New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

hebichan · Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:17 am

In post 3099, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3087, RachMarie wrote:wait a minute I thought BP enabler meant he could make his scum budz BP against the vig? I really did not pay that much attention to it actually other than thinking oh great now some of the maf are BPs so we can't vig them.
There wasn't a mafia BP.

Town Enabler X -> Maf X
Maf Enabler Y -> Town Y

The question is if there is
Town Enabler X -> Maf X
Maf Enabler Y -> Town Y + Town Y or Town Y + SK Y

In post 3089, hebichan wrote:All I have against him was the mafia going after him, but performer was questioning you a lot before death.
I think Nero probably blocked me and then the SK kill was missing so thought I was SK hence the claim. He was wrong. There wouldn't be a kill in a number of situations - the SK shot Perf or Rach if it's you. It's also possible maf/sk shot the same target.

Perf was questioning due to knowing he was BP and Rach claiming BP. Do you think there are two town BP?
In post 3095, hebichan wrote:
In post 3094, RachMarie wrote:I am not going to hammer certainly not without getting a chance for Slan to speak after the site was down. I see no point in rushing.
It's things like this that make me more confident slandaar is Skype.

If you actually intend to vote me then I would like you to wait and let me vote first once I have decided who to vote. I am not confident right now on either of you but will have time on Sunday to read and make a decision.

You voting first would cause an issue for me if each was the sk, you voted me than rach quickhammered.

RachMarie · Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:48 am

Slan

I know because of the flips that there was no mafia BP , I meant my reaction when I saw a mafia BP enabler flip was oh great that means we could have mafia bps too, not that there definitely WERE. I would have rather had a town bp enabler. Then we would have had more town BPs to foil both the SK and the maf team.

RachMarie · Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:49 am

uggh I am definitely NOT going to quick hammer I do not want to vote until I am sure which one of you is the SK

hebichan · Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:22 pm

In post 3102, RachMarie wrote:uggh I am definitely NOT going to quick hammer I do not want to vote until I am sure which one of you is the SK

You say that, but one of you is the sk. So I can't really trust any to vote till I am sure.

Slandaar · Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:44 pm

In post 3100, hebichan wrote:You voting first would cause an issue for me if each was the sk

Yes, but that same issue occurs if you vote me first if Rach is the SK...

Slandaar · Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:47 pm

In post 3101, RachMarie wrote:I would have rather had a town bp enabler. Then we would have had more town BPs to foil both the SK and the maf team.

BP Enabler isn't/wasn't BP.

RachMarie · Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:50 am

No but a mafia one would have enabled his buddies is what I meant and turned them BP it is quite surprising that he did not take advantage of that.

hebichan · Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:01 am

In post 3106, RachMarie wrote:No but a mafia one would have enabled his buddies is what I meant and turned them BP it is quite surprising that he did not take advantage of that.

I'm very confused never want, what does this have to do with anything?

RachMarie · Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:07 am

Slan seemed to not get what I was trying to say.

There was a town vig, when I saw the flip of BP enabler being a MAFIA role, I was thinking great so he could make all the mafia players bullet proof.

Also meaning the SK even though at least at first, he would be pushing for townies I would think, would not be able to shoot the maf team members.

Luckily for us, the maf enabler dude must not have tried to use the power because none of the maf peeps came up with bullet proof when they flipped.

Not sure why someone of Slan's caliber is having so much trouble understanding my reasoning here though.

an enabler is someone who can make someone something in this case make someone bulletproof.

Slandaar · Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:23 am

In post 3108, RachMarie wrote:Slan's caliber is having so much trouble understanding my reasoning here though.

BP Enabler doesn't make the rest of the mafia BP.

All it does is mean anyone (any alignment) who is BP loses that ability when the Enabler dies. They have to be BP in the first place for the enabler to affect them.

You should probably lookup the role on the wiki as I don't think your understanding of the role is correct and my explanation is a bit eh.

In post 3101, RachMarie wrote:I meant my reaction when I saw a mafia BP enabler flip was oh great that means we could have mafia bps too

In relation to this:
BP Enabler was last maf to flip. You thought there was another mafia who was BP still alive after seeing that flip?

RachMarie · Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:25 am

oh that I was not aware of I thought it was you could enable someone sorry ok my bad

I am still here just a bit swamped with a couple work projects.

RachMarie · Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:33 am

I guess it was an exception in the game I was in where an enabler enabled without being dead.

hebichan · Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:59 am

Ehh my gut still says slandaar.
VOTE: slandaar

I shall end the chicken game to start the convince town slandaar is our man.

RachMarie · Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:41 am

I am going to do an iso read in a day or two when work load is a bit lighter and figure out which one. I can see pros and cons to both of you sigh

hebichan · Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:44 am

In post 3113, RachMarie wrote:I am going to do an iso read in a day or two when work load is a bit lighter and figure out which one. I can see pros and cons to both of you sigh

Slandaar has failed to vote despite saying he wiuld sunday, and he hasnt made a case for me, but now im certain you aren't sk and my theory about the mafia knowing he was was proven correct. You didn't hammer, so you are town. Just help town win here.

RachMarie · Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:46 am

that is a good point, just right now Im on deadline and it takes a while to do an ISO read.

I have to admit Im more looking at him than you, you do feel more towny, yet I had a town feel from him early on

I hate LYLO lol

hebichan · Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:48 am

In post 3115, RachMarie wrote:that is a good point, just right now Im on deadline and it takes a while to do an ISO read.

I have to admit Im more looking at him than you, you do feel more towny, yet I had a town feel from him early on

I hate LYLO lol

I can't say he didn't fool me, cause if he didn't we wouldn't be in lylo right now.

Axl_Rose · Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:35 pm

VC 7.00

hebichan (0)-

RachMarie (0)-

Slandaar (0)-

hebichan

(L-1)

Not Voting (2)-

RachMarie, Slandaar

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-07-18 20:00:00) - Jul 18th 19:00 GMT

Slandaar · Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:10 am

VOTE: Hebi

In post 3114, hebichan wrote:Slandaar has failed to vote despite saying he wiuld sunday, and he hasnt made a case for me, but now im certain you aren't sk and my theory about the mafia knowing he was was proven correct. You didn't hammer, so you are town. Just help town win here.

Yes, Yes. My plans changed.

I haven't made a case for you? What relevance does that have? was like 90% going to vote Rach but luckily you prevented that. Besides, I have actually made a 'case' for you.

It's pretty evident I'm not the SK, I have been read too town, chance of being nked would have been way too high to play the way I have.

In post 3112, hebichan wrote:to start the convince town slandaar is our man.

You could try to explain how you were so confident when Rach was claiming BP with a BP already flipped. Yeah.

RachMarie · Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:16 am

wb slan

now I have to figure out which one of you is lying

did I mention I hate LYLO lol

going to do some ISO diving

RachMarie · Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:17 am

Question for both of you

What made you pick the person you picked over me, and why

hebichan · Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:34 am

In post 3120, RachMarie wrote:Question for both of you

What made you pick the person you picked over me, and why

You seemed to be honestly trying to solve the game, and mafia was trying to kill slandaar under the guise of it being a good lynch despite how he was finding scum a lot. I thought it seemed pretty obvious they found sk early on and wanted to kill him off before lylo.

After seeing you play well today, my doubts were pretty cleared up. The only hang up I had was your claim, which you explained early on and slandaarnseemed to be trying to use to frame you in that back and forth you two had earlier.

hebichan · Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:40 am

In post 3118, Slandaar wrote:

VOTE: Hebi
In post 3114, hebichan wrote:Slandaar has failed to vote despite saying he wiuld sunday, and he hasnt made a case for me, but now im certain you aren't sk and my theory about the mafia knowing he was was proven correct. You didn't hammer, so you are town. Just help town win here.
Yes, Yes. My plans changed.

I haven't made a case for you? What relevance does that have? was like 90% going to vote Rach but luckily you prevented that. Besides, I have actually made a 'case' for you.

It's pretty evident I'm not the SK, I have been read too town, chance of being nked would have been way too high to play the way I have.
In post 3112, hebichan wrote:to start the convince town slandaar is our man.
You could try to explain how you were so confident when Rach was claiming BP with a BP already flipped. Yeah.

I wasn't all that confident. The fact you were left alive despite being so town and mafia trying to lynch you is super obvious on how you were bp serial killer and the mafia knew it. Hell, the fact you weren't nkd is actually a strike against you here. It only proves you weren't mafia.

Rach just seemed pretty confused all around on the bulletproof thing, and her saying that the mod probably screwed up pretty much sealed it for me that she was honestly a town bulletproof. I was still a bit shaky, but after a few days I felt you were the better lynch.

Slandaar · Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:17 am

In post 3120, RachMarie wrote:What made you pick the person you picked over me, and why

He was confirmed SK to me when I voted.

Slandaar · Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:09 am

In post 3121, hebichan wrote:You seemed to be honestly trying to solve the game, and mafia was trying to kill slandaar under the guise of it being a good lynch despite how he was finding scum a lot.

Yes, we have covered this a couple times already although I don't really feel I was finding the scum 'a lot' but anyways.

I agree Nero thought I was the SK. Makes complete sense. What happened is Hebi (SK) shot Perf/Rach when NC targetted me with an RB or maybe both shot same target etc. I see from your POV, Rach, that this is debateable but it shows the flaw in the argument and where Nero was wrong.

Hebi saved pushing this argument for today though instead of sorting it out yesterday. He hammered Fire without any real reasoning for him being SK to ensure he had an argument today which is actually alright if you ignore that the mafia can be (and were) wrong about who the SK is.

Note this:

In post 3121, hebichan wrote: I thought it seemed pretty obvious they found sk early on and wanted to kill him off before lylo.

If it was so obvious why did he vote Fire yesterday?

In post 3121, hebichan wrote: slandaarnseemed to be trying to use to frame you in that back and forth you two had earlier.

Mhmm. If I were the SK I would have just voted you earlier on off the back of my reads saying I was sure Rach was town. Two town BP is hard to believe so I was debating it.

In post 3122, hebichan wrote: I wasn't all that confident. The fact you were left alive despite being so town and mafia trying to lynch you is super obvious on how you were bp serial killer and the mafia knew it. Hell, the fact you weren't nkd is actually a strike against you here. It only proves you weren't mafia.

Well you sounded very confident and then you go on to say 'super obvious' in the next sentence.

Why are you saying I am BP? And I don't see how not being nked can possibly be a 'strike against' me. On D6 the day Nero claimed we had 1 death the night prior - DGB. This was not a vig shot so we know the mafia shot her based on Nero claiming as we can assume him claiming means SK kill is missing. The mafia therefore did not try to kill the SK. If I were the SK this means the mafia didn't choose to shoot me.