Changing signups to hydras

[zMuffinMan]

it'll be unfair on the fourteenth player if the fifteenth player who signed up later gets to play because he can find a hydra partner while the 14th can't

this seems like an incredibly fucking dumb reason to do this

[zMuffinMan]

i would say i'm interested in the answer to that question but i'm really not expecting much here

[zMuffinMan]

er, toomai's scenario is fucking stupid because in the scenario where f has to miss out to hydra with p, he just doesn't... Meaning the comparison is just O and P missing out vs just O

and no, this isn't unfair... O misses out either way anyway, so all you're actually doing is punishing P in the first scenario

[zMuffinMan]

i don't think anyone here needed an explanation about what the "jumping the line" thing means, the point is that O misses out in every scenario but P doesn't have to so, if anything, the current rule is unfair

[zMuffinMan]

why are the examples ignoring the fact that in the scenario where the rule is in place, F doesn't choose to hydra (because of the rule) and all of O P Q miss out...?

that doesn't strengthen the example at all, it just adds an extra player that doesn't change the actual point

literally all it's doing is punishing a player for no good reason. what is the point in punishing Q (or P in the original example)? because it's not fair that P and O (or just O in the original example) miss out? why? they miss out anyway...

[zMuffinMan]

so you came up with a scenario that only makes sense if f is going to flake... i mean i suppose that's a reason someone might want to hydra but i don't think it's anywhere near the most common reasons

realistically f chooses to not hydra with the current rule and O doesn't get the slot, though...

and your edge case isn't exactly black and white in terms of what is or isn't fair in that scenario