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Your opinion.

I don't find that it's objectively true.

I definitely pushed back against a ton of people who were town because I was getting frustrated by the terrible wagons that they were leading.

I'm sure that if I had the ability to create pressure against them I would have been able to sort them more proficiently than I was.

I felt kind of bad about Mathilda because she was one of the few that actually trusted me.

pip: feel free to tell me(or everyone else), how your refusal to state
- where town-trow should have voted (as the fact scum-trow voting you was a cornerstone of your case)
- where shaddow pushed you to vote egg
- where i pushed you to vote egg
helped town.
especially after it became clear that to keep that up would get you lynched.


RC: do you know who shared the opinion (you managed to convince) Mathilda to let herself be lynched, rather than trying to actually talk to town?
Mathilda.
Or did you forget, she ended up self-voting?

And while this

Make no mistake here, mathilda got mislynched, because you convinced her, not to let me help

might just be my opinion

this is not

You went after me, for trying to get her to show she was town.

I don't particularly find it useful considering you were wrong about all your reads and I wasn't, but I'll keep it in mind.

What were your reads again?:
scum: pip, me, droog,egg (egg based on you misreading his overview).
1 in 4 as lucky shot only
town: mathilda, lowell(post lynch)

What were mine?
lets see, i pushed mathilda's counter-wagon
called 'if pip town (true very unlikely), scum mostly (if not exclusively) ON the wagon, of those OFF the wagon, Johnny and karnage would have probably hammered'

But sure, lets take your objectively superior reads as the damn good reason why you should ignore a friendly tip on how you can improve selling your reads.
(or stop defending an innocent townie into death-row)

I think you're missing my point.
I didn't get to explore my reads at all because you kept pushing on people that I knew were town.
My reads would have been considerably better if you'd given an ounce of trust to the strength of my Mathilda townread and let me explore other avenues.

Maybe I could have dealt with things better?
But you could have also just not lynched Mathilda. It's not Mathilda's fault she got lynched, and it's not mine.
It's town's. As a collective. And the people who actually voted her take the brunt of the blame, if there's blame to be had.

In post 1125, RadiantCowbells wrote:Your opinion.

I don't find that it's objectively true.

Good thing you don't find objective facts.

"But you could have also just not lynched Mathilda. "

I didn't, i pushed her counter-wagon.

But yes if somewhere in your statement "you were wrong about all your reads, i was not (therefore your statement, i might have hindered others in getting reads, is not useful)", you were trying to make the point, you did not get to explore your reads because people did not blindly trust you in a game where the core premise is to not blindly trust you. then i indeed missed your point.

I get my reads through poking and prodding people to see how they react.
I can't poke and prod people when town's ignoring me, my votes mean nothing, and the only people getting poked and prodded are people that I already know are town.
But this isn't about the game, I don't think.

you did not get to explore your reads because people did not blindly trust you in a game where the core premise is to not blindly trust you. then i indeed missed your point.

*shrug*
then we are at an impasse.

Happy Scumday RC!

Thank you!

In post 1132, RadiantCowbells wrote:I get my reads through poking and prodding people to see how they react.

So why were you branding people scummy for doing the exact same thing to someone THEY clearly do not have the right read on?

btw. i did not ignore you, i called you scummy (for making the above a valid question (and refusing to answer it))

In post 1129, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't get to explore my reads at all because you kept pushing on people that I knew were town.

this happened to almost all town
the entire game
it speaks to town disfunction or scum excellence

In post 1129, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't get to explore my reads at all because you kept pushing on people that I knew were town.

'i wasnt a better player and thats your fault'

did we get a scum qt?
id like to see how they saw it
i think they played pretty well

In post 1116, RadiantCowbells wrote:why do you think she was scum?

I can't even approach thinking that she's scum no matter what mental gymnastics I pull.

Nobody ever once made a proper case against me. They just expected me to do all the defending and make cases on other people no matter how much I was scum hunting. And whatever I said, confirmation bias kicked in.

As for Droog, I'll never play with him again. I can say in all honesty that he is the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot. No one else even comes close. If anyone else played town even a bit like him then they would get insta-lynched. It means that there is no way to determine Droog's alignment. Nor is he helpful in finding out who is scum even when he is town.

Trow was hunting scum but to be honest I couldn't understand what he was saying most of the time. My eyes sort of glazed over whenever I tried reading his disjointed terse stream of consciousness. It's why I didn't really answer his questions most of the time. I am sure he probably made some good points though.

Well done to Mafia, you played well and well done RC for spotting Egg and resisting town's confirmation bias.

In post 1115, droog wrote:not the way she argued me

When I was just copying and pasting to you, I was just doing what you were doing. But somehow everyone accepts it from you.

In post 1128, MrTrow wrote:
RC: do you know who shared the opinion (you managed to convince) Mathilda to let herself be lynched, rather than trying to actually talk to town?
Mathilda.
Or did you forget, she ended up self-voting?

RC didn't convince me to let myself get lynched. Nowhere did he even suggest it. It was solely my own decision and when RC bugged out I knew that I no longer cared enough to continue by myself.

This game was really, really odd. All the normal expectations of how Mafia should be played were turned on their head. Everything that was acceptable to do as a townie in any other game on this forum was deemed scummy (e.g being unsure whether we were lynching the right person or questioning whether scum was on the lynch wagon), and things that would get people lynched were shrugged off (i.e. Droog's entire play such as copying and pasting irrelevant responses, not making a case, not being able to explain your reads or why you stated something, or being caught out in a mistake or lie).

In post 1139, Mathilda wrote:As for Droog, I'll never play with him again. I can say in all honesty that he is the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot. No one else even comes close. If anyone else played town even a bit like him then they would get insta-lynched. It means that there is no way to determine Droog's alignment. Nor is he helpful in finding out who is scum even when he is town.

you say that
but your reads were just as bad
youre really just being rude

especially when other players
had no problems getting reads on me

In post 1141, Mathilda wrote:(i.e. Droog's entire play such as

copying and pasting irrelevant responses

,

not making a cas

e,

not being able to explain your reads

or why you stated something, or

being caught out in a

mistake or

lie

)

you can blame us for not wanting anything to do with you guys anymore all you like, but you didn't lynch any scum after we were gone.

so...

i am not calling this my best game
not by far
i think i have extenuating circumstance
but that doestn really matter to anyone

but dont pretend that your frustration
at a poor game
is somehow justly directed at disliking us personally

i really have nothing else to say
nothing against any of you personally
scum played a good game

thanks to marcrell for hosting

You're blaming the people who spoke up against town's horrible dogmatic tunneling on people who spoke up against the town circlejerk for having not swayed the town circlejerk into voting scum instead.

That's not how the game works.

If you guys managed to lynch scum after I was gone you'd have a case.

you didn't.

so I think that vindicates everything that both of us were saying.

this isn't a situation where it's justified for you to go and blame us when we were both victims of the blind tunneling of half of the town.