Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Dead Thread

[ika]

its a vt claim

its not really all that safe nor does it do anything as he says

[MonkeyMan576]

It is Benjamin sisko. They choose the power.

[LicketyQuickety]

It is Benjamin sisko. They choose the power.

How does that work with the oracle since Per already knows what all the roles are? I thought of this when I say sinsuns post about saying that Scum is forced to claim VT.

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't know what questions the Oracle would ask when I designed the game. But the last scum could reasonably claim Ben Sisko, VT, since Dr. Bashir, another main character is vanilla. This could make things a little more difficult for town.

[LicketyQuickety]

I didn't know what questions the Oracle would ask when I designed the game. But the last scum could reasonably claim Ben Sisko, VT, since Dr. Bashir, another main character is vanilla. This could make things a little more difficult for town.

Ah, Ok that makes more sense. I was thinking that the Oracle had a predetermined set of questions they could ask. Hard to imagine (now) that they would ask anything else besides what the roles in the game are. I guess if I was oracle and could ask any question I would have asked "who are the scum team?" which would basically allow me to ask any other question I wanted to help town. I could even then suicide and once town saw my role they would know I was telling the truth. *shrug*

[MonkeyMan576]

You can't ask questions about the post-randomization setup(such as who is scum or town)

[LicketyQuickety]

You can't ask questions about the post-randomization setup(such as who is scum or town)

Well then that makes even more sense. I'd say almost all the roles that were in this game I had never even herd of before playing in this game. So I take it I couldn't ask who was teamed then?

[MonkeyMan576]

You could ask what roles were on the same team, but not players.

[LicketyQuickety]

Funny story, I was in a game were I drew the craziest role I had ever seen. It was a 3p unkillable role. I also had a really non-traditional win can as well but that's not the point. the point is I claimed that I was a tree stump that got a pre-game alignment investigation on someone and I said a random person was scum and they got lynched because of it. I would have never have known the treestump thing was a thing unless Kling claimed it. That game is over now so that is why I can talk about it. It was off site.

[Titus]

Really, Oracle + Neighbor? Wtf. Giving scum no fake claims. Seriously mods lately hate scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Really, Oracle + Neighbor? Wtf. Giving scum no fake claims. Seriously mods lately hate scum.

I don't remember it being confirmed in this thread that PereV has neighborizer. also Scum do have a safe claim.

[MonkeyMan576]

Trying to outguess the mod is generally not the best way to win mafia games.

I think the scum team still has a few tricks up their sleeves.

[Titus]

LQ, no they don't. CCing town is not a safe claim.

[MonkeyMan576]

How do you know what scum has Titus? You're town, remember?

[Titus]

PereV said what scum had.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah, but he didn't ask if scum had fakeclaims.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah, but he didn't ask if scum had fakeclaims.

I just assumed a while ago that the fake claim pops up as a town role. Would kinda like you to confirm or deny this at this point.

[MonkeyMan576]

No, they wouldn't. Because I would have know way of knowing which scum would use the fake claim until they use it.

[MonkeyMan576]

At any rate, the game is going to go town to at least the final five players, and possibly the final three, so I don't think there's any way you can argue that it isn't balanced.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can you explain how it works then? I'm not familiar with "safe claims" in games. In the games I usually play scum can pretty much claim whatever they want.

[LicketyQuickety]

At any rate, the game is going to go town to at least the final five players,

and possibly the final three,

so I don't think there's any way you can argue that it isn't balanced.

In bold. I don't get it.

[MonkeyMan576]

In can work in different ways, but in this game, the scum have their normal roles, but they are given one "safe claim", a claim that would normally be considered town, which is Benjamin Sisko. I could have given every scum a safe claim, but I thought that would be overpowered, so instead I gave scum one claim that would be hard to refute, the captain of the station. Some games give scum a power as well as a role, but since there is an Oracle in the game, giving out roles doesn't really help that much, and even then, there would be nothing to stop scum from using their claims however they wanted, i.e. one player using a claim that wasn't intended for them. So because of that, there is no way that an Oracle or Cop's results could be influenced by the claims, the Oracle or Cop just gets the actual roles/alignments.

Nero Cain is obviously going to claim Benjamin Sisko, Vanilla Townie. Pretty much the only way town will have to refute this is if dave's theif role targets Nero Cain, thus getting the tracker role to steal. But dave hasn't been that diligent in using his power, in fact he hasn't actually stolen anything yet. So who knows if he will actually submit his night action. Either way it will be an entertaining Day 9.

[MonkeyMan576]

At any rate, the game is going to go town to at least the final five players,

and possibly the final three,

so I don't think there's any way you can argue that it isn't balanced.

In bold. I don't get it.

If a town dies tonight, then there will be five players left tomorrow. If town fails to lynch scum tomorrow, and another town dies tomorrow night, then they will be down to the final three players.

[LicketyQuickety]

In can work in different ways, but in this game, the scum have their normal roles, but they are given one "safe claim", a claim that would normally be considered town, which is Benjamin Sisko. I could have given every scum a safe claim, but I thought that would be overpowered, so instead I gave scum one claim that would be hard to refute, the captain of the station. Some games give scum a power as well as a role, but since there is an Oracle in the game, giving out roles doesn't really help that much, and even then, there would be nothing to stop scum from using their claims however they wanted, i.e. one player using a claim that wasn't intended for them. So because of that, there is no way that an Oracle or Cop's results could be influenced by the claims, the Oracle or Cop just gets the actual roles/alignments.

Nero Cain is obviously going to claim Benjamin Sisko, Vanilla Townie. Pretty much the only way town will have to refute this is if dave's theif role targets Nero Cain, thus getting the tracker role to steal. But dave hasn't been that diligent in using his power, in fact he hasn't actually stolen anything yet. So who knows if he will actually submit his night action. Either way it will be an entertaining Day 9.

If it was me and I knew the theme well, I would def be raising an eyebrow or two with a VT claim as the captain of the ship. Ofc it doesn't even look like people are considering the theme like they were when I was playing. CDB had a lot to do with that. I still don't get how its so hard to understand that creator=BP

[ika]

it doesnt change the endpoint that an oracle being able to know an entire setup as well as scums having one god damn fakeclaim with 5 people on the team is terrible