Pathfinder Mafia - GAME OVER

[ZZZX]

Yo. I'll read this today

[ZZZX]

UNVOTE: until finish reading

[ZZZX]

Yeah! Wagons are cool!

VOTE: Here there be...

hey wait a minute...

this post is leaking town is some abnormal quantities. must stahp. pleze stahp

[ZZZX]

Rawr!!!!!! I don't like someone killing ika. I kill ika. Me pissed.

VOTE: Varsoon

Me want out of RVS!

I hate this post tbh.

[ZZZX]

I wouldn't say Titus is bread-crumbing. Isn't crumbing supposed to be subtle?

Is that the only thing you found weird?

You didn't think me giving Titus townread solely for that weird?

its not break crumping. its somewha claiming.

and i dont find it as some town-read materal.

[ZZZX]

oop i have a lecture now.

a few more pages of reading after an hour or so. This game seems a little interesting.

[ZZZX]

I am sorry for failing to continue reading in time.

I will post tonight. a huge accident on my way home and I am waaay behind my schedule on many things.....

[ZZZX]

Sleep is an illusion. :/

I'm going to have a look at the star wars game.

sleep is for the weak.

[ZZZX]

Gona get and read after 2 days. got an exam 2moro

[ZZZX]

Wow irl really has it in for this slot's occupants, huh?

it was the same for the prev owner? interesting huh..

[ZZZX]

VLA UNTIL SUNDAY

last exam soon (TM)

i am so happeh

[ZZZX]

Here just to remind that I am vla and in 2 days I will be free to catch up here.

[ZZZX]

Here just to remind that I am vla and in 2 days I will be free to catch up here.

just a reminder that you still have a red pm.

???

[ZZZX]

It would be anti town for me to claim more info than I have.

I don't believe displaced when he says he couldn't think of any reasons why claiming a role would be anti town. Is that a lack of imagination on his part? Somehow I doubt it.

This post is interesting. I will be commenting here because when I am back ill need to use this post for a few notes

[ZZZX]

AM back btw.

will read...

[ZZZX]

Guys why so freakibg impatiant lol.
I wasnt lurking bu5 I was busy. Will I am 10 pages in and ill try to give a readlist today

[ZZZX]

When I said ZZZX was going to lurk the whole game, I was neither joking nor exaggerating.

Shalt I prove you wrong. My good sir?

[ZZZX]

@htbd: let's lynch zzzx then. If you get support on him I'll jump on. Else I like my ank vote. This is so scum it hurts.

I think you misread my "shouldn't" as "should". In light of the replace out,

VOTE: Ankamius.

When I said ZZZX was going to lurk the whole game, I was neither joking nor exaggerating.

Shalt I prove you wrong. My good sir?

Go for it.

I will start by finding your true... alignment first... that is.

[ZZZX]

Spoiler:

Ah right. RVS.
Hmm.

[insert something something "hero vanquish dem dragons" something]

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

I got one of my first choices.

Vote Here There Be Dragons

Because I hate hydras and wagons are cool.

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons
Sure, why not

Wagons -are- cool.
VOTE: Here there be dragons

I also think we can game the feats a little, but that depends on who has access to feats and such.
I get one at level 1, by-the-by.

Yeah! Wagons are cool!

VOTE: Here there be...

hey wait a minute...

Unvote

just in case

I am very excited to be playing in a hydra with my significant other...do you hate love too?

~STD

hi f

VOTE: Murder of Crows

-guys

Rawr!!!!!! I don't like someone killing ika. I kill ika. Me pissed.

VOTE: Varsoon

Me want out of RVS!

VOTE: Varsoon

Well one of my experimantal reads that I am going to try this game. (that cant be used that often sadly) is that scum rarely (like so rare) to vote thier team mate at the first vote for rvs.

Thus If Dr is scum Dragon is not.
If Dragon is scum Murder is not.
If Titus is scum then Varsoon is not.

(Lets put this aside for now. this might come in handy later. )

now lets take a deeper look at the actual game shall we? (post stream incoming. slowly but surely)

[ZZZX]

Dragon a questions:

How can i know between your heads?

[ZZZX]

Dragons pre-PbPA notes:
Dragons didnt talk about my old slot at all. Rendering low-interaction read mostly unusable.
Seems too cute to be scum... (ok)
Ceph thinks i will lurk all game cus I had been busy lately... thats not a fair judgement.

ehm anyway time to start my thing...

[ZZZX]

Dragon a questions:

How can i know between your heads?

STD signs. I sometimes sign, but all unsigned posts are me.

Dragons pre-PbPA notes:
Dragons didnt talk about my old slot at all. Rendering low-interaction read mostly unusable.
Seems too cute to be scum... (ok)
Ceph thinks i will lurk all game cus I had been busy lately... thats not a fair judgement.

ehm anyway time to start my thing...

How would talking about your slot have helped?

I think it's pretty fair but sure~

-Ceph

Well I never said thats a good or a bad thing. I just put that point down because it means something else.

and You are not. :/ I am not a bad player ... usually.

[ZZZX]

HBD PbPA part 1 (100 posts are 2 long)

Spoiler:

1- Seems cool. Town points here.
17- Hmm? No Comment
19 - N.C
21 - N.C
23 - Hated it at first the longer i read it the more townish I feel it is. Except the Varsoon HTBD interaction felt weird... somewhat.
31- wat?
35- I would usually like this kind of posts until I think about it. This post doesnt feel good tbh. Scum points for this post
(4 posts here that are just random stuff that are not even worth writing)
91- I dont like this post. looks like content when its nothing. noted.
92- I am a gut player and I dont get why but ok...
118- Straight to the point I guess?
126- you said "Yeah, scum have never claimed miller ever, and given that they've seen however many roles it is completely impossible any of them have negative utility. Please." I think ... how do you know for sure if they did see roles? *scum points intensifies*
127- N.C
131/132 - pointless post. I dont believe it means anything
137 - Nice post. Town points slightly
138- That whole thing doesnt make sense anyway. but i believe Nero/Dragons are not in the same alignment prob.
140- N.C
141- The first part makes sense except... It has nothing to do with titus's alignment.
142-I can say Nero and titus might be scum together from this post. Scum always go comment about thier wagons as meh/ok wagon easp early on.
165- Why would Flum town reading titus change your read on flum btw? It is true it seems weird but I would expect his reaction like that later on. anyway Its an interesting thing. And not neseserally a bad thing.

Tl;Dr:
So far up 2 165 dragons looks town while making nero / titus look bad. interesting enough. but i got a few bad vibes from some of his posts.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX's iso reads feels really weird; I don't think I've seen him do stuff like that before. Feels like scum trying to look busy by DOING WORK.

Revolution mafia/MerryGoRound/etc

list goes on.

proven wrong.

you can move ahead now.

[ZZZX]

what do you think about the case/wagon on Titus?

I think titus deserves wagoning but something feels off. I will try to find out why i feel uneasy about it as I continue reading now.

[ZZZX]

Also I know zzzx is useless every game.

Half of my games proves you wrong my friend. This kind of thing pisses me off.

Regards

-Z

[ZZZX]

Why did you feel the need to pad your Iso with 'No Comment' comments? Feels super fakey.

cus a post early on that has no content of fluff that just exists for the reason of existing cant have any meaning and/or comments I can make. can you show me better?

[ZZZX]

1- Seems cool. Town points here.

like this? post 1 was the mod so why is he giving the mod town points? The first GAME post is actually post 6 by GIF so maybe he meant that?

BUT WAIT

hi

deserves no town points so he obviously meant something else?

Based on this alone, it has me worried that his post is made up bull. There are some other weird looking things but I got tired of trying to look up the posts.


ZZZX please redo your 958 with links.

by post one i ment his first post.
also I work by intentions and gut. not by logical single post analysis. I analysis the inner reasoning behind a post. and if a scum can get to do it or not. the links thing was hard to do on my tablet i guess.

[ZZZX]

Spoiler:

Yeah! Wagons are cool!

VOTE: Here there be...

hey wait a minute...

Unvote

just in case

I am very excited to be playing in a hydra with my significant other...do you hate love too?

~STD

hi f

VOTE: Murder of Crows

-guys

Way to wagon the love hydra on valentine's day. You're jealous. We get it.

How do you feel about your up-and-coming wagon?

This is not my first game so I don't really care =)

~STD

If I say "poor ika" am I just going to add fuel to the fire of the wagon against us?

~STD

Well I already know what Titus is claiming.

Can we not?

Can we not?

hi

HBD first 8 posts for lazy people.

[ZZZX]

HBD PbPA part 1 (100 posts are 2 long)

Spoiler:

1- Seems cool. Town points here.
17- Hmm? No Comment
19 - N.C
21 - N.C
23 - Hated it at first the longer i read it the more townish I feel it is. Except the Varsoon HTBD interaction felt weird... somewhat.
31- wat?
35- I would usually like this kind of posts until I think about it. This post doesnt feel good tbh. Scum points for this post
(4 posts here that are just random stuff that are not even worth writing)
91- I dont like this post. looks like content when its nothing. noted.
92- I am a gut player and I dont get why but ok...
118- Straight to the point I guess?
126- you said "Yeah, scum have never claimed miller ever, and given that they've seen however many roles it is completely impossible any of them have negative utility. Please." I think ... how do you know for sure if they did see roles? *scum points intensifies*
127- N.C
131/132 - pointless post. I dont believe it means anything
137 - Nice post. Town points slightly
138- That whole thing doesnt make sense anyway. but i believe Nero/Dragons are not in the same alignment prob.
140- N.C
141- The first part makes sense except... It has nothing to do with titus's alignment.
142-I can say Nero and titus might be scum together from this post. Scum always go comment about thier wagons as meh/ok wagon easp early on.
165- Why would Flum town reading titus change your read on flum btw? It is true it seems weird but I would expect his reaction like that later on. anyway Its an interesting thing. And not neseserally a bad thing.

Tl;Dr:
So far up 2 165 dragons looks town while making nero / titus look bad. interesting enough. but i got a few bad vibes from some of his posts.

This post could really use a lot more explanation, though, and I don't see how the tldr matches the content.

Why not? Generally you did scummy stuff but there was no scummy intention is any of your posts. I find that pretty townish.

[ZZZX]

I think he meant post 1 in our iso and then stopped using iso numbers

So he's giving you town point for a self vote? Its p null, I could actually see it coming from scum getting wagoned and laughing thier wagon off but meh...still deserves no town points.

ZZZX, PV, Monkeyman are my preferred lynches.

I could see ZZZX being scum, not currently buying PV scum though.

I am seen as scum even without posting more than 2 game related posts because... I lurked for 3(~~!!!) days when i had exams

holy shit lol

[ZZZX]

Reason I am being active here is that I dont want another Reck's Retrospective Rehash where my laziness costed us the game.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX's iso reads feels really weird; I don't think I've seen him do stuff like that before. Feels like scum trying to look busy by DOING WORK.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5902595

pro tip: Ah Ha = No comment.

also I DID do work. and you are saying I am scum becuase I am doing work? seems like scum trying to look like having a valid read

[ZZZX]

His intentions feel summy.

and I am active lurking? If I am active lurking then you are saying random *.

I dont see my posts containing anything less than valid reads and analysis. can you point out where I am freaking active lurking?

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Nero for ignorance + not making sense.

I dont see any town intention from your last post. noone at all. your post is what is active lurking.

your post can be summed as :


why(favorite active lurking phrase)

*random stuff that doesnt affect anything at all*

*you arent active - still useless info-*

fun fact: in the last 24 hours I am more active than the whole player base combined here.

[ZZZX]

That omgus is bad and you should bad about it.

Omgus is love. Omgus is life.

[ZZZX]

But on all seriousness. He is more guilty of active lurking than I am.

Also i either post when I can or just say that I cant post. Being accused of active lurking pisses me off because if i was scum I could just show you what ACTUAL active lurking is and get away with it. Sadly I am too town to waste time of other townies like that.

[ZZZX]

Flum, could you explain your townreads on GiF and Crows please?

Crow's replace out looked more like overwhelmed town to me.
I dislike how GiF is lurking, but in his limited posts he seemed to be trying to figure the game out and it seemed genuine.

On another note, I don't understand the hostility towards ZZZX.

very recently I didn't focus alot on games cus of rl. Might be it? Idk

[ZZZX]

@d3
I still stand that they should be there. Esp in a pbpa

[ZZZX]

Will reply to all in an hour . Just got home dead tired

[ZZZX]

Also to all I have one qiestion for you. I am trying to be honest here and give my thoughts about any person i read without filtering them. However I am being blamed for not doing so. But I believe a town player should never have anything to hide. Rhoughts?

[ZZZX]

I failed to answer today cus i slept whole day :/

2moro I am free after 5:00pm my time (which should be ~16 hours from this post) so... yea

[ZZZX]

I am trying to be honest here and give my thoughts about any person i read without filtering them. However I am being blamed for not doing so

I don't see why you'd be against filtering people (I'm also assuming filtering=isoing?). It seems espesially odd considering that you started the game by ISOing Dragons...

Fwiw, that post and his reaction to being accused of active lurking feel genuine.

Does that make him town? Can scum not be legit pissed or something?

filtering = filtering thoughts = not saying what is on my mind truthfully

[ZZZX]

Why is ZZZX not scum?

Lets do this the other way around...

Why is ZZZX scum?

also OMGUS is not scummy... It never is and never will be.

[ZZZX]

After I am back I will interrupt my dragon read to read PV. I can see my conclusion is pretty much true if you look at his current play

[ZZZX]

Is there anyone in this game who knows how to read me?

Yes, because subtly hinting that this is your town game definitely makes it your town game. And knowing what your town game is definitely doesn't make you able to spoof it when you draw scum.

There are a few things that even scum-person cant immitate good enough for a whole 4 months without slipping once or just forgetting a few points. Nature is harder to repeat 100% preciecly. which is why meta exists

[ZZZX]

also OMGUS is not scummy... It never is and never will be.

lol no

I find you scummy for two reasons (other than that OMGUS). First you've done shit all this game. Second

VLA UNTIL SUNDAY

last exam soon (TM)

i am so happeh

life happens, big deal

Here just to remind that I am vla and in 2 days I will be free to catch up here.

I failed to answer today cus i slept whole day :/

2moro I am free after 5:00pm my time (which should be ~16 hours from this post) so... yea

but 873 and 1066 make it look like yu are really worried about how you are perceived and I think town would care alot less about that.

Also why did you not comment on thr fitst 10 pages, was there noting worth commenting on?

Lol?

First we have differsnt standards oj scumtells.

2nd I wss lynched because I Was vusy but town thought I'm just not doing anything just because when I was town. I changed it and now you want me to be lynched for the opposite? Lolni

Last i am s replacement. including my vla I have had 1/6 of your playtime uet I dont see you have done anything otger than omg zzzx here lurk lynch yeassssss

[ZZZX]

Also why did you not comment on thr fitst 10 pages, was there noting worth commenting on?

First we have differsnt standards oj scumtells.

ok?

Still doesn't make your OMGUS+do nothing active lurk+being worried about how you are viewed any less likely to come from scum.

2nd I wss lynched because I Was vusy but town thought I'm just not doing anything just because when I was town. I changed it and now you want me to be lynched for the opposite? Lolni

No offense bro but if you don't have time to ply perhaps you shouldn't play. Though you haven't CHANGED anything. The ONLY thing yo've done this game is give a random read on the Dragon spot. So you STILL haven't done anything. But if you are so busy how do you constantly find time to post and respond to your attackers but you've yet to contribute anything meaningful in the way of scumhunting?

I am pretty active here abd unlike games where I knew I should give the game more I am giving this game a decent effort.

instead of reading the first few pages I read recent ones and I alsor ead firt 5 pages. Yes I missed 5 pages of content but since everything worth mensioning there was told in a quote later I don't think I missed anything.

Look farward tog eeting a few of your posys read today btw

[ZZZX]

I am also in a good mood so ask me anything. I am in a good mood so I might go out of my way and explain it in a way you will hopefully get (unless ur scum)

[ZZZX]

I am pretty active here abd unlike games where I knew I should give the game more I am giving this game a decent effort.

You have

maybe

a handful of content post and the rest is promising future content or responding to your attackers. You really aren't giving this game the effort you think you are.

aren't I? Yes I haven't gave the game what it needs 100% but a handful for two days compared to.. your unending posting of attacking me for no actual reason?

Lets say I am doing bullshit (which is what you cans ay I did in recks game) . I was town there wasn't I?

At worst I am a useless waste of slot. At best I'm on my qay to catch the whole scum team.

I cant see a scum option here

[ZZZX]

Let's not. There are so many scumbutts in this game that a null slot lynch is not acceptable

This holds true
Quiet pv is usually town too

[ZZZX]

Regardless of your alignment, you aren't going to agree with what I'm saying about yo

Then you are saying that my responses are meaning less and ypu know its not allignment inducative yet you blame me for it?

[ZZZX]

Myself and any townie that feels confident in a read will continue to push that read 'cause you know, that's what town does. I honestly feel like you trying to write that off as bizarre craziness only makes me want to lynch you more 'cause I feel like if you were town you'd understand that concept so it feels like feigned ignorance to me. Also I'm not really doing that.

If you were town you would understand how I defend my own case as hard as you attack me

Because that's what

dragons

town does

[ZZZX]

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

So you know I am town and that I have a green pm but I am scum.??


nero i thought youa re better than this

[ZZZX]

Yes I haven't gave the game what it needs 100% but a handful for two days compared to..

your unending posting of attacking me for no actual reason?

lol. Regardless of your alignment, you aren't going to agree with what I'm saying about you. I think you are scum, I feel somewhat confident that you will flip scum. Myself and any townie that feels confident in a read will continue to push that read 'cause you know, that's what town does. I honestly feel like you trying to write that off as bizarre craziness only makes me want to lynch you more 'cause I feel like if you were town you'd understand that concept so it feels like feigned ignorance to me. Also I'm not really doing that.

Lets say I am doing bullshit (which is what you cans ay I did in recks game) . I was town there wasn't I?

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

But I don't think lurking it up in some other game is a good indicator of this being your town game. I think it has more to do with poor play than anything.

can't deny the bad play part. But I didn't lurk here and lurking there isa. Pure nulp read as you said. Then why are you voting me in place of say uuhhhh


Someone with a red crimson pm?

[ZZZX]

I'm okay with a ZZZX lynch after these last few posts.

Scum post. Either explain why or hide ib tour acum chat.

[ZZZX]

General (last few pists..) posts are made by scum 73% of the time. I know cus I did it myself without noticing

[ZZZX]

K ill brb to eat. Be back soon

[ZZZX]

Actually ill iso actual lurkers here in 30 tp show you how u r ovrlooking stuff

[ZZZX]

OMG. I read some of my old games. I played so fucking bad.

There was a game where I fakeclaimed mason with one mason still alive and confirmed as mason. I'm the god fakeclaims apparently.

I have done worse on anitger site... xD

[ZZZX]

I'm okay with a ZZZX lynch after these last few posts.

Scum post. Either explain why or hide ib tour acum chat.

This post is a pretty good example of my point. Your entire side of the argument with Nero is nothing but deflecting and this just furthers that tactic.

What dows that 3 lines of magnificent english mean?

Freaking either deliver youe point and don't try ti scummly make it fancy. I am starting to doubt nero being scum just from how fking arrogent he is but this? This is bs...

Vote:Ank

[ZZZX]

This reminds me of recks. People wanted me dead for many reasons including my survival even thou i explained perfectly why scum kept my alive

same post in scum pt. but nobody listened (yes it was my fault for sucking pre-last few days thou)

however you cant use same thing here when you call me for doing nothing as a recent replacement when you freaking people have done less as people who have been here since start of the game. -.-

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Displaced

Whee~

My gut gives me good feelings about them. Otherwise there really isn't a whole lot to say about them, since most of the conversation up to this point is boring.

About the only interesting thing is this Titus wagon exploding out of nowhere, which reeks of scum.

My gut gives me good feelings about them. Otherwise there really isn't a whole lot to say about them, since most of the conversation up to this point is boring.

About the only interesting thing is this Titus wagon exploding out of nowhere, which reeks of scum.

No it doesn't. That wagon looks pretty towndriven, actually, and I find this disingenuous. The Titus wagon did not explode out of nowhere; it ony gained a few votes; less, I believe, than Narninian. The Narninian wagon is the one that exploded out of nowhere; the one on Titus had pretty clear reasoning behind it.

Narninian got a grand total of 2 votes before the Titus wagon took off, the second of which was basically a return vote when Narn voted Titus. A third was added after the Titus wagon was in full force, but it's irrelevant and either way it makes your statement completely false.

Titus wagon is shit because she's a player that is really easy to attack, so having multiple people hop right on after someone starts the wagon is something scum would get behind.

My gut gives me good feelings about them. Otherwise there really isn't a whole lot to say about them, since most of the conversation up to this point is boring.

About the only interesting thing is this Titus wagon exploding out of nowhere, which reeks of scum.

No it doesn't. That wagon looks pretty towndriven, actually, and I find this disingenuous. The Titus wagon did not explode out of nowhere; it ony gained a few votes; less, I believe, than Narninian. The Narninian wagon is the one that exploded out of nowhere; the one on Titus had pretty clear reasoning behind it.

Narninian got a grand total of 2 votes before the Titus wagon took off, the second of which was basically a return vote when Narn voted Titus. A third was added after the Titus wagon was in full force, but it's irrelevant and either way it makes your statement completely false.

Titus wagon is shit because she's a player that is really easy to attack, so having multiple people hop right on after someone starts the wagon is something scum would get behind.

What was your displaced vote about?

His vote gave me the worst feels.

I'm not going to answer that question mainly because I've been realizing over the past several months that trying to explain things before I know exactly what's bugging me about stuff usually leads me down the wrong direction.

displaced - 1 (Ankamius)
displaced - 2 (Fluminator, PeregrineV)

I feel special~

Monkeyman and PeregrineV are town, so yay.

I had a game recently where I was 100% sure MM was scum based on how he engaged and the type of content he engaged with, but he ended up flipping town. I'd be okay with lynching him on policy on day 2 or 3 or whatever, but this is mostly pointless right now since his play this game really isn't alignment indicative.

Also, I read PeregrineV by gut. I'm fairly confident I've played enough games with him to be able to read him at this point, so I'm sticking with it.

Just because I'm nreading a slot doesn't mean they're someone I want to keep around for a long time. I'm town reading him because the way he's connecting things feels almost exactly like what made me tunnel him last time I played.

What ended up happening? He ended up passively being lynched D1 and both my hydra partner and me got stuck for the rest of the game, and the lynch ended up solving nothing. Scum got a perfect victory that game. I'm not interested in repeating that shitfest.

So yes, I want him gone eventually, but not D1 since it won't accomplish anything.

Just because I'm nreading a slot doesn't mean they're someone I want to keep around for a long time. I'm town reading him because the way he's connecting things feels almost exactly like what made me tunnel him last time I played.

What ended up happening? He ended up passively being lynched D1 and both my hydra partner and me got stuck for the rest of the game, and the lynch ended up solving nothing. Scum got a perfect victory that game. I'm not interested in repeating that shitfest.

So yes, I want him gone eventually, but not D1 since it won't accomplish anything.

How would it accomplish more if we lynch him on day 2 or 3 instead?

Because there's already concrete info out there to reference from. Lynching someone day 1 who is basically lynchbait is not going to give close to any info since town and scum are both going to jump onto it on day one, but it becomes more relevant info-wise afterwards since there's more concrete leads to go off of. It's better to do it when there's at least

something

to gain from it instead of having a second day one.

Just because I'm nreading a slot doesn't mean they're someone I want to keep around for a long time. I'm town reading him because the way he's connecting things feels almost exactly like what made me tunnel him last time I played.

What ended up happening? He ended up passively being lynched D1 and both my hydra partner and me got stuck for the rest of the game, and the lynch ended up solving nothing. Scum got a perfect victory that game. I'm not interested in repeating that shitfest.

So yes, I want him gone eventually, but not D1 since it won't accomplish anything.

You haven't explained why you want him gone eventually.

Because he's going to be a distraction, and I've never seen distractions end well when left alive for too long.

Considering that's 25% of the playerlist, that doesn't mean very much.

Actually ill iso actual lurkers here in 30 tp show you how u r ovrlooking stuff

Scratch that. it will be at least 2 hours.

[ZZZX]

@scum team here i gift you this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTVXlbMtVbA

[ZZZX]

At least until I get ya caught.

[ZZZX]

Is there anyone in this game who knows how to read me?

This is trying to shift the focus of reading him from play to meta.

I have played over 100 games on site. I don't think I have a game where I wasn't confirmed town and people townread me. Maybe some of my scum games. I'm used to being lynched day 1. I'm used to being lynched in general. Just because you think I'm scummy doesn't mean I'm scum.

There are few people in this who can read me well and that means I'm easily mislynched.

I 2nd this. I have never ever been able to read this guy as anything other than scum. Idk why lol

[ZZZX]

I personally hate every miller claim .

consider a miller claim non existant and decide weither opr not he is scummy

if he even feel a little scummy get rid of him before he causes *

thats how i handle millers

[ZZZX]

do you have a list of all players you suspect of being scum?
Also, there seems to be a fixation on us when i scan your iso and i'm curious why that is in your opinion?

Nero titus anks
and i scanned you first cus we were chatting and it just happened. also i believe i can read you better than most of the game.

[ZZZX]

Holy shit... two days till deadline

all the more reason to kill ZZZX!

That tunneling is driving me insane thou. It sfunny.

[ZZZX]

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

So you know I am town and that I have a green pm but I am scum.??

I was obviously talking about you in Reck's game. Context is a thing but nice try scumbutt.

though I idk, who I want dead more when you flip scum, Dragons or Serra.

Well scum abused the same way of tlaking you did to get me lynched there did they not?

[ZZZX]

You do know that I wasn't in that game right? But I'd buy that, I'm sure that scum did attack you over your lurking and doing nothing but how does that give you a right to try and twist my words and try to make it look like I was calling you town here?

They talk in the same way. disregard everyone i say without trying to read it in the same way.

Also yea. the folks who attacked me without a valid reasons deserve a scum read from me. Its pretty scummy imho

[ZZZX]

Lets say I am doing bullshit (which is what you cans ay I did in recks game) . I was town there wasn't I?

^^^
Here ZZZX is talking about his poor play in Reck's game, with the implied suggestion that I should town read him b/c he is playing poor here.

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

^^^
my response

So you know I am town and that I have a green pm but I am scum.??

Despite us

CLEARLY

talking about Reck's game he attempted to try and twist my words to make it look like I was calling him town here.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE FUCK TOWN WOULD DO THIS?

I already responded to this.

and your response doesnt mean shit. Even if i was not doing anything literally if I am town then you shouldnt lynch me.

if i was the most pro town player in game if i was scum you MUST lynch me.

now the only reason I am scum is because... what? I cant find a good reasoning yet here.

Give me a sentense that has the reason clearly laid out so i can prove to you that you are bad and you should feel bad (and/or you are scum)

[ZZZX]

tell me why I shouldn't want you dead when ZZZX flips scum.

Same question to Serra.

You sound confident dont you?

How about a deal. If I am town you get lynched.?

I can bet my life on that

-ZZZX

[ZZZX]

@Mod VC plz

[ZZZX]

I don't really think titus is scum.

Unless there are two teams, but the game is too small for that.

Who is the scum team you seeing and why do you think they dont work with titus btw? he does looks quite scummy atm..

[ZZZX]

will talk later. kinda busy atm

[ZZZX]

What do you think of my 1173?

I already responded to this.

Well scum abused the same way of tlaking you did to get me lynched there did they not?

They talk in the same way. disregard everyone i say without trying to read it in the same way.

Are you saying that 1186 and 1188 are your responses? If so that's bullshit bro.

if this is all you got to say then i guess Its pointless ot talk to you.
read me however you want. I still believe ur scum anyway
-ZZZX

[ZZZX]

No scum have jumped on the Vezok wagon. I wonder why.

How would you know thou?

[ZZZX]

So why do you feel like he's town?

To be honest, and no offense, ZZZX, i'm having trouble differentiating what he's saying as potentially scummy vs. just saying dumb things

like

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

So you know I am town and that I have a green pm but I am scum.??


nero i thought youa re better than this

is pretty asinine but i don't think it makes him scum

~STD

No offense taken. I hear that abit. But I guess its coming less as I am improving my general english.

[ZZZX]

So ZZZX is ZZZX

After this game is done I will add this quote to my signuture lol. this is actually the 2nd time i saw this one.

[ZZZX]

^ unlike last game I'd vote you this game. Js.

Is it aimed at me and which last game?

anyway i will be trying to find something in this game hm.

[ZZZX]

Anyway I can say the Dragons is leaking so much townyness right now.

[ZZZX]

which last game?

Reck's retrospective

Well I was literally lurking there. I am not here. maybe that has something to do with it?

[ZZZX]

Nero

From zzzx I see a lot of excuses as to why he can't make himself available to follow through on game commitments he's made which he didn't have to make in the first place. When he starts to get more than a littl heat on him, he's also been trying to deflect onto...anybody. The narrative he's provided is very broken and sketchy to say the least. However, I don't see any scummotivation. I don't see any town motivation either. Actually, I see little (you can also read this as no if you like) motivation of any type from him. I kept looking around for a hot poker to gouge my eyes out with while reading through this, and i probably started skimming him in my first readthrough. But, even after detail reading him he's completely null for me.

That said, if it'll get you more focussed in the game I'll give you my support when the time comes. While you've done your share of other scum hunting, you've had a death tunnel on his slot going back to Sorceror Madness. I'd like the Nero I've played with before to come out and play.

Its a sad side effect from my survivalist playstyle.

its like only the people who played ALOT with me can read me (and easily they can do)

anyway @nero isnt your case a really limited uhhh.... case that is not strong at all?

like omgus is not scummy and I (and many others) do it all the time. Scum would go for a more tactical lynch

and no contripution isnt a reason enough for a scum read.

Effort != Town/Scum

yes it can work as a supporting factor however you cant build a case entirely on it.

also is it me or did ank just disappear? must read in details to find his last few posts even after quickly skiming throu last pages

[ZZZX]

Also tammy this is the 2nd time you start asking If I am an alt (first game in MS when you even thought that my entire mafia playing history was a plaj and got my lynched for it... (its where the first quote in my sign is from) yet you are giving the same thing here (as a joke I know)

I just wanted to point that out

[ZZZX]

Scum would go for a more tactical lynch

I don't see why you scum wouldn't possibly not want me dead. There's a fuckton of resistance to your wagon so as soon as I'm dead and not here to tunnel you you will be 80% less likely to get lynched.

yes it can work as a supporting factor however you cant build a case entirely on it.

Except my case isn't all about you lurking and not doing shit all this game. Yes, its a point but its not the whole case.

Entertain me. What else is your case?

also if i wanted you dead I would have killed you phase 1 instead of GIF. what would a gif kill help me in any way f.e?

Like I am pretty sure that if I wanted you dead I would have got you dead long ago. sadly I still believe you just *might* be town... what a shame.

[ZZZX]

Are you guys Masons or Neighbors?

Its neighbors from a neighborhood's pov however we have other reasons to assume masonary

[ZZZX]

Scum would go for a more tactical lynch

I don't see why you scum wouldn't possibly not want me dead. There's a fuckton of resistance to your wagon so as soon as I'm dead and not here to tunnel you you will be 80% less likely to get lynched.

yes it can work as a supporting factor however you cant build a case entirely on it.

Except my case isn't all about you lurking and not doing shit all this game. Yes, its a point but its not the whole case.

false. scum will most likely try to hunt me at lylo etc if i survived that far (look reck's game)

[ZZZX]

like omgus is not scummy and I (and many others) do it all the time. Scum would go for a more tactical lynch

and no contripution isnt a reason enough for a scum read.

Effort != Town/Scum

yes it can work as a supporting factor however you cant build a case entirely on it.

OMGUS and Lurking are both scummy. OMGUS is the exact opposite of scumhunting, while lurking is just plain being lazy.

If you're not going to contribute to a game you shouldn't sign up and shouldn't be surprised when you are lynched.

I am not contributing to the game? really?

well i see that you contributed by reapeating that omgus is scummy.

I will contribute by the exact equal by saying it is not scummy

and no matter what you do I will believe in my opinion here.

[ZZZX]

If you're not going to contribute to a game you shouldn't sign up and shouldn't be surprised when you are lynched.

this signals you know that it is not a thing that i should be scum read for and general point that out and still vote me. its funny
VOTE: monkey not omgus but if u want to consider it as one then so be it.

[ZZZX]

The cog dis necessary for ZZZX to point out that nero probably can't read him, but still OMGUS him would be astounding.

nero is supposed to read me but he isnt reading me for hell here for some reason.

[ZZZX]

anyway i dont like how ark disappeared as soon as any pressure went from him. would vote him or monkey.

I honestly am starting to town read nero for being so f***ing stubborn.

[ZZZX]

like omgus is not scummy and I (and many others) do it all the time. Scum would go for a more tactical lynch

and no contripution isnt a reason enough for a scum read.

Effort != Town/Scum

yes it can work as a supporting factor however you cant build a case entirely on it.

OMGUS and Lurking are both scummy. OMGUS is the exact opposite of scumhunting, while lurking is just plain being lazy.

If you're not going to contribute to a game you shouldn't sign up and shouldn't be surprised when you are lynched.

Like damn no matter how rusty my scumdar has become this is piniging it hard.

You have just come to post 2 words (which have been said by nero and are still not a reason well enough to vote someone) and laid a vote.

thats exactly how scum would act. silenctly follow whatever wagon is not risky

[ZZZX]

I'd also be interested in discussing setup-related stuff at some point, preferably today or tomorrow.

Its too early to discuss any setup related info. Town can gain nothing since we only know a mere 2 roles right now. setup discussions should not happen at this stage

[ZZZX]

What???

[ZZZX]

anyway i dont like how ark disappeared as soon as any pressure went from him.

This is a really interesting statement. Does it coincide with my actions in all of D1?

may you explain what you mean by this question?

[ZZZX]

Skimmed, get to actual game stuff tonight when I get home, but

Zzzx - when did I ask if you were an alt in this game?

A lady would have been amused if a man spoke in the third person the whole game as a lady's home site is westeros.

I am pretty sure it was shown as a joke somewhere here. let me read a little bit more

[ZZZX]

An avarage of a post every 10 posts d1 vs... a few posts now?

[ZZZX]

Are you guys Masons or Neighbors?

Its neighbors from a neighborhood's pov however we have other reasons to assume masonary

I thougt it was action Dan and Nero. What do you have to do with it?

Wasnt he talking to me there?

[ZZZX]

Let me do a mini read list (even if my reads are limited)

More Scum:
6. MonkeyMan576
10. Ankamius
Null and void line ------------------------
9. d3x
8. Narninian
1. BBMolla
2. Jaqen Hghar
3. ActionDan BEASTCHARIZARD***
4. displaced
13. Muffin
15. serrapaladin NATRISHA**
7. Varsoon
19. Tammy
Null and void line ------------------------
17. Nero Cain
14. vezokpiraka
18. Fluminator
5. Here There Be Dragons (Save The Dragons and Cephrir)
11. ZZZX
More Town:

closer to top /bot in the null section = leaning scum/town
people above/below the line (non null) are actual reads atm that i believe in. (AKA strong reads)

[ZZZX]

A man finds interesting that the Targaryen girl would find scummy one who stands by their convictions givin the same girl for the first week of the first day stood by her own convictions and ultimately found herself back to the same place she began by day close. Very interesting indeed. Why must needs a man give full analysis on every player he finds scummy at once when he has already done so for his number one scum read? A man thinks scum is trying to play a game where they offer an alternative path based off a man's other reads. A man is having none of that!

A man would like to discuss his evidence with a lady point by point Sunday. A man doesn't think he's misguided, and if he is would like to know where he went amiss.

A Man who speaks english is a good man.

[ZZZX]

A man speaks only English. Which of those words does an oaf take for anything but?

just as the dawn comes

your words and my eyes... together will never come.

[ZZZX]

Prodge overslept

[ZZZX]

Prodge overslept

Dude. Either play or replace out.

I can't crystallize my reads. I'm wavering on some and don't have really strong reads either way.

We need to get a scum lynch.

... How is that my fault?

I know who i need to lynch. I am playing fine and contributing to this game.

Just because I took a 10 minutes nap in hours instead does not make me unable to do anything.

Also its my policy never to replace out unless I cant play the game. thats just how it is.

[ZZZX]

A lot to take in. I still think Ank is a strong possibility for scum.
I'm giving Vezok the day off, but I still think he's suspicious.
Narninian is high on my list right now.
D3x is suspicious.
Displaced is more null right now.

Things I plan to do next:
Read the walls between jaqen and dragons. *shudder*
Look at Nero's case on zzzx

I want to hear what you think about monkey. I am feeling you have been ignoring him way too much. it feel unnatural.

[ZZZX]

I don't have a read on MonkeyMan right now.

Ok. Read him after u finish reading me I guess?

[ZZZX]

vezok

Did you use the Throw Anything deal or did you just send STD a package in the mail and wanted to make sure it was received? A man thinks that with Dragons having you listed as town is a direct result of your action, though others have said otherwise.

What the fuck is wrong with you and your fishing?

Maybe I sent him a message that is mod-confirmed and says I'm town and gives the alignment of another target. Maybe I gave him some sort of magical power that makes him bulletproof.

Seriously. It's not your business and you should stop asking.

This. Jaqen I dont get why would you care to know as town?

[ZZZX]

Feeling pretty good about this.

VOTE: Jaqen

weither this makes me feel good or not (pro tip: IT DOES) I dont think jagen is our best lynch today tbh

vote monkey, catch a scum.

[ZZZX]

Why not? Scum lurking it out and not doing anything has become pretty common and in general town are pretty suspicious of lurkers so what, you know that your team isn't lurking?

first of all allow me to

1518

so i can read it now

now 2ndly I can actually easily lurk this out with recent ending games where I had to lurk as an example

will read this and reply later

[ZZZX]

I wouldn't call it resistance when there isn't really a case. Maybe I'm missing something. I'll look through the quotes you post.

A "case" is really just reasons for. So you think I have no reasons for suspecting ZZZX? Why are you not calling for my head if I'm just pushing ZZZX out of thin air?


lets just ignore the fact that he hasn't done ANYTHING yet. I mean, he's ISOed the Dragons slot and given a read on them but there are (or were rather) 17 other slots that he didn't comment on. So he hasn't done anything but lets just ignore that part.

what do you think about the case/wagon on Titus?

I think titus deserves wagoning but something feels off. I will try to find out why i feel uneasy about it as I continue reading now.

Here is an extremely fencesitty stance on Titus.

His intentions feel summy.

So he gives a pretty vague response here. And then blows the fuck up about it and uses the "no u" defense and says that I'm the one doing the active lurking by asking him a legit question about why he finds Titus scummy. I mean it just seems like such an unwarranted response.

Moving on

Despite the fact that he's arguing that OMGUS isn't scummy...it is and scum do do it. This is, infact, the same argument that AP used in Harry Potter. Does AP being scum in Harry Potter make ZZZX scum here? no, they are obviously different players (unless ZZZX is an AP alt...) but I do think there's scum motivation to argue that OMGUS isn't scummy. Myself, as town, OMGUS' alot. Its one thing to think that your attacker is coming at you with all sorts of bullshit but I really don't see why he as town would go "ok I've done nothing this game but give a read on one slot, Nero suspects me for not doing anything." and feel like its bullshit. I mean is he really THAT unaware? Just an irrational Vi? I feel like this is an overreaction and that IS scummy.

This and this are still relevant. As well as this

Show me your ZZX case Dragon.

I already answered that and we got back to the same thing. uhh

I got 2 things. fency stance (is this a thing?) on titus (meh) / my no contripution and.... what?

Omgus?

Well OMGUS is not scummy

guess you didnt have a case after all eh..

[ZZZX]

So, I want a Vezok lynch today for a few reasons.
1: He's done a lot of scummy things.
2: He's done nothing to make me think he's town.
3: It's so freaking hard to get a wagon on him.
Please everyone read his ISO.
In the beginning he has STD as scum and Titus and Peregrine as town.
He votes Ank. (This is what threw me off him for awhile, because I think Ank is scum.)
He defends Titus some more.
He tells people to stop talking about miller claims and then proceeds to talk about the miller claim for awhile. (Which means he wasn't very genuine and probably just trying to look busy.)
Changes to ZZZX for lurking, despite ZZZX not lurking.
Literally within a one post span of his ISO he changes from town-reading Titus to wanting to lynch Titus.

I don't really think titus is scum.

Unless there are two teams, but the game is too small for that.

@ZZZX: I don't have a scum team in mind, but every other scum team I think about doesn't include titus.

I think she's town, but I'm less than 70% sure.

We need a lynch today guys.

unvote
vote titus

It also isn't just a compromise lynch. When Titus claimed, Vezok says:

I think that claim is fake.

And that was just yesterday.

I would agree with you if I didn't know vezok so I really don't know

Vezok is really hard to read imho

[ZZZX]

Decent case.

Vote: Vezok

Weren't you 100% sure of me being scum ?

Are you jumping on any oppuratnity for a vote here.. /./

[ZZZX]

Can you at least vote Vezok before you go off to play in more "relevant" games? He was one of your scum reads, wasn't he?

May i ask something

i have noticed you have a few reads (scum reads) and you have indicated that they are all of a relatively same level.

but it seems you have a more in depth focus on vezok. care to elaborate?

[ZZZX]

Nero the only thing you have said is that my answers are vague and twisting

But thats even more vague than my answer . which part of my answer are you not getting?

Also I said there is no use after you ask the same thing 5 times and just disregard whatever I said...

5 times

[ZZZX]

Only scum game i can think off out of my head is organic chemistry. I rolled scum ~9 times thou with 3 in newbies if that counts I guess?

[ZZZX]

Monkey and ank make me want to lynch them both more

[ZZZX]

VOTE: d3x

also willing to do monkeyman and maybe vezok

obligatory jaqen is scum and you'll rue the day you let him walk free

~STD

Join the monkey wagon, Catch a scum.

his gameplay here is getting weirder. It has no sign at town intent what so ever.

[ZZZX]

town

Nero Cain
Narninian
serrapaladin
d3x
Ankamius
Muffin
vezokpiraka
Fluminator
Jaqen Hghar
Here There Be Dragons
MonkeyMan576
displaced
Tammy
Varsoon
Albert B. Rampage
ZZZX

scum

I have a few issues here I want to ask you about:

why is d3 a high town read for you? I really find he has done nothing to show him as "strong town" as he is null-town at BEST.
also serra is scummy imho. I really dont get how shes that high.
last thing is... how can town dragons be put just above super-scum-monkey?

(This post requires you to explain reason for those reads and is by no means attacking your reads. Just saying this now so you dont reply about some random * about it. Just explain them. -Z)

[ZZZX]

why is d3 a high town read for you? I really find he has done nothing to show him as "strong town" as he is null-town at BEST.
also serra is scummy imho. I really dont get how shes that high.

What specifically should I be worried about with dx? use quotes or links. TBQH, I've been reading along but I haven't really got this "OMG DX SO SCUMMY!" So what is he so scummy for? Also if you think he's null-

TOWN

I don't really see why you are so up in arms.

I thought Serra was p scummy to, I just have a light town read there 'cause his play reminds me of the game we played together *shrugz*

not gonna talk about Dragons yet.


Not a real big fan of Tammy's attitude towards me but Titus did the same thing so eh...What exactly do you not like about my case on ZZZX?

you see he didnt stand out as either town/scum. and setting him as strong town just feels too... unreal considering that your "strongest" reads are people who have posted enough/stood out/ you know thier playstyle and are sure of it. kind of thing.

[ZZZX]

and my question was to know your reads explination. I am not attacking your reads and more of asking for reasoning.

[ZZZX]

My big hang up with ZZZX is how how he attempted to twist my words and try to make it look like I was calling him town here.

Are you fully caught up here, Tammy?

Can you be kind enough to tell me where I done it because I cant remeber twisting anything (or you reading me as town)

[ZZZX]

good job on convincing Ceph that you are too dumb to be scum!

Are you going to answer my questions?

and I am NOT scum for fks sake man

[ZZZX]

you are too insanely conf-baising here

[ZZZX]

Oh god, I'm on a wagon with ZZZX and Vezok?

UNVOTE: MonkeyMan576
VOTE: Vezokpiraka

-.- how does being in a wagon someone change ur thoughts about whoever ur voting for?
if i wasnt so wanting to lynch scum monkey i would vote you right now..

[ZZZX]

Lets say I am doing bullshit (which is what you cans ay I did in recks game) . I was town there wasn't I?

^^^
Here ZZZX is talking about his poor play in Reck's game, with the implied suggestion that I should town read him b/c he is playing poor here.

no. It takes alot more to be town than just having a green pm. If you lurked it up and didn't help town then you were just unofficial scum.

^^^
my response

So you know I am town and that I have a green pm but I am scum.??

Despite us

CLEARLY

talking about Reck's game he attempted to try and twist my words to make it look like I was calling him town here.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE FUCK TOWN WOULD DO THIS?

I am pretty sure thats how i understood ur post at first 1k posts ago

[ZZZX]

his role is confirm-able.

If we could all agree to never utter this phrase again that would be great. Also, why is vezok town as shit? I really want to know because I'm uncertain about this lynch.

-Ceph

Didnt I read in the setup that roles are regardless of allignment i think?

[ZZZX]

his role is confirm-able.

If we could all agree to never utter this phrase again that would be great. Also, why is vezok town as shit? I really want to know because I'm uncertain about this lynch.

-Ceph

Didnt I read in the setup that roles are regardless of allignment i think?

yup - although something like miller wouldn't make sense if this was true for every role.

that would prob be true. unless i assume there is one role that was that accurate thematically? honestly I am not sure

[ZZZX]

Also ZZZX has faded into the background as I took to the stage.
I have not forgotten him and will not tolerate it.

ZZZX's corpse... coming to a day phase near you?

ZZZX was busy, ZZZX need some time

oh and I will be free of all stuff soon except from 14-21 april

[ZZZX]

If you are so busy (and you still haven't been giving any content) why are you signing up for other games?

can you give a reads list?

Because ZZZX enjoys not playing the game. That's the game for him.

thats in accurate. I am waiting for something to happen. Aka i dont have anything to comment on.

you want a read list.? Fine ill try to get you one soon,

[ZZZX]

If you are so busy (and you still haven't been giving any content) why are you signing up for other games?

can you give a reads list?

was - past tense.

[ZZZX]

also its not like i have spent the last 2 weeks giving no contents at all. have i?

[ZZZX]

More Scum: v
6. MonkeyMan576
10. Ankamius
Scummyish--------------------------- v
2. Jaqen Hghar
9. d3x
Null and void line ------------------------ v
15. serrapaladin
8. Narninian
3. ActionDan
1. ABR
4. displaced
13. Muffin
7. Varsoon
Null and void line ------------------------^
17. Nero Cain
19. Tammy
Less town-----------------------------^
14. vezokpiraka
18. Fluminator
5. Here There Be Dragons (Save The Dragons and Cephrir)
11. ZZZX
More Town^
Readlist v2

pedit: No idea yet about ABR as it just started recently to seem to pick up and ill need to read that. and about pushing. ill give you a few posts

Have i not pushed monkey / ank?

and the only thing i got was the ignoring of my posts and/or possibly people not even reading them

ABR is null atm while his slot felt null-town to me before.
I will need to read further

[ZZZX]

you are pushing a monkey wagon I guess.

I guess this answers part of your own question

This is such a town slip m8... lolz

[ZZZX]

he is, apparently, not paying that much attention.

Is there any "great" reason i missed for town reading him hard? because he never stood out when i read his posts

hense the "null"ish

while dragons honestly sounds so town to me I can say nothing against it.

[ZZZX]

sounds town=//=green pm. Though admittedly it could just be my contempt for all things Cephir which is making my worry a little bit there.

Also Narn used the "throw anything" feat so either him and Dragon are scum together or he's town.

Ah. Mkay my bad then

[ZZZX]

Wait dude

from the main game:

- Being the hammer vote on any lynch
- Surviving to pre-determined points of the game.
- Additionally the mafia will increase in power the more their numbers dwindle.

he wasnt a hammer

surviving is global (and i didnt get no level and noone else did)

soo.... ???

how did u level up narn?

[ZZZX]

This actually is weird. Dont you think so?

[ZZZX]

ignore this i am stubid

[ZZZX]

so you got a feat at level 1?

[ZZZX]

ignore this i am stubid

ignore the ignoration of this

[ZZZX]

so you got a feat at level 1?

i still want to know this.

[ZZZX]

oh and also if someone else happens to get a "throw" this can be interesting huh

[ZZZX]

I'll be more aggressive tommorow but I am ok with this lynch, and I don't want to give scum too much more info to help them with their kill decision

answer my damn question

[ZZZX]

Zzzx l. Muffin is not in game. You arw stuck with me. Read on me?

And saying theres nothing to evaluate is simply untrue.

I am going to submit a kill on you each night until you die.

Go ahead, be my guest

As town I dont have nothing to fear do I?

2- Muffin slot read didnt change. nothing you did changed anything i think at all. I copied names frm my prev read list basically

[ZZZX]

yes, I got a feat at level 1...

alright

[ZZZX]

I'll be more aggressive tommorow but I am ok with this lynch, and I don't want to give scum too much more info to help them with their kill decision

answer my damn question

I honestly don't really understand the great need for this though.. do you think dragons and I are scum partners pulling a stupid/obvious gambit early for no particular reason?

you see a "stubid/obvious gambit" has already won me/others a few games already. witht he fact that its "stubid" as the reason it worked.

[ZZZX]

I might have to nom ZZZX for a "stubid" title.

unless you added something outragous i would refuse it anyway.

but what i said about those gambit actually won me a game by just bypassing every discussion about it that way. until it got to lylo where i made stuff happen.

[ZZZX]

Narn sent the throw anything feat to his scumbuddy-this is possible

that was basically my question about this possiblity. if he sliped and said something about leveling up i would have lynched the hell outta him.

[ZZZX]

Nero Cain
Narninian
Tammy
serrapaladin
d3x
Ankamius
Muffin
vezokpiraka
Fluminator
----------------------------
Jaqen Hghar
MonkeyMan576
displaced
Varsoon
ZZZX

South of the line=acceptable lynches for today.

vote:ZZZX

After all this and so many things happening you are still sticking to that pointless read of yours on me that had no base... and never had infact?

ugh you are being way too arogent even for town man. Time to fking wake up and look around if you are town or stop pissing me off and pushing me to actually scum read you if you were scum. -.-

[ZZZX]

so can we go back to lynching monkey please?
VOTE: monkey

[ZZZX]

Nero Cain
Narninian
Tammy
serrapaladin
d3x
Ankamius
Muffin
vezokpiraka
Fluminator
----------------------------
Jaqen Hghar
MonkeyMan576
displaced
Varsoon
ZZZX

South of the line=acceptable lynches for today.

vote:ZZZX

After all this and so many things happening you are still sticking to that pointless read of yours on me that had no base... and never had infact?

ugh you are being way too arogent even for town man. Time to fking wake up and look around if you are town or stop pissing me off and pushing me to actually scum read you if you were scum. -.-

Yeah. This kinda needs to go now.

vote zzzx

And this is supposed to mean... what?

[ZZZX]

You are doing nothing all day, except when someone votes you.

This is not town play. over-defensiveness and uselessness aren't town.

3 things:

1- Isnt overdefensiveness my style... since forever? you have played over 7 games with me you should know by now

2- Uselessness? I gave my reads. Am voting my scum reads and I am waiting. I am waiting for the right moment for everything

3- This kind of reading isnt like town you either. Town you would be screaming all ove rthe place trying to get something done. Being so calm and so... trying to be logical (while ur not here) is something i didnt see from town you

your placement in my reads droped down a bit from this post

[ZZZX]

also i didnt do anything until i got voted since the day -JUST- started you know?

[ZZZX]

This is terrible because ZZZX isn't even developing the read based on his own thoughts.

it was I who started (or tried starting) the wagon on monkey

and it was I who said all those things before

all I did here is to quote a post. Is that a problem?

[ZZZX]

^ @and still interested in your take about this.

Considering how all what was said is based on my posts a thousand posts ago

[ZZZX]

Also if I am a "useless town" then there is no reason what-so-ever to lynch me. Am I missing anything? I am not interfering with the town players. I am not actually useless but lets say I am. What good does the town gain from a town lynch?

[ZZZX]

@NERO did you actually read the scum games you requested to find out its totally differant than here (read: This is a town game) or did u just ask for them so it can look like you care?

[ZZZX]

[quote="In post 2259, ZZZX"]More Scum: v
6. MonkeyMan576
10. Ankamius
13. Andarias

Grats you have evolved from null to scummyish i guess?

P-edit: last post made you into the scum part. grats

Scummyish--------------------------- v
2. Jaqen Hghar
9. d3x
Null and void line ------------------------ v
15. serrapaladin
3. ActionDan

1. ABR

Null read flips scum. hm okey

4. displaced
7. Varsoon
17. Nero Cain

From towny into null. You are starting to look creepingly scummy. Using too dumb/arogent to be scum here is not the good idea i guess

Null and void line ------------------------^
19. Tammy
14. vezokpiraka

From really town to less town. just a gut read+ reasons i said b4

Less town-----------------------------^
18. Fluminator
8. Narninian

I have reasons to believe he was saying the truth about the level 1 thing which makes him and dragon prob both town.

5. Here There Be Dragons (Save The Dragons and Cephrir)

RIP Dragons :/

11. ZZZX
More Town^
Readlist v3

p-edit: so you are saying that we lynch useless people since they are not helping (considering i am useless which I am not.) this logic is flawed on so many levels:

1- lynching town who are not interfering with town hunt if u know they are town is a bad thing. PERIOD
2- less town = more scum majority. self explained
3- How do you know someone is useless? if thier reads do not make sense to you doesnt mean they are wrong
4- this is the scummiest post i saw this game after monkey's keep up the good work. you are becoming even more scummy in my eyes

[ZZZX]

ignore the quote word which is the last read set which i copied

[ZZZX]

If you say that ABR replaced out because his buddies included ZZZX I would be inclined to believe you.

fun fact: I am actually a decent scum player. a really decent one.

[ZZZX]

I Don't know... monkeyman seemed to be unapologetically/boldly defending ABR. I'm having trouble imagining him doing that as his partner unless he thought he'd have a great chance of being successful.

I didnt see ABR getting lynched until near the end of the day. I believe that scum can hard defend sometimes. I know I did it a few times.

[ZZZX]

fter all this and so many things happening

What specific events transpired that should make me town read you?

I did skim organic chem. I felt you were more active there but whats to say that you aren't scum here and you were just legit busy at the start of this game?

more active ? thats the only thing you got from it? gush lol

try to look for the scum pt it might help you

also list of events might be hard to do right now but lets put it as. proving every point against me is a generic null-tell that was invalid as a scum tell and arrival or many other people who are scummier & connecting people with ARB wagon?

[ZZZX]

lol no. You spent fucking ages dodging the fuck from even responding to the fact that you were tried to make it look like I was calling you town. I don't care what Titus and Cephir said about it, I think dodging questions is pretty scummy.

SHOW ME WHAT THE FUCK I FUCKING DODGED. I HAVE POSTED COUNTLESS TIMES PROVING I DIDNT DODGE. YOU CONSIDER THAT THE FACT I MISUNDERSTOOD ONE POST OF YOURS AS A FUCKING HUGE FUCKING DEAL WHILE ITS NOTHING.

Phewww Now I feel better.

also all ym scum reads are voting me (except monkey props to him)

[ZZZX]

I've been scumreading ZZZX for a while now.

You havent even sadi anything about me except u dont mind lynching me in the last 1500 posts

[ZZZX]

You are arguing that you are a hot steamy mislynch, why is it so hard to get a wagon on you?

Well its not hard. its just that scum and idiots are trying to get a wagon on me(look at the recent 5 votes)

and for the 2nd question read my list. half of the people scummy there didnt start a wagon on me . and those who did like did it recently like now

[ZZZX]

I'm not scum. I became a scum read once I attacked you.

Andy is prob not sum. He become a scum read when he attacked you.

Ank is prob not scum. He become a scum read when he attacked you.

Why do you think that scum are attacking you and not the ones defending you?

you have been attacking me since the third page. I town read you for it. but it has gone for too long to be logical. confbais DOES run out



Ank was ALWAYS a top scum read of mine.

Andy was null

[ZZZX]

ill give u a game name that looks like this one perfectly
with scum hard pushing me and town sleeping like ****

and i got lynched cus town was stubid

in dead thread scum talked to me and were like "i have no idea how we lynched you bro"

[ZZZX]

you have been attacking me since the third page

you weren't even here at page 3....

the fact is you scum read me since the moment i entered the game. be it 3rd 5th or 10th page.

3rd page was a kind of a general word here. doesnt change u scum read me since forever

[ZZZX]

Quote fail...

confbais DOES run out



Ank was ALWAYS a top scum read of mine.

Andy was null

Was I wrong?

[ZZZX]

BONUS STUFF:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=55485

read this game when i was lynched cus people were too dumb to stop and think.

reasons? useless comes to mind

not stating to a reason (ex. ank) comes to mind too

and the person who done it was scum

in fact 3 out 4 people who went to push for my lynch were scum there

[ZZZX]

A man always thinks professing one thing and projecting the opposite is wrong.

I believe what I said was right anyway. Saying facts cant be scummy/towny. It is just stating facts

[ZZZX]

you have been attacking me since the third page

you weren't even here at page 3....

the fact is you scum read me since the moment i entered the game. be it 3rd 5th or 10th page.

3rd page was a kind of a general word here. doesnt change u scum read me since forever

So what? Me scum reading you for a really long time doesn't necessarily make me wrong.

Are you are suggesting that if you were scum I'd be dead and my lack of nightkill suggests that you are town?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=3100
^^^
there I got all 4 scum lynched and was never shot.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=46097
^^^
here I was scum reading Venmar (who eventually got lynched) and utrod but was never shot.

Also that Harry Potter game I was talking about. Was scum reading AP slot the whole game and never got shot.

I'm kinda the Rodney Dangerfield of mafia, I'm a p damn good hunter but still get no respect.

I never said i would shoot you. I just said you are plainly wrong.

And arrogent

look at those games and check the cases and compare them to your here. see the differance?

[ZZZX]

And no omgus doesnt make someone scum i do it all the fucking time.

[ZZZX]

ALSO SCUM READ ME ALL WHAT YOU WANT. MY READ LIST IS THERE TO STAY

[ZZZX]

Its null, it comes from scum too. Its not the towntell you claim it is.

I never said its a town tell

I am saying that you scum read me for it.

[ZZZX]

I find you scummy for two reasons (other than that OMGUS). First you've done shit all this game. Second

so

1- I have done nothing - null tell

2- OMGUS - null

3rd- no idea tbh

[ZZZX]

Am i freaking missing anything else?

my stance? my posts?

all of those are plainly null tells.

p-edit: I dont have a single place to focus on. also it just happens that suspicion goes to me when my time is there. most of the game runs when i am sleeping (aka after mid night)

ill go sleep soon since its mid night now anyway

[ZZZX]

also i admit it. I am a survivalist. I get engaged better when someone is trying t get me lynched because i dont have many thoughts about most posts here because they are null. however when i get attacked i know the allignment of one side which helps me make judgement.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, when you are town, what is your approach to the game?

What do you mean by approach?

[ZZZX]

If you mean playstyle then its mainly being a survivalist and trying to crack a setup or just wait until lylo/near lylo and control the game onwards to victory (if town listens)

[ZZZX]

Why is it that you only become active when you are under suspicion but then go back to lurking when the heat dies down?

read the game i just linked. i got lynched for the same reasons u scum read me for.

I flipped town.

[ZZZX]

that's what I thought.

crap. I might be misreading this guy. shit.

IMO, being a survivalist as town is shit play. Scum are the ones that need to try to survive. Its towns job to hunt. My quagmire is that I don't want this guy near lylo.

ZZZX, redeem yourself by joining me on the varsoon wagon.

vote:Varsoon

I know its shitplay mostly. But usually (if not always) i have a plan to causes me to do it.

also let me check something first about him

[ZZZX]

Yup as i thought...

Varsoon havent even mentioned albert once.

VOTE: Varsoon for now

also nice one @flum p-edit/

[ZZZX]

I know its shitplay mostly.

Truth lives.

My quagmire is that I don't want this guy near lylo.

I can help you solve this problem.

predit: YEESSS RHYME

so you still scum read me?

[ZZZX]

IMO, being a survivalist as town is shit play. Scum are the ones that need to try to survive. Its towns job to hunt. My quagmire is that I don't want this guy near lylo.

it just so happens that I am best at lylo most of hte time while i suck early on. its kind of a curse. (which is why i mostly play micros) but i started themes to get used to it a while ago..

I can manage good a sscum but still have trouble reading well as town

[ZZZX]

You will not live to see LyLo.

We will see about that I wouldnt have stayed with my playstyle if it wasnt somewhat goddamn working to win me games you know

[ZZZX]

The only way for me not to reach lylo is to get kill by scum. or get lynched by scum.

[ZZZX]

The only way for me not to reach lylo is to get kill by scum. or get lynched by scum.

Not all those who wear capes are afraid to kill.

i dont believe scum would kill me unless i was right

and if i die it will be clear who shalt die

Thus its a win-win situation

[ZZZX]

so you still scum read me?

maybe, kinda. Like in that OC game some of the stuff you are saying here are things that you said there. I kinda feel like your "town" game is so bad its not hard to mimic as scum and vice versa. I'm also going to always have a little doubt n the back of my mind that I might have been right on you so I'm going to take a similar approach on you as I do to scummy players; there's only like 3 or 4 scum left so we can look for them elsewhere and come back to you later if need be.

Well it is true my town/scum games are similiar but there exists a few personels who are perfectly cabaple of knowing the differance no matter what i did. So i guess even there I am not doing it perfectly

also alot of it stands on the fact that i am scum read for the fact that I am not the best at big game's start so i guess that counts

[ZZZX]

You're overlooking something in your pride

A vig shooting me is anti town. Done.

Am i missing something? vigging a town player who isnt doing something worthy of a PL is not okey

being useless is not worthy of a PL anyway

[ZZZX]

my death wont really help the town in lylo at all. how the hell will it help to have one less player. thus a higher scum percentage?

pedit: whats teh fucking differance?

[ZZZX]

KILLING/LYNCHING TOWN IS BAD

get on with it.

[ZZZX]

zzzz if you have chosen this play style and you know it's scummy then you should probably stop defending yourself and going wa wa wa town wants to vig me when you're making the deliberate choice to play in an extremely scummy and anti-town way.

so you are saying that i must let them vig me.? that would be playing against my win condition as town..

also it appears scummy but it wins games for town in the end. I play for that moment. that moment of satisfaction when the plan comes together.

@and this is a fucking mafia game. If you think lynching a town who doesnt feel useful is good then you must revise you knowledge. also I am not useless for the fucking last time. Yes I am waiting for something that you dont know. wont know. and prob wont be able to understand.

I know things you dont know. I am waiting to make use of my knowledge.

[ZZZX]

@and = at andruis

also your logic is twisted. you are beatifying a PL on someone unworthy of getting PL'd that called being anti town.

[ZZZX]

@tammy at least I am not actively trying to lynch/vig town.

[ZZZX]

If anyone would prefer you live another day let them speak.

I believe it frankly doesnt matter what others think at this point.

there is something called a town win condition in our PMs (did you read it? wait thats only for town)

lynching a town player for no reason is playing against your win condition. there is no want here.

Its a fucking fact.

You are not wrong, you are not right either.

You are just scum.

also on another note: Anyone who is badly adebt at mafia who can say that lynching town/vigging town when they dont deserve to get PL'd is fine. speak up so I know who you are.

[ZZZX]

so you are saying that i must let them vig me.? that would be playing against my win condition as town..

Sometimes lives must be laid down for the greater good.
Nacho knows this. Varsoon knows this. Nacho and I laid down our lives in Xenogears to guarantee a town-win. Stop focusing on yourself - the town wins and loses as a whole, even if some of its parts are lost.

Your play is horrendously self-centered and does not befit someone aligned with the town.

I will see myself out at Tammy's request.

how is my lynch beneifing town? I would sacrafice my self for town as I have done countless times. But I will NEVER DIE IN VAIN

THats why i never minded getting NK'd

I dont mind scum focusing on me so they can die later.

however I never will allow my death to be a simple *you are useless die*

[ZZZX]

zzzz if you have chosen this play style and you know it's scummy then you should probably stop defending yourself and going wa wa wa town wants to vig me when you're making the deliberate choice to play in an extremely scummy and anti-town way.

so you are saying that i must let them vig me.? that would be playing against my win condition as town..

also it appears scummy but it wins games for town in the end. I play for that moment. that moment of satisfaction when the plan comes together.

@and this is a fucking mafia game. If you think lynching a town who doesnt feel useful is good then you must revise you knowledge. also I am not useless for the fucking last time. Yes I am waiting for something that you dont know. wont know. and prob wont be able to understand.

I know things you dont know. I am waiting to make use of my knowledge.

Then stop whining. I just want you to stop whining. If you know, which you obviously do, that your play style is scummy as all get out, then you can't complain when people scum read you for being scummy.

If you don't want to be lynched/vigged start acting like town and stop acting scummy because you have the very very incorrect notion that you somehow can win this game all on your own. I can guarantee you that you acting scummy does not win games for town, but I also know young bravado enough to know that this is something you won't recognize for many years.

I just want you to stop whining and play the game.

No i will not stop. I am not whining. I am showing arguments why I am right.

My play style is NOT scummy

it LOOKS scummy

I am here to show people the differance. for there are people who already know what that is.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX SHUT UP!

Really? ignoring all my posts like this when u just go like *oh he is town. just kill him off*

ugh..

[ZZZX]

I will just fucking sleep already. its 1:10 AM..