role for scum. I really don't see it that way in a game where all roles are known to everyone, though. Ascetics are no more immune to lynch than anyone else, and in a game with groupscum and SK, I don't see an open ascetic role as something to be kept from scum.

In at least one game I have been in (I think there were more, but this one was more recent) the claimed ascetic was lynched almost right away. I don't think that applies exactly here, since we KNOW you're an ascetic. Still, you're gaining all the benefits you ascribe to scum in that you can't be targeted for anything and your alignment can't be determined. You should realise that makes you a likely target for lynching just because we can't know if you're scum or town.

Roleblocker is a role I think scum would want to avoid in this game, though. Roleblocks that don't correspond with town interests (for instance, roleblocks on investigative roles) would be pretty obvious and would lead to suspicion and possible lynch. Because all the roles are out in the open, it's going to be much harder for scum to hide and still play effectively to their win condition. However, for town these difficulties don't exist.

Do you feel pretty confident in your ability to play power roles well, Aronis?

Just depends.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: aronis

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: DeasVail

[xRECKONERx]

wait fuck no i meant to sheep him not vote him

VOTE: aronis

[Aronis]

VOTE: aronis

wait fuck no i meant to sheep him not vote him

VOTE: aronis

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: aronis

wait fuck no i meant to sheep him not vote him

VOTE: aronis

VOTE: DeasVail

wait fuck no

i meant to sheep him

not vote him

VOTE: aronis

i meant to sheep him

sheep him

sheep

him

him

=

DeasVail

[Aronis]

Yeah, sorry about that. I forgot you were incapable of coming up with your own reasons.