Greater Idea Mafia (Endgame)

[Luna Fox]

Hi all!

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Aristophanes

[Luna Fox]

Suddenly hydra heads

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: davsto

you don't turn down black goo for another town role

Why not? I don't feel like being a role that turns people into an alignment that isn't mine. Hey, I'm playing semi-seriously.

VOTE: Level 1-1 for turning down fuckin Bulletproof.


Also, I'm Ascetic Townie. Just thought I'd say so you don't waste protects and investigations on me.

I thought level turned down conspirancy theorist?

[Luna Fox]

If anything being full bulletproof draws a big "lynch me" mark on you, since you wont die so people will get paranoid.

[Luna Fox]

I agree that in multifaction game, b/w result roles like cop, seer and ct aren't that good.

[Luna Fox]

can someone tell me if there can be duplicate roles?

There cant be duplicate cards, there can be multiple cards of a single role.
That make sense?

[Luna Fox]

Haha, i just checked, you're right

Vote: Dav

[Luna Fox]

Thats not how the setup is done.
The role list is randomized then the cards are handed out via playerlist order (or mod can randoimize playerlist too), so there can't be 2 duplicate cards.

[Luna Fox]

So im going back here

Vote: Art

[Luna Fox]

This isn't good news tho, that means that scum can claim anything and not fear CC.

[Luna Fox]

Did you know Greater Idea Mafia doesn't need RVS?

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah here mine:

Supersaint over Serial Killer (Protection from alien and werewolf kills)
X over Wild Card
Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

[Luna Fox]

This isn't one, do you mean protection from Alien or from Werewolf?

Oh wait i misremembered, im not used to playing with replicant faction i meant immune from alien and replicant.

[Luna Fox]

Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

Whoa why? Why take VT over like anything ? just curious

Because i hate scum.

[Luna Fox]

Also i do realize that it wont mean anything, since i have no meta here, so take that statement with a grain of salt.

[Luna Fox]

okay. when bp's are lynched it is usually because that they were playing in a scummy way, not just because they had the role. I know quite a few players who have never been lynched as bp including myself. if you are tired of being the d1 lynch then there are steps that you can take to fix that.

I thought BP's are lynched because their BP claim explains them not being night killed, so they are usually lynched before LyLo.

[Luna Fox]

RVS is a measure of gaining information
Greater Idea Mafia already gives some information in the form of player's discards.
Use that information to make a vote.

[Luna Fox]

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah here mine:

Supersaint over Serial Killer (Protection from alien and werewolf kills)
X over Wild Card
Vanilla Townie over Werewolf Alpha.

I find it hard to believe you really chose these rubbish/mediocre town roles over SK/ww.
Sounds like scum not wanting to admit they're OK with being scum
VOTE: Luna fox

I was expecting that actually.

[Luna Fox]

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

Why?
This isn't hard to fake and Anti is a good player.

If anti's a good player and has fooled me with something like that then all the power to him.
I rarely backdown on townreads since i pick them up better than scumreads.

[Luna Fox]

Also i'd argue supersaint is a very fun role, specially in 3way LyLo

[Luna Fox]

gah, the only thing i have is a couple of super boring town reads

can someone start scum posting plz?

I want to think that you're town for this.
So im gonna go with purple being town.

Why?
This isn't hard to fake and Anti is a good player.

If anti's a good player and has fooled me with something like that then all the power to him.
I rarely backdown on townreads since i pick them up better than scumreads.

What?
That isn't hard to fake at all.
Are you two the only ones on your team, or are there more?

I don't have a team.

[Luna Fox]

btw Mario i think unless you vote from your hydra your vote wont count.

[Luna Fox]

Wanna be culted?

Please n-
Actually sure i'd love you to target me tonight.

[Luna Fox]

okay. when bp's are lynched it is usually because that they were playing in a scummy way, not just because they had the role. I know quite a few players who have never been lynched as bp including myself. if you are tired of being the d1 lynch then there are steps that you can take to fix that.

I thought BP's are lynched because their BP claim explains them not being night killed, so they are usually lynched before LyLo.

where did you learn this?

Offsite.

[Luna Fox]

now i have to go see if either head of level 1-1 has seen any scumgame of mine b/c i know that hydra was in disney where i completely flubbed as scum. this "antiheroz is scum masterz" is fucking bananas to begin w/ but it's UNFORGIVABLE coming from someone who's actually been in one of my scumgames.

So basically level should know that this is your town game regardless of his alignment, yet he's still saying you're scum?
Don't you think if that is the case level would be buddying you instead?

[Luna Fox]

I did mention earlier that i wouldn't expect people to believe me when i said i hated scum, specially because i dont have any finished games on this site yet.
So i dont find Level's push on me that bad tbh.
The only thing i find odd is that he said that "anti's a good player and perfectly capable of faking that", if what anti says about himself is true then yeah, this reasoning is bad, but i don't think they are likely scum for it.

So i do have a townread on level.

[Luna Fox]

okay. when bp's are lynched it is usually because that they were playing in a scummy way, not just because they had the role. I know quite a few players who have never been lynched as bp including myself. if you are tired of being the d1 lynch then there are steps that you can take to fix that.

I thought BP's are lynched because their BP claim explains them not being night killed, so they are usually lynched before LyLo.

where did you learn this?

Offsite.

What site?

Can I have a link to past games of yours?

Klingoncelt

Why do you need a link to my past games?
I prefer you read me based on this game only.

[Luna Fox]

I don't even...
Also sorry Delenn can't link my games right now, site's down atm.

[Luna Fox]

Although i probably wont link them anyways coz i'll either forget, or because i hate linking my offsite games.

[Luna Fox]

Also funny, for someone claiming they need to survive, you're doing a good job doing the exact opposite of that, why?

[Luna Fox]

if greninja's admitting they're third party, then there's no reason not to lynch him. there's no reason to keep him alive, especially if he's an sk.
There's only one explanation I can see for them clearly trying to get lynched OTHER THAN NOT CARING ABOUT THE GAME. they're a saulus and they want to be turned town. Which means that we benefit from lynching him. So what are we waiting for? VOTE: greninja

And what if they're Judas?

[Luna Fox]

You cant seriously consider them being Saulus as a reason without ignoring the possibility of Judas.

[Luna Fox]

without = while
typo.

[Luna Fox]

Saulus is mafia that revives as town if lynched.
Judas is town that revives as mafia if lynched.

[Luna Fox]

What is that supposed to mean.

[Luna Fox]

if greninja's admitting they're third party, then there's no reason not to lynch him. there's no reason to keep him alive, especially if he's an sk.
There's only one explanation I can see for them clearly trying to get lynched OTHER THAN NOT CARING ABOUT THE GAME. they're a saulus and they want to be turned town. Which means that we benefit from lynching him. So what are we waiting for? VOTE: greninja

I don't really like this post. Sally seemed like he was joking and ur exploding over that detail

I disliked it for an entirely different reason, but that's plausible.
To me it looked more like looking for reasons to jump on someone who was trying to draw attention.

[Luna Fox]

I think hippy love is town.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i thought i changed my vote before nap

Vote: Lizard

[Luna Fox]

Art can be scum too.

[Luna Fox]

Art can be scum too.

Why exactly?

-Ank

third party hunting, just like Lizard.

[Luna Fox]

How is that more likely to come from scum and not town?

-Ank

Town looks for scum in general... not specifically 3rd party.

[Luna Fox]

Scum needs to eliminate the Town and any other factions that oppose them, so they look for possible third parties and try to get them lynched because technically third parties are also scum, this makes them appear as scumhunting, while Town looks for group scum as well as third parties that interfere with their win con, if a player is specifically looking for third parties, is because they are fake scumhunting to try to get rid of their rivals so they can destroy the town in peace, while a townie doesn't care if their target is third party or just group scum.

[Luna Fox]

Ok nvm i liked that post by art, despite being more information than analysis, but it doesnt look like he's voting for Greninja as TP hunting.

[Luna Fox]

I've been wondering, what's the point of that information?

[Luna Fox]

Either nothing useful will happen, but there's a chance that I may get something from it later on. Playing a bit of a long game.

Like what do you expect to happen with that information?

[Luna Fox]

Like, what role i choose on the other games doesn't help you decide what card i choose here, and if i was scum what makes you think im not lying about what i choose over what in other games since there's no public info about those? I don't see the point of what you're doing.

[Luna Fox]

I still don't get it but w/e, as long as you still scumhunt and not do this to pretend you're doing something i don't care.

[Luna Fox]

Also i dont get what's Delenn's obsession with my meta.

[Luna Fox]

as long as you not do this to pretend you're doing something.

We think that's exactly what he's doing. FoS Davasto

Titus

Me too, that's exactly why I pointed it out.

[Luna Fox]

To my understanding it gives an idea of what people prefer.

I refer back to my point that scum can lie about it.

[Luna Fox]

I won't believe it until i see the analysis behind it. He's already backpedaling on it.

[Luna Fox]

In greatest idea there's 3 cards tho, so someitmes claiming your alignment card is ok to try to find duplicates.

Then again not only this game doesn't have duplicates but i find the info useless, sure there's no harm in claiming it, the problem is that davsto is just not doing anything else.

[Luna Fox]

Also speaking of not doing anything, i dont like Shiro's ISO either.

[Luna Fox]

Your ISO consists of information of your choices + asking why lizard is being voted + doing nothing after explanation + defense of Davsto

I'd argue that this is information relevant to your alignment.

[Luna Fox]

There we go, that's an analysis thingy.

[Luna Fox]

Feels like you're only analyzing something because we're suspecting you of IIoA. Instead of because you want to.

[Luna Fox]

Sorry, I had a headache today.
I think Greninja's town, shadow probably too, I don't like Davsto still.

[Luna Fox]

Although it is true that if Davsto is not lying about being ascetic there's no other ascetic role for other alignments?

[Luna Fox]

Look at her vote post, and you'll see.

[Luna Fox]

I dont like this Mr Elvis person.

[Luna Fox]

I dont like this Mr Elvis person.

Why not he is funny D :

I tend to generally dislike players that bring toxicity into games.

[Luna Fox]

Using buzzwords such as "busiwork" and "IIoA" to "read" people instead of actually analysing their actions and motives is, ironically enough, busiwork.

But they are analyzing tho, they are pinning your IIoA to a scum mindset.
Also ironically enough, you're calling them here for IIoA and calling them doing busiwork. (See i can do that too)

[Luna Fox]

@Dav if that was an invitation to wagon an inactive count me in.

Where you seeing that.

[Luna Fox]

Can i hug you too? I like hugs

[Luna Fox]

Wth wasn't there a post there saying that he wanted to remind us TSO and another person haven't posted in the game yet? Like I can't fine it but I sure I saw it

It's art's post.

[Luna Fox]

I blame their non-existance on:

I never got a game start PM or a link to the game.

Lizard is lurking tho!

[Luna Fox]

Ika: can you inform the missing players the game started if you haven't, thank you.

[Luna Fox]

Luna 2
Shiro 0

[Luna Fox]

I'm just gonna sleep

[Luna Fox]

that avatar is scary...

[Luna Fox]

I mean hiplop's

[Luna Fox]

While i dont mind voting fire i think i prefer to stay on Lizard for now.

[Luna Fox]

sal's pushes are horrible and i'm kind of scum reading ya'll for it.

you have anything good for me, frogger?

Wait why do you say you're scumreading them for having horrible pushes and you vote firebringer?

[Luna Fox]

sorry for the shitty sarcasm, but luna... that was a terrible question

Sorry.
It's just that i found it weird that you were complaining about a player then voting another.

[Luna Fox]

I love you pple.

that is all I have to say.

What is this about

[Luna Fox]

i swear luna...

if you make me take the white-out to your town read i might cry because that IS NOT THE WAY I NEED TO BE GOING

seriously. in a 20+ player game, please give me a reason why scum reading more than 1 person at once is "weird" so i can put this to bed.

I never said it was weird to scumread more than 1 person at once.
But i saw you talk about your greninja scumread then vote firebringer who i never saw you talk about.
So i found it weird.

[Luna Fox]

I would support a LunaWagon right about now.

Why

[Luna Fox]

I never said it was weird to scumread more than 1 person at once.
But i saw you talk about your greninja scumread then vote firebringer who i never saw you talk about.
So i found it weird.

i find it weird that you're mudslinging and/or lack an understanding of object permanence

do you believe that unstated reasons do not exist?

I'm not mudslinging, i was asking a question, now i know that you just have a scumread on both, sorry.

[Luna Fox]

I don't know what you're pointing out there, that kling uses meta reads and that titus is lying about teaching her to play better or something?

[Luna Fox]

Ok
Why is it a better chance than Lizard?

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait, i just read what Titus quoted

Unvote
Vote: Delenn

Derp sorry

[Luna Fox]

To me it looked like making excuses, but hippy might have a point on the mislynch thing, both look bad either way imo, so i'm happy with my vote there.

[Luna Fox]

She talks about Hunting based on discards

I thought that was standard procedure for Greater idea games instead of RVS.

[Luna Fox]

I still don't understand your issue with me. I voted Art because of their discard, then voted Lizard because they did something scummy, then i got a townread on Art later.

[Luna Fox]

I'm sorry, but I'm confused as to the Delenn wagon. All I've seen from them is that Titus likes playing as scum and that they discarded a town power role, but who's to say the Random Number Gods gave them one town and one scum?

I feel like I've missed something here.

yeah you have missed something there.

[Luna Fox]

The only ascetic in the deck is a town one greninja.

[Luna Fox]

He probably didn't know you were referring to the deck.

[Luna Fox]

@Delenn: Do you think Davesto is fake claiming ascetic?

[Luna Fox]

I thought prods need to be replied to in-thread, but apparently that's nowhere in the rules, now im wondering too.

[Luna Fox]

Any other thoughts TSO?

[Luna Fox]

Delenn too

[Luna Fox]

I received ika's message about the game less than 5 minutes ago, so not really.

I figured it was something like that, which is why I asked few pages ago for ika to send game start messages to the others.

[Luna Fox]

Something about Greninja saying that him wanting to vote Delenn = them being town.
Anyone else doesn't seem to get the reasoning despite me and others pointing it out.

[Luna Fox]

Btw, you've been mentioning about them being obviously scum, and the reasoning not being difficult to understand.
I know why I'm voting them.
Others know why I'm voting them.
I also know why others are voting them despite being slightly different reasons.
I am interested in your own reason.
Maybe your own reason can convince others more than ours.

[Luna Fox]

Why is there always so much resistance to a scum lynch.
Also being loud =/= being right.
I already pointed out my reasons for voting Delenn, no one has yet to engage me on them from the people defending them.

[Luna Fox]

Literally the only defense of Delenn is (They are usually mislynched D1). Which is a meh reasoning to think they're town, no one has pointed out how their play comes from a town mindset or why our reasoning for voting them are wrong.

[Luna Fox]

Yea and the only case is that she probably would choose scum over BP.

Nope, read my ISO, read Hippy Love's ISO, read Davsto's ISO, our reasons aren't the same as TSO's.

[Luna Fox]

Do people in here often ignore all reasons stacked to a scumread with the exception of the one they can refute?

[Luna Fox]

Why people are so obsessed with meta.
If i see something i see scum motivated in a game im going to vote it.
You're just giving an excuse for a supposedly scum Delenn to be scummy and be townread for it.

[Luna Fox]

607, 610, 619
Derived from: 605 and 606

[Luna Fox]

I would be much more happy to wagon someone like ktnx that has done nothing tbh

So lurkers then.

And if you think Delenn's town, then she wont die right?

[Luna Fox]

hmm... probably not.

Unvote

[Luna Fox]

I'll just sheep my townread for now

Vote: firebringer

[Luna Fox]

Isn't that gambler's fallacy?

[Luna Fox]

I am lost.
Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to join such a large game with a crazy setup.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Botlane

Gonna vote here.

[Luna Fox]

We are somewhere in there

I'll just use the right hand method

[Luna Fox]

TSO's mindset: People voting Delenn = Town. People not voting Delenn = Not as town.

Ok.

[Luna Fox]

The only sketch defense i see here is Greninja's, everyone else's worries look ok to me, so I figured I was wrong and changed my vote. I apologize to you for not being as awesome at finding scum on D1 or having the talents that you have, but without any more proper explanation i just, don't see it.

[Luna Fox]

Your Firebringer vote was a bad vote. The badness isn't simply that you stopped voting Delenn. Firebringer is a bad vote, full stop.

Why? Because i was sheeping or because of who I was voting?
Now you're going to tell me my botlane vote is bad too?

[Luna Fox]

Because Firebringer is likely town, and voting town isn't a particularly successful strategy? This is basic stuff.

Have you probably ever thought that i don't see them as likely town? Everyone doesn't see the same things you do, likewise i don't expect people to see the things i do and i don't mind being asked.

[Luna Fox]

There should be some sort of rule that censors posts such as #962 on the grounds of basic, gaping logical errors.

I do agree with this re: 962 btw.

[Luna Fox]

Titus is being suspected for choosing Lynchproof over Bulletproof > Titus choose Lynchproof over Bulletproof because she'd be suspected for choosing Lynchproof over Bulletproof > ?
Where's the logic in that.

[Luna Fox]

Are you even reading my posts...

[Luna Fox]

I'm done talking if everyone's just going to misunderstand my posts, it's frustrating.

[Luna Fox]

I actually think Delenn's town now, so i feel better about unvoting.

[Luna Fox]

This right here is giving me scum vibes. d3x KNOWS me. Me being absent on D1 in a large is a tell as much as anything I post/say. If I spammed this thread, it'd mean I'm scum cuz, well, I love playing scum. Me being aloof and non-committal is my town tell. Again, d3x out of anyone, should read this as town, yet here he is casting doubt. If anyone is to get the not so warm fuzzies here, it is I. Leaning scum on BotLane.

Ok good to know my gut is right.

[Luna Fox]

Well actually it's more than gut, it's more of a "for d3x to be scumreading me for the reasons he is it means ank and d3x have never talked about reads in this game" which is odd.

[Luna Fox]

p.edit: Are you saying Ank ignoring my existance while d3x isn't is what you are seeing as scummy?

Ank should know that people use discards in exchange of RVS in Greater Idea games. d3x made a catch up on 376 which gave him scum lean on me, I would assume that he would talk with his hydra head about the reasons for the scumreads, considering ank has posted a few times in the thread since d3x's catchup they have also had time to talk about reads, or at the very least, d3x has had time to tell ank about it and ank has had time to reply. 618 shows that his reason for scumreading me is because i voted ppl based on discards, since it replaces RVS, it's not unheard of that i change my vote for another lead, if Ank agrees with this scumread then Ank's scum, and if Ank hasn't talked with d3x about this read then they are probs scum, in either case, botlane is scum.

[Luna Fox]

you don't normally act out.

He does when he's scum and there's pressure on him.

[Luna Fox]

I'll bloodhound delenn tonight if you help me lynch scum botlane

[Luna Fox]

you don't normally act out.

He does when he's scum and there's pressure on him.

Are you admitting to be an alt, then?

-Ank

Nope i did some research earlier.

[Luna Fox]

Good luck pushing this then, because acting out when pressured is a town trait of mine, not a scum trait.

So you didnt say this?

My scumgame is pretty awful and the main reason I never was 'caught' per se was because I wasn't ever pressured. My strength as town is that I look town under pressure and my biggest weakness as scum is that I basically out myself under pressure.

Do I need to directly link the quote?

[Luna Fox]

Luna, can you compare this Ank to Survivor Ank?

I'm assuming the name of the game is "Survivor" (how ironic he was a survivor there i think?) All i see is him being somewhat calm on his ISO, was there any pressure on him at any point?

[Luna Fox]

Good luck pushing this then, because acting out when pressured is a town trait of mine, not a scum trait.

So you didnt say this?

My scumgame is pretty awful and the main reason I never was 'caught' per se was because I wasn't ever pressured. My strength as town is that I look town under pressure and my biggest weakness as scum is that I basically out myself under pressure.

Do I need to directly link the quote?

...that's it? A single line I posted in the past that doesn't even state what's different about how I respond to pressure as either alignment?

-Ank

Yes

[Luna Fox]

@Hippy Love:

I'll bloodhound delenn tonight if you help me lynch scum botlane

[Luna Fox]

So Do you refuse the fact that you know that in greater idea mafia games RVS is substitued by voting people based on discards and so d3x's scumread on me is bollocks?

[Luna Fox]

Or do you want me to bring proof of that too.

[Luna Fox]

You can say that, but you never mentioned me as a scumread until I voted you.

[Luna Fox]

You can say that, but you never mentioned me as a scumread until I voted you.

You didn't meta me very well.

-Ank

So, Assuming that you're telling the truth, my case was based on facts that had happened until that point, so the ank head (you) having a scumread on me until that point was still based on the facts that were in the thread up until that point, meaning that you mentioning this afterwards doesn't invalidate my case and looks more like an out.

[Luna Fox]

...what?

Fact: You (Ank) never mentioned a scumread on me previous to the vote on you.
Fact: D3x did mention a scumread on me. For the reasons of me voting based on discards and dropping my vote afterwards.

I made the case based on the fact that You (Ank) would know about the "voting based on discards" and would have discussed D3x's scumread if you both were town since you know the reasoning for it is pretty flimsy, but this didn't appear to be the case.

Fact: Your response to the vote "OH! But i was scumreading you too!"

Looks like you just obvscum'd to me.

[Luna Fox]

That isn't even the main point tho, don't be distracted by that art, it's just a supplement showing how Botlane's reactions to the pressure are more likely to come from scum ank than town ank.

[Luna Fox]

You may as well have just RVSed because your Vote on Ari meant nothing and lead to nothing.

That's exactly what i did, RVS, except using the discard as a justification because it's info that's out there, just like it's usually done in greater idea mafia games.

It felt like a 'this is how you play Town in Greater Idea' more than an actual Vote with conviction. The fact that she then spoke theory about how it's the correct play, but didn't use it bothers me.

I never said this is how you play "town" in greater idea, i said this is how you play in greater idea in general.

And are you going to keep pushing this as though you know what we do and don't talk about while seemlessly making shit up about why I was leaning Scum on you in the first place?

Fact: Ank never mentioned a scumread on me before the vote, unless you're pretending i'm a mind reader and should've known he had one, my case still stands.

[Luna Fox]

Because it wasn't obvious by this point that I don't reveal everything I'm thinking as I think it.

I never mentioned the scumread partially because I had bigger fish to fry (Level 1-1), and partially because it was still small until recently. The way you were pushing yourself into the game looked like scum trying to lay low and look busy at the same time, and that impression never went away until this case popped up, which is a lot worse.

Problem is, as i said, i'm not a mindreader, I took the cases formed from observations i made based on the facts that were in thread, if you never stated the scumread previously despite you saying "This is how i play" I don't see how you would think i was supposed to know that, so instead of discrediting my case you could've just stated why i was wrong, but since you went to discredit the case, you're scum.

[Luna Fox]

What do you think of Bloodhounding Hippy tonight?

I think bloodhounding an unlynchable would be better because you'd need 2 lynches to flip.

[Luna Fox]

Besides if you come back as town, then that'll stop everyone from chasing you, do you disagree?

[Luna Fox]

Eh i guess i'm simple minded then.
Also i thought the setup with alien mass redirector was a no-go?

[Luna Fox]

forgot an option

you being scum

If she's scum she's going to come as "Not Town" so what's the issue?

[Luna Fox]

Also pretty much all those options apply to whoever i scan, not only you, sooo

[Luna Fox]

Also pretty much all those options apply to whoever i scan, not only you, sooo

Vigging me is a better method of resolving us.

But that would make you die.

[Luna Fox]

If we don't die today/tonight, no one can claim vig without arguing redirection.

You aren't going to die today regardless, if you're really unlynchable, sooo...

[Luna Fox]

You literally didn't even bring up the fact that I had never mentioned the scumread until we had gone through this entire meta spat that went absolutely nowhere. What I saw was that your case did not coincide with the facts, so your case was basically d3x and I never talked about our read on you, therefore we're scum.

If you had mentioned that tidbit from the beginning, it would have been me stating why you were wrong and not fighting the case.

But you were trying to discredit the case based on something i was supposed to know how?
It seems to me like you already knew what was the crux of my case when you were trying to discredit it.

[Luna Fox]

No, the crux of your initial case was that this slot was scum because d3x and I hadn't discussed our read on you.

p.edit: Are you saying Ank ignoring my existance while d3x isn't is what you are seeing as scummy?

Ank should know that people use discards in exchange of RVS in Greater Idea games. d3x made a catch up on 376 which gave him scum lean on me, I would assume that he would talk with his hydra head about the reasons for the scumreads, considering ank has posted a few times in the thread since d3x's catchup they have also had time to talk about reads, or at the very least, d3x has had time to tell ank about it and ank has had time to reply. 618 shows that his reason for scumreading me is because i voted ppl based on discards, since it replaces RVS, it's not unheard of that i change my vote for another lead,

if Ank agrees with this scumread then Ank's scum, and if Ank hasn't talked with d3x about this read then they are probs scum, in either case, botlane is scum.

So apparently i'm not acknowledging the possibiltity, ok.

[Luna Fox]

Also i just lol'd at botlane's vote swap.

[Luna Fox]

Titus wagon is still awful.

UNVOTE: Luna Fox
VOTE: Delenn

So what changed?

[Luna Fox]

Luna, so what do you think of vigging me here? My death reveals a lot of scummy actions and thus serves a purpose or outs there's no vig.

Any SKs have to shoot me or lose their obvious fakeclaim. Scum wouldn't dare shoot me.

Beyond losing us, what incentive is there not to have me vigged?

I'd prefer you stop thinking about dying.

[Luna Fox]

Oh ok, i missed that post.

[Luna Fox]

Doesn't matter; it's the same basic point, just pointed in the opposite direction.

It points towards my interpretation a lot more than it does yours.

-Ank

Except the crux of my case isn't the lack of discussion.
The crux of my case was the fact that you should know that RVS in Greater Idea games is based on discards and not just simply voting randomly and the scumread on me was bollocks, i can buy d3x not knowing, but my issue was that you SHOULD know and had NO ISSUE with that read.
Which is why i said you were more likely scum IF you agreed with the scumread than if you hadn't discussed it.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, you and Ank are drowning shit out. We know he's scum, don't let him do that.

Talk to me about anyone else.

I think you and art are town, also i think purple hero is town, hippy love reminds me of my old playstyle in a less aggresive way.

[Luna Fox]

My issue is that you didn't DO anything with it. You may as well have just RVSed because your Vote on Ari meant nothing and lead to nothing.

That's a large part

of what raised my eyebrows in the first place.

Ok so it's not a large part then?

[Luna Fox]

Old play style? So you are an alt?

I am not as good with Mara. Need more Anti to read purple. Who is Art?

Less aggressive? I am not seeing anything passive from Hippy?

No i'm not, my old playstyle on the site i was at caused a lot of people to hate me, which is why i don't like linking that, and it's also why i'm using a completely opposite playstyle in here.
Art is my nickname for the Art avatar guy, aristo i think?

[Luna Fox]

You're contention is that Voting based off of the discards takes the place of RVS because there's actual information to be gleaned from the discards, right?

~d3x

Yes, so it's essentially a more informed RVS.

[Luna Fox]

Basically expecting me to "do something" with a vote based on "discard" would be the same as expecting me to "do something" by voting art because i didn't like his avatar. I rarely RVS, so i never know what to do with votes, but regardless i got a scumread somewhere else while my vote was there, so i decided to pursue that instead, i don't see what's so difficult to understand and that's why your case on me is BS.

[Luna Fox]

Can you say what site or other name then?

I don't really want to, those memories make me feel uncomfortable, and i don't like talking about it, nor it will help understand me because im playing the entirely opposite.

[Luna Fox]

@Shiro: Hint: It's because they're scum.

[Luna Fox]

And with said information something should come of the Vote, because it's not just RVS pissing in the wind. My problem was that you did nothing with your Vote that should have developed into something, even just a simple question about why he discarded it. But you literally didn't mention it once. Hell, you even talked about others' discards, but not the guy you were Voting

based on his discard

. You gained nothing with your Vote, but acted like it actually meant something. You went out of your way to discuss how Greater Idea doesn't have RVS because we have something to inform our Votes. And then did nothing with the informed Vote. That was my problem.

And all of this is ultimately a tornado in a teakettle because I only had you as a Scum lean at the time. You and others asked me why I would be ok with a Wagon on you. I didn't Vote you. You weren't my #1. I said I'd support a Wagon on you. More so I took issue with you talking about theory more than actually doing anything. You were posting without really doing anything. You're still conveniently ignoring the majority of my reasons for ScumReading you.

~d3x

It's kinda hard to talk with a player that isn't around, unless you are suggesting that i have telepathy or something.

[Luna Fox]

I guess Delenn is right, arguing with caught scum is pointless as i'm never gonna convince them that they're scum anyway.
My read progression and thought process are clear as water anyway and should be to anyone reading the thread so...

[Luna Fox]

Like, this guy is obviously saying that i voted him because of his discard, so it's obviously clear why i was voting him, He responded to the votes based on the discard in his first post, i don't see how he can be town and think there's any scum motivation in anything i've done.

[Luna Fox]

>Starts a case and wagon on botlane
>Sheeping.

Yeah no.

[Luna Fox]

Well your case on me ultimately boils down to: "she didn't do anything with something that's the equivalent of an RVS vote, despite she obviously having a stronger scumread on Lizard at that point and getting a townread on Art". Why am i supposed to think this line of thinking comes from town?

[Luna Fox]

>Starts a case and wagon on botlane
>Sheeping.

Yeah no.

You totally look scummy.
I will eat my shoe if you are not scum this game.

I hope you prepare some stomach medication then.
I will quote this postgame

[Luna Fox]

I hope you prepare some stomach medication then.
I will quote this postgame

Sure thing, make sure to remember the post number.

I have it bookmarked.
I fully expect you to stick to your word.

[Luna Fox]

Like i'd literally get myself lynched just to see you eat a shoe.
That's too funny to pass up.

[Luna Fox]

Pedit: I'll eat a shoe if the assumption is wrong

Oh wow you're right.
I guess we have a nice postgame to look up to.

[Luna Fox]

Jokes aside, sorry, but im never getting lynched, if you want me to die, you'll have to NK me.

[Luna Fox]

Jokes aside, sorry, but im never getting lynched, if you want me to die, you'll have to NK me.

Soft claim eh?

>soft claim
>already hard claimed

You really aren't reading this game are you

[Luna Fox]

I think im just gonna shove firebringer into the Not Reading/VI pile and go to sleep.
Good Night.

[Luna Fox]

>Stops arguing with scum to not drown the thread
>Hippy Love loses townread on me for that.

I guess it must have been a fake townread, considering they needed a BS reason to remove it.

[Luna Fox]

I guess i'll take Delenn on her suggestion of Bloodhounding Hippy.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait i think it was purple hero who did

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait nvm it was hippy love, i was correct.

[Luna Fox]

Also no im not a Mason (I've been hard claiming Town Bloodhound for a while)

[Luna Fox]

also i thought far was joking when she said she was masons! mebbe she wasn't.

that will look better for luna

Was probably referring to:

In case I forget, anyone that claims Mason is lying scum.
Thank you

And:

Also funny, for someone claiming they need to survive, you're doing a good job doing the exact opposite of that, why?

This girl is totes town.
*waves at mollie*

This game is going to be a bitch to read, if sala promises to kill me n1 I'm leaving him be.

[Luna Fox]

I figured it'd be better to clear any misunderstandings from the root than letting people townread me for reasons i shouldn't be townread.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah I hate this game.

Why?

[Luna Fox]

Too many pages, not enough night, ppl tunneling mislynch bait in L1-1/Tituskelt

What do you think of my case on botlane?

[Luna Fox]

Hi
Luna and Shiro are probably town
BL is probably either third party or

alien

Delenn could be fucking anything but

I want to lynch groupscum

and don't see why Klingon asks Titus for townhelp if Titus always gets lynched day one?

Isn't alien groupscum?

[Luna Fox]

Anyway imma go jogging, here's to hoping that when im back i hear something from greninja that isn't defending titus or complaining about titus lynch.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway imma go jogging, here's to hoping that when im back i hear something from greninja that isn't defending titus or complaining about titus lynch.

You whats really interesting about that?

They accuse me of buddying them, which almost makes me want to lynch them because both of them should know I dont like obvious lynches unless I am scum or just a Non-jointing 3rd. I know personally that Titus fir some fucking reason says something and the masses what to speedlynch her for saying it. Klingon too, has this issue (Mafia in Japan for example).

I don't really mind about your reasons for defending them, since i have a townread on them now as well, i'm more interested in your thoughts on the other players.

[Luna Fox]

Can my color be

#BF0080

please?

[Luna Fox]

Cool to know how you feel about people bringing post counts, now how do you feel about the wagons and the gamestate.

[Luna Fox]

Please, cease the hate

[Luna Fox]

There's no reason to hate another player for trying to lynch someone you're townreading, a single player alone can't lynch another one, if Titus gets lynched and flips town then the whole town was wrong and got misled by scum, not a single player's fault.

[Luna Fox]

So scum is:

Mollie/TSO, Vedith, and Kaboose for sure.

I agree on Kaboose, that vote reeks, Mollie/TSO idk, i'll probably bloodhound hippy love, why Vedith?

[Luna Fox]

Oh i forgot about that, derp.

[Luna Fox]

Should i just flip a coin between TSO/Hippy tonight?
Although i think TSO's town so i'm more worried about Hippy.

[Luna Fox]

So, can i know again why are we no lynching Day 1 by lynching unlynchable?

[Luna Fox]

Huh, wouldn't they not dying today not only confirm it, but be risky of them moving over to scum if they are judas?

[Luna Fox]

Unless you're suggesting that if day ends with a no lynch, we learn something, whatever scum factions exist make their night kills, and then we start D2 with any leads?
Or are you going to lynch them again if they dont die during the night?
Would you be ok with me bloodhounding them tonight instead?

[Luna Fox]

Basically my issue with lynching Delenn is that you have to be 100% sure they are scum because we'd need 2 lynches to kill them, and i'm not even 100% right now.

[Luna Fox]

I'm sorry, i just dont want to risk it on the off chance that they are Judas / legit Town 1-shot Lynchproof, the risk is far too great, i think they are better handled by night actions.

[Luna Fox]

I am extremely confident that they will not evade a lynch by means of their role. But if they do, then you can Bloodhound them, and I will accept your word as gospel. That is how confident I am of Delenn-scum.

How is this any better than
Lynch someone that hasn't claimed unlynchable D1 > Get flip info > Scan Delenn during the night > Get Town/Not Town result > ??? > Profit.
With your supposed
Lynch Delenn > Possibly not getting flip info > Scan Delenn during the night > Get town/not town result > ???? >profit?

Like, the only difference i see is that in the first one we get flip info from someone else, and still get info on Delenn, on the second one we get no flip info on anyone and i still have to bloodhound delenn.

[Luna Fox]

Oh hey, Shiro and Greninja were the two Kaboose wagoners and now ironically they're both on Vedith.

I'm going to be very upset if they're not both dead by day three.

-Ank

Whatever happened with your scumread on me.

[Luna Fox]

What part of that post indicates that I don't have a scumread on you anymore?

-Ank

Considering you want to purge Shiro and Vedith for some reason, and you're voting Delenn?

[Luna Fox]

...
I just realized something
Amianki would probably not pick a scum role if he had the chance...

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

[Luna Fox]

I tend to forget you choose your role this game, orz

[Luna Fox]

I knew it.

-Ank

Knew what