Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[wgeurts]

C

[wgeurts]

K
And the one below!

[Varsoon]

"Let us leave the bloody past behind us and bring peace."

-Chris,

Suikoden III

VOTECOUNT 3.04

BRantz (4):

Elbirn, pistachi0n, Klingoncelt, wgeurts

pistachi0n (4):

BRantz, Firekari, Firekari, Ranger

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational, Suzune

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-28 04:15:00)
You stole my pagetop and didn't even hammer.

[wgeurts]

Gah, got trolled trolling the mod.
Someone hammer already

[Suzune]

Okay I'll do it.

Intent to hammer BRantz

[BRantz]

I would self hammer, but that is "playing against my wincon", and I don't want to take the lolhammer pleasure away from guerts.

How is self hammering playing against your wincon but asking to be lynched isn't?

There is a fundamental difference between the two pistachi0n.

Lol trolled by ranger. Just do it suzune, why are you trying to look hesitant about this?

[Klingoncelt]

Suzune, are you going to hammer or not?

I'm getting a bad feeling about this.

[Reasonably Rational]

Pistachion, you said you investigated us because you thought we were hard to kill scum. Why did you believe that, and if you truly thought we were scum, why didn't you push us D1? Also, based on what we said D1, it was fairly obvious that we had some plan for proving ourselves to the town. If you were suspicious of us, wasn't it easier to let us hang ourselves by our likely inability to actually prove anything? In addition, why did you cop us rather than just shooting us if you were sure enough that we were scum to make us hated. Actually, as a matter of fact, YOU said you had your hated mark back. The implication there is that you are now hated. Why aren't you lynched yet?

Again, please, nobody hammer until this is resolved.

-Cerb

[Elbirn]

Can I just hammer pistachio?

[Reasonably Rational]

Can I just hammer pistachio?

Well, the thing is it might just be a communication misunderstanding. He might have meant he had his power back, but that it didn't give him the hated modifier.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

*her* I apologize for defaulting to using male pronouns.

-Cerb

[Suzune]

Sorry I'm at work.

Yes I am going to hammer

RR, you want me to wait?

[Reasonably Rational]

Sorry I'm at work.

Yes I am going to hammer

RR, you want me to wait?

I would appreciate it. I'm getting a suspicion that pistachion isn't being entirely truthful about their role, and may indeed be a better lynch than Brantz.

-Cerb

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:




I'll be back tomorrow.

[Suzune]

Interesting that Kling unvoted...

[Reasonably Rational]

Interesting, yes, but I view it as a pro town move to not let their vote keep someone at l-1 when there might be reason to suspect someone else. Kings unvote is only suspicious if it's a 4 man team where she is bussing Brantz and buying town cred by using a power that gives her a second shot to shoot a target of our choosing, and I just gave her a reason to not bus her teammate.

-Cerb

-Cerb

[wgeurts]

Jeanne's role would make a lot of sense with a town pistachi0n

[Reasonably Rational]

Jeanne's role would make a lot of sense with a town pistachi0n

How so?

-Cerb

[wgeurts]

Well she could restore a shot of multi shot abilities

[Reasonably Rational]

Ah. The refill power. Hmm. I disagree actually. I think that particular combination, which creates the possibility of a second masonlike team(they can be at least semi-informed if pistachion just investigated Jeanne) AND gives town an unlimited shot JOAT is unlikely to exist in a game with preexisting masons. Mason pairings already replace cops in terms of the role they serve with regards to game balance, since we just represent two cop innocents(maybe like 1.5 cop innocents, really) which were given while the cop was still alive(basically, innocent townies whose alignment you can't be 100% certain of until a particular player flips).

Also, to whoever was speculating about how the game was designed: I think it's a lot more likely that Varsoon assigned us all our flavor as we chose, then randomized alignment, then looked at what flavor each side had available for it and then worked to make a balanced game that fit with the flavor of each slot. Creating mechanics to match flavor and then randomizing only works if you manage the game balance such that any 3-4 slots plus a nk is balanced vs any other combination of the other 9-10 slots. That seems way harder to do.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, I'm sorry I abandoned our masonry, I kinda don't see a huge point to it now that we're both exposed. Might as well make sure if the scum have some sort of double kill or something they can't keep our thoughts from being shared. Not like that would be a priority to them, but it's just a thought.

-Cerb

[Elbirn]

Roles have nothing to do with alignment.

[Reasonably Rational]

Yes, but roles have EVERYTHING to do with balance. We can't consider a slot to be cleared by role, but balancing the game the way you(I assume it was you, because you tool the time to respond to my tangent with a defense) suggested he did if would be nearly impossible. If that's how people here regularly balance upicks I shudder ro think how many games have been poorly balanced.

-Cerb

[Klingoncelt]

Interesting that Kling unvoted...

I was going to be away from the game for a while, I didn't want any hammers slipping in while I was gone.

Did you not want more discussion?

[Klingoncelt]

Also, I'm sorry I abandoned our masonry, I kinda don't see a huge point to it now that we're both exposed. Might as well make sure if the scum have some sort of double kill or something they can't keep our thoughts from being shared. Not like that would be a priority to them, but it's just a thought.

-Cerb

I'm not sure I follow that. Don't masons have their own PT that no one else can get in to? (I've never been a mason.)