Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

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Vote: Dunn

Hello

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VOTE: jarjar

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Voting where i feel is correct. No, my initial vote on you was not rvs. I'll expand my thoughts when I'm back home.

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So reason I voted Dunn was relatively weak. 13 rubbed me the wrong way, did not like the tone of Dunn's voice very much. Also felt initially his push on Raskol was a bit forced. I'm sorta ambivalent now.

To explain the vote on JarJar, I'll quote two posts of his that made me FOS him.

Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.

Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.

This looks like setting up to me. Puts Yoshi on the back burner.

I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME

Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?

This defense on Dunn looks really forced.

With that said I also think that inspector's vote on Zach was scummy as fuck.

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Okay thanks for elaborating. That was a scum vote, because I was extremely boggled at why you'd vote someone on a non-alignment indicative factor.

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But the fact that you say it's a gut as opposed to actually pursuing a lynch on someone based on NAI tells makes me not FOS that vote anymore.

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On an off-topic side note, it's rather difficult to read the host's dark blue font with such a dark BG. If possible, I'd request a color change.

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I H8 that the only time I'm active is when it's night time for most people, due to me always working at night. ((( Doesn't give me much time to have direct 1 on 1s with people which kinda sucks, but oh well.

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What do you think of my read on JarJar?

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Well to each is his own. I'm happy with my vote.

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Also about 13, it was clearly sarcastic, and sarcasm doesn't translate well over text.

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Whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm ambivalent on you now.

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Well fine, I'll throw you a bone.

If you think my vote is "wasted" then who would be a better vote? Your vote right now is on Trivium and I don't feel obliged to vote for them right now. In your response to my read, you also mentioned that Yoshi was a scummier slot. Convince me that Yoshi is a better lynch than what I'm on right now.

I am willing to listen tor reason here if you genuinely feel my vote isn't good.

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I regret clicking the spoiler buttons because I was somewhat convinced you were at least gonna make me think about changing.

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Well to each is his own. I'm happy with my vote.

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What if, I said Trivium was towntelling and didn't want to vote them. Hell, you yourself said that Trivium made a towntell.

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Guess it's too early to try to talk about reads in depth then

Unless you want my read on Raskol being town because I can go in depth there

More or less I agree on that department. However, I'd love to agree with you about scum as opposed to town. Right now, we're compleptely opposites. And that's to be expected. We're all not gonna play the same linear game and acquire the same linear reads. Your sr's are Blue Yoshi and Trivium. My only real fos is Jar Jar. You tr my fos, I tr your fos. And your other fos, I entirely null read, I made nothing of their posts. You're probably right, there's not enough content to correctly formulate accurate reads this early.

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But hey, putting a vote up on something that catches your attention is a good place to start, IMO.

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Also about the discussion about the whole 10-3 thing, I think it's inevitable there's at least one scum PR. The setups on this website are usually balanced with distribution of town and mafia pr's. I don't think town or scum would receive an advantage over the other.

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You also have to keep in mind that mathematically it doesn't make sense. Scum are in the minority so at a glance, 10 vs. 3 looks townsided. Now keep in mind every time scum survive a lynch they eliminate (assuming no assassin/vig power from either alignment and assuming the kill goes through eg. no RB, doc save, hit bp etc.) two town numbers with the power of lynch and kill. Say hypothetically town gets lynched and one town dies at night. The mafia now sit in an 8 vs. 3 scenario. The numbers go down fast since mafia can easily eliminate numbers. Keep in mind that while scum are in the minority, they have advantages that town don't have which are just part of the game. For instance, they're an informed minority who know each others' identities and roles.

TL;DR 10-3 is balanced.

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As for epicmafia, it's a whole different ballgame. The ranked setups range from 7-10 people and the setup is always open. The closest you'll get to closed is you'll get a maximum of six possible setups with different roles in them. And as a regular ranked EM player, there's quite a few day start setups. Sometimes, scum don't even know who their partners are if the game starts on day, unless there's a dawn mode, where all roles have a n1 action/meeting but they are nullified. Anyways, usually mafia's goal is to hit pr's at night as opposed to hitting towny people, like people do here. The reason is, the town prs are usually clear if they're uncc'd and are a dependable source. Town can claim pr on this website, but their claim isn't instantly credible due to the setup being closed. And keep in mind a pr can be uncc'd and still be mafia since there's HUNDREDS of power roles in this fun little game we all call mafia.

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BTW if we're announcing preliminary townreads, I'll announce my first townread on inspector.

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The Bert makes me laugh legit every time.

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I like your posts. If you want, I can make a long post like Dunnstral and say "I like this post" after every quote. I personally hope this suffices.

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What......

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Fair enough
It does for now, you cant have enough info yet to put down clear reasons, but i will ask you this question again later on, i hate being read as something by just 'i like ur posts'

Your tone is towny. Plus I don't think you're forcing tells, all the tells you've given appear genuine. If you really want me to go into specifics, I can. But overall I don't see anything scummy about you (after your vote on Zach ofc).

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I literally cannot tell if Tommy's vote was RVS and he hasn't read the game at all or if he has read the game and acknowledged the Dunn-Zach interactions because that was the most ridiculous reason I've seen someone getting voted for in pretty much my entire life.

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I know

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I'm 90% sure Tommy just RVS'd even though we've escaped that phase.

From experience, I find it hard to get 1 on 1 interactions with people as schedules we have with our real lives conflict with each others'. By 1 on 1 interactions I don't mean interactions that are done over the course of a couple of days, I mean interactions that are made within seconds of each other.

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I mean his vote, in hindsight, looks shitty, but there's a chance he literally clicked the thread, looked at playerlist, didn't read a word, and voted someone randomly. I have no idea what his intentions were with his vote, and won't know until Monday.

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I actually don't find his vote suspicious, maybe at most coincidental. Also, looking at the vote log, Rask was the leading bw. Not defending this guy per se, just not getting the suspicion given to him because it all reads null to me.

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It's coincidental to me because Dunn-Zach had interactions. I don't think him saying sock puppets playing against their win condition has anything to do with that. However, I don't actually understand the context of that post. I laughed for legitimately 2 minutes because it was so ridiculous.

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Personally I think you're over-analyzing but eh.

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Hi- I was at work, I didn't have the time or desire to make a long post on mobile. I gave all my thoughts after I got home.

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As for the rask thing, that's not why I'm voting you. I'm voting you due to the reads and defense you gave, which doesn't look genuine. And right now, you're literally asking me to build my case on you? My fos on you is nothing strong either. Why are you trying to encourage me to fos you more?

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@Yoshi sorry you didn't like 200-201. I was just explaining in depth the mechanics of this website in comparison to others. I disagree that those posts were my heaviest ones though.

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Dead dumb game

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I'm trying as hard as I can over here

Gonna need like 5 replacements or something or everyones just late to the party

Zach let's lynch bacde, what say you?

This isn't a serious post, right?

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Don't even ask me that because I don't have one

Ask me it later

Kushmountains was in here but only said "hi jar jar" or something so that's pretty annoying

Why does this annoy you?

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I'm exceedingly more happy with my vote because I just realized that not only did JarJar suggest me to to strengthen my fos on him, but he also told me to appeal to his scumread to gain votes on him. I don't understand this at all?

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A change of tone has been noted for Blue Yoshi.

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VOTE: drmyshotty

still kinda want jar but let's see where this goes

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Don't like that you're being super neutral. You haven't offered your reads on anything except talking about punctuation. And several people including myself have asked you to offer something to help us out. Figured, if kind requests to offer content were ignored, a vote would be the next best step.

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With that said i don't scum read you, I'm just not gonna let you skate through this game being a giant wall flower.

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Thanks for elaborating yourself there, JarJarDrinks. I misinterpreted what you said pretty hard I think. Nah, I didn't scumread your push on Rask, it was pretty null. I scumread the two posts that I mentioned.

Can you offer some content, like perhaps some reads you have outside of me? I know you gave initial reads, but the game has progressed, and I want to see where your stance is now.

PEDIT: LMFAO at shotty thinking he doesn't deserve the votes he's getting

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man

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That vote looks pretty weak because you're voting him based on a reads list. Especially given that it's his first game on the site. Did you not take that into account? It's not expected for a new player to give a really good read list the first time they attempt to do so imo. ISO them more closely, read their reactions to other people's posts. Tell me if you'd still like to keep your vote there, but that vote looked opportunistic as fuck given the reasons you provided.

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I personally lean on it being a newbtown list given, that he's been towny throughout the rest of the game.

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tone, and his participation doesn't look forced it looks genuine.

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Cheerio! Nice to see content from Tommy and Bacde. Tommy, thanks for clarifying the sock-puppet thing. Tommy's reads look pretty good. As for Bacde, I like his tone thus far and his reads seem to parallel quite a bit with mine. And I'm ecstatic he made a vote on JarJar. I've wanted him lynched all game but there's been so much disagreeance from everyone else and no momentum whatsoever. I have been incredibly displeased with him all game. As of recently, I have very much disliked his push on inspectorscout. It's not a matter of me disagreeing with him, it's a matter of me thinking his push is scummy. My vote on drmyshotty as mentioned before was basically a pressure vote. Got nothing from it, whatever. Didn't really scumread him. Gonna put my vote on a slot I actually do scumread.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

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Also I'm not super pleased with Rask lately. Looks like his vote on drmyshotty is a bit opportunistic. Something feels off about his content as well.

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And now my read list, Ranger style.

{inspector}
{Trivium, Dunn}
{Zach, Tommy, Bacde}
{Blue Yoshi, Lowell, nnn, shotty}
{Raskolnikov}
{JarJar}

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And now my reads, Transcend style!!!

1. Transcend
2. inspectorscout

3. Dunnstral
4. Trivium

5. Zachstralkita
6. Bacde
7. Tommy

8. Blue Yoshi
9. drmyshottyizsik (sp?)

10. Raskolnikov

11. JarJarDrinks

Lowell and nnn not included since I have no read on them whatsoever.

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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFASDLFSDFLSDHFLSDHFSLDFHSDFLKSDJFSDLFKJSDFSDJLKFJSDLFKSDJF can the mod fix my quote error lol

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I think if people would just sheep me this game would be a lot easier.

In my two Newbie games, I pegged mafia d1 and not one damn person listened to me.

Inspector: Do something useful and put your vote on JarJar sheesh.

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Correction: 2 people listened to me, then got lynched

s/o to Killthestory and Icy

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K nice, stop commenting on useless shit and put your vote somewhere, perhaps, on JarJar.

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STOP BEING FUCKING USELESS

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=_=

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Can people get off jarjar

Wish granted.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

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He's legitimately just null, dude.

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VOTE: shotty
Bussed so hard! Wait...
VOTE: raskol
Serious vote that post was 100% AtE

His RVS vote, NAI

Please, gently.

And more AtE wow RVS ended fast

NAI

RVS is over everyone pile onto Raskol as you join the thread

^^

Two arrows, so fucking scummy, right?

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.
VOTE: Zach

This vote isn't scummy. I don't agree with it though.

you wanna say I'm town but in your top 3 scum? which is it?

A little bit scummy, but you're saying this candidate is the scummiest out of everyone in the game.

thats why i said WANT TO SAY cause I can't SAY for sure & if this is the extent of what you're gonna do for us then I'd rather lynch. But it's okay. We got all day.

Do you typically want to lynch people you don't have a proper read on and may be leaning toward them being town?

NAI line.

Zach, yes, you have a reason to hate my reads, mainly because they arent worth anything yet. Yes, i do post a lot, but that is because i want to mobilise the other townies, only little real discussion has happened so far. Does that mean im scum? I dont see the reasoning behind that tbh.
You seem to be the only one loving triv's posts, but not going to get into that because im neutral to them. drmy is nullscum to me, btw. He still didnt reply to my question about that vote on you
Thank you for your reads, im glad you kept ur meming to the bare minimum this time

I wasn't even sure you were speaking English in that post, what is your question

Asks what the question was...

Wat drmy why is saying 'i hate those posts' scummy? The 'if x then y' is rather a scum thing to do because its just giving 'info' that everyone already knows = fillers, so why vote for him based on just that? He is right about those posts being annoying

Im pretty sure the first line was a question.

Zach, yes, you have a reason to hate my reads, mainly because they arent worth anything yet. Yes, i do post a lot, but that is because i want to mobilise the other townies, only little real discussion has happened so far. Does that mean im scum? I dont see the reasoning behind that tbh.
You seem to be the only one loving triv's posts, but not going to get into that because im neutral to them. drmy is nullscum to me, btw. He still didnt reply to my question about that vote on you
Thank you for your reads, im glad you kept ur meming to the bare minimum this time

I wasn't even sure you were speaking English in that post, what is your question

Yes, that was english. If something is unclear, ask me.

I'll ask a second time, what is your question?

Asks for the question... again...

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.
VOTE: Zach

Why is this a scum claim? 'If ur x then y' posts ARE annoying and they ARE scummy since they express a fact, rather than an opinion - oh, that is convenient, scum hates giving opinions because they have a harder time finding valid reasons to accuse someone of being scum. Posts like that are fillers, empty posts that have words in them but dont bring progress. Then my question is: why is saying that so scummy?

It is very scummy to point out that something wasn't a scum claim. Town wouldn't even think to post that! Paranoid scum post that.

Decent line.

Hey inter, I like ! And even

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are you really pushing an exclamation mark as a scum tell?

zzz

I dont know if you read what i said or just read half of it and thought 'is that even english', but im not basing my scum tell on an exclamation mark. I just said that it makes posts feel forced and extremely thought out, which is something small that triggers me, especially if i think someone is leaning to scum

Your sarcasm isn't helping you. Nor is the fact that you just confirmed that with no subjective precedent you think that me using an exclamation mark is a scum tell...!

Useless talk about exclamation marks. Not scummy, just filler.

VOTE: drmyshotty

still kinda want jar but let's see where this goes

Let's, reason please?

Asks for reasons on a vote...

I'm back.
Just from the skim I'm voting this, going to proper catchup soon.
VOTE: drmy

Where is this coming from? Even off a skim?

Asks for reasons on a vote... Again??

oh I definitely won't be reading page 1-16 in it's entirety.

Then replace out.

Null line.

So I iso'd literally all of Shotty's posts, and you think this is the scummiest candidate? Tell me something I'm missing if you think this slot is scummy. It just looks like you're being opportunistic towards this guy. And then your vote on Blue Yoshi is also ick.

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Actually I am wondering how you aren't scumreading drmy this game.

I'm still waiting on a reason that you are.

can you give a scumread or something... Jesus..

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ok

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So I iso'd literally all of Shotty's posts, and you think this is the scummiest candidate? Tell me something I'm missing if you think this slot is scummy. It just looks like you're being opportunistic towards this guy. And then your vote on Blue Yoshi is also ick.

He's been popping in the whole game throwing shade at people and asking lazy questions.
Mostly from a motivational standpoint I see him intentionally being useless/active lurking; no followup on the questions or conclusions drawn or really any pushing.
No evidence to suggest he's figuring the game out and with half of his questions being on fluff and dumb technical-details I really doubt it's a priority either.

I'm happy with my vote.

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Well honestly, I was expecting an answer with something pertaining to his vote on Zach, which pretty much was the only alignment indicative thing he's done all game. You stated that you thought his vote on Zach was bad and scummy. I wanted to hear what you felt was scummy about it. But you said nothing. You were just pushing on him for being inactive and "throwing shade" which is not a genuine town push.

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Okay, I did the same thing. I pressured him for being inactive and got nothing out of it. But you're saying he's your top scumread just for being inactive. And I brought up that you said his vote on Zach was bad, and you've said nothing about that. Personally, I think if your fos on him has any value it would be for the supposed "bad vote" but you've done nothing to tell me why that was a bad vote. Therefore your push just looks opportunistic and feigned.

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I am trying to understand your fos here, I'm giving you benefit of the doubt, maybe there's something I'm missing. And I've given you something to help your case. But with 3 posts you have ignored what I have asked from you. I think you're scum, which is why my vote lies where it is, but obviously I'm not gonna just blind-tunnel you without giving you a chance to change my mind.

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Simply put scum generally don't play with balls like this. Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego and because town lying for reactions is hard to tell apart from scum lying for malicious purposes.

drmy's jump on is pretty shit though.

Here, you also disliked drmy's jump on your OWN BANDWAGON was bad. But nope, gotta lynch him cause he's lurking!!!

Eat rope imo.

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replace the word disliked with thought

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See when you say stuff like that it makes your fos look more legitimate as opposed to just "lurking and throwing shade". But I think you've made a lot of questionable plays this game and my vote still stands for the time being.

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Here, you also disliked drmy's jump on your OWN BANDWAGON was bad. But nope, gotta lynch him cause he's lurking!!!

Eat rope imo.

Interesting your mindset is so into lynching at this point as opposed to wagoning and applying pressure, especially given the current gamestate.

You can't say that. I've pressured/wagoned people this game. I'm just in a more aggressive mood right now so my tunnel on you is more harsh as opposed to others.

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Rask, if I had a gun to my head right now, I'd lynch you. Given that's not the case, I applied pressure to you by having you explain your reads which didn't make sense to test and see if they were legitimate reads on your behalf or you were speaking out of your ass. My stance on you is literally the same as yours on shotty, perhaps just a bit more aggressive. You were failing to explain yourself several times which to me looked like I caught you BSing a read, hence where the "eat rope" line came from.

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I wasn't saying you were lynch happy either. I was saying that your read made no sense and I wanted you to elaborate on it a bit more, because it looked like a scummy, opportunistic read.

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Okay lynch was incorrect word choice. "Vote" or even "fos" would've been a more suitable word in place of it.

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Anyways: People were V/LA for Memorial Day most likely. The ante for this game and its content should be upped a bit. Kudos to everyone for not replacing out yet.

PEDIT: Fine. VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Still don't feel good about Rask but this needs pressure.

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^ was wondering the same thing ^

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the fuck did you do to the page

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dayvig: JarJarDrinks

moving on

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VOTE JAR JAR

Sup alpaca your posts fucking suck.

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Oops forgot to bold lol

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See alpaca I disagree, I think day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands. After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

This post is longer than every other post you've made in this thread combined.

Rask and jar are distancing imo.

Nnn is meh.

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Ok so that took longer than expected especially because I took a break part way through but I am here now.

Here are my feelings so far in a nice pretty(no actually) read list.

Bacde (null+) - I have never played with someone who bases reads off of tones and emotion so I want to see how that works out. Overall I thought his jump on JarJar at first was iffy especially because not doing anything explicitly town doesn't make you scum it may just make you a bad town, but than later he explains everything nicely and his jump makes a whole lot more sense, however I would love to hear your thoughts on more than just JarJar even if its to say you think everyone else is town since you have basically only talked about JarJar so far (well never mind he just explained his other reads) (null+)

Shotty (null-) - You don't seem to have done that much this game with your only seemingly real vote being for pressure but that was it. You do say that it isn't your playstyle to post reads until later but its always nice to know what other people are thinking and also just not posting much of anything of substance is kind of iffy in my opinion (null-)

Dunn (null++) - Liking the content here, questions for days and some nice analysis, love the spoiler tags over large quoting and analysis so I think wow this page isn't long than BAM! double the length, a truly good surprise. I am getting town reads from him in the way he has been looking at the other players (null++)

Scout (null+) - So if it helps if I were scum and it were night right now you wouldn't even make the short list of people I would like to kill so don't hold yourself back over posting in fear of getting night killed its important to get your opinion out there. I think that you have some flowing reads which is nice nothing seemed super out of sorts in your line of logic and your also fully willing to defend yourself instead of not responding or shrugging things off which is much more scummy in my opinion. (null+)

JarJar (null) - Ok so I might be blind since its a pretty popular opinion right now but I am not seeing super scum JarJar, apparently he is just following main flow but his latest read list seems mostly original aside from I suppose reading Dunn as town which seems to be pretty popular but than does that make me scum for thinking Dunn is town, its popular for a reason. I don't think he has done anything to make himself super town in my opinion but he also isn't super scummy either. (null)

Low (null) - Well I don't really have much to say here... Moving along (null)

Mountain (null) - So he mostly seems to talk about JarJar in a positive light and his read on yoshi being not scum that is about it would love to see more content such as views on other people. I would also recommend reading back but if you don't than I expect more from you in the future, though for now I will except your laziness as an excuse for not posting other reads, but not forever. (null)

Rask (null+) - Hey Rask long time no see! I take most of what he says at the beginning to be not serious and jokes and only when he says he is really starting the game am I taking his posts seriously. He seems to be talking a teaching role in trying to get the game started at the beginning but i really didn't like his whole "lynching me D1 is totally fine" thing but than later I liked his analysis on Shotty and he seemed a lot more town in how he actually went around things. (null+)

Tommy (null) - I am really not too sure on Tommy I am not getting much of a feel from his posts at all though I thought that his hypothesis on Zach and Dunn was pretty funny. More thoughts to come but nothing comes to mid right now. (null)

Transcend (null+) - I like his thoughts and his one on one with Rask, he stuck with his vote for a long time defending himself and I see a general town mindset here and not a scummy one. (null+)

Trivium (null) - Many posts not much substance, however not much scummy activity. He pulled the newbie card which I would buy if he hadn't joined in 2015. He is just kind of null in my books until future notice (null)

Zach (null+) - Loving the sarcastic images 10/10 please continue. I honestly don't think that scum would be this pushy and sarcastic, however in all honesty you should chill on the jokes and the snippy comments since in certain contexts it could end up seeming scummy. (null+)

Wow that took me like an hour and a half of looking through ISO's. Forgive me for not quoting anything yet I don't like massive quote walls in my read list, especially when its 20 pages worth of possible analysis, but this is my current feelings for the game. Also as you go from top to bottom I get more and more tired so my analysis of players at the bottom of my list is probably just plain bad or basic since I was just skimming ISO's at the end.

Yes to make better posts, don't blatantly manufacture reads like this.

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See alpaca I disagree, I think day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands. After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

This post is longer than every other post you've made in this thread combined.

Rask and jar are distancing imo.

Nnn is meh.

Difference in computer posts and posts during meetings

You've been in a lot of meetings then :p

Would you vote jar with me?

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Jar: Rask.

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Maybe nnn or alpaca as well.

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I've stated these reads several times, jar. For someone who town tags me, you're doing a whole lot of not reading me. Which means i doubt you actually tr me and are trying to gain favor from me.

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Town reads*

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Inform me how my strongest tr which is your biggest sr parallels our reads.

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The only sr we agree on is rask and you said nothing about my push on him so i just feel like you're distancing him.

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Ok, Transcend is town, Dunn is town, inspectorscout is town

JarJar is scum

Vote: JarJar

lets do this

See alpaca I disagree, I think day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands. After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

This post is longer than every other post you've made in this thread combined.

Rask and jar are distancing imo.

Nnn is meh.

Difference in computer posts and posts during meetings

You've been in a lot of meetings then :p

Would you vote jar with me?

I'm not huge on sheeping I don't know to be great players, no offence, but for the sake of pressure I sure will.
VOTE: fos jar

And yes, I am a very busy man. Lots of meetings

Missed this earlier

Zach, why so arrogant?

If you are town you should care about our opinions

Hey scout, if you think "If X then Y" posts are scummy then should we scumread you for this?

So, you avoid my previous statement and now come back to this. Oh, and you missed something: i was the guy that said those posts are NOT scummy. Honestly, this post just feels like ''I have nothing to say anymore so i reread his iso to find stuff and now i have this omg look'' I've had enough of your 'suspicion' based on reasons that arent even true. next time you ask me something, read what i wrote before and/or read my answer.

VOTE: jarjar

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Raskol and Zach vote for drmyshottyizsik

Transcend you need to get off jarjar and look at what drmyshotty is doing

Go ahead and tell me what he's doing because what I believe he's doing is voting my FOS that I've had pretty much throughout the whole game, that other people refuse to vote.

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the thing that's is you jumping on a vote that's heavily influenced by scum (jarjar, raskolnikov)

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wait: hang on... transcend to earth- am i getting signals of dunnstral reading the prominent leaders of this bw as town.. over??

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earth to transcend- yes we are receiving such signals at line 593 we'll be working on fixing this as soon as possible. over.

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lol jarjar so townie.

I like .. don't see it. But I wanna give you botd since you have some form of meta with JJD and apparently can read him. I genuinely scumread this slot. Tell me why I'm wrong. And not just wrong but horribly wrong since he's been a confident townread of JJD the whole time.

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of yours* i should stop posting at 5 am

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Hey nnn_kushthemountains thanks for answering my question! Your feedback was so helpful!

this would be something i might've said if you actually answered the question

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VOTE: lowell

Discuss.

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Actually voting a V/LA slot is probably not a good idea

But I really didn't like his posts

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I mean I literally don't know what happened. I fall asleep and when I wake up the fucking bulletproof is lynched. None of you are extremely at fault but that was pretty ridiculous he gave up as town PR.

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If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1. I do think however that nnn's defense on Jar is awkward though.

Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.

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Not too happy with Tommy's initial push on nnn either. If nnn is town then there's a decent chance Tommy can be mafia that's taking a push on the easy lynch as scum.

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Reads rn

{scout}
{Trivium}
{Bacde, Zach}
{nnn, Alpaca, Tommy}
{Lowell, JarJar, Raskol}

I need to simplify my scumreads, I have too many potential scum candidates. I'll probably cook up some isos eventually.

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I mean I literally don't know what happened. I fall asleep and when I wake up the fucking bulletproof is lynched. None of you are extremely at fault but that was pretty ridiculous he gave up as town PR.

and

aw snap i forgot about claims

that said im not for lynching kush

Who do you want to lynch? Perhaps, give a reads list?

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i can possibly get behind that.

can you post a reads list?

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Sure, I'm willing to give him BOTD.

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Actually, my vote is useless.

VOTE: Tommy

Explain to me, why you think that nnn's hammer is indicative of him being mafia and that it isn't just you being super opportunistic on easy town lynch.

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Tommy is literally saying nnn is scum for hammering a slot he voted.

"Hey I fosed this guy but you put the nail in his coffin so you're scum lol lol lol"

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VOTE: Tommy

Hello

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That was a really good vote on your part and maybe I'm wrong about you.

Look at my big blue eyes, Raskolnikov. Are you town?

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I'm moderately convinced, if only for the tilde.

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I did tr your reaction to Dunn's bw, but I felt that you used that as town brownie points. I didn't like your actions, such as voting shotty and pursuing that lynch as hard as you did. I'm still kinda blah about it, but there's more scummy candidates than you at this point. (Ex: Tommy, Lowell, JarJarDrinks)

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Actually no neither of them are good. Looking over tommy I see no reason to vote him at all. I null read him, but a quick glance over his ISO says a lot. I think he's town and Transcend is weird coming out of the gate tryna lynch my townreads.

Can you explain why you townread Lowell and why you feel my vote on him is weird?

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So you think I'm scum because my reads don't parallel with yours?

I honestly think you're town, and not to be egotistical at all, but the fact that you voted me probably strengthens my townread on you. I just have no idea how you're getting the reads that you're getting.

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Well lemme explain my scumread on him. I felt his vote on the shotty lynch was pretty weak. And, I don't like that he said I was town because I called Alpaca out on his "junk posts". I think if I were to get read as town, it would be for something else, so I feel like he didn't actually read me and just cherry-picked one of my posts and said it was town. It doesn't look genuine to me.

PEDIT: I don't tr nnn, I just don't want to lynch him solely for QHing. I think that Tommy's insta-push on him for voting a slot that he vote doesn't look genuine. Nnn is more or less a conditional townread? Like if Tommy flipped scum then Nnn would probably be town. There's nothing at all to townread nnn off of at all.

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The way you're reacting to other people voting with you right now also resonates as scum to me. You're too willing to say other people are town to do it, and your questioning of Tommy twists his words around. He asked if Kush gets a pass on quickhhammering because he was ignorant, he didn't tell you he thinks it was indicative of him being mafia, and he certainly didn't try to propagandize what he was saying like the way you make him sound.

Like I said, I'm being egotistical. I can't see you being scum voting me because I feel I'm pretty obvious town this game, and I think scum wouldn't lynch me. You're just being misguided town. I don't think I twisted his words, because he said that nnn was "at fault". Which, to me reads as a soft push towards him being mafia.

Kush quickhammered a townie, is that a problem to you?

Not really. QH's are NAI.

If you were town you would have explained your scumread on him before somebody voted you for it.

I really hate bronies lol.

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VOTE: alpacaalpaca

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vote jarjar

I'm also willing to vote for nnn

As one of the only decent players in the game, I want your opinion on my reads.

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In my opinion I am currently scum reading Kush since as far as I can tell he is either scum or impulsive town, and I wouldn't want either in the endgame.

So, basically, you're saying you don't actually have a scumread on him, you just think he's anti-town. This kinda looks like you're using nnn as a scapegoat tbh.

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I really need to stfu and ISO people because I have way too many fucking scumreads.

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And my top two townreads are legitimately useless. I want someone to be power town with me!!!!!!

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vote jarjar

I'm also willing to vote for nnn

As one of the only decent players in the game, I want your opinion on my reads.

Are you saying that I'm decent or that you are decent

lol

I'll look at them tomorrow probably, I got stuff tonight!

i was calling you decent because your reads parallel with mine, and i know i'm good.

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I won't lynch inspector, but I'd love to hear your reasons that you feel are different from mine to voting Tommy.

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Hey transcend- stop trying to pull the obvious town card. I mean wow, I'm seeing scum just blatantly say they are incredibly townie, with no support. Why don't you actually back it up? The only person in this game that I would be completely against lynching at really any point is Dunn, and I'm sure we can all agree as to why. Why wouldn't you lynch inspector? What has inspector done that is so townie to you that you wouldn't lynch him? I swear, next time I play as mafia, I'm going to quickhammer town and claim ignorance ASAP because apparently that's not alignment indicative.

you're garbage.

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Anyways I don't really care about VI's vote on me, no one will follow him so I don't really give a fuck.

Now, what would be nice is if one of my scumreads could be lynched instead of someone that was entirely null all fucking game and flipped PR.

VOTE: Tommy

putting my vote here again. i like the current votes on him.

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1. Transcend (savior of this game)
2. inspectorscout (defintion of newbtown. i plan to make an iso on why this guy is town because people seem to be doubting me on this one.)
3. Trivium (in a perfect world this slot gets vig killed because i can't be fucked having this idiot in the game, but his tone and actions probably suggest he's town. he's definitely not scum pushing a lynch on me, he's just bad.)

4. Zachstralkita (don't agree with most of the reads he has. I like his tone this game though, and his vote on Tommy is pretty good.)
5. Bacde (Me and him are on the same page this game which is good. As for Bacde himself, I don't think he's scum candy-coating my reads because his tone suggests he's town. His reactions look fairly genuine throughout the course of this game. Plus he's fairly consistent with his reads.

6. Raskolnikov (Moving this slot to null since I feel I misinterpreted some of their posts regarding their stance on Shotty. Their tone overall this game has been towny, and gains towny points for voting Tommy.)
7. nnn_thekushmountains (As you all know, I make nothing of his quickhammer. I have him null right now because I like his tone quite a bit, but I have asked for him to explain his defense on JarJar being town, and he hasn't yet.)

8. AlpacaAlpaca (His posts piss me off quite a bit. They do look a bit manufactured, and his tone feels off.
9. Lowell (null-scum because he really hasn't given us much to work with, but I really do not feel good about his vote on shotty and then townreading me because of the callout of alpaca's posts.)

10. Tommy (I think that he's had a very bad day so far, and his insta-push on nnn screamed scum to me. Also, his reaction to Zach's vote doesn't look genuine either.)
11. JarJarDrinks (He communicates with me in a way that he KNOWS I'm town. I still don't like the associations he's made with people. And has been fairly neutral for the whole game which I don't like except for a really awful vote on inspector over a reads list.)

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Really? Isn't the first thing you do D2 is checking if there is a nightkill/who got nightkilled? Even if that was a genuine townslip I'd rather PL than having him here but w/e.
@Trivium: I swear when a townie gets killed by your wagon, I'll do everything I can to get you dead.
UNVOTE: Trivium

Ok try and convince me of others, since I have yet to see jarjar. Im not joining tommy wagon because i dont think hes scum, i iso'd him, hes not really active but he does try to nfind out 'why' all the time, and he did give opinions that didnt look like they were random

if i were openly gamethrowing i'd grudgelynch trivium with you lol.

wanna vote jarjar?

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Can I reiterate my Tommy read?

I don't think him asking nnn to explain himself was scummy. I just don't like his word choice by saying that he was "at fault" for lynching the same slot he did.

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Also, I've probably made at least 100 posts on this website within the past 48 hours or so. I think I need to take a break for like one day. Ciao.

UNVOTE:

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I'm legitimately tempted to sub out if you all lynch my confident tr.

Prodge.

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Will respond to shit when i get home

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VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.

Why wouldn't you lynch inspector? What has inspector done that is so townie to you that you wouldn't lynch him?

Smooth transition. Please die.
VOTE: Trivium

Very good observation, but I don't agree with it. inspector has had a keen eye on this game the whole time and I have no idea why his slots being lynched.

Also that colored reads list is pretty close to a scum claim from Transcend

Eh

I think transcend is mafia and inspector is trying to lynch me because it's easy to seem like he's town who thinks I'm dumb or whatever. And for everybody's information, I actually didn't notice who died. What are you going to do about it, lynch me? I think for trying to lynch me for something like that, inspector scout goes way down into my scumreads.

Think of an alternate name for a sandwich
Think of the opposite of in

Follow suit.

Also that colored reads list is pretty close to a scum claim from Transcend

Why?

According to my calculations there's a 70% chance that he just used colors to make himself try and look town


there is a small 30% chance that the colors are completely irrelevant

It's 30%. The colors are NAI. I've done colored reads in other games to designate tiers.

Was gonna leave catchup for tomorrow but not much happened I think.

Transcend unvoting scumread for day off would normally be weird but he's obvtowned this game and there was that quickhammer

Inspectorscout misrepping trivium there; townreading someone and questioning someone else townreading them is NOT contradictory or scummy unless done in a scummy manner. I think scout uses this as lazy vote justification but what feels weird is that it sounds confident and not like the scout who was giving newbtown vibes earlier. Attacking the townslip feels like exaggeration; I would say hey this is probably not a townslip, I wouldn't go the other way and say it's 100% faked impossible to be a townslip. Looking back scout hates trivium though so this might be tunnelling or confbiasing from him, admittedly not paid scout much attention this game. Townread triv tho so don't want this push succeeding.

Still hate all the lamist reasoning I'm seeing everywhere.

Tommy revisit
Tommy's super reserved and argues well enough that he'd have to be half decent scum to pull this play off, in answering the questions given to him he's okay. 773 assigning reasoning to my naked vote is humorous, it also potentially shows hes not paying attention to me (iow trying to read me) but mainly it was funny reading. What I really don't like is that he plays like a wuss and hasn't voted since d1, most of his energy is used defensively but I don't feel like he's trying too hard to read the people he's talking to either. His logic is fine and I can't point out specific scummy posts but I don't see town-impetus/drive or anything to townread. Finds kush at fault (not an unreasonable thing to wagon someone for!); doesn't push or vote there, waiting for kush to get back but cmon do something! Most people would complain at kush not coming, be annoyed at their lack of productivity in this situation, probably push a secondary scumread in the meanwhile or just do something other than answer questions and appear completely unfazed.
Funnily enough when I initially voted tommy today I didn't feel any scumreads strongly in the game and was just sheeping transcend onto a null but I think he's scum now.

Zachs similar in playing like a wuss and hes focusing on scout way more than tommy right now, but not even pressuring/pushing there in-as-much-as casting(throwing?) shade like he did to dunn earlier, reads cowardly. I feel like zach/tommy is distancing/bussing because neither seem to really give a fuck in their exchange and their priority feeling directed elsewhere. The "personality" out for zach's scum stuff makes feeling 100% on this read annoying though and I want to push other scummy just to avoid dealing with this headache.

Probably have to revisit a lot of day 1 reads too tomorrow though most of them seem afk anyways. I'm really tired and this was more tonal intuitive than usual but transcend I want you to respond to this stuff since I kind-of maybe sort-of half respect you at this point. Damn this way took too long.

I'm glad you respect my thoughts this game. I will respect your reads as well. I've read over what you've had to say, and I agree with it for the most part. I unvoted Tommy because I think I misinterpreted his posts about kush. I kinda wanna vote Lowell/JarJar but one slot is AFK and the other slot has so much resistance. The Zach/Tommy read I don't agree with. I think their interactions are not indicative of a team, therefore one or none is scum. Would say Tommy>Zach rn. I also like inspector's confidence. It reads very genuine even if I don't agree with his reads.

Ok so I think that Transcend is just super arrogant town, I don't think scum would take the chance of going to a battlepath and calling out people in case they accidentally slipped. I also don't like how Lowell came in 620 and basically hopped on a wagon than said he would answer anything but when questioned had dissapeared. But what I really want is nnn's reasoning right now

I'd be super down to vote Lowell with you if he weren't V/LA.

So my weekend was awesome thanks for asking guys, sorry though I slacked on this game I plan on getting to it today

I look forward to what you have to say

What do you think about my posts that matter, scout? Yeah, of course jarjar. I'm so patient. Dunn knows just how patient I am.

So, can anyone guess what he meant with this question? I read it as 'you called my potssts useless, so what do you think about the posts that matter?' I replied to that, then he says I'm dodging like hell and he was 'so gonna fuckin kill' me.

He tried to frame me into 'being drmy' scumpartner, if he flipped scum he would be sure of the next kill.

He was wrong

VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.

...and directly votes for the guy that thakes the most pro-town actions. Easy, after NK'ing dunn, no? - but not after voting for an ongoing wagon. Please.
VOTE: trivium

How does that statement make any sense if he believes triv is scum?

How could that possibly be triv trying to frame scout if Triv knows for a fact that drmy ISN'T gonna flip scum?

Man......

VOTE: inspectorscout

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Dgaf about the resistance

You don't scumread any of the actives then?

I'll have something to say about Transcend, but that's bound up in the hammer, so it'll have to wait too. Shouldn't be too much longer - I think we're getting near prod time for the players who haven't appeared. I find it hard to believe Scout is for real about Trivium, but I think it's most likely just because he's tunnelling.

I'm here bud what do you wanna say about me.

And it's very evident that Scout is real about Triviium. He genuinely thinks that he contradicted himself.

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After 1 1/2 days in this game, JarJar tries to get me off his dick by townreading and attempting to pocket me to no avail. Now he makes up contradictions about me to fabricate a scumread on me.

I don't really give a fuck that he scumreads me since he's mafia just pointing it out.

Saying that someone is useless but having a keen eye isn't a contradiction. I think inspector has been genuinely trying but his reads are bad. But then again, he is voting mafia so maybe he isn't bad. I'm alluding to his SR on Trivium being bad.

This game sucks.

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k

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i appreciate that you think i'm good

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I'm okay with both lead wagons. Which even as I write it sounds scummy, but here we are. VOTE: jarjar who seems more flailing of the two.

Strongest townread remains bacde, followed by transcend and tommy. I like that transcend is skeptical of my townreading him (which is always my reaction too... in the rare cases when I'm townread), and I still read tommy as newbtown.

if your slot is town then who should i sr besides you

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by giving him botd i meant that he forgot about asking for claims. he acknowledged that he was at l-1.

good post btw.

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in terms of lynches

JJD > Lowell >>>> scout

hi

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Okay, he's had 24 hours to answer my latest question: enough waiting. Here's my take on the day 1 hammer.

First, let's look at what would have happened if Kush had waited for Shotty to claim. After the claim, I would have unvoted, and I'm sure others would too - you don't lynch claimed town power on day 1. With the pressure off, Shotty would probably have started playing to his win condition again and put his vote somewhere more useful. Maybe we would then have lynched the rival wagon; more likely we would have ended up with someone else entirely in the week of play we had left for that day phase. So I don't buy this:

Um, but were he scum, he would have died anyway regardless and I doubt his perogative would be to give US information.

This is often true of a normal wagon, but it wasn't true here because of the self-vote. If Kush wanted to nail a townie, it was now or never.

Immediately after the hammer, he claimed he'd forgotten about claims. I think this was a lie. Kush posted three times during the three hours leading up to his hammer, so he was following the discussion. Several people were explicit during that period about the need to wait for a claim before hammering.

Since then, he's laid as low as he possibly can without actually getting replaced.

VOTE: Kush

this vote looks opportunistic as fuck

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Tommy says that like his "push" on kush was because he wanted to get information from him and nothing more. That's what I gathered from what he said, so my initial push on him felt like it was based off of a misinterpretation. With this post he proves that isn't true since he gave quite a few reasons to scumread him after his hammer and before he got any information. And those reasons, I don't really buy to be honest. To me it reads like scum taking advantage of an easy target and that's what I felt like he was doing initially and now I feel like it wasn't a misinterpretation on my behalf.

I'm liking the momentum that JJD has and I really wouldn't mind if he ate rope, but I can be down for a Tommy lynch as well. In a severe case I'd lynch Lowell. Kush slot should just be replaced imo not lynched.

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First, let's look at what would have happened if Kush had waited for Shotty to claim. After the claim, I would have unvoted, and I'm sure others would too - you don't lynch claimed town power on day 1. With the pressure off, Shotty would probably have started playing to his win condition again and put his vote somewhere more useful. Maybe we would then have lynched the rival wagon; more likely we would have ended up with someone else entirely in the week of play we had left for that day phase.

Even if Kush was scum, he couldn't have known that shotty was a PR. Which makes this entire paragraph pointless.

Kush posted three times during the three hours leading up to his hammer, so he was following the discussion. Several people were explicit during that period about the need to wait for a claim before hammering.

This is a false statement and is painting a false picture for people that aren't paying attention.

Kush's first post after the claim discussion was his hammer.

910 posts in the game and you finally make a post I don't genuinely dislike

VOTE: Tommy

Gonna go to sleep then work but I'm gonna plant my vote here

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I agree 100% with #908. I'm coming around on tommyscum.

actions speak louder than words, you have the power of a vote. make good use of it.

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and I still read tommy as newbtown.

then you want to vote him. not saying your 180 is scummy, just wondering how you made this conclusion

PEDIT: that list consisted of people being voted at the time with more than 1 vote.

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What in the fuck.

While i don't agree that this slot is particularly towny, he doesn't deserve to be l-1'd right now.

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yeah i am still here dont worry, i am busy lately, thats why i havent posted in a while. Please, i totally disagree with the lowell wagon. its all a bit wifomy and gut, but do you really think he would play like this if he is scum and joined since 2006? hes playing TOO obvious. And yes, i think that wagon has 2 scum on it, the third being trivium. I am pretty sure lowell wagon was controlled and pushed by scum. I am pretty sure he is town, but if you guys really dont believe that, sure, go ahead and lynch him. if he is town, tomorrow we will have a 7/3 setup, given that nothing new happens. So lets make a deal: if he flips town, we lynch jarjar/trivium.

yes to the former, no to the latter.

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If I had a nickel for every time I made a vote and no one followed it and allowed me to get pressure on a slot I fosed, I could buy out Microsoft from Bill Gates.

Not really but it's really fucking annoying that I feel like I'm invisible.

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VOTE: alpaca

whynaut

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Hey scout, why not offer yourself up if you're so righteous?

You can't possible know be 100% sure about Lowell but you can be about yourself.

Walk into the noose today and if you flip town, THEN we'll do me/triv.

If thats what it takes to get you and triv lynched, sure
VOTE: scout

@zach: if they 'spearhead' town and nightkill tonight its a 6/3 (and not a 7/3 like i said earlier) situation, in which scum only needs to convince 2 town to hop on, and with this town im pretty sure that will happen. 4/3 and we will most likely lose.

Sorry for inactivity lately but i have a shitload of work lately...almost makes me feel like wanting to lock up kids and make them do the work for me...but yah illegal and stuff ya know

So jarjar, youre still my target, go ahead and lynch me.

Part of me wants to say don't lynch yourself because you're blatant town and a nearly guaranteed number for town goes down the shitter again.

Another part of me feels like in order for your sanity to remain in tact to just lynch yourself, watch me get nked and watch the chaos ensue while not being part of it.

The second one was 99% a joke but i prophesy myself getting nked and ignored throughout the rest of the game. In each completed game I've played on this site, I've nailed one mafia. Not both though, the other one ended up tricking me. Anyways, i got lynched and everything i said was basically ignored. Kinda annoying but whatever.

Dude gun to my head the scum team right now is jar jar / Tommy / alpaca. I've liked Lowell recently his d1 was meh but he recovered well. Zach has been pissing me off, but he's town most likely.

I really wish bacde would post more because he seems to be the only one adamant about a jar lynch like myself.

Trivium is town, scout. I'd iso him if i were you. His tone suggests he's town. While he's made lots of bad reads, i feel that he is genuine with those reads and not manufacturing them. Also I'm 95% sure his town slip was not forced.

Rask would be my 4th candidate for scum if it wasn't the 3 listed above. Only time I've townread rask was when he's had to react to dunns initial bw and then eventually my tunnel on him halfway through d1. I genuinely like those reactions he gave. However I'm still quite on the fence because of distancing with jar. Last i remember jar fosed rask but did nothing about my tunnel on him. I don't think the two of them have interacted much either. It's quite a toss up and i have better scum reads.

Kush is gonna get subbed so hopefully someone will give good defense. I can't determine if he's mafia or town at this point.

Lowell bw is bad and while i liked him as a lynch earlier no one really gave feedback on my initial vote on him.

I made this long post on mobile. I'm becoming more dedicated to the site!

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{Scout, triv}
{Zach}
{Bacde, Kush, Lowell}
{Rask, alpaca}
{Tommy, jar}

Bacde moves down to null, Lowell moves up to null. Rask moves down to scum lean. Everything else is pretty much consistent.

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ok transcend so if you nailed one every game who's the certain one this game? if you say jarjar im gonna laugh



ANYWAYS UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alpaca

I'd like to see where this one goes, honestly I don't think we'll get anything from Lowell and I'm not going to press it.

If you put a gun to my head and the trigger went off if my most confident scum read was town I'd say Tommy would be my most confident read. It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those. Tommy's overall neutrality for most of the game and then opportunistic push on easy ml to appear town doesn't sit well with me.

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Like there's been all sorts of other candidates for a lynch today i.e. Lowell, jar, scout and he's been neutral about all those just to pursue a shitty lynch on Kush.

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ok transcend so if you nailed one every game who's the certain one this game? if you say jarjar im gonna laugh



ANYWAYS UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alpaca

I'd like to see where this one goes, honestly I don't think we'll get anything from Lowell and I'm not going to press it.

If you put a gun to my head and the trigger went off if my most confident scum read was town I'd say Tommy would be my most confident read. It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those. Tommy's overall neutrality for most of the game and then opportunistic push on easy ml to appear town doesn't sit well with me.

did

Rather than him lying, he could also have remembered the events incorrectly. This is a lot less likely due to how specific he went " three times ", it does point to it being orchestrated. But what bugs me is...

I am not sure why scum would choose to start a vanity wagon and deliberately bait attention to himself when he could have acquiesced to one of the others much easier and stayed under the radar. If scum, would be diverting attention off of the other wagons which would imply one of those are scum?

not shift your perspective on any of this?

I'm also going to be an annoying little fuck and probably hop back to Lowell at some point. Stay tuned.

I didn't read that point but from your part it's a decent line of thinking. Still something from his personal behalf just doesn't sit right with me.

Please recall that his reaction was forced to your vote on him at one point Zach so his badvote on Kush isn't the only thing super damning.

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It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those.

Is it @ all possible that you're read is conf-biased, tunnelled, garbage read?

Like seriously, WTF is scummy about me?

Do you want botd until i can get the time to properly iso you? I'm willing to give it because there's lots of mixed opinions about you. I'm not the only one who thinks you're scum, however there's plenty of users who also think your slot is town.

Another question i want you to answer regardless to you answer of part 1 is your opinion of rask. I know at some point you've fosed him, idk if that still holds true. Just wonder where you stand on that read.

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Tbh everyone does his reads in his own way and i dont see the prob with this one. If you asked me a week ago in nearly any game id have said nulltown/nullscum on everyone too but i learnt that you should sound confident in what you do or stuff like this happens. I dont think alpaca is scum and im going to refrain from joining his wagon, but i wont block it anymore; id like to see some bigger pressure on him.

Ok so:

current lynches

could be: me,

alpaca

, (lowell)
If i had to choose between those

id go for alpaca

but still, i have other people that id love to see dead a lot more

I dont think alpaca is scum and im going to refrain from joining his wagon

THERE WAS 5 POSTS IN BETWEEN THAT


LETS GET HIM BOYS


VOTE: inspectorscout

No.

VOTE: INSPECTOR

Didn't i tell you to sub out? I'm sure if the player that replaces you wins the game you can have some of the frosting off the victory cake.

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Perhaps he's not happy over all 3 of the lynches (himself, lowell, alpaca) but in a dire situation would vote alpaca. He stated that he wants to go elsewhere hence, the refusal to vote alpaca. That's how i interpreted those posts, it doesn't look like a scum contradiction to me.

I know inspector can defend himself, but i tend to get super defensive towards my trs because i like preserving town numbers and dwindling scum numbers.

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Fuck off

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Okay so you did give thoughts on the other lynches. Not a big fan of your conclusions. But seriously how is your biggest fos someone who qh'd when that tell is nai? And how come you say initially you were just doing an investigation on him then with a lack of response you manufacture reasons against him? I don't find any of this genuine dude.

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so since everyone i vote doesn't get lynched, can i vote inspectorscout so you guys fuck off of him

this game isn't fun anymore

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The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.

Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:

VOTE: inspectorscout

In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:

That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.

This is the most damning, I think:

i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.

If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.

More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.

didn't read this post, but i bet if i did it would go something along the lines of "well, my failed attempt at getting an easy scum ML failed so i'm just moving on to the bw with the most momentum for shitty reasons"

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It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those.

Is it @ all possible that you're read is conf-biased, tunnelled, garbage read?

Like seriously, WTF is scummy about me?

Do you want botd until i can get the time to properly iso you? I'm willing to give it because there's lots of mixed opinions about you. I'm not the only one who thinks you're scum, however there's plenty of users who also think your slot is town.

Another question i want you to answer regardless to you answer of part 1 is your opinion of rask. I know at some point you've fosed him, idk if that still holds true. Just wonder where you stand on that read.

Please answer this JJD

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I keep going back n forth on Trans. Him saying that Tommy is his #1 scumread over me just sounds like:

Lemme pick the guy who I'm more likely to get lynched

..............

there's legitimately 0 fucking momentum on this guy. no one agrees with what i have to say about him either.

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Ok fuck yall im triggered now, fucking inactive town
HOLY FUCK SCUMTEAM FOUND

@Trivium shut the fuck up, u tried to link me to drmy and ur trying to link me to trancend, and ur wrong fucking twice now. If you are town ud get the 'idiot town reward' RIGHT NOW

@transcend its no use really

@zach WATAFUK where in hell is your logic? I said 'i aint joining his wagon, i dont think hes scummy' but OUT OF THE THREE WAGONS HES THE LEAST TOWN, WHERE DAFUK IN FUCKING HELL IS THE CONTRADICTION

Scum team is like i breadcrumbed in one of my previous posts, take it or leave it
UNVOTE: scout
VOTE: TRIVIUM

I swear you are gonna regret lynching me.

Not gonna vote this dude, but i don't wanna vote you either. Would vote JarJar or Alpaca with you. I also want your opinion on Tommy since he just made a junkvote on you. I'd love for you to help me lynch that slot. But you haven't given any input on him.

Hey guys I haven't really been able to see the game but I'm still most interested in running up Jarjar or possible nnn_kushdude

really not interested in running up scout or lowell

Also I guarantee scum was on the lowell wagon with how quickly it built up and dissipated like a dude in manic psychosis

Good vote, good analysis of Lowell bw. He should not have been L-1'd so fast.

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VOTE: Tommy

If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1.

Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?

Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.

I don't have a read on Lowell yet.

Zach, can you give a case on me please.

Actually, my vote is useless.

VOTE: Tommy

Explain to me, why you think that nnn's hammer is indicative of him being mafia and that it isn't just you being super opportunistic on easy town lynch.

VOTE: Tommy

VOTE: Tommy

can we see the rebirth of this really good bw? aside from myself, it had 2 slots i'm pretty sure are town.

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because it's you, and you're junk, and you voted. therefore, junkvote.

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and it wasn't just any vote, but it was my TOP TOWNREAD who I think at least one scum had already voted before your vote.

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VOTE: JarJar

Will acquiescently flip back to Alpaca if this doesn't work, but I want this guy to die today,as I did yesterday. I'm off of work tomorrow so I'm going to most likely make a long post ISO case on him to hopefully garner votes for him.

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Would also vote Tommy if whatever BW on him rose up again, but I don't think that lynch is going to happen today. But if it does, I'm a contender!!!!!!!!!

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hi infinity don't read and vote jarjar/tommy/alpaca

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also, your slot lynched the bp. have fun.

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VOTE: Tommy

infinity wanna be power town with me until one of us gets nked

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also when you replace into a game you never know what alignment the slot you replace will flip >:)

i was confident i was replacing into a town slot, next thing you know i'm solo mafia goon with another mafia faction of 2

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^ for fire and ice mafia ^

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didn't read your post just saw your vote on tommy and marked you as town for it

im town

dude

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currently i have alpaca and jarjar marked as mafia, but rask is also my maybe

can you help me get the votes off of inspector (my hardest tr in the game) and on to tommy (my biggest scumread this game)

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i think there's some town on inspector's bw (zach, triv) that should be on tommy's bw instead. but they've selected to not heed my advice.

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and admittedly i think that zach and triv genuinely fos him and they're focusing on him so much and ignoring all other candidates, while scum are taking advantage of their mistake (tommy, jarjar).

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i've noticed that zach and triv are also pretty stubborn so it's hard to suede them to vote a certain way.

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a'ite man

but i can sleep well tonight knowing that this game hasn't gone completely down the shitter since you subbed in.

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are we power town infinity 324 check the one that applies

[] yes
[] no
[] maybe
[] applesauce

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righteous

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i don't, but i'm choosing to believe you're town and will terminate our power town status if i feel you're mafia

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Will get to this: going out to eat with my parents one final time before they move. I don't have work today ^^. Just finished 7 consecutive days.

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I got a fucking flat.

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Trans, u havent answered:

If we lynch scout and he flips town then do you admit that we (triv, zach, myself) are the power town players and you're garbage?

I think you meant scum, and i feel you might have scum slipped lol

But if inspector flips scum I'll just sit back in the corner of shame and admit I'm awful.

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I'm sorry infinity we can't be power town anymore. Zach made a solid point about your contradiction.

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I gotta re evaluate everything.

UNVOTE:

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I'm still not changing my tr on inspector and i feel the slots that voted him were slightly justified but made an incorrect judgment.

Tommy's better in my world, he's had a few good posts recently. His content is towny. His actions look scummy as fuck. Actions speak louder than words, but idk what to make of this.

I kinda blind trusted infinity due to his vote on someone i adamantly scum read, but after sleeping it off and reading what he said and what others said about him, i don't feel too good about him.

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I still can't get over Tommy pushing Kush aka easy scum ml and when that vote received no momentum, he voted inspector. I don't like these actions, but i like his content. Someone in the game i think lowell said that he might be noob town and I'm pondering if that's possibly the case.

Zach, I've liked what you've had to say recently and the observations you've pointed out. What is your opinion on Tommy's actions vs. Hood words in this game?

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His*

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May i ask what i stole

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I read them now Tommy. It's just i tend to be biased if i scum read someone and it's hard for me to consider them in a town matter, but now i have.

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I'm what you call: stubborn.

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is it your mission in life to comment on why every single post i make is wrong

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a bit of an exaggeration on my behalf, but it is a bit annoying that i can't get a word in without you interjecting lol

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zach i'm actually not opposed to being power town with you if you drop the vote on inspector

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VOTE: infinity

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yeah every post this guy gives makes me want to lynch him

imagine if i got stuck in his back pocket >:(

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i said i was gonna be isos but now i can't be fucked. i think my vote is in a good spot right now.

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i mean scum are capable of bussing, but there's no way i could get a jar jar lynch today even if i wanted it.