Newbie 1674: Fireworks! -- Game Over

[Frozen Angel]

I never said that. I said I already answered both questions in my wiki. why are you defending another person?

[aphix]

I'm sorry, but you expect someone completely new to the site to understand the meta of reviewing other people's past games? If you are town, that sounds like experience bias. If not, it's an easy way to string up an innocent person.

Huh ... There was implication FA didn't answer the questions, she provided the information where the answers are at ... And that become experience bias? Could you perhaps define that for me and explain where you are going with that?

[TurikoB]

why you think I didn't answered them?

and why are you nervous? you just confirmed it.

Yes, I am aware that you two know eachother, and even you three have some game history between yourselves. So you started with some sort of a head start. I know it isn't much, though. But I want to close this some sort of "information gap", and try to gather some information. That's why I wanted you to answer here. After all, we play in the thread and not on the wiki, aren't we?
You are right, that I am nervous. But this isn't the kind of nervousness you expect, I'm not nervous because my role, but because this is my first game. Being silent is a calm strategy, but not the way I'd like to play

In school, I only have time to defend myself or react shortly, so in general, except me to write longer posts in the afternoons.

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, I am aware that you two know eachother, and even you three have some game history between yourselves. So you started with some sort of a head start. I know it isn't much, though. But I want to close this some sort of "information gap", and try to gather some information. That's why I wanted you to answer here. After all, we play in the thread and not on the wiki, aren't we?

well why should I copy paste details of my wiki page here?! that make no sense! don't be lazy if you want meta check its all there.

You are right, that I am nervous. But this isn't the kind of nervousness you expect, I'm not nervous because my role, but because this is my first game. Being silent is a calm strategy, but not the way I'd like to play

In school, I only have time to defend myself or react shortly, so in general, except me to write longer posts in the afternoons.

hmm w8ing for more detail posts from you. how do you feel about ShockZephyr defense of you and Aphix response?

[TurikoB]

After reading through the posts so far, and also your Wiki page, I found 2,5 of your 3 answers. That means neither am I right (so I can't say you entirely missed to answer in thread), but nor you are (because 2,5 answers are still not 3 answers), so the base of this discussion is about nuances. In case you wondering, I have found, that you prefer playing mafia over the other roles, but I haven't found anywhere, why do you prefer it?

ShockZephyr came here earlier and defended me by his latest post. She might have an early suspicion, by saying you are able to bias me as an SE. I appreciate her defense, but I'm not 100% agreed with her. I do not think you are experience biasing me or string me up, or at least I'm not suspecting it for now. But I can always refer back to this if/when I start to feel there might be multiple suspicions around you.

Aphix's response: I agree that this conversation started as an implication between us, as not the most serious thing, at around the edge of the RVS. (I wonder, is RVS behind us already?) In my opinion, the game needed to start somewhere, and if it was by you and your bias, I don't mind, I feel like I can get over it. The way I will react to this in the future will depend on others' reactions. My opinion is that you don't want do bias my lack of experience, but that's only a gut feeling right now, which can change if others can convince me.

What do you think about these posts?

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.2

Frozen Angel

(2): ika, aphix

andreasgan

(1): Alita

TurikoB

(1): Frozen Angel

BadAtThisGame

(1): TurikoB

Not Voting

(4): Smithereens, ShockZephyr, andreasgan, BadAtThisGame

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-17 21:10:00)

[Frozen Angel]

why do you prefer it?

lol

that's a kind of hard question to answer. manipulation is fun.to me playing scum means manipulation.

But I can always refer back to this if/when I start to feel there might be multiple suspicions around you.

My opinion is that you don't want do bias my lack of experience, but that's only a gut feeling right now, which can change if others can convince me.

I don't like this. You find my post scummy or not scummy. there is no middle ground in mafia. standing in middleground and "I can get back to it" is a scum tell.

(I wonder, is RVS behind us already?)

there is no obvious borders for it. Usually trying to referring back to RVS is another scum tell. scums usually like to stay in RVS and lurk around as they don't like to see the game progressive.

I want shock to answer this first :

why are you defending another person?

and I like what aphix questioned about.

Note : As I think you guys are newbies I'm trying to explain everything 3X. if you need more explanations just ask me

Ika whats your reads so far?

[Smithereens]

Hi Frozen!!

[Smithereens]

@Ika
1) Semi. I've played about 5 games here and about a dozen elsewhere.
2) I don't really have a preference, I just like the game itself. It's the roles that I have preferences with.
3) I am the cult recruiter in this game. I'm not sure if you're expecting scum to answer this question differently to town, but that's the only reason I could see in you asking this. If that's the case, we're likely looking at more than a few mislynches before we get the game moving. Just imo.

VOTE: Alita

[Smithereens]

Smithereens replaces Goliath5, who failed to confirm.

Please welcome her!

Blatant disregard to an explicit mod instruction in this game. A mass mod-kill is in order me thinks.

[Alita]

. My opinion is that you don't want do bias my lack of experience, but that's only a gut feeling right now, which can change if others can convince me.

If you have a gut feeling you should probably go with it, if you start just letting other people dictate your actions you're just going to get used by scum.

Nice. Frozen is town.

Really? I mean I get that you guys know and have played together before but that seems really thin to just confidently call someone town already.

[ika]

yes. to elaboraate on my fast town read is that frozen is scum hunting a player that has pinged her.

Sorry for absence as well i have had a lot of work

[ika]

1) how experienced are you with mafia?
2) Would you rather be town or scum and why?
3) are you town?

oh and to answer my own.

1) i have a little over 3 years over a lot of sites.
2) contrary to popular belief, i would rather be scum
3) yes

[ika]

smitherines why did you decide to answer the 3rd question in a trolling manner?

[ika]

Turkio why are you so wordy about such things?

[aphix]

Smithereens replaces Goliath5, who failed to confirm.

Please welcome her!

Blatant disregard to an explicit mod instruction in this game. A mass mod-kill is in order me thinks.

We've already learned that everyone just disregards what insanity has to say.

Ika, why is smithereens answer more troll then some of the other answers you have gotten?

[ika]

smitherines answer seems overexpalintory

like its a partial "yes everyone is going to say they are town or troll answer" but dunno its weak i know but it just pings me

[insanity018]

Smithereens replaces Goliath5, who failed to confirm.

Please welcome her!

Blatant disregard to an explicit mod instruction in this game. A mass mod-kill is in order me thinks.

We've already learned that everyone just disregards what insanity has to say.

*modkills everyone and throws pity party*

[aphix]

I find both these posts above me acceptable.

[Smithereens]

smitherines why did you decide to answer the 3rd question in a trolling manner?

In response to both your posts: Yes. Exactly. My point exactly.

Whatever answer they give, you appear to have constructed in your mind what constitutes an acceptable town response. If the response doesn't match your preconception of what they should say, you go ahead and label them scummy. The problem is that it is so freaking obvious what you want to hear, that it's a bit beyond stupid to ask it in the first place.

For example, you thought I was being 'over explanatory.' However, as you'll discover in post game, no matter what people say in answer to your question you won't have any reliable indicator that allows you to determine affiliation. If you try utilize this attempt at analysis then all we will end up with is mislynches. As the IC, your opinion has significantly more weight in the minds of the other newbies. If you declare that a response indicates scum, when it really doesn't, we're going to end up with players who have crystaline and rigid views on what is scummy and not (as opposed to fluid and dynamic or case specific).

Imo, it's not a great way of eliciting responses, of course scum are not going to answer in a way that draws bad attention.

[Smithereens]

@insanity.

I don't remember signing up for a newbie game lol. I'll play since I'm here and love playing mafia, but I might've been intoxicated if I put my name down. I literally don't recall doing it >.<

[aphix]

Imo, it's not a great way of eliciting responses, of course scum are not going to answer in a way that draws bad attention.

So troll answers are a town tell?

[Frozen Angel]

Imo, it's not a great way of eliciting responses, of course scum are not going to answer in a way that draws bad attention.

So troll answers are a town tell?

are they scum tells?

[ShockZephyr]

Or are they null tells? That questionnaire seems useless to me.

[Alita]

Imo, it's not a great way of eliciting responses,

It might not be, but that's what it did, maybe not to the original question but this is pretty much all we've been talking about.