Genesis Mafia - Game Over!

[Vampirate]

Mafia is truly like a drug, on its good side and bad side.

[Metal Sonic]

@Plum

Vi did that replace out and retract thing too lol. Difference was that two players called her to stay (though 1 was scum and was apparently keeping her as a symp lol)

@Vi

I am not exactly clear if your 2706 was meant to be an insult or a reach out to keep things cool so please clarify.

[Metal Sonic]

I did suspect zakk and LLD at any one time but never both simultaneously -___-
So like, my reads weren't perfect. Only 2/3 at any point of time. Grr.

[Untrod Tripod]

Scum was still a hair away from losing

Imo the balance was fine

Yeah, if the Ascetic targets Nacho and Nacho redirects Zakk and Myself we are absolutely assfucked.

I DID target nacho

You got roleblocked iirc

[Kagami]

GG to the scumteam~

I'm surprised you used the double-lynch thing, LLD; but I guess your entire team was so safely harbored that it makes sense.

Thanks for modding UT.

I don't understand why people think apathy was a thing? Once BB was in, the game was going at a pretty good clip.

I personally think I played a pretty reasonable game. I should have stuck with the associative from cabd-slot that painted LLD as scum, and zakk was also pretty obviously scum until BB kind of replaced him with the survival kingmake. O well.

[Kagami]

MS and singer had excellent reads, imo.

[Metal Sonic]

Jazzmyn too. She was tunneling zakk.

[Kagami]

O, didn't realize that. I basically skipped any post that included the word "regards" in it.

[Vi]

@Vi

I am not exactly clear if your 2706 was meant to be an insult or a reach out to keep things cool so please clarify.

It's both. For homework, go back through your ISO and look at all the ways you found to steadily escalate any ill will I had toward you, and decide whether that was the right move or not.

(Pissing off Town players is a bad move regardless of alignment.)

I personally think I played a pretty reasonable game.

You did. I'm sorry our first game together couldn't have gone better.

[Metal Sonic]

@Vi

I am not exactly clear if your 2706 was meant to be an insult or a reach out to keep things cool so please clarify.

It's both. For homework, go back through your ISO and look at all the ways you found to steadily escalate any ill will I had toward you, and decide whether that was the right move or not.

(Pissing off Town players is a bad move regardless of alignment.)

I personally think I played a pretty reasonable game.

You did. I'm sorry our first game together couldn't have gone better.

Look. I have no idea why you have ill will towards me. I was scumhunting you and doing my job. I had no idea how good your scum game was. I have no intention of making you mad at any point in the game. If I did, I'm sorry.

[Metal Sonic]

In fact, you began using the F word while master zik never used any before you did, so I don't know how you can accuse me of being antagonistic. If you have a poor temper, that is actually not my fault. You should know mafia is toxic because you preach this like a pried in speakeasy and your lack of capacity to do so in this game was below expectations

[Metal Sonic]

*priest

[Vi]

...Yeah. It's useless to explain it to you.

Well, you're a known quantity, at least.

[Metal Sonic]

And when I was making the master zik account we had a very nice conversation about sonic and I made it clear that I liked you so your inability to give me the benefit of the doubt is disappointing.

[Metal Sonic]

...Yeah. It's useless to explain it to you.

Well, you're a known quantity, at least.

No, you have to explain it to me. Because I don't get it.

[Metal Sonic]

...Yeah. It's useless to explain it to you.

Well, you're a known quantity, at least.

And you don't want to go into the known quantity part. Singer was in that game where it actually happened and witnessed everything. Unlike you with the second hand biased info. And she is clearly not happy with what you did.

You should talk to me like a person instead of clouded with prejudice.

[Vampirate]

@Vi

The question on if this is your last game imo should be answered from this question.

Why do you actually like to play mafia in the first place?

If the reason outmatches the negatives then give another game a go. If the negatives outmatch the reason then don't stress yourself with going out with a better game.

[Untrod Tripod]

So I spent a lot of time and energy on this game, and it's a theme I've wanted to run literally since 2004. It's pretty annoying that this petty bullshit has ruined almost every aspect of it. Just fyi.

[Jazzmyn]

Metal Sonic...
You not only thought I was scum against all logic ...

That wasn't against logic at all. You acted scummily, you posted scummily, you behaved scummily. It was more than reasonable and logical to view you as scum.

vezokpiraka and Jazzmyn both undermined their credibility by going after me with the dumbest of attacks.

This is not true. You acted scummily, you posted scummily, you behaved scummily. Nobody's credibility was undermined by viewing you as scum in the circumstances, except your own.

Really the only people who did decently in the Town were RedCoyote and singersigner, and that's largely because I can't think of a flaw.

I can't agree with that. I think they both just as many mistakes as others, but perhaps singersigner slightly less so than Red.

In other words, the entire Town lost, lost hard, it wasn't close, and very few people can say they're not ready for a fair heaping of blame for it. Let it be done.

This, I agree with. It was an awful game all around. We all messed up.

Regards,
Jazz

[Kagami]

So I spent a lot of time and energy on this game, and it's a theme I've wanted to run literally since 2004. It's pretty annoying that this petty bullshit has ruined almost every aspect of it. Just fyi.

I'm a little sad that I didn't realize that plum's role had changed until shortly before I was killed.

I probably would have thought more about the setup.

[Jazzmyn]

(Pissing off Town players is a bad move regardless of alignment.)

This is true, which is precisely why you should strive not to continue to do so in future.

Regards,
Jazz

[Jazzmyn]

...Yeah. It's useless to explain it to you.

This is uncalled for. Look, Vi, you were scummy in this game, you acted scummy in this game, you were called out as scummy in this game. You really have no cause to criticize others for calling you out as scummy in this game, so stop it already. Master Zik was NOT scummy in this game.

Regards,
Jazz

[zakk]

Plum, I'm sorry for upsetting you. Same to you Jazzmyn. You both had decently good reads and I was just trying to throw you off.

And singersigner, you did great overall. Very nice job. At the time, I thought we could probably leave you alive another day, but in hindsight I think Lambda was right to insist on your being nightkilled.

Speaking of Lambda, your play was pretty darn good as well. It was a pleasure playing with you as a scum buddy.

@ Everyone mentioned above: Let's all play again, please. And all of you deserve more credit than you've gotten (except, perhaps, Lambda – but only because you've already gotten plenty of kudos )


Does anyone have any pointers for me on how I could improve my scum play?

Spoiler: Also, side note

If anyone feels my play in this game was unethical, please PM me. I would love to talk with you.

[Jazzmyn]

O, didn't realize that. I basically skipped any post that included the word "regards" in it.

Lol. Well, that may have been your downfall, I guess. I can't help it, it's just my nature to be try to maintain being polite and friendly at heart. I love the game but, regardless of alignment, it is important to me to try my best to remain civil and friendly, even when others are not, and I do not anticipate that changing.

Regards,

Jazz

[Metal Sonic]

Let's talk about happy things

Respect for singer and LLD significantly increased; another textbook example of their demonstration of their skills that they are famous for

Respect for zakk returned to baseline, was scum, so not an absolute idiot

Jazzmyn continues to remain on my "favorite players to play with list"