Gistou (Over!)

dramonic · Post Post #176 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:37 am

/regrets

dramonic · Post Post #178 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:38 am

wtf Tim is Iece + Actiondan

dramonic · Post Post #198 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:10 am

Everything makes sense now.

@Heartless: if the Tim post came from Iec I'd agree, but I think they're coming from Dan.

In post 193, davesaz wrote:
In post 189, rb wrote:There's a 63% chance I talk about percentages in every post I remember to talk about percentages in for the rest of the game.
You're going to think about percentages and deliberately not talk about them 37% of the time? Scum!

Dav knows where it's at.

dramonic · Post Post #201 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:12 am

...yes?
@Heart

dramonic · Post Post #210 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:18 am

In post 201, Heartless wrote:titus post is also bad

In post 203, dramonic wrote:...yes?
@Heart

In post 209, rb wrote:Going to sleep now.

@Dram there's an 83% chance that you're the messiah

I'm sad that I'm gonna forget this post within the 5 months this game will last cuz I wanna sig it

dramonic · Post Post #215 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:21 am

The solution is clearly not to sleep

dramonic · Post Post #221 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:23 am

dramonic · Post Post #252 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:47 am

In post 251, No Retreat wrote:
In post 204, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
In post 175, Almost50 wrote:So much for your promise to yourself!
I suck!

Now I'm curious. What is that promise?

not hydra-slipping

dramonic · Post Post #288 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:19 am

dramonic · Post Post #303 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:28 am

In post 300, Cephrir wrote:
In post 296, Salt Squad wrote:I am setting a pace for the game that scum can't keep up with and it makes people's alignments more apparent as a result.
that's a new one

shhhh

dramonic · Post Post #318 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:40 am

In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 309, RAM wrote: pedit — dram is scum? this gets even better
how do you figure?

She's probably trying to set herself up BEFORE I claim a guilty on her.

dramonic · Post Post #337 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:00 am

In post 338, Cephrir wrote:
In post 336, Luna Fox wrote:So basically i win with town but im not explictly town then?
The win con looked like normal town win con to me.
there's no functional difference between being town and winning with the town

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

dramonic · Post Post #364 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:29 am

In post 363, No Retreat wrote:Should we all claim the checks we picked to limit shenanigans? Discuss

...No?
That only favors the scum?

dramonic · Post Post #366 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:34 am

They know the spread of relevant info within their group, they know who's dangerous to them.
Also some powers are obviously stronger than others, so that's painting a giant target on their back.

dramonic · Post Post #383 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:50 am

I wish it weren't pregame, my vote is quivering.

dramonic · Post Post #401 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:00 am

dubious at best

dramonic · Post Post #407 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:03 am

Lol FA/Titus interactions.

dramonic · Post Post #594 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:23 pm

I wanted to vote C+A, but I don't feel that way anymore.
Wish I had a dayvig tho.

dramonic · Post Post #600 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:27 pm

The assumptions are real.
I don't wanna shoot you.

dramonic · Post Post #610 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:32 pm

I wouldn't suggest dayvigging someone I called town one line earlier <_<
And a vig shot is only "most likely to hit town" if you shoot randomly. For all you know I have a daycop guilty on Bins!

dramonic · Post Post #628 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:42 pm

Damn anti is BITTER tonight.

dramonic · Post Post #631 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:42 pm

That post was in response to something like 615 but you guys keep ninjaing.

dramonic · Post Post #639 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:44 pm

Oh wow

Vote: Wayward Thinker

dramonic · Post Post #936 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:10 pm

In post 821, Salt Squad wrote:Like did you just go through my ISO and try and find a way to discredit the primary player pushing your wagon?

Congratulation on voting scum, now get the fuck off my coattails.

In post 853, Titus wrote:
In post 848, davesaz wrote:So Titus, you went from what Expedience thought was soft defense right into hard. How can you be so sure?
I have him as scum for trying to fit what I'm posting into scum motivation, but I have a weakness for OMGUSing people and want to check it vs. other evidence.
Because I get scumread as town for saying unpopular shit as town all the time.

No, you get scumread as town because you cannot word your thoughts worth shit. <_<

In post 881, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Luna I'm nice till an Antitown play pisses me off

don't make me pissed off and stop talking about the setup.

~Ice

You have 10 seconds to explain why you latch onto Luna's setup spec and completely ignore Titus'

In post 907, Luna Fox wrote:rb one thing i dont understand is you spend a lot of time saying how exp's reads are fake yada yada yada, yet you end up voting wayward.

Wayward is scum. Exp is just braindead.

In post 910, Heartless wrote:i'll leave the vote here
VOTE: wayward thinker

OH BABY

In post 932, Expedience wrote:
In post 824, davesaz wrote:Also @Expedience: 755 uses the word "someone" but I haven't seen you call it out.

In post 927, RAM wrote:
In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.
That is an incredibly weak point. Do you sincerely believe him talking about past games means he is scum here? I feel like it would have been far more contrived if he had said "last time I played as town (other than this game) was two months ago". Plus, it is arguable that using the words "the last time I did x" rather than "I haven't done x since" implies that THIS TIME x is the case. (Granted, I did not go reread those posts to see exactly what phrasing he used, I'm basing my interpretation off the exact phrasing you used to reference his comment)

Bad point is bad.

Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.

(Sorry, mobile, or I'd go back and get you the actual posts)

Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?

Nahdia, when you wake up in the morning(and you specifically, not the other heads of your hydra), please explain this Expedience attack to me again, in a different fashion if at all possible. I don't really see the cause for the pressure on him (unless it's pressure for pressures sake, but that doesn't seem to be the case, a bunch of people appear to legitimately believe they're scum), and I'd like to understand this better. And since you started it, I feel hearing your reasoning in greater depth if at all possible would be most informative.

-Cerb

Pedit: well, it seems my first point was just addressed. Good.
"just curious", no dude you're quietly gathering evidence to paint him as scum and you're probably scum yourself.

VOTE: Luna Fox, I don't want to vote rb any more since he might be town.

Wayward Thinker is painfully town. Both of the largest wagons are trash and this is sad.

Sounds like I'm right.

EDIT: Sorry Almost.

dramonic · Post Post #940 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:18 pm

In post 938, Expedience wrote:
In post 935, Almost50 wrote:4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.
Possibly the most indirect townclaim I have ever seen.

People claiming town, sound the alarm.

dramonic · Post Post #942 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:19 pm

dramonic · Post Post #948 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:28 pm

In post 519, Titus wrote:@506, I am thinking you're defending and reading into what is not there. He said on a skim that doesn't look genuine. He sees my pont of view allegedly but then he continues to push as if I am scummy. His actions speak louder than words and indicate the meaning.

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

In post 526, Titus wrote:
In post 526, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 520, Titus wrote:@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.
Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?
The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.

In post 540, Titus wrote:@cain and able - you did not answer. Please explicitly say whether you read the flavor.

In post 873, Titus wrote:
In post 861, davesaz wrote:
In post 832, Titus wrote:
In post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice
This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.
I found this and wanted to follow up to it separately. How is "people just voted him" an indication of town, in a multi-faction game? Or any game for that matter, wagons do form and sometimes they are on scum.
I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town. Wagons do form and on scum, but you're oversimplifying. Expedience is wagoned for unpopular opinions, but not ones that are scummy imho.

In post 879, Titus wrote:
In post 877, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 873, Titus wrote:I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town.
Human is most definitely town.
There's also at least 1 non human race (mine) that needs to elminate all threats to the human treaty, but i dont know who shares this win condition.
That's pretty much all i've gathered so far.

Ok, I am bad, but one more question.

You're the second player to claim non human but human aligned, yet I didn't see that in the flavor...how is that possible?

In post 893, Titus wrote:
In post 886, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 880, davesaz wrote:I'd call that a newb post, if I hadn't looked at your topic list. Did you not pay attention to the earlier discussion that giving scum info is a bad idea.
I'm sorry it's just that i like trying to figure things out and since Titus was proposing something that was different from what I knew i figured i'd interject, sorry >.<
And you're by definition not human...

FA?

EDIT: Expe: Why are you remarking Almost claiming town. Do you expect any alignment BESIDES town?

dramonic · Post Post #949 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:30 pm

*alignment claim

dramonic · Post Post #955 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:37 pm

In post 951, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:dram you missed the point. talking about the setup in general is ok , giving out details about your flavor is not.

there is a difference here.

I'm not sure what is your point

~Ice

. . .
Okay, nevermind

dramonic · Post Post #999 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:42 am

Nahdia, that better be fake, because Expe is pretty obviously town.

dramonic · Post Post #1002 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:44 am

Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

dramonic · Post Post #1075 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:20 am

In post 1012, rb wrote:@everyone who is calling Expedience Town: Wtf are you seeing in him that's Town?

He doesn't provide reasons for anything he does, he barely responds to questions, he doesn't do anything that I can even perceive as pro-town.

In post 1030, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1002, dramonic wrote:Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.
I would buy that but on my only game with Exp he at least tried to read me and provided reasoning for his scumread on me "he didn't like my townhunting strategy coz he didnt understand it at the time", here he has provided no reasoning.

@Both: He's provided plenty of reasons. The fact those reasons are awful beyond belief doensn't mean they aren't there. They're beyond the point of no return, but they're there.
Don't break the spell it's

hilarious

EDIT: You're full of hate

dramonic · Post Post #1107 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:58 am

I feel dirty for agreeing with beeboy after Musical, but I'll just say

he's

agreeing with me and comfort myself that way.
Also I'm liking this rb fellow.

@Ceph/Heart: heeeeeeeeeh. He's scared of me and its SO VERY INVIGORATING @w@
He could be scum but WT is a better wagon. I'd hammer it but not bring it there?
Also Luna is pretty obviously disconnected I just ignore her

dramonic · Post Post #1110 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:59 am

The read list is pretty great tho :p

dramonic · Post Post #1115 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:02 am

Indeed you did Luna

dramonic · Post Post #1123 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:11 am

Okay now you guys are just being dumb. There's no way Luna is scum <_<

dramonic · Post Post #1125 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:14 am

She wont

dramonic · Post Post #1135 (isolation #37) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:30 am

In post 1128, Titus wrote:
In post 1123, dramonic wrote:Okay now you guys are just being dumb. There's no way Luna is scum <_<
I find myself agreeing wit everything you're saying lately minus Dave scum...

I don't think I've mentionned Dav this game.

In post 1129, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1128, Titus wrote:
In post 1123, dramonic wrote:Okay now you guys are just being dumb. There's no way Luna is scum <_<
I find myself agreeing wit everything you're saying lately minus Dave scum...
so what is that like three other opinions

hooray

does anyone other than expe even not read luna as town right now, i really dont think they do

heartless and beeboy

dramonic · Post Post #1144 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:09 am

What... the... fuck... beeboy

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:28 am

Bins, are you trolling me with those emotes? :p

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:32 am

You're not getting lynched Luna, move on.

EDIT: Yeah that made me sad.

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:40 am

Why do you care what his reason is?

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:43 am

In post 1212, Luna Fox wrote:heck even dave just brought it up earlier agreeing with the fact that he believes i was being manipulated

...You didn't read Dave's post, clearly.

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:46 am

In post 1164, davesaz wrote:Luna: Says she's scum, but gives lol for a reason.
Claims she's only pretending to scum read him
,
point out her admission that she OMGUS's as a scum claim.
In 539 he as much as admits to Nahdia that he was joking.
In 988 he clearly says his scum read is caused by her OMGUS
(which was caused by his scum read).
In 1033 he claims she's lying about their (brief) history by pointing out a game where he trolled her and she got mad --
which is exactly what he's doing here!

These are all reasons, albeit terrible, he has given for scumreading you.
What is WRONG with your reading abilities?

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:56 am

In post 1218, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1216, dramonic wrote:These are all reasons, albeit terrible, he has given for scumreading you.
What is WRONG with your reading abilities?

All of those came up after he had initially scumread me
,
and saying "i'm pretending to scumread him" is not a reason because that's false

completely irrelevant

There are no words for how stupid that statement is.

EDIT: WHICH IS STILL A FUCKING REASON
HOW IS THIS COMPLICATED, HOLY SHIT

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:34 am

It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?

dramonic · Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:45 pm

In post 1254, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?
If he's town, he needs to lease a spot in the newbie queue because he just screams scum to me.

Alternatively you need to lease a spot in the newbie queue because you can't read people

In post 1258, davesaz wrote:
In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?
In my case it's that I see what I think is clear scum motivation in the form of circular logic.
Are you legitimately seeing the fallacies and still think they're coming from town?
I have to say, I don't find you easy to read because you usually jump straight to a conclusion with little or no basis. But there have been places where you were right.

I don't jump with little to no basis. If I make a call it's because I'm confident in it. I'm seeing the fallacies, but they're not reading fabricated, they're reading oblivious.

dramonic · Post Post #1349 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:25 pm

In post 1339, Almost50 wrote: Now I need someone who understands my talk and logic to rephrase it to the public, if they please, so that everybody will know why I'm heavily scum reading Heartless already.

Np

...

~WIFOM~

There ya go

dramonic · Post Post #1544 (isolation #48) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 1396, Heartless wrote:
In post 1350, dramonic wrote:
In post 1339, Almost50 wrote: Now I need someone who understands my talk and logic to rephrase it to the public, if they please, so that everybody will know why I'm heavily scum reading Heartless already.
Np

...

~WIFOM~

There ya go
How does WIFOM apply here?

he wanted someone to summarize his post.

In post 1425, Tim wrote:Agreed. Strange times when I'm agreeing with Luna

you're telling me

In post 1435, Titus wrote:VOTE: Kuroi

Finally, a vote that doesn't make me want to scream at someone.

*violins*

In post 1452, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?
How dumb do you to think he is, to do the shit he's doing and still be town?

I don't think there's any way for me to answer without breaking the rules.

In post 1475, Almost50 wrote:@Luna:

there should be exactly three of you. No more. If we are 28 players and we're guaranteed to have started the game with humans @ +50% then a max on non-humans of 12. That is divided by 4 (4 non-human factions) so 3 each. Cult may differ (usually starts with the recruiter as the only player aligned with it) but then the 2 missing should be added to OTHER scum teams not yours, bc you're already aligned with the town. The reason you're 3 and not 2 is bc your win con specifies someone with the same win con should be alive, so it would be cruel to hand you what would be basically a 2-way lover-survivour role, which would be even less likely to survive than a stand-alone survivour.

*projectile vomit*

In post 1492, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1488, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1485, KuroiXHF wrote:
a) i don't like your statement that anyone scumreading you is bad without any accompaniment as to why
It's a good thing I didn't say that.
okay what's so scummy about WT other than them scumreading you then smartass
I might answer that tomorrow, Ms. Hominem.

In post 1489, Titus wrote:Kuroi, I find it interesting you comment on House's allegation of confbias on him but ignore entirely that I am voting you. House has the same ignorance.

Thoughts on me voting you?
I don't really have any thoughts. I can't possibly imagine I'd be lynched based off so little. I'm sure you'll vote someone else later so I wasn't so worried.

RAISE THE RED FLAG

In post 1528, Heartless wrote:
In post 1510, KuroiXHF wrote:Actually, before I head to bed.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

Their questioning and atrocious display thus far deserves this A LOT more than TWIE.
And it has
nothing
to do with Wayward being a larger wagon at the moment?

tbf WT is an excellent choice regardless

dramonic · Post Post #1685 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:47 am

dayvig: ASoIaF

dramonic · Post Post #1687 (isolation #50) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:49 am

Shit, I need another.

dramonic · Post Post #1694 (isolation #51) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:00 am

It's fake, if it were real I'd have shot WT a while ago.

One day I'll have my infinite dayvig.

EDIT: You were really shit to vote her before it as well <_<

dramonic · Post Post #1695 (isolation #52) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:00 am

Not YOU you, just general you.

More importantly: HI DGB <3

dramonic · Post Post #1704 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:10 am

In post 1701, Expedience wrote:No you're talking about dramonic nevermind.

I'm definitely not the one going around with a Luna vote, so nope?

dramonic · Post Post #1738 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:39 am

In post 1727, rb wrote:@Dramonic: am I incorrect in saying that your read of Exped as Town is that he's 2dumb4scum? But why is he terrible town as opposed to terrible scum?

@Exped + Wayward: why are you buddying each other so hard? How could your townreads of each other be THAT strong?

Does anyone else feel like at least one of these slots has to be scum?

Terrible town and terrible scum have different approach and motives. hes buying into his own delusion.
But yes I agree with WT scum

dramonic · Post Post #1767 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:55 am

In post 1740, rb wrote:I really wanna believe Dram is town right now. If you're scum I'll never 5give you.

close your eyes and let's do trust falls.

In post 1742, Cephrir wrote:i know ive said this several times already, but the flying monkeys issue really doesn't seem protown to discuss

a) if someone has scumclaimed, a few flips will make that clear
b) we're giving more and more cult targets every time we do it. tim was overreacting early on but it's becoming a serious issue now
c) the scum probably know more about it than we do so we're just going to kill ourselves over it

this

dramonic · Post Post #1819 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:39 am

In post 1814, Luna Fox wrote:Maybe he didnt read them? one of his posts does seem to suggest that he had just woken up at the time.

he does that a lot, doesn't he

dramonic · Post Post #1826 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:45 am

WT, but I could hammer Almost given the chance

dramonic · Post Post #1836 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:51 am

dramonic · Post Post #1840 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:55 am

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss firebringer.

dramonic · Post Post #1847 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:01 am

FA, Titus and Luna have around ~30%+ of the post in the thread. Go post in your hydra topics or neighborhoods or something.

dramonic · Post Post #1872 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:37 am

In post 1858, RAM wrote:Hello all. I slept on it, and I am now here. I'm caught up with the game and current events(though a current VC would be nice).

I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI. My own lack of involvement in the early game largely stemmed from the same reason. I'm willing to give him a few RL days, but certainly not an entire three week day phase. I don't think the point that the other heads are deliberately sitting back and letting Nahdia play for them is necessarily true, or if it is, that it's necessarily alignment indicative. If one head of a hydra garners all the town reads, and you can project your questions and pushes through their posting, there is literally no reason to speak up any more than you have to. Town's job is finding scum and not getting mislynched, so even though the first thought people seem to have is that this behavior, if indeed deliberate, is scummy, it's really not imo.
KuroiXF's most recent set of reads are, umm. yeah. It's disingenuous for him to call it underdeveloped, most likely? I've never played with Kuroi before I don't believe. Are his reads lists generally in depth, so him calling this one underdeveloped makes sense, because it's lacking detail? Or no? I need to reread his ISO/the cases against him, I don't recall any strong reason given for the votes, if someone could refresh my memory regarding whose ISO I need to look at to find the source of the push/possible reasoning everyone is agreeing with?
WT: LQ is awkward as fuck, always. He makes literally no sense to me ever. Even though my first inclination is to defend him simply because I know how easy he is to lynch....I've defended him because he's lynchbaity before when he was scum. :/ Suzune is easier to read for me(at least, I've been able to identify her towniness in the past...never seen her scum game, so, grain of salt), but I need more content from that head(CLEARLY LABELLED CONTENT OF SIGNIFICANCE) to pass any judgment here. In short, I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from the slot, just what appears to be standard LQ awkwardness, but that could EASILY be actual scum content.
Expe: Everyones talking about him. I should go reread his iso. He's scumreading my slot. More on this later, after I check his ISO because fuck, why do you all suspect him again? Nothing jumps out of my memory.
Luna: Luna's pretty town yo. Faction slip in PT(I did read that correctly, right? in the PT she has with stormblade, she slipped her faction? Please confirm Stormblade), and her initial posting and points/concerns regarding the whole win condition discussion(which shouldn't be ever mentioned again prior to like D4 or D5(or whenever appropriate in a game this size, I have no fucking idea actually)) seemed quite town.

Top of my head stuff, tried to touch on the people who are actually being voted for. Please engage me and point me in a specific direction for discussions/things you want my opinion on, if I missed anything important.

-Cerb

Fencesit any harder and it'll leave a dent :p

dramonic · Post Post #1882 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:51 am

There are 3

dramonic · Post Post #1886 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:54 am

I could, I just said that in that post you quoted.

dramonic · Post Post #1891 (isolation #64) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:57 am

wow...

dramonic · Post Post #1899 (isolation #65) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:10 am

In post 1892, RAM wrote:@Dram: Why are you so involved in this game? I don't think I've ever seen you post this much this early(and it's not just BS posting either). It's weird. It makes me feel weird. :-/

Also, please elaborate on that wow.

-Cerb

I didn't fall behind is what's happening. Also Role Madness Bastard stuff is fun.
That wow is the sound of deception, like when you find out santa isn't real.

dramonic · Post Post #1909 (isolation #66) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:21 am

In post 1902, Heartless wrote:
In post 1899, dramonic wrote:That wow is the sound of deception, like when you find out santa isn't real.
What were you reacting to? :S

threatening to replace out if we get a plurality lynch. Don't /in for games if you plan to replace out when shit doesn't go your way.

Titus, were you eventually planning to play in THIS game or are you planning to vomit meta for a while still?

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:21 am

Better warm up your vocal chords

dramonic · Post Post #2029 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:49 pm

In post 1950, DrippingGoofball wrote:Wayward Thinker is town

Why what? Also whats this about an announcement?

<<< Check the ban announcement thread. >>>

dramonic · Post Post #2032 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:03 pm

Glhf gg no re ttyl noob

dramonic · Post Post #2035 (isolation #70) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:29 pm

classy NR

dramonic · Post Post #2042 (isolation #71) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:14 pm

In post 2039, Klingoncelt wrote:
V/LA until the 27th.

Trying to catch up now...

what the fuck

dramonic · Post Post #2050 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:33 pm

That makes 8 posts in a row.

@Mastin: Can we enforce some sort of spam rule, because the game is already extremely long without BS like what Math is pulling right now

dramonic · Post Post #2054 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:37 pm

In post 2051, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1933, Stormblade wrote:Can we hear from Mathblade, the good twin?

Albert
You got questions for me? Although stop the compliment. An ABR compliment feels weird. I have never gotten one before. I prefer reads over compliments.

Pedit: Dramonic I am catching up and phone posting. It is not spam. Otherwise it would be a wall no one would read.

Nobody in their right mind reads your posts anyways.

In post 2053, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 2050, dramonic wrote:That makes 8 posts in a row.

@Mastin: Can we enforce some sort of spam rule, because the game is already extremely long without BS like what Math is pulling right now
It's actually six, but I agree with you.

I'm excluding my own post because it's unrelated to the stream of posts. As in, if I were elsewhere there would still be 8 posts in a row.

dramonic · Post Post #2060 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:50 pm

In post 2056, mastin2 wrote:Mathblade actually has fewer posts than you do. They're concentrated in specific areas, but they are not the spam you are presenting them as.

I'm aware that I have more posts, I'm unusually active <_<
I'm not saying spam in the "useless content", I'm saying it in the "all of these post could be one long post".
But your game, your rules :p

dramonic · Post Post #2062 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:55 pm

RED FLAG ALERT

dramonic · Post Post #2064 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:58 pm

whatever you say jafar.

dramonic · Post Post #2069 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:09 pm

In post 2065, Titus wrote:
In post 2064, dramonic wrote:whatever you say jafar.
Ja far?

The Disney Villain

dramonic · Post Post #2074 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:15 pm

Franky flaked, I'm really not seeing any reason to lynch him.

dramonic · Post Post #2084 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:27 pm

In post 2077, Titus wrote:And Kuroi can you join us Dram?
You do realize Klingon and Math are on your wagon Dram? Look at the Kuroi wagon?

. . .
Go look at the votecount again Titus.

dramonic · Post Post #2086 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:30 pm

Expedience is town.
The reason is that his mindset is that of town.
Now evaluate that argument or whatever it is you wanna do.

dramonic · Post Post #2094 (isolation #81) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:41 pm

WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

dramonic · Post Post #2102 (isolation #82) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:47 pm

In post 1002, dramonic wrote:Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

In post 1075, dramonic wrote:
In post 1012, rb wrote:@everyone who is calling Expedience Town: Wtf are you seeing in him that's Town?

He doesn't provide reasons for anything he does, he barely responds to questions, he doesn't do anything that I can even perceive as pro-town.

In post 1030, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1002, dramonic wrote:Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.
I would buy that but on my only game with Exp he at least tried to read me and provided reasoning for his scumread on me "he didn't like my townhunting strategy coz he didnt understand it at the time", here he has provided no reasoning.
@Both: He's provided plenty of reasons. The fact those reasons are awful beyond belief doensn't mean they aren't there. They're beyond the point of no return, but they're there.
Don't break the spell it's
hilarious

EDIT: You're full of hate

In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?

Those are for Nahdia

dramonic · Post Post #2105 (isolation #83) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:52 pm

In post 1234, Cephrir wrote:yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

In post 1919, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1893, Titus wrote:
In post 1890, Heartless wrote:
In post 1845, Luna Fox wrote:I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.
Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.
The thought of 22 days of this is nausea inducing.

Let's lynch Kuroi.

VOTE: Kuroi

In post 1220, Heartless wrote:VOTE: Almost50

I like this better than Wayward.

In post 1462, Heartless wrote:

VOTE: Kuroi

These are all preeeeeeeetty much naked votes.

dramonic · Post Post #2113 (isolation #84) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:01 pm

In post 777, Expedience wrote:
In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.
Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

In post 784, Expedience wrote:Titus just got called out for indirectly defending me, and rather than make her stance more clear (since she could easily get away with saying that she was only slightly townreading me or just considering possibilities), she just doubles down on the read with terrible reasoning.

In post 859, Expedience wrote:
In post 838, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy
Because he's been calling me scum for no reason and i don't like that
If you're town and aware that you have weaknesses like this, then you shouldn't be voting me.

The emote is so out of place and leads to this interpretation.

This is scummy and shows a difference between stance and implied opinion.

In this way this post is a scumclaim but I don't have the right words to describe it... I feel like I did a bad job of explaining.

In post 932, Expedience wrote:
In post 824, davesaz wrote:Also @Expedience: 755 uses the word "someone" but I haven't seen you call it out.

In post 927, RAM wrote:
In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.
That is an incredibly weak point. Do you sincerely believe him talking about past games means he is scum here? I feel like it would have been far more contrived if he had said "last time I played as town (other than this game) was two months ago". Plus, it is arguable that using the words "the last time I did x" rather than "I haven't done x since" implies that THIS TIME x is the case. (Granted, I did not go reread those posts to see exactly what phrasing he used, I'm basing my interpretation off the exact phrasing you used to reference his comment)

Bad point is bad.

Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.

(Sorry, mobile, or I'd go back and get you the actual posts)

Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?

Nahdia, when you wake up in the morning(and you specifically, not the other heads of your hydra), please explain this Expedience attack to me again, in a different fashion if at all possible. I don't really see the cause for the pressure on him (unless it's pressure for pressures sake, but that doesn't seem to be the case, a bunch of people appear to legitimately believe they're scum), and I'd like to understand this better. And since you started it, I feel hearing your reasoning in greater depth if at all possible would be most informative.

-Cerb

Pedit: well, it seems my first point was just addressed. Good.
"just curious", no dude you're quietly gathering evidence to paint him as scum and you're probably scum yourself.

VOTE: Luna Fox, I don't want to vote rb any more since he might be town.

Wayward Thinker is painfully town. Both of the largest wagons are trash and this is sad.

In post 938, Expedience wrote:
In post 935, Almost50 wrote:4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.
Possibly the most indirect townclaim I have ever seen.

In post 988, Expedience wrote:
In post 978, Stormblade wrote:NO IT'S NOT. It's not about disagreeing with you. It's about you having a scum mindset. I never see town accuse someone of "not really scumreading them". It's such a disgusting way of framing a scumread. You're both discrediting scumreads on yourself and mudslinging someone else in one post, someone who happens to be fairly town, on that note. It's ridiculous. Your posts read strongly to me like someone who knows they are scum is making them. You absolutely
reek
of scum motivation to me. I don't see the logic in your reads except in that you're trying to dismantle the wagon against you.

-Nahdia
Maybe if you repeat it enough times it'll become true.

I think it's a useful tell. It's not a way of framing a scumread, it's evidence to support a scumread. Luna Fox doesn't think that I'm scum but she's voting me, therefore she is scum.

Of course I'm going to "discredit my wagon" or whatever, I'm town.

Is the gladiate real?

I guess you're town though.

Posts like these Nahdia

EDIT: Oh my FUCKING GOD

EDITx2: I don't have a problem with your vote tho so?

dramonic · Post Post #2117 (isolation #85) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:04 pm

It can be for you too, I just don't expect you to fix your read.

EDIT: Plot fallacy.

dramonic · Post Post #2129 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:18 pm

In post 2118, Titus wrote:@dram can you give details on your Wt read and why he's self preserving? Also, can you talk about why the Kuroi wagon is shit?

His stance are weak as fuck and he ovejustifies his plays.
Kuroi wagon has WT, you, Toog, Luna, and beeboy on it. It could hardly have more flashing red lights saying "bad wagon". And that's ignoring the fact that his play isn't scummy anyways.

@Dave: I've given reason for why those quotes are town literally one post earlier.

Heartless is steadily burning through their towncred.

dramonic · Post Post #2133 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:25 pm

You're mistaking town for protown.

EDIT: no

dramonic · Post Post #2134 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:26 pm

In post 629, Wayward Thinker wrote:We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

In post 2116, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 2110, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 961, Wayward Thinker wrote:
It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.
You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?
Nope, I'm not Scum. But just in case you think I am, I have never been that obvious as Scum to give a teammate such a strong town read. In short, I'm not stupid, I just know when a Town player is misunderstood because I've been there.

These are probably the two scummiest posts in the game, and it's not even a close one.

dramonic · Post Post #2139 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:29 pm

Holy shit this game has over 2k posts.

dramonic · Post Post #2177 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:32 pm

In post 2174, mastin2 wrote:
<<< By the way, if you have ANY concern with ANY player, or any trend players (not just one player in specific) are showing, feel free to either speak up or contact me privately! I WILL try to help with your concern. I can't solve every problem, but some I may be able to address!
This, of course, obviously also applies to me: if you have any concerns with my policies as a moderator, I will listen to them. If you have concerns about the game, I may not be able to answer them, but if I can I will try. >>>

I have a problem with Franky's posting frequency.

<<< I can poke him, but I already investigated this. Franky announced elsewhere that he was V/LA for another day. He failed to announce this here, but I hold reason to trust that as accurate, and thus, have not pressed him about it. >>>

dramonic · Post Post #2178 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:32 pm

@Dave: This is full on derp pants-on-head after every Expe quote then

dramonic · Post Post #2187 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:56 pm

Technically I said "OMG this is so stupid it HAS to come from town".
Scum play requires a certain amount of reflexion when it comes to building cases (albeit not as much in multiball) because you know that you're (most likely) wrong about your read so it has to make sense for when the person ends up flipping town. Expe's posts are...

really

not concerned with that, to put it politely.

dramonic · Post Post #2189 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:01 pm

It's not too scummy to be scum, it's not too good to be true.
Find a better player to post. Oh wait, you have one.

dramonic · Post Post #2197 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:08 pm

In post 2190, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
In post 2189, dramonic wrote:It's not too scummy to be scum, it's not too good to be true.
Find a better player to post. Oh wait, you have one.
Thats even worst

and what?

~Ice

This is a more polite way of saying I don't value your thoughts on what constitute proper play.
Meanwhile, Firebringer, who while I dislike is at least capable of coherent reasoning (

and basic fucking grammar

), is also part of your slot, so you should let him take over and spare me your garbage.
<3

dramonic · Post Post #2203 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:14 pm

Yes, that's pretty unfortunate, but c'est la vie.

dramonic · Post Post #2207 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:20 pm

sup fire?

dramonic · Post Post #2209 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:24 pm

You probably should!~

dramonic · Post Post #2215 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:43 pm

I... whut?

EDIT: Your slot is the highest poster in the game fire <_<

dramonic · Post Post #2220 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:49 pm

In post 2219, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
In post 2215, dramonic wrote:I... whut?

EDIT: Your slot is the highest poster in the game fire <_<
oh and all my fucking Iso is pure content

so you may just fuck off <3

~Ice

This has literally no bearing on my point.
Please keep your emotions in check.

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:57 pm

I dunno if it's off-topic, you people are CONSTANTLY referencing other games

I think you're town. Discuss.

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:04 pm

In post 2227, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I hope they just ban you for abusive behavior and trolling about my play and me being game. so thats all fine

There's a report function if you want to use it and we have a mod who you can message. She'll tell me to tone it down if she thinks I crossed the line?

EDIT: @Cerb: please standby

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:13 pm

In post 2229, RAM wrote:Hey dram, I get you dislike the composition of the Kuroi wagon, but I'm having trouble accepting him hard scumreading someone who is like super fucking likely to be town and basically dismissing the entire context of Lunas claim claim etc.

Ignore rhe wagon composition. Where are you at on Kuroi as it specifically relates to his play?

I wouldn't say he's dismissing as much as not addressing.
I like his votes (obviously the last one the most), I'm not concerned with his play as it stands right now. The Luna thing is off, but it's not really something that's all that incriminating to me. I don't get how he can think Luna is scum, but I don't think it's coming from scum either.

Also I know you said to ignore the wagon composition, but him and wayward are crossvoting, so it's pretty relevant to me.

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:15 pm

And a mended one from me.
WHICH HEART MATTERS FIRE?

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:17 pm

In post 2237, RAM wrote:For the record, FA, Dram just insulted your play, not you. It's par for the course really. Last game I played with him he spent most of it insulting thr majority of the town for not lynching his scum reads.

Anyways, my point is I would be SHOCKED(and a little outraged, actually) if anything was done to him.

Technically I also insulted her grammar, but I'm not a native speaker either and her posts are frequently hard to parse IMO

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:24 pm

... I just replied to Cerb on that very subject <_<

And I would suggest reading WT if it's not already done.

EDIT: My scumread is voting a person, that person is voting my scumread. Are you suggesting they're crossbussing?

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:26 pm

wagon composition is hardly irrelevant copper. This isn't a VCA

dramonic · Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:38 pm

The fact they're crossvoting is (for me) a point in favor of Kuroi being town. Honestly, WT voting Kuroi is more relevant here than Kuroi voting WT.
Kuroi is arguably the counterwagon to Wayward at this point, said wagon built from (at least to some extent) a WT post. It's unlikely that the scum response to being wagonned is to throw your buddy under the bus. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Regardless it requires WT to be scum :p

EDIT: Again, I've ISOed Kuroi and given my thoughts to cerb last page.
YOU DAMN PEOPLE =_=

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:01 am

Cerb

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:04 am

You might be a refined AI

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:33 am

Franky is V/LA tho?
Assuming that's who we're talking about

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:39 am

WT no?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:27 am

WT and Kuroi. You can look into expe too if you want but thats just cuz I want to make sure youre aware of his... play... as a whole

Edit: My tears are a river

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:39 am

So you think they're crossbussing?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:03 pm

oh you

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:07 pm

I did make one comment about wagon composition, so that's a pretty aggressive stance.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:19 pm

I mean, I've used the words "wagon composition" a few time, but it's pretty much always referred to specifically "WT's vote". Except the one time.

I think WT is scum, which I believe I've made obvious.
Kuroi is his counterwagon (or was at that point)
They are voting each other.
It doesn't look like a bus.

However, even if kuroi were to flip scum, it wouldn't make WT less likely to be scum because multiball.

You're using multiball to say I shouldn't townread Kuroi for voting my scumread, but the exact same argument can be made for me to not stop scumreading WT for voting your scumread <_<

I'm... confused as to what your point is supposed to be?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 2253, dramonic wrote:The fact they're crossvoting is (for me) a point in favor of Kuroi being town.
Honestly, WT voting Kuroi is more relevant here than Kuroi voting WT.

I'm not gonna unvote my primary scumread to vote on the wagon he's leading.

EDIT: Toog and molla are sheep votes, Titus has stated several times that WT's post is the greatest thing since sliced bread (not literally), and Luna is... town but is Luna :p

And obviously, WT is still there.

I'm not saying "These votes are scummy scummy scummy", but they're

weak.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:43 pm

Heart, complete derail: What are your thoughts on RAM?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:04 pm

So, I voiced my reasons for sticking to one of the two, but I'm curious why you and salt are adamant on sticking onto Kuroi?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:13 pm

In post 2598, Salt Squad wrote:I don't care what order we lynch them in.
If we lynch WT first will you stay quiet?

It's worth a shot

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:25 pm

hmmmm

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 2604, Heartless wrote:
In post 2603, dramonic wrote:hmmmm
oh noes, the shade

but for realz, if u want to know why theyre on the "no touch list" it's b/c i think bins is pleasant and easy enough to play with to merit not touching on day 1 (just on its own)

(take the implications of that how you will...)

I asked before you provided your readlist actually, so that's unrelated.
I'm feeling super uneasy about their recent posting.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:43 pm

@Heart

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 2609, Heartless wrote:
In post 2605, dramonic wrote:I asked before you provided your readlist actually, so that's unrelated.
I'm feeling super uneasy about their recent posting.
hm... you mean bins' skirmish with rb?

Yeah

EDIT: THAT IS SUCH A WEIRD STANCE THO @_@

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:08 pm

In post 2618, Heartless wrote:
In post 2613, dramonic wrote:EDIT: THAT IS SUCH A WEIRD STANCE THO @_@
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh come on dram

dont tell me there arent ppl you respect/like enough to not lynch d1

I do, like Cerb, and it makes me uncomfortable <.<

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:28 pm

In post 2129, dramonic wrote:His stance are weak as fuck and he ovejustifies his plays.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:53 pm

Yes, that's defo what happened.

EDIT: Albert don't be a bitch <.<

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:01 pm

That was certainly... something.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:01 pm

How do you even reverse-hydra-slip? <_<

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:01 pm

So is this a mirror match or...?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:17 pm

Your e-dick is in your closet?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:22 pm

... Squad, that's a quote from last page.
Can't you just SCROLL UP?

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:33 pm

Dunno, ask Titus.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:47 pm

How unusual!~

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:55 pm

I appreciate the effort Math.

dramonic · Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:35 pm

In post 2748, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 2437, rb wrote:
In post 2433, RAM wrote:
In post 2430, rb wrote:@RAM

Cool. So let's get this straight.

When RAM says:

"I strongly townread X person"

RAM actually means:

"I don't see the reasoning for why X person is scum"

?

And you wonder why I have trouble interpreting your posts
when did i ever say i strongly townread either WT or kuroi.........

i have a mild VERY null mild townread on both of them
enough that i'm uncomfortable with their lynches

kuroi i also have a problem with his wagon which i have explained
WT i have already explained why i dont see them as scum like most people do

titus idk he hasn't said anything in PT
Okay but most people aren't seeing WT as scum as far as I can tell. I keep hearing people tell me he's Town but I can never get a decent reason out of them. So why is he NOT scum then, in your opinion because I honestly don't feel like the general consensus is that WT is scum and I'm tired of being told he's not scum without good reasons. His wagon also pretty much evaporated and went onto Kuroi which is why I'm townreading Kuroi and intensifying in scumread of WT.
This is pre-flip, which is bad.

This is also pre-flip, which makes it also bad

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:37 am

In post 2765, Salt Squad wrote:
In post 2765, Wayward Thinker wrote:At this point I can't tell if Copper is just blatantly lying right now or not. I wouldn't be sad to see them go, honestly. There has been some really weird things said in the thread, like Luna's claim that they share a neighborhood. This just seems weird to me and I can't help but think it could be an elaborate way to cover up a Scum faction, not that I am hard core Scum reading anyone from that group. I actually have luna as Town, but Copper doesn't look good as things stand right now.
This is a post.

IKR?

In post 2828, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2824, No Retreat wrote:
In post 2822, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2820, No Retreat wrote:I don't really think the 5 factions things in the op flavor really has anything to do with the factions in this game.
Your faction is your wincon. They are not public information.

^^ This is from Mastin's setup posts.

You sure about that?
yes I know that, not really seeing where you are getting 5 factions from that though.

In post 2, mastin2 wrote:Yet a fifth faction
there's this but I would think it would just be flavor
.....

*bangs head against wall*

Seriously? Do you think that the moderator would tell us that faction = win con and then have number of wincon a be flavor?

Like what you are saying is fifth faction =flavor, faction = wincon, using the substitution property one gets fifth wincon = flavor. Wincon is never flavor.

No retreat pretty much has to be town for this derp tell. Would be shocked if they were scum.

The flavor speculation is idiotic, especially when we have reasons to think at least some of the factions are unrelated to the OP (see: Luna, copper, molla, Storm)

In post 2842, copper223 wrote:Math is right about the 5 factions, that is obviously the case and RB gets scum points for trying to cast doubt on it.

@Expe
So you are saying she has good tone as scum?

What I am getting is that rude Kling is more likely to be town Kling, that is likely what she means about Titus lying about her meta.

In post 2904, Salt Squad wrote:
This head (Heat) is V/LA until monday. Going Camping yo

Which head was that? <_<

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:38 am

In post 2926, Titus wrote:I'm about a 7-9. Same as Kuroi and Wake.

That being said, if you feel better on Kuroi, stay there. I don't have a guilty. We're both voting scum.

While I'd hate a WT lynch, I cannot prove their town without greatly damaging the health of the game state. We have town mostly working together.

You also can't prove they're town cuz they're scum.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:44 am

What do you mean?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:06 am

Have fun~

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:11 am

What we need to ascertain is wether the person we're lynching is WT or not. Wether he's scum isn't in question.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:44 am

In post 2937, rb wrote:
In post 2936, dramonic wrote:What we need to ascertain is wether the person we're lynching is WT or not. Wether he's scum isn't in question.
It's comments like this that make me really want Dram to be town. Please Dram don't be scum Dram.

Baby stay with me, we'll ride into the sunset on matching horses.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:43 am

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh still not feeling the kuroi votes.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:12 am

I'm not ignoring you, but what really gives me the jeebies on your slot is mostly Bins stuff, and I have had poor results on reading Bins in the past *coughfakecopguiltycough*
I'm on the fence IRT KC. She is completely disconnected from the game, her reasoning on Expe and NR is trash and she seems delusional based on the whole "X, Y and Z are scum, follow me to the promised land!" posts. The bravado is town, the content is scum. I wouldn't fight her death, but I'm not gonna push it over WT.

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dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:13 am

Has Drixx ever posted?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:24 am

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:41 am

"This is what you are thinking" is wrong 95% of the time.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:09 am

I want a snowing sherbert

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:21 am

... congratulation on full claiming on D1?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:26 am

In post 3013, rb wrote:Which one's the cult faction?

The one with the non-limited recruit.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:34 am

Don't lose hope rb, after this whole shitshow is over we can build ourselves a nice cottage in the mountains and live a quiet life of leasure.

@Toog: You've made yourself negative utility to every faction including your own. GJ champ.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:40 am

Not gonna draw you a picture Toog.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:45 am

Unfortunately that's pretty subjective.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:04 am

In post 3045, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3035, dramonic wrote:Unfortunately that's pretty subjective.
Stop trying to be a mafia purist and understand that different mentalities play this game.[snip]

Now the question becomes, with this information, are you going to just mope around and berate my play, or are you going to do something constructive with it?

I'm not being a mafia purist, but "If I'm the cause of this loss I'll never play again" on D1 is a dumb statement. Nobody ever thinks they're the reason the town lost.
And whatever you think I can do with your claim, you'll be the last person to be informed

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:07 am

Some people should not be allowed in theme games

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:32 am

In post 3061, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3059, dramonic wrote:Some people should not be allowed in theme games
Go outside and kick some stones. Come back when you're ready to play mafia.

In post 3045, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 3035, dramonic wrote:Unfortunately that's pretty subjective.
Stop trying to be a mafia purist and understand that different mentalities play this game.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:36 am

Okay seriously Kuroi, you don't HAVE to correct the yours in every post <_<

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:42 am

The very first word is a you're <.<

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:19 am

Weren't you already voting him ceph?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:41 am

You're a special snowflake Cerb <_<

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:47 am

...
Oh rly?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:51 am

The phrase "shitting me" is definitely in that post.

EDIT: Whatever this circus is isn't a sign of scumminess, it's a sign of [redacted]

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:52 am

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:04 pm

If I were a flavor-speculation powered vig, I think I could shoot the entire game

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:13 pm

PREPOSTEROUS

EDIT: If it really worked that way a mass race claim would break the game Ceph.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:14 pm

My theory, which is probably the most farfetched of all, is that Mastin is actually not a garbage mod that would break her game in the opening flavor.
Crazy shit, but bear with me!

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:22 pm

dem buzzwords.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:27 pm

You're interacting with Kuroi, so...

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 3197, Stormblade wrote:I still kinda feel like Kuroi is VI, tbh...

-Nahdia

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:39 pm

violins.mp3

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:52 pm

~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~

<<< The first is true. The second is not, but is incredibly poor sportsmanship. >>>

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 3228, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 3224, dramonic wrote:~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~
Who's bringing outside influence into the game?
I might just be replacing out for Raisins. Why do you have a problem with that?

You're threatening to replace out because of ingame reasons. Replacing out is an out-of-game mechanic.
You are using replacing out as a threat to change people's view on you.
You deserve a fate far worse than the wagon you're facing.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:17 pm

We really need a votecount <_<

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:21 pm

obnoxious is not alignment indicative.
You need to read up on ~psychology~ mate.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:26 pm

But what about a votecount?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:44 pm

*coughbullshitcough*

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 3250, Wake1 wrote:Not sure how I feel about dramonic's 3230, insofar as he may be taunting WT with that last line (when something seems to go beyond what is necessary, it makes you wonder).

It's not taunting.
I'm not the mod, it's not my call to make.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:08 pm

Well T|T doesn't give the illusion that you're contributing to the game, so it's more accurate.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:18 pm

That is a depressingly tiny WT wagon.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:20 pm

How naive

EDIT: I gave my reasons several time actually.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:21 pm

first part @3280

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:30 pm

In post 2094, dramonic wrote:WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

In post 2117, dramonic wrote:It can be for you too, I just don't expect you to fix your read.

EDIT: Plot fallacy.

In post 2129, dramonic wrote:
In post 2118, Titus wrote:@dram can you give details on your Wt read and why he's self preserving? Also, can you talk about why the Kuroi wagon is shit?
His stance are weak as fuck and he ovejustifies his plays.
Kuroi wagon has WT, you, Toog, Luna, and beeboy on it. It could hardly have more flashing red lights saying "bad wagon". And that's ignoring the fact that his play isn't scummy anyways.

@Dave: I've given reason for why those quotes are town literally one post earlier.

Heartless is steadily burning through their towncred.

In post 2134, dramonic wrote:
In post 629, Wayward Thinker wrote:We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

In post 2116, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 2110, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 961, Wayward Thinker wrote:
It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.
You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?
Nope, I'm not Scum. But just in case you think I am, I have never been that obvious as Scum to give a teammate such a strong town read. In short, I'm not stupid, I just know when a Town player is misunderstood because I've been there.
These are probably the two scummiest posts in the game, and it's not even a close one.

In post 2748, dramonic wrote:
In post 2748, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 2437, rb wrote:
In post 2433, RAM wrote:
In post 2430, rb wrote:@RAM

Cool. So let's get this straight.

When RAM says:

"I strongly townread X person"

RAM actually means:

"I don't see the reasoning for why X person is scum"

?

And you wonder why I have trouble interpreting your posts
when did i ever say i strongly townread either WT or kuroi.........

i have a mild VERY null mild townread on both of them
enough that i'm uncomfortable with their lynches

kuroi i also have a problem with his wagon which i have explained
WT i have already explained why i dont see them as scum like most people do

titus idk he hasn't said anything in PT
Okay but most people aren't seeing WT as scum as far as I can tell. I keep hearing people tell me he's Town but I can never get a decent reason out of them. So why is he NOT scum then, in your opinion because I honestly don't feel like the general consensus is that WT is scum and I'm tired of being told he's not scum without good reasons. His wagon also pretty much evaporated and went onto Kuroi which is why I'm townreading Kuroi and intensifying in scumread of WT.
This is pre-flip, which is bad.
This is also pre-flip, which makes it also bad

In post 3225, dramonic wrote:
In post 3228, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 3224, dramonic wrote:~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~
Who's bringing outside influence into the game?
I might just be replacing out for Raisins. Why do you have a problem with that?
You're threatening to replace out because of ingame reasons. Replacing out is an out-of-game mechanic.
You are using replacing out as a threat to change people's view on you.
You deserve a fate far worse than the wagon you're facing.

That is the crux of what I've highlighted/said irt WT.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:35 pm

Congrats on quoting specifically the posts that avoid the crux of the reasoning.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:48 pm

All aboard the train!~
Next stop, WT's trachea, where we will observe the mysterious art known as word swallowing!

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:03 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, get your cameras, the creature is choking!

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:04 pm

those counterpoints are literally "you have a read on me, that's not concrete!"

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:14 pm

#empty

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:18 pm

Hey WT, next time you feel like posting something like 3306, you can just use this instead:

you're welcome

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:56 pm

In post 3373, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2809, Klingoncelt wrote:I have never lurked as Scum - or Town or 3rd Party, and I sure as fuck would never lie about V/LA.
What's your definition of lurking?? Cuz I would call your play in Soccer Spirits "mostly lurking".

qft

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:04 pm

This looks looks like everyone who's antagonized her + me.
I feel special.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:04 pm

*lists looks

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:21 pm

If a vig has a strong read on a player I'm all for the vig taking his personal shot, but otherwise shooting people the town has voiced a strong interest in lynching is pretty standard.

edit: What about the other 3?

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:24 pm

fair nuff.

dramonic · Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:17 pm

...You could vote the one with a wagon on him?

dramonic · Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:37 am

In post 3492, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3490, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Its a tool with random result, it has no efficiency .
it makes me so happy that i am not going to be the only person bitching about this

I have nothing to add that wont get me modkilled

Also this kuroi wagon is ~completely shallow~

dramonic · Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:41 am

~Kuroi is gonna flip town, yall are gonna try to justify yourselves, but he's not scummy he's just an asshole~
~flimsy case is flimsy~

dramonic · Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:48 am

It's actually really really easy to metadive for a phrase.
Advanced search -> user: frozen angel -> post contain: shit
Result: all the instances of shit in a frozen post.

dramonic · Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:54 am

In post 3514, Tim wrote:@stormblade

I'd like a VC again

Prepare for sadness

Edit: Why challenge people to fault him then? I assume he didn't know of this method.

Edit: This is visibly not a bus

dramonic · Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:56 am

What are you even talking about? <_<