NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: bulbVOTE:

Barely in the game and votes for the largest wagon without any pretense of catching up. May not be a smoking gun but it doesn't look good imho

Yes, in light of the early hammer, Bulbazoor's two contributions are very scummy.

VOTE: keyserI am here.
Btw this is serious. Something seems off.

VOTE: PB
Also iffy. He needs to get to l y n c h minus one.

VOTE: Bulbazoor

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I'm sure everyone forgot I was pushing that wagon Keyser; thanks for bringing that up. Very pro-town of you.

VOTE: Bulba

[davesaz]

I typically don't like going for lurkers, but Kitty Galore sticks out as having posted just often enough to slide by without saying anything useful or even voting.

VOTE: Kitty Galore

Pedit: Bulba stuck out too, but I thought Kitty's no-vote to be interesting, especially if it's a silent vote mechanism.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah Dave, speaking of people who didn't contribute much...

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, I'm sure everyone forgot I was pushing that wagon Keyser; thanks for bringing that up. Very pro-town of you.

Did you honestly want him to roleclaim at L-1, or put him under pressure to explain his votes/unvotes?

[davesaz]

Let's look at this:

Could be some ones a double voter

Dragon no point unvoting. It changes nothing.

You should rejoin wagon to make sure wagon is maintained in the case of Mod error.

@BlueBloodedToffee, you either knew about the scum PR which enabled the early hammer, or scum are setting you up for the miss-lynch. Your incessant push for Prolapsed Brain to be put near L-1 needs to be flagged.

This did catch my eye though. Why do you presume it is a scum PR? Couldn't it be a town double voter? One of the vote counts did have a <vote> inserted in the middle of the list.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Whichever one is scummiest, I wanted him to do that.

What is the point of that question? You're very fence-sitty this game Keyser.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Keyser

Sheeping Mykonian.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Keyser

Sheeping Mykonian.

Why are you pointing out that you're sheeping? Yeah, Mykonian flipped town, but it seems odd for you to do this.

[dragonspawn]

How does having a double voter mean it's a scum? Couldn't a townie have that pr too?

And how does that in any way implicate bbt? Just because he was pushing the wagon?

Seems to me that bulb would be more suspect since h specifically said he wanted to get the wagon to L1. I just don't know if the secret vote came before he joined us or not.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It was half-joke (after voting dupping) and half serious (I think Mykonian makes the most sense as a kill coming from scum) and I like to keep things simple and assume that people are killed because they have good reads. The Anna and Kling kills completely baffle me though.

Keyser's recent posting was pretty terrible and I'm not feeling the conviction in his posts.

PEdit - The vote came before FA, Bulba and Kling. We couldn't see it though, it wasn't included in the VC until a lynch was achieved (which was bullshit)

[Keyser Söze]

This did catch my eye though. Why do you presume it is a scum PR? Couldn't it be a town double voter? One of the vote counts did have a <vote> inserted in the middle of the list.

I think a 'town double voter' would have unvoted - why risk the early hammer, without hearing Prolapsed Brain's roleclaim? It is fortunate he was only a citizen. My unvote was worthless in the end.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votecount 1.09

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Prolapsed Brain

- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, FA_Q2

Votecount 1.LYNCH

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Prolapsed Brain

- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt -

!!LYNCH!!

You see? In 400 the vote should have been shown before FA, but it wasn't.

I think it's very likely this is a scum PR and is a hidden second vote.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Keyser

Sheeping Mykonian.

You have been very jumpy so far. I have full conviction in my reads, posts and votes so far.

[dragonspawn]

Then if we are going to presume this is a scum pr then bulb is the best candidate because he voted with the intent to push him to L1

[Keyser Söze]

You see? In 400 the vote should have been shown before FA, but it wasn't.

I think it's very likely this is a scum PR and is a hidden second vote.

Yes, I researched the role Garmr posted: Double Voter, it allows a hidden vote.

Thus, if it is a scum-aligned double voter, there are opportunistic scum on Prolapsed Brain's wagon, who obviously knew they needed to put him near L-1.

We can look at the reasons why they voted for Prolapsed Brain (included mine, who later unvoted).

[dragonspawn]

Not a bad idea.

I votes for pb to put pressure. I did not like him just going full lurker and was hoping to get him to contribute so I could get a firm read one way or another.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: duppin

Sheeping Mykonian.

VOTE: Keyser

Sheeping Mykonian.

I find it suspicious you are trying to push the

two scum-reads

of

Mykonian

. Because Mykonian flipped town, would you rather follow Mykonian's scum-reads than your own?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You have been very jumpy so far. I have full conviction in my reads, posts and votes so far.

What is the point of the first comment? Do you think it's alignment indicative? If so, how?

I disagree with your second sentence.

[dragonspawn]

Klingons murder makes sense If bulb is scum. Her last post is literally her saying she suspects him and will keep and eye on him.

I'll have to ISO some of the others shortly.

[dragonspawn]

Anna night kill doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. More than likely a vig if anything. She didn't add much to the game. I could easily see a vigilante thinking she was scummy.

[dragonspawn]

Also is it possible we have a mass murderer? If we did and Anna investigated one of the other two it might explain something. But I'm not sure it does.

And are we sure we only have one scum group?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

[dragonspawn]

I saw nothing obviously town about Anna. In fact if I hasn't previous experience with her I would have suspected her more.