Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Thor665]

Vote: Transcend

Choo-choo!

[Luna Fox]

Oh game began already? Why no daystart pm, tojam pls.

Hello everyone!

[Io]

VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.

[Thor665]

VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.

That logic would make Transcend scum - so why aren't you voting the larger wagon?

[tojam2]

Please welcome gigabyteTroubadour!

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.

I am not igonring the votes placed upon him, i just dont vote until i have a certain ammount of townreads to PoE the game.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.

That logic would make Transcend scum - so why aren't you voting the larger wagon?

Also i like the logic thor portrays here.

[tojam2]

VC Day 1 - 1

Transcend L-3 - karnos, Killthestory, Thor665
Luna Fox L-5 - Io

(expired on 2016-07-29 16:30:00)

[Killthestory]

quickhammer within 5 pages

[Luna Fox]

quickhammer within 5 pages

Why?

[Killthestory]

because i said so

[tojam2]

You need 6 votes for a hammer and 5 of the PMs haven't been sent properly yet, they're stuck in my Outbox.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Hey guys! This is my first game out of Rome.

VOTE: Killthestory

Only mafia can kill, ergo, scum!

Also considering doing a RQS, I'll get back to everyone on that.

I will say though that I'm personally not a fan of people who don't like to vote at all, but at the moment that's NAI to me.

[Luna Fox]

because i said so

Once again why?

I hope we dont go into an endless loop like last time with you arguing with me about me getting gut townreads.

[Killthestory]

gut townreads are great.

i don't think you're playing with the same player as you were before.

[Killthestory]

but again

because i said so

[Luna Fox]

gut townreads are great.

i don't think you're playing with the same player as you were before.

Good to know, i've also changed a bit since our last game ^_^

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I will say though that I'm personally not a fan of people who don't like to vote at all, but at the moment that's NAI to me.

Completely misread what was going on because in the rush of replacing in, don't really ask how. I swear that I typically read things more carefully

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I know some players are really adamant about hating RQS's, so if you're one of those you don't have to answer mine. I would like anyone answering this to put it behind a spoiler because I'd rather not be responsible for filling up this game's pages with what others may consider to be fluff.

Spoiler: RQS

• 1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence?
  
  2. How would you describe your level of experience?
  
  3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO?
  
  4. What's your Myers-briggs personality type? Here's a link to a test for it if you don't know yours, but you can skip this one if you don't feel like wasting time.
  
  I ask this because a lot of my scumhunting comes from putting myself into other player's shoes and using that to figure out their motives, so knowing how someone thinks is useful for that. I don't really know how successful this'll be but it's worth a shot!
  
  5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general?
  
  6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline?
  
  7. Are you scum?

[Killthestory]

1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence? either

2. How would you describe your level of experience? 60-70

3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO? ISO

5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general? lynch all liars is good because unless town has a good reason to lie, then they shouldn't be lying. i mean a good, logical reason, too.

6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline? no

7. Are you scum? lol

VOTE: gigabyeTroubadour

[Killthestory]

by 60-70 i'm referring to games played

[Luna Fox]

1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence?

2. How would you describe your level of experience?

3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO?

4. What's your Myers-briggs personality type? Here's a link to a test for it if you don't know yours, but you can skip this one if you don't feel like wasting time.

I ask this because a lot of my scumhunting comes from putting myself into other player's shoes and using that to figure out their motives, so knowing how someone thinks is useful for that. I don't really know how successful this'll be but it's worth a shot!

5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general?

6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline?

7. Are you scum?

1) Mostly gut, but sometimes evidence (like counterwagons, etc) plays a big part.

2) Moderate.

3 )Multi-ISO or ISO.

4) Apparently protagonist ^_^;;

5) I dont like policy lynching, and i dont think that Lynch all lurkers is specifically policy.

6) I feel it's a good idea to utilize whatever i feel it's necessary.

7) No

Counterquestion to 7. Do you think scum would say Yes?

[karnos]

These things are fun, haven't seen one since my newbie games.

1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence?

60/40 slightly favoring evidence collection.

2. How would you describe your level of experience?

3 games completed, played in 7 others which are still ongoing, but I learn quick.

3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO?

I've never re-read the entire thread late game, but I will read an iso and maybe the last 10 pages or so of the full thread.

4. What's your Myers-briggs personality type? Here's a link to a test for it if you don't know yours, but you can skip this one if you don't feel like wasting time.

Maybe do this later, I think I was INTP when I did a test 10+ years ago.

5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general?

I put this stuff in my wiki page just a couple days ago.

Spoiler: game philosophy

Town can and should lie. "Lynch all liars" is a fallacy. As an obvious example, a town cop who is questioned "are you a cop?" should almost always lie, unless he was in a situation where revealing his role would have been the best move anyway. Note, however, that certain lies are much more likely to hurt town rather than help. For example, claiming a power role you don't have may cause the real power role to counterclaim you- you just hurt town. These sorts of lies that tend to hurt town should lead to you being lynched, if caught. You will make town lose, and you will deserve to lose. A quick way to tell if your lie is pro-town or not is to pretend someone else used the lie. Would you be inclined to lynch them? If so, don't use that lie!
Don't Always Show Your Hand Common meta on these boards seems to be that a good town should be constantly sharing reads. I disagree. In short, this can give a useful road map to the scum team. If you are reading them all as null/town or better, they know they can safely keep you alive, while the kill the person with less favorable reads. There certainly are times where you want to dump your full reads- when in the spotlight of L-1 for example, in twilight after being lynched, or when you have a strong reason to believe you will be killed at night. But for the majority of the game, I think the better strategy is to be fairly vague, only sharing reads as needed to explain your votes or avoid lynching a strong town read.
L-1 is a Useful Tool Some players have a strange aversion to seeing anyone at L-1 before the town as a whole is ready to lynch the player. I don't. My philosophy is simple- you will get the best reads from someone who is at L-1 and who thinks he could be hammered at any time. If you have a timid-townie who immediately unvotes to protect your potential scum from a derphammer, the effect is enormous: the potential scum immediately knows the pressure was fake, there is no real risk of getting lynched right now, and he can take his time and think about the best possible strategy. The fear tends to be that a clueless player will hammer the L-1 in error. To me, that is a stupid thing to be afraid of. If you have a player that terrible, then you need to out them and remove them from the game, because they will cause you to lose in LYLO. Trying to dance around the possibility of a derphammer early game just helps the clueless townie blend in until endgame when he becomes a huge liability. You should always play as if all town players are rational and decent players, working around town being dumb just opens you up to being fooled by scum who feign being dumb townies. Sanity check: this is regard non-LYLO play. When you get into a situation where scum can hammer and don't care about being seen as scum, the play is a bit different.

6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline?

Generally yes, but there are absolutely exceptions, some of which aren't very rare. Example: you are a cop with a guilty and you haven't outed yourself. You have a chance to quick hammer your guilty, you take it and end the day early.

7. Are you scum?

I didn't read my role yet, did you? Just kidding! (please don't ban me)

No.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Counterquestion to 7. Do you think scum would say Yes?

Spoiler: RVS talk (not actual answers to my own)

Of course not, it's a joke question. Although I could imagine some people forcing out weird joke answers to it and I would be pretty suspicious of that. It's not so much a "yes" or "no" question but it's how it's answered I'm more interested in.

Also, thanks for taking the time to actually answer 4 ;S. So an ENFJ, makes sense you're more of a gut-person. I'll answer my own RQS after a few more answers.

I'm kind of getting towny vibes (more from KTS actually, but that just might be his personality) from both of your answers but I really don't think I'm skilled enough to make actually good tonal reads from people.

UNVOTE: KTS

It would be awkward to keep my vote on someone I am gut-townreading though. About to read Karnos's answers.

[Killthestory]

at least your skillful enough to see how obvtown i am

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I didn't read my role yet, did you? Just kidding! (please don't ban me)

No.

Answers like this, for example, seem a little forced to me. There's a difference between a joke someone makes when they're nervous (and thus scum or at least scummy) or just trying to have fun. The "Just kidding" and giving an actual answer after the joke makes it seem more like the former to me, it's pretty forced.

VOTE: Karnos

Since I like having a vote down during RVS anyway.