Dragon Age Mafia [Game Over]

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus why not ask DGB or someone else from Orlais who the warden was?

Because they were not kingmaker.

Rb played along.

There's no one alive who can confirm other than common sense.

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus thinks scum is actively killing people in Tevinter while also saying tevinter is all town and chainsawing those who scum read Tevinter

Scum want to break up the Tevinter masonry.

Then why is scum shooting people opposed to Tevinter holy shit

They voted RR and Tevinter mislynches are a bonus.

[Motoko and Scully]

Tell me why as scum I would kill ABR right now

Remove a cop
Shade Luna
Doubtcast Tevinter

[Motoko and Scully]

Like that's true of any scum given no one believed me when I said ABR was lying town.

[Motoko and Scully]

Tell me why as scum I would kill ABR right now

Remove a cop
Shade Luna
Doubtcast Tevinter

I was town reading Luna
I was town reading Luna
You are chainsawing 1/3rd of the thread

We're starting from the position you were scum. Alleged townreads are irrelevant.

He was unlynchable.

[Motoko and Scully]

You are not today's lynch. RR and Shiro are the candidates.

Oh and I protect town, no matter the cost.

I only have 1 crapy ability left anyway.

[Motoko and Scully]

you also said RB was scum so there goes your credibility again

I was wrong about a liar and I scumread them for lying.

Rb was also the sole possibility of Tevinter scum. So...

[Motoko and Scully]

Tell me why as scum I would kill ABR right now

Remove a cop
Shade Luna
Doubtcast Tevinter

I was town reading Luna
I was town reading Luna
You are chainsawing 1/3rd of the thread

We're starting from the position you were scum. Alleged townreads are irrelevant.

He was unlynchable.

Town reading Luna is definitely the path I would take if my goal was to ML her good thinking!

You did a lot of doubt casting. You still are.

You're also not helping her results be accurate.

You're still just whining that you ABR and RB lied to get your way and don't get townread for it.

[Motoko and Scully]

Liars don't get townreads until proven otherwise or by lynching scum.

You do neither.

[Motoko and Scully]

So what?

Scum piled on my wagon. Town know better. Except for Luna who doesn't give two shits.

When you actually scumhunt and not just claim scum has to be there despite the evidence to the contrary, let me know.

[Motoko and Scully]

Or do you really think Yume is town?

[Motoko and Scully]

I'm not scared to die and be right.

I'm scared to lie and be wrong.

[Motoko and Scully]

You are arguing that as scum I would kill into a list of players that would make lynch easier while also killing people who share my scum reads.
You not being able to realize how terrible that is, is astounding to me

It was Scum's shot sand which given Tevinter is all town.

[Motoko and Scully]

You 180d your RadRat lynch to save yourself when you have been saying Shiro is the optimal lyncj all day

Wrong. I changed 1 theory because my townreads disagreed.

[Motoko and Scully]

This game is a chore

foxbeebirdboy, where else are you willing to lynch? M&S isn't getting lynched

I still want you to track who luna visits tonight or do whatever

This.

Like the tantrums need to stop. Even I am bored.

[Motoko and Scully]

I think a nap would be more productive.

Beeboy, whether town or scum, is never going to let scumhunting happen.

[Motoko and Scully]

Uhh Titus why does scum beeboy motivate me? i dont get it.

Not doing so is a scumclaim.

@Beeboy, what makes you think I am negotiating. Tevinter is all town.

[Motoko and Scully]

Uhh Titus why does scum beeboy motivate me? i dont get it.

Not doing so is a scumclaim.

@Beeboy, what makes you think I am negotiating. Tevinter is all town.

Why? My guilty got ABR lynched he had all reason to doubt me.

He allegedly had to because he was letting others do his dirty work with jabs. Beeboy is my weakest scumread though. He's probably endgame scum.

Take out the pieces and he will fall.

[Motoko and Scully]

You literally quoted dunnstrals post asking me to lynch someone who isn't you how is that not negotiating lol?

Titus you can't honeslty quote a post agreeing with Dunnstral I should compromise on a lynch and say you aren't negotiating with me 5 posts later

Telling you who the town should lynch is not a negotiation.

[Motoko and Scully]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

[Motoko and Scully]

Ok so you negotied with Dunn. I just happen to be your target. I am not negotiating. One of the redirectors dies.

[Motoko and Scully]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

I am an adolescent for scum reading you? Despite you confbiasing me for 3 dies while I also provide actual proof you re scum and I am the asshole?
Ok then Titus

ABR and RB were the assholes.

You just think ego and tantrums are evidence.

Evidence proves things.

Like ABR being the NK so no scum in Tevinter.

You can't buy there's an all town hood you are not in.

[Motoko and Scully]

You don't have a legit reason for believing I am scum.
Your reason is that I townread Tevinter.
Guess what, if I am right you have no reason.

Oh and I am town so *farts*

Seriously move on or quit peppering me with the same debate with no facts. It's wasting time.

[Motoko and Scully]

This is why I never play with ABR. He royally fucks over town.

[Motoko and Scully]

I wouldn't call you an asshole.

You objecting to reality is not a reason. Tevinter is all town.

Your stubbornness is being wrong is probably a town indicator as what others say. That doesn't mean your statements form a valid reason.


I defend town. You can scumhunt by making cases. Whining that I'm wrong about Tevinter is not scumhunting. None of this is. So you either case me for being right or shut up.

This game hasn't been fun since I was called a cunt. So if you want to mislynch me, do better. Then you can finish looking for the mysterious Tevinter scum you will never find.

[Motoko and Scully]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

I am an adolescent for scum reading you? Despite you confbiasing me for 3 dies while I also provide actual proof you re scum and I am the asshole?
Ok then Titus

ABR and RB were the assholes.

You just think ego and tantrums are evidence.

Evidence proves things.

Like ABR being the NK so no scum in Tevinter.

You can't buy there's an all town hood you are not in.

Because everything that has happened points toward Scum leaking info from Tevinter.
You've just made up this scenario where scum rely on luck for their lynches and entire neighborhoods lie randomly to convince yourself that there's not.

Either you are the Scumleak trying desparately to cover yourself up, or you're just too far into your confbias to accept that you were wrong about your pre-game reads.

Nope. I am right. There is no evidence suggesting a leak in Tevinter. The last possibility of that died with RB.

[Motoko and Scully]

This game is a chore

foxbeebirdboy, where else are you willing to lynch? M&S isn't getting lynched

I still want you to track who luna visits tonight or do whatever

And why aren't they getting lynched? They're at L-2. That's lynch danger if you ask me.

Because your whole team is already voting me or cannot vote me.

[Motoko and Scully]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

I am an adolescent for scum reading you? Despite you confbiasing me for 3 dies while I also provide actual proof you re scum and I am the asshole?
Ok then Titus

ABR and RB were the assholes.

You just think ego and tantrums are evidence.

Evidence proves things.

Like ABR being the NK so no scum in Tevinter.

You can't buy there's an all town hood you are not in.

Because everything that has happened points toward Scum leaking info from Tevinter.
You've just made up this scenario where scum rely on luck for their lynches and entire neighborhoods lie randomly to convince yourself that there's not.

Either you are the Scumleak trying desparately to cover yourself up, or you're just too far into your confbias to accept that you were wrong about your pre-game reads.

Nope. I am right. There is no evidence suggesting a leak in Tevinter. The last possibility of that died with RB.

The evidence is that scum decided to redirect Luna even with the threat of a Watcher being posted in the main thread, and decided to make her result guilty, despite no indication of who she would check being posted in public.

That's not a move Scum makes hoping to get lucky. That's a move Scum makes when they know it will work.

Like I said, the redirect is redundant if scum knew Luna was checking as ABR had to be the NK.

It's over. Stop beating a dead horse and scumhunt outside of the masonry or make a damn case on someone in it that's more than I disagree.

[Motoko and Scully]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

[Motoko and Scully]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Or scum hit BP. BP is a passive ability unless you're saying that you need to be warden for those too.

You'd think the BP claims yesterday since there's no way a BP is more than one shot given mechanics.

Second, I would believe they'd require warden anyway.

[Motoko and Scully]

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Uhh but RR wasnt the warden and you just said you'd need warden for BP.

He'd be scum warden in that setup.

Like I said, it's a stretch but it's the only way that ABR wasn't the Orlias warden that absorbed the kill, since no kill is absurd with two claimed cops and outed protectives.

[Motoko and Scully]

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Uhh but RR wasnt the warden and you just said you'd need warden for BP.

He'd be scum warden in that setup.

Like I said, it's a stretch but it's the only way that ABR wasn't the Orlias warden that absorbed the kill, since no kill is absurd with two claimed cops and outed protectives.

So you're saying the same thing Dunn says?

Except Dunn and I disagree about the likelihood of scenarios.

I believe Shiro is much more likely scum due to balance like PV says.

I'm not saying scum warden is impossible. I just find it unlikely. So Shiro should get rope. Compromise on RR.

[Motoko and Scully]

I don't want to lynch outside of those two though, as much as Beeboy is proscum.

[Motoko and Scully]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Why isn't a deliberate no kill a possibility?
No, it's not meta, and yes there were PRs that could have been targetted.

But what's stopping them from doing so? The motivation is there, and I'd even say it worked, because here you are arguing against the claims.

Killing ABR though? There's no motivation, he was a prime mislynch target. He very blatantly lied about being cop, and literally no one believed him. So why kill him?

He wasn't lynched, so people did.
Too many outed PRs.
ABR being lynched would not happen because he would just personally berate anyone who tried.

[Motoko and Scully]

Ok, I'll break that down.

First, no kill is preposterous with two claimed cops. Scum knew ABR was town, so they wanted to show ABR was town to disprove flavor linked to role, eliminate a cop, and doubtcast Tevinter.
But why ABR? We know Random didn't stop the kill due to someone vouching for receiving his double use. We know that Tevinter didn't stop the kill because Luna was warden. We know Shiro (if town) merely redirected someone.
That leaves ABR as the D1 target an orlesian warden stopped the kill or PV as the D1 killer and RR being elected a scum warden. We know the alleged Orlesian Warden didn't stop the kill because RB flipped bodyguard without a bulletproof vest.
That leaves a lying warden. We know that Tevinter and Ferelden could not be lying about their wardens. That leaves Antiva and Orlais. Antiva mass lying about votes and electing Shiro warden would be followed up with a claim of doctor most likely or Shiro is actually a redirector. So it cannot be the Antivan warden. That leaves Orlais as lying. Orlais is lying and ABR is warden is the only thing that fits.

Build from there. Why would scum shoot ABR? (Fill in your own reason here). I like the doubtcast Tevinter theory and mislynch ABR. If ABR flips cop, then Luna looks suspect and so does Tevinter as bloodmages not whatever Luna is would be assumed to be cops.

Yet, Luna decided to check ABR.

Scum wanted Luna to get a fake guilty, so they redirect.

It;s overkill.

[Motoko and Scully]

That's a terrible vote.

By lynching RR, we prove or disprove the scum in the wardens theory.
By lynching Shiro, we're more likely to hit scum.

By lynching my boy Dwlee, all we're going to do is annoy me.

[Motoko and Scully]

like I care if I annoy you

No, but you do actually care about doing the right thing, which is why you pushed so hard on Masq D1.

So why Dwlee now? He's awesome.

[Motoko and Scully]

He's scum b/c he doesn't give a shit who gets lynched between RR and you.

Couldn't he just be derp town who scumreads me?

[Motoko and Scully]

I disagree because it would be broken af
I didn't see beeboy's post about it but I agree with it

Then it should be simple.
Either you think i lied about my guilty, which by default makes me scum, or you think Shiro the only claimed redirector from the N1 Wardens had something to do with me getting a guilty on ABR.

Agreed. There's an outside shot of Random scum but it's moonlogic even to me.

The difference between lynching Shiro and RR is the belief in whether or not scum can elect their own warden.

[Motoko and Scully]

He's scum b/c he doesn't give a shit who gets lynched between RR and you.

They are very likely scum together if they are scum.

Who is "They" in your post here?

[Motoko and Scully]

Actually beeboy's theory makes more sense than Titus's scum decided to shoot ABR while redirecting me to scum while i was scanning ABR... as i said, the fact that I even got redirected means scum in Tevinter

Vote: Motoko

Back to this.

Beeboy's theory makes no sense.
We lynch in the redirectors if you're town makes the most sense.

There is no reason to shoot ABR if they were redirecting you and knew you checked ABR.

I don't get why you make it complicated at all.

[Motoko and Scully]

it got removed

Orrrrr there never was any mod announcement and you're making it up to cover a scumslip.

Your theory is that he's just bringing up for the first time now? In response to your allegations?

[Motoko and Scully]

@RR Do you believe there's more than two redirectors?

[Motoko and Scully]

On a practical level, how would that work? Redirector is a negative utility role and should not be elected warden ever. How many do you think there are?

If there were more redirectors, it makes sense for there to be many more cops and thus more people coming out of the wood work at Luna's claim.

The more logical conclusion is there is only two of each role no?

Sorry was me

[Motoko and Scully]

On a practical level, how would that work? Redirector is a negative utility role and should not be elected warden ever. How many do you think there are?

If there were more redirectors, it makes sense for there to be many more cops and thus more people coming out of the wood work at Luna's claim.

The more logical conclusion is there is only two of each role no?

Sorry was me

That's why I think it's a JOAT instead.

Two of each role makes sense, but I could easily see a JOAT replicating individual powers.

I disagree with you on negative utility though. Maybe in the early stages, but if a redirector finds scum, they can be fucked quite royally.

Even then, why would a redirector volunteer to be warden or wind up as warden? Why would they do everything in their power to NOT be elected warden?

And this mysterious joat doesn't have a pair?

The JOAT theory is frankly rather far out there... what evidence supports a joat? (I'm talking mechanics. Arguing Shiro and Luna are town so there has to be a joat doesn't count).

[Motoko and Scully]

Each player can only be warden twice... so why would scum have a joat?

[Motoko and Scully]

A joat seems really unlikely to me as well in all honesty

I'm presuming Luna is town to you, correct?

[Motoko and Scully]

A joat seems really unlikely to me as well in all honesty

I'm presuming Luna is town to you, correct?

If my theory is right then yes.

Do you believe there's more than 2 redirectors?

[Motoko and Scully]

M&S

- quick question for you just to clarify something. Well, two.

1) Did Luna announce in Hood who she was copping?
2) Do you believe the redirector specifically wanted a guilty on ABR?

1) She might as well have.
2) No. I believe scum wanted a guilty on anyone. Luna happened to target the person scum sent to nightkill.
3) If ABR died, that ruins scums fake guilty plan.
4) Scum therefore using the redirect and killing suggests a completely clear Tevinter.

[Motoko and Scully]

A joat seems really unlikely to me as well in all honesty

I'm presuming Luna is town to you, correct?

If my theory is right then yes.

Do you believe there's more than 2 redirectors?

Nope, the theory assumed RR scum

So you're at either Luna is scum or RR is?

[Motoko and Scully]

A joat seems really unlikely to me as well in all honesty

I'm presuming Luna is town to you, correct?

If my theory is right then yes.

Do you believe there's more than 2 redirectors?

Nope, the theory assumed RR scum

So you're at either Luna is scum or RR is?

Yup, From my PoV there is no alternative and I can see where this is going, your next question will be, So why are you voting me ? And the answer is I am following beeboys plan because it will prevent scum from killing Luna (in case she is town) which can assist us ton.

We have wardens for that.

[Motoko and Scully]

@Shaddowez,

Who asked for the Kingmaker to out in the hood?
Why would I know about what was going on in your hood? Your theory that I would guess that necessarily requires that I knew that someone asked and who that someone was. That's information I don't have.

[Motoko and Scully]

There's a third redirector out there somewhere.
Maybe Dunnstral, since he knew Scum had Warden in some capacity, and I can't imagine scum being eager to point out when they can't kill...

This is for sure bussing.

No. It's very dumb and making every excuse in the book not to vote Shiro. There's not likely a third anything. Three doesn't divide into 20. 4 does. 4 cops is too many. Thus, 2 is the cap for any given role. He just doesn't want to admit that Shiro's scum. Whether that's because he's derp town or scum remains to be seen.

Shiro, notably also takes the same position.

My position is that one of them is scum, and the other is head in sand denial.

[Motoko and Scully]

Huh, Shiro is actually voting Mokoto and Scully. That is not great...

Read beeboys plan and you will get why.

Yeah, keeping both redirectors alive ensures nothing. Beeboy's "plan" isn't worth shit and anyone with common sense knows that.

Any of the redirectors can fuck with any part, particularly if Dunn is right.

[Motoko and Scully]

So, why aren't you voting RR Shiro?

[Motoko and Scully]

So, why aren't you voting RR Shiro?

It's been about 2 hours...

[Motoko and Scully]

God damn timezones, It's been one.

[Motoko and Scully]

@iraonvp, Do you agree that Shiro or RR must be scum?

[Motoko and Scully]

Pretty much Shiro or RR has to be scum as Luna has zero to gain by this play and redirectors are not positive town utility.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: Iroanavp

That vote sucks Dunn.

[Motoko and Scully]

Pretty much Shiro or RR has to be scum as Luna has zero to gain by this play and redirectors are not positive town utility.

I disagree and I think that Luna Fox could have done it for that reason as WIFOM, since there was a claimed redirector she could put blame onto Shiro, and she felt threatened by ABR. I strongly think that Radical Rat is scum-aligned anyway, so this probably doesn't even matter.

Dunnstral is claiming to be scum-aligned by voting me instead of Radical Rat...

Dumb =/= stupid.

You should know that.

And how could Luna put blame onto Shiro when Luna claimed the guilty before knowing Shiro was a redirector?

[Motoko and Scully]

*Dumb =/= scum

[Motoko and Scully]

Yes. I did mean regarding Dunn that making a dumb vote doesn't mean scum.

Otherwise every player that ever voted me ever is scum, and that's insane.

As long as we're at the point that RR or Shiro must be scum, we're pretty much in the same place and there's no good reason not to vote in there. I prefer Shiro but she's not getting the votes.

[Motoko and Scully]

*he's

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: Iroanavp

wtf?

It's a strained and muted attempt to discredit me.

[Motoko and Scully]

why is no one dead yet

I didn't read the last ~30 pages but I assume it's just more of the same

can we lynch someone now

this is scum content with both of the leading wagons i.e MS and RR are town.

vote:Shiro

Okay, this is just ridiculous.

You are actually concluding the alignment based on pre-flip interactions? Don't you have a read on Radical Rat?

Different strokes different folks. If scum want it, it is bad.

[Motoko and Scully]

@cakey, I want to go Shiro, any chance you can join us?

[Motoko and Scully]

@cakey, I want to go Shiro, any chance you can join us?

It can't be Shiro... Why would Shiro claim redirector on day 2 unprompted (with intentions of proving PeregrineV and Radical Rat as scum-aligned) if she knew that ABR would flip town-aligned and then everyone would look at her?

In contrast, Radical Rat was forced to claim unintentionally because he outed his flavor and it was tied to role...

There's an old law tactic. Hide the bad facts. Mix them with good facts. They are required disclosures anyway.

[Motoko and Scully]

I dunno I like Dunns vote. Ira is just scumreading both claimed rediectors and Luna so it looks pretty chainlynchy to me.

What? I said I think Shiro is town-aligned many times, and I think Luna Fox is probably town-aligned too...

@iraonvp, Do you agree that Shiro or RR must be scum?

No, I don't agree. I think that Luna Fox could be scum-aligned. This is what I think:

It is most likely that Radical Rat redirected Luna Fox, then that Luna Fox is scum-aligned, then that Shiro is scum-aligned.

What are your scumreads outside of this train?

Do you think Radical Rat is town-aligned?

I do!

@cakey, I want to go Shiro, any chance you can join us?

It can't be Shiro... Why would Shiro claim redirector on day 2 unprompted (with intentions of proving PeregrineV and Radical Rat as scum-aligned) if she knew that ABR would flip town-aligned and then everyone would look at her?

In contrast, Radical Rat was forced to claim unintentionally because he outed his flavor and it was tied to role...

Your argument is that Shiro is town b/c they claimed early. Why couldn't she do that as scum?

Because after ABR flipped it would heavily implicate him...

Why don't you ee scum motivation in Shiro outting RR to decrease the chance she gets lynched?

That is null-aligned, it could be either.

What do you think of the people on RR? (Exclude me)

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: shiro

Iraonvp, you're being annoying atm. No one is really scummy on Shiro or RR. The constant deflection from a pool that everyone agrees has a scum (well minus DGB) suggests maybe they both are. Tevinter seems to be coming around on this though.

Shiro's just lost that Giffing feeling.

[Motoko and Scully]

It is quite simple.
You were likely redirected.
The only possible people who could do it were Shiro and RR.
Your cop results have value if not redirected.
Thus taking out the redirector(s) is key.

Shiro is scummy. She refuses to vote someone from his perspective should be confirmed scum.

Thus, he gets rope.

[Motoko and Scully]

You are trying really hard to deny it exists.

If Luna is town, someone had to fuck with her results.
The only two candidates are Shiro and RR.

[Motoko and Scully]

Lynching one and tracking the other ensures accuracy of Luna's result.
Then watcher or BG on Luna.

[Motoko and Scully]

Iraon, back up.

Explain why I am almost confirmed town.

1) There is confirmed scum voting for me.
A) No one believes Luna Fox, RR, and Shiro is all town.
B) all 3 are voting me.
C) therefore scum are voting for me.

VOTE: RR

For some reason, I thought Shiro had a vote or two.

[Motoko and Scully]

Shiro, your vote does not make sense. Could Mokoto and Scully have caused ABR's mislynch? No, only Luna Fox or Radical Rat could have caused this. This is why we are lynching Radical Rat, and then tracking Luna Fox!

Lynch RR, track Shiro, watch Luna seems to be the best plan.

[Motoko and Scully]

Hmm, Though as scum Luna could still go to the intended targets and come back with another mislynch.

-Hebi

[Motoko and Scully]

Hmm, Though as scum Luna could still go to the intended targets and come back with another mislynch.

-Hebi

Not if watched.

Watch guards against all bad actions unless scum want to tell us who did it, which nets a scum anyway.

[Motoko and Scully]

What? No, track ME, so it is known that i targeted my intentended targets, a watcher on me could find someone that can be anything

Yes, it could be anything. Scum cannot rb you, kill you or redirect you without outing themselves to the watcher.
Tracking Shiro effectively blocks her from redirecting the watcher. (Vedith job)

If scum out themselves, we get a guaranteed scum.

[Motoko and Scully]

I would have copped her. I didn't like Shiro not voting RR when they were in a one v one.

So if Dunn or Shiro is scum, Vedith must also be scum. If Vedith is town, both Dunn and Shiro are town. All of that assumes Luna town. (Don't see why she'd lie).

I need to do some VCA.

[Motoko and Scully]

@Beeboy,

Give it a god damn rest. You tried mislynching me yesterday. Scum was the counterwagon. There is no scum in Tevinter.

The buddying of Dwlee was actually a reaction test designed in the hood to see if Dwlee would notice. He didn't.

VOTE: TBB

[Motoko and Scully]

But Dwlee said in our chat a scum Titus would start to scum read him once he starts pressuring her >_>

Scum read him well before that because he failed to react to the buddying.

[Motoko and Scully]

@Beeboy,

I'm fine with TBB and DGB wagons, and seeing where they go. I do have a bit of a soft spot for DGB but they did nothing yesterday but push Luna which is clearly a scum interest.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: motoko and scully
she was pushing away from RR all day yesterday and I know titus doesn't like to bus

That's rather objectively wrong. I pushed to lynch in the redirectors all of yesterday. It was my vote that caused scum to give up and bus.

[Motoko and Scully]

i just dont want to leave DGB in self-hammer range and rush the day, besides did everyone do their warden stuff yet.

DBG is known to self hammer. Masq was a lynch wanted very early on by Nero and myself.

I want to know why though.

I also don't trust Shiro isn't a Godfather. I know it's moonlogic blah blah blah but I just don't see Shiro as town.

[Motoko and Scully]

Tevinter has scum 100% No way scum just blindly risked it, they knew where you were going.

I don't care if you have a cop innocent on you, I will vote you before any in Tevinter. Ever.

I still am paranoid this is setup to discredit me.

[Motoko and Scully]

If scum have warden election powers (assumption made to suppose Shiro town), why not just role block Luna and shoot any protective Warden?

[Motoko and Scully]

Yeah, I did so people would knock off the insane bullshit every day being wagoned by scum.

You're missing my point though. You were publicly scared off from wagoning me. Yet, scum let you have two checks. Why? That's the question.

[Motoko and Scully]

If scum have warden election powers (assumption made to suppose Shiro town), why not just role block Luna and shoot any protective Warden?

What do you think of beeboy's theory of "scum forfeits the NK to choose a warden amongst themselves"

Terribly unbalanced.

They can let cops solve them or make the game nightless? Nope.

Also, pretty sure that shit would flip with the role PM.

[Motoko and Scully]

I am 100% not opposed to this wagon. I want TBB, fine with DGB.

Any acceptable lynch is not Tevinter.

[Motoko and Scully]

They should just make redirectors and bus drivers bastard too and then ill be happy ^_^

Crap...just looked, and they already are. Theme games:

A) Are non-Normal via either game mechanics and/or roles.

So I guess Godfather is plausible

Yeah, Luna was heavily suspecting Shiro in the PT too.
Scum have a warden of some sort.

Luna's clears are not confirmed.

We judge people by play. RR and Shiro refusing to vote each other is fucking wierd. Call it MoonLogic if you want but I am not ready to write Shiro off as town until their play supports it.

[Motoko and Scully]

Well there's a difference between Theme and Bastard Theme
You wouldn't put Cults, Jesters in the former. I read a post somewhere in MD that Godfathers were bastard now tho... I just forgot.

No. Godfathers used to be normal. They are not bastard.
Redirectors are bastard.

[Motoko and Scully]

Yume, you going to give thoughts like at all?

[Motoko and Scully]

no

One reason not to? T
he way M&S had defended RR was weird, how till it was inevitable wanted me dead over them. How she had an unexplained townread there from day one(and Titus doesn't bus till absolutly necessary)
Why she doced Luna when it was the worst move for town to do(and Titus is an amazing player to know that scum wouldn't kill the person they were trying to frame or the person that she thinks is scum)
Why does she fight so hard to prove that there is no scum in tevinter when it is pretty obvious that there is for anything to make sense?
Why did she try to justify that no there was no no kill with the most ludicrus theories while mostly everything pointed to the contrarry ?
Why the kill of rb over anyone else that was more townread or useful ?(Hint:He was pushing she was scum plus it fell perfectly with her wild theories about abr being warden)

I mean come on Dun

1) I was the counter to scum where the entire game got involved.
2) I set up the scenario where scum got lynched although my personal favorite did not get lynched.
3) Doctor sucks as a role. I just went with the best person to keep alive, not the one I felt was most likely to die because the pool was too big.
4) there has to be scum in Tevinter because It helps scum. There's zero foundation for this belief and EVERY SINGLE TEVINTER READS TOWN. Refusing to chase after scum that do not exist is not scummy.
5) ABR took the bullet. Nothing else makes sense. You saw RR's role pm just as well as I did. Is this "sacrifice" theory mentioned? Parts redacted? No. Hell, there's a pretty strong argument that scum do not even pick their own warden.
6) Rb was killed to shade Tevinter, eliminate power roles, and is definitely a kill scum Shiro considers after Space Dandy.

Can you stop rehashing the thread and scumhunt?

No because you are scum. I will find a way to prove it.

[Motoko and Scully]

Mod: Do scum have any hidden abilities not present on their rolecard?

~Can't answer this.

[Motoko and Scully]

Who cares if scum self hammers? I mean the only tiny drawback is that it limits discussion but with last wills its not that big of a thing. I'll move my vote in a day or so incase anyone else wants to add anything.

This is scum

Yeah, no.

Nero was a big push away from ABR and Dunn on your slot.
He wanted to test TBB to see if TBB would pick up on the buddying. He never did until Beeboy told him despite me making it as awesome as possible.

A Nero Beeboy conspiracy on that point is absurd given everyone in Tevinter has proof of the reaction test and Nero's scumhunting.

[Motoko and Scully]

No because you are scum. I will find a way to prove it.

We lynched RR because of me thank you very much, I pointed out he was redirector. Unless you think I deliberatly pointed out to lynch my teamate instead of fighting for the perceived frame on Luna because reasons ??? right ?

You tried to avoid the issue entirely. I pointed out you were at least in a one v one with Radical Rat and the optimal play was voting them from your perspective. You refused to bus.

You said he was a redirector, but that's nothing. You claimed to be a redirector too.

I pushed to decide between RR and Shiro.

You were "Sheeping" and doing anything to blanelessly not vote RR.

[Motoko and Scully]

Also Tevinter has to have scum Titus because this was very carefully planned and scum would need to know Luna's targets.

Luna has less subtlety than I do.

Luna getting a guilty on the scum kill clears her and Tevinter.

[Motoko and Scully]

Before you say, what scum kill, the sacrifice nightkill thing is false because RR did not flip with it.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: DGB

Claim stall detected.

@Shiro, how about Yume and DGB are scum while I am town.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: DGB

Claim stall detected.

@Shiro, how about Yume and DGB are scum while I am town.

uh

i already claimed

Your claim naturally includes any actions you take.

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB's posting is so scattered and is obviously fake
Like seriously, she "can't remember" what she did as warden?

Can't remember is not a claim but a stall.

[Motoko and Scully]

If DGB claimed commute, why did Cakey claim she could not remember?

Why do your reads suck?
Why do you insist on bullshit being gold?

[Motoko and Scully]

I literally have lost all desire to read more of Shiro is conftown because scum are idiots and about scum in Tevinter when I proved that false. Still it's all mystical but for me.

No one can explain Shiro town by play because they are not.

[Motoko and Scully]

I'm not saying she didn't say she didn't forget, im also not townreading her, but saying that she never claimed it is a blatant lie:

@DGB- do you have any warden claims, or reason why you shouldn't be lynched?

I was warden night 3 I think it was

@DGB- do you have any warden claims, or reason why you shouldn't be lynched?

I was warden night 3 I think it was

or was it the other thing - I forget

Night 2 - ??? - ??? (this was claimed somewhere but idk where, im going off memory here)

it was me

Where does that say commuter?

[Motoko and Scully]

As I said the way she went about it i dont think it's town, and i still want her lynched, but as i said, saying she didnt claim anything is a blatant lie.

Blatant apathy.

Why should I bother to do anything beyond prod dodge knowing town has lost?

[Motoko and Scully]

I was lynched in Princess Bride (by scum no less) for being so townie it had to be fake and calculated

When I called the person making the case scum, and correctly, NO ONE listened and it only got me more votes

Are you mocking me?

[Motoko and Scully]

I was lynched in Princess Bride (by scum no less) for being so townie it had to be fake and calculated

When I called the person making the case scum, and correctly, NO ONE listened and it only got me more votes

Lets talk about that.

You came in, claimed VT as a

POST RESTRICTED TOWNIE

then you said you couldn't scum hunt with said PR wich I thought was totes fake given how the majority of your "scumhunting" is just randomly calling players town or scum and you couldn't do that with that PR? So it looked like a excuse to not have to give reads.

AND THEN

said you were ok with being lynched and self voted which is stupid and

ATEy

I mean just 'cause you played like total shit in one game and doesn't mean your total shit play is town here.

INTENTS

She's at L minus 3

[Motoko and Scully]

@DGB, Out of game, is there anything we can do?

In game, can you give reads?

[Motoko and Scully]

inb4 DGB forgot she replaced Masq

It's a townslip because DGB would see Masquerade in the scum-aligned chat.

I forgot how many scumbuddies I had as scum.

It's a forgetful tell.

Still me.

[Motoko and Scully]

@iraonvp, I was warden the night luna wasn't.

I am ambivalent on DGB scum. I would rather be lynching Shiro or Beeboy or TBB. I'll settle for anyone not in Tevinter. Masq was rather scummy so...

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus, why are you townreading nero?

Very strong scumhunting early on. The day 1 frustration over not getting a Masq wagon when town was pushing ABR and Dunn, the reaction test we structured being really low EV for scum.

The fact that no one has any good reason for suspecting him. He's just the next person on the list.

Now, why the fuck are you being the townbeard?

I am out until Sunday most likely. May check in.

[Motoko and Scully]

@iraonvp, I was warden the night luna wasn't.

I must have missed where you claimed, that makes sense now.

I am ambivalent on DGB scum. I would rather be lynching Shiro or Beeboy or TBB. I'll settle for anyone not in Tevinter. Masq was rather scummy so...

This seems fake, if Masquerade looked scum-aligned to you then why would you not want to lynch DGB if you are null-aligned on DGB's play, considering that DGB replaced Masquerade?

Shiro has been clearly town-aligned by play since the start of the game to me. I'm not sure what to make of you continuing to tunnel them other than you are scum-aligned not wanting to look bad from backing down. I felt similarly about Dunnstral but I think it's more likely that I am wrong about Dunnstral than something weird happening, so I'm not pursuing that currently.

If it's so clear to you that Shiro is town by play, why not explain it?

Frankly, you're taking a cop out and it's fake. Scum fucked with Luna when she had one cop but you're assuming they did nothing just to try to conform and have popular reads and not vote DGB.

You were arguing I was town the entire time I was pushing town but now that it's me versus DGB suddenly the tone is fake. My tone hasn't changed at all.

Lastly, supposing scum are not using bricks for brains and reading people by play is awesome.

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB's posting is so scattered and is obviously fake
Like seriously, she "can't remember" what she did as warden?

Can't remember is not a claim but a stall.

Yes it's a stall

If DGB claimed commute, why did Cakey claim she could not remember?

Are you just not reading DGB's posts? She clearly claimed she didn't remember what she did as Warden.

Nope. I have had like 5 minutes a day on this game. My priority is real life, modding, solo games, hydra games, and lastly games where I am insulted and torn down for having right townreads. Like this is the most flexible I have ever been as town and I have people insulting me and wagoning me because I am right and refuse to let town wagon town. Facing a game full of insanity, why read and lower my IQ?

[Motoko and Scully]

No. Shiro is not clear. Don't say that. She has done ONLY proscum votes and actions the entire game.

If Vedith is scum, Shiro can be.
If Shiro is Godfather, she can be.

I refuse to accept the proposition that scum burn a redirector on Luna getting a single cop result, yet sit on their hands when Luna gets two. That's insane.

There is no way that is a valid clear or even suggesting of innocence. You want me to townread Shiro?

Explain why Shiro refused to vote RR when they were in a 1 v 1.
Explain the massive EoD wagon when I was not getting lynched yesterday.
Explain why Shiro keeps coming after me when only assholes and scum have.
Explain why she gets away with randomly doubt casting Tevinter.
Explain why her hood elected her over Beeboy.
Explain why she didn't refuse being made warden.

Shiro is scum.
With at least 1 other in her hood.

[Motoko and Scully]

Being salty is no excuse to eny reason. Maybe Shiro was warden and Vedith covers.

Godfather is simplest.

I don't know scum abilities but having 5 cop actions that cannot be fucked with if RR dies is not passing Antihero's review.

[Motoko and Scully]

Luna, you want me to believe Shiro is town, defend their play I discussed above.

Voting people for disagreeing is being a grade A dick, especially when I fought for you to get those results.

[Motoko and Scully]

Maybe Shiro was warden and Vedith covers.

Uh when was this? coz if it was last night, RR claimed my targets before I did.

Not subtle.
You want to clear Tevinter.
I am clear from RR's flip.
You townread Nero.
That leaves checking Dunn.
You also had Shiro issues.

Wham. You check Shiro and Dunn.

[Motoko and Scully]

Considering I even got questioned by beeboy and idk who else on my Shiro check after RR flipped scum, I don't see how scum would've known i'd be targeting both, Vedith is true claiming being tracker N3, but that doesn't necessarily make him town, i do townread him tho OR There's scum in Tevinter ^_^

Or there's no scum in Tevinter and they applied common sense as to your reasoning.

Like common fucking sense.

If you're going to lynch me for suspecting Shiro when no one will defend his play, hand him the game.

Life is too short to combat where dissenting from scum is not allowed.

[Motoko and Scully]

Umm okay, so he didnt refuse to being Warden, but he also didnt call towards wanting to be warden, so i still don't understand your issue here?

A redirector should refuse being warden if town.
Especially over a motivator who only I was scumreading.

Scum had to elect Shiro over Beeboy.

[Motoko and Scully]

No, I think you have confirmation bias on Shiro if you're town.
Your reasoning makes me think you're scum.

I refuse to believe scum let two cops go uncleared when no one explains how Shiro was town. Theyfucked with the results is the simpler but less convienent conclusion.

[Motoko and Scully]

Umm okay, so he didnt refuse to being Warden, but he also didnt call towards wanting to be warden, so i still don't understand your issue here?

A redirector should refuse being warden if town.
Especially over a motivator who only I was scumreading.

Scum had to elect Shiro over Beeboy.

Oh and look who is pushing my wagon as scum Antiva.

[Motoko and Scully]

Check your ISO.

Everything I said is accurate.

You are supposing scum are imbelciles that cannot read and have no power roles.

If I get lynched for that, fine.

The Giants are calling.

[Motoko and Scully]

Shiro/Titus/Dunnstral

That's where i'm at right now.

Hmm actually I did suspect both of them here.
Regardless tho that still doesnt explain why RR flip wouldn't deter me from lynching Shiro without the confirmation bias I explained in Tevinter.

Right. Scum, without Tevinter, would expect you to cop Shiro.

Therefore, they would fuck with it.

I yelled at you but no one else did. That's because no one will discuss their play, their shady election over Beeboy, it's just shut Titus up.

[Motoko and Scully]

You suspected you had confirmation bias on Shro.
You're a cop.
A redirector flipped.
Shiro scum is unpopular and you're a conformist.

[Motoko and Scully]

Why target Shiro?

You targeted one of my very few town reads... sigh.
We are lynching M&S now.

Luna Fox, why would you check Shiro?

That is not yelling.

[Motoko and Scully]

Now you're switching your story...

No it's not.

[Motoko and Scully]

I am clear from RR's flip.

How exactly does RR's flip clear you like at all ?

1) My wago n was the counter to flipped scum.
2) No one was pushing me as scum but claiming I had to die because Tevinter cannot be a masonry.
3) The deadline scramble at the end is a bus.

Look at my case on you and reply to it.

[Motoko and Scully]

Also I never asked to be warden, I was just as surprised when I suddenly saw I was Antiva's warden.

And you never once suspected the people who made you warden? Bullshit.

You should have deterred warden status, just like I tried to do in Tevinter until I expected my death.

You never did.

[Motoko and Scully]

If the deadline scramble was a bus, why not just lynch supposed town you?

They failed.

They figured t best to try try again.

It was obvious that town townread me.

[Motoko and Scully]

Scum knew i was being doubled N3, since that's one of the things talked in thread, why not try to keep the redirector alive so he could mess up with me AGAIN.

That's WHY my wagon isscum driven. Like holy shit.

Take Titus out.
Assume scum in Tevinter because Titus sucks.
Save redirector.

It all works for them.

[Motoko and Scully]

Thanks for bringing up the deadline scramble tho, that makes you more scum than before.

There were many fucking days left.

I cannot respond further to the bullshit without violating ongoing.

A deadline scramble would happen then they park and force town to vote me over RR.

That is not a deadline scramble.

[Motoko and Scully]

1) You didn't care when RR was confscum to you if town? Bullshit.

2) Bullshit. Lynching in a 1 v 1 at least was insane because scum wanted me lynched to avoid the Tevinter masonry being confirmed.

3) Dodge, unless you claim asshole in this game.

4) ABR's death clears Tevinter. You're "it makes sense" is nothing more than shading to further a scum agenda.

5 - 6) Bullshit. You should have claimed and asked not to be warden.

[Motoko and Scully]

3) The deadline scramble at the end is a bus.

That is not a deadline scramble.

Okay...

Jeezus. I would rather not play fucking semantics with every word you say. Deadline scramble was wrong of me to say but I am ick and tired ofcorrecting everything that comes out of your mouth because you play whack a mole to defend Shiro scum.

Antiva is a large fucking sum hood.

g

[Motoko and Scully]

I would just lynch myself but if I do that, scum win.

[Motoko and Scully]

It's like weeds.

The case n Shiro is iron fucking clad.

Yet, because of an innocent I am supposed to throw that out.
An innocent that I am assumed to believe when we have PROOF they fucked with the first cop check.

You know what fine.

Shro is town. Someone has to be willing to lynch him later.

Let's lynch Antiva scum now k?

[Motoko and Scully]

1) I did. You refused to vote until the last when EVERYONE piled on. That is a bus.

2) People want me lynched for what I think. Not my play. Don't confuse the two. My "wild theories" got me obvtown status D1 and D2 because I suspected town and they called me a cunt.
3) Good. Now why haven't you been Giffy like your town meta dictates.

4) Scum do not kill Luna's cop check if scum in Tevinter. It's been discussed over and over.

5) Bullshit.

[Motoko and Scully]

No town "refuses to care" when they are in a 1 v 1 with scum.

They say it is false dilemma or they vote the other guy.

Period.

[Motoko and Scully]

Anyway, I am out.

I need to live so Shiro dies eventually so I am willing to shut up about Shiro scum to live but we Absofuckinglutely should lynch in Antiva if possible.

[Motoko and Scully]

You gif like a mother trucker as town.

Like I know you're scum but I am not allowed to push you until we rid Antiva of your buddies who you'll never vote anyway.

I dare you to bus TBB right now or town case him.

[Motoko and Scully]

Willing to vote not you but I am unwilling to lynch in Tevinter. Who else DGB?

[Motoko and Scully]

But she has insitgated tons of confusio0n with her wild theories. At one point she said

Scum want drama but also said that scum killed the two biggest instigators of drama to be nice to town.

Titus wild theories are often town. That's her trying hard and going deep.

I resolved confusion.
I resolved why no NK.
I worked together with people to resolve why Luna's results were bad.

You put zero effort into solving that or lynching scum. You're just claiming not getting a townreadas sowing confusion.

[Motoko and Scully]

Willing to vote not you but I am unwilling to lynch in Tevinter. Who else DGB?

Cakez?

Could do that.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: Cakes

I don't get the resistance to all town Tevinter.

[Motoko and Scully]

I'm voting Cakes because he voted town over scum, he's acceptable to my townreads, and not Tevinter.

Why not join if you think he's scum?

RR was my counter too.

[Motoko and Scully]

My number two lynch target (TBB) defends Cakey.

Cakey also is lying. He pushed RR hard calls me town and does a 180 today. Yeah, that's ok to be roped.

[Motoko and Scully]

My number two lynch target (TBB) defends Cakey.

How can you say this when you defended Radical Rat for most of the game?

I said I thought he was town but the lynch had to be him or Shiro. I still think Shiro is scum.

Call that a defense. Ok.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: DGB

I am with Nero.

If the choice is DGB or Nero, I vote for DGB. Nero's not getting lynched over a reaction test and pushing the largest D1 wagon not on town.

[Motoko and Scully]

@Dunn, I see your point on iraonvp. (all of Tevinter, including you AND Luna as scum is insane and far fetched) but I don't want to peel off the good DGB wagon. We cannot split our group Imo. Scum are scrambling to see which TEVINTER can be mislynched. If DGB flips scum, the answer is none. That confirms what I have said all along. Tevinter is a masonry.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: Yume

I would lynxh yume ob principle tbh.

I would too but I am not unvoting DGB with scum trying to place a noose around Nero.

[Motoko and Scully]

You are still basing your read of NEROCAIN from something easily fakeable from the RVS phase...

Tevinter Imperium is the scumteam!

Something about reaction test in the neighborhood and effort to put into the game, that's what Mokoto and Scully said before.

@Shiro, Remember the last "joker" in NY 191? On the off chance you're town...iraonvp is likely scum.

[Motoko and Scully]

yeah thats called scumhunting and it happens when you are town.

but that has nothing to do with RVS so not sure why you said anything about RVS.

Because it is easier to paint me as a psychotic loon to pursue the mystical scum in Tevinter which does not exist.

[Motoko and Scully]

You are still basing your read of NEROCAIN from something easily fakeable from the RVS phase...

Tevinter Imperium is the scumteam!

Something about reaction test in the neighborhood and effort to put into the game, that's what Mokoto and Scully said before.

@Shiro, Remember the last "joker" in NY 191? On the off chance you're town...iraonvp is likely scum.

Was tgat Denmark? I don't really remember which moment you mean by joker.

When Davesto tried to pass off RVS shade as a "joke".
Iraonvp tried to pass an illogical readwall as a joke when called out on it.

[Motoko and Scully]

VOTE: M&S

Oh look the scum supporter is here again.

Tbb, Masq, DGB, iraonvp, and Yume is where the scums are most likely.

[Motoko and Scully]

Forgot Beeboy but that's clear by context.

[Motoko and Scully]

Nah, let's not policy lynch when we have scum in our sights. I would if it wasn't Tevinter but meh

We all know what scum are desperate to disprove. They shaded you. They're shading me and Nero because we're the only two left.

Drunk Titus says hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Motoko and Scully]

Nah, let's not policy lynch when we have scum in our sights. I would if it wasn't Tevinter but meh

We all know what scum are desperate to disprove. They shaded you. They're shading me and Nero because we're the only two left.

Drunk Titus says hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

I fail to accept that you still hold this obscene opinion because of how the game has gone so far.

OBscene opinion

Luna is practically confirmed cop
Dunn is clear
Nero pushed Masq
I am town
PerV is town

It's like pretty obviously true if not mechanically so

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB, I am leaning scum on you but by NO means are you my strongest scumread. I will vote you if it's against Nero because I am hard townreading him. Do I have minor doubts, sure. They are not enough to overcome his play. If it comes down to you v him, I am siding with him.

If you're willing to work with me, I am willing to work with you. Yet, I will not vote Nero.

[Motoko and Scully]

Here's what you need to know

1) you're outed cop that has used its shots
2) you got a guilty on ABR n1
3) scum shot abr n1
4) you were obvious in hood about checking abr
5) that series of events clears Tevinter
6) you have innocent results on Shiro and Dunn
7) there is a debate about if scum can elect their own wardeN, resolved with likely can but uncertainty
8) scum forced a Shiro warden election night 1
9) Shiro is a redirector
10) Scum need Tevinter lynches to have any shot at winning this game

[Motoko and Scully]

Oh and the wagons strongly reflect this.

D1 attacked Dunn, cleared by cop (not 100 clear BC scum likely fucked with results somehow)
D2 attacked Dunn
D3 plus attacked me for townreading Tevinter
Today, attacking me and Nero

[Motoko and Scully]

No. Deal with it Shiro. We are not lynching Tevinter town today.

[Motoko and Scully]

Hi, Creature and golden009!

You should know, firstly, not to listen to Mokoto and Scully.

Here's what really happened:
Day 1: Feelmi Udders was lynched as scum-aligned lurker wagon
Day 2: Luna Fox claims cop and says ABR is scum-aligned, ABR is lynched but he is town-aligned
Day 3: Radical Rat, a scum-aligned redirector, is lynched
Day 4: Luna Fox claims innocent on Dunnstral and Shiro, Vedith tracks her to be sure that she wasn't redirected

Now, we are lynching NEROCAIN, who is scum-aligned. Mokoto and Scully is either scum-aligned or not worth listening to, every opinion they had so far has been proven wrong!

Feelmi Udders was lynched as scum-aligned lurker wagon

Pushed by Shiro and I, try again

Nah, he's right. Shiro is scum. You are town. The only wagon D1 was garbage.

My opinions that I have pushed have been, Tevinter is all town, RB calling people unmentionables needs to die, and ABR lied to control the Gamestate. All of which are right.

[Motoko and Scully]

The only D1 wagon to not flip, DGB/Masq. That's scum. Who pushed there? Nero and MS.
Oh and scum still fucked with that cop check most likely.

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus will you bus Bieber bro?

I am dine trying to knock sense into people

I would be glad to help you bus him. He's been my number 2 lynch candidate behind you but I am not getting you lynched so...

[Motoko and Scully]

I just am not vacating DGB until Tevinter is safe.

[Motoko and Scully]

Shiro trust me on this one. Do DGB today and Titus tomorrow.

Oh just DGB today/tomorrow and the other next.

You've been pretty obvious town since Day 2 when you rejected the townfirm. You need to reset your read on me. You're basically Sheeping scum and I don't know why.

[Motoko and Scully]

Why? The part where I solve the game but you blatantly stick your head in the sand? That's not scum me. Sorry. You can sit there and presume scum me makes sense or presume that there's a mystical method where you can hang onto falsehood, I cannot force you to drink.

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus is hot airings, she says she scum reads you but when I talked about voting you she said, not till Tevinter town is safe

I am not hot airing. My whole point is I will lynch not Tevinter. I am like game certain on TEVINTER being all town. My scumreads may be wrong. My townreads are not. Scum cannot win unless they lynch in Tevinter. The town body count is just too high otherwise. I am willing to work on who we do lynch as long as not Tevinter. My stance there has been clear for days.

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB if you don't feel like playing vote Titus pls because I don't intend on voting you.

You mean M&S?

How can you be townreading me, yet not know what slot I am despite me being activish?

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB if you don't feel like playing vote Titus pls because I don't intend on voting you.

You mean M&S?

How can you be townreading me, yet not know what slot I am despite me being activish?

are you not M&S :p? because she clearly knows who you are based on that post.

Why ask if Shiro meant m and s if she knows who I am?

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB if you don't feel like playing vote Titus pls because I don't intend on voting you.

You mean M&S?

How can you be townreading me, yet not know what slot I am despite me being activish?

are you not M&S :p? because she clearly knows who you are based on that post.

Why ask if Shiro meant m and s if she knows who I am?

Just gently trying to train people to call your player slot by its proper name

I find your hysteria over this intriguing

I'm interested in your theory for trying to make this sound alignment-indicative somehow?

Lol, my hydra slots get called Titus all the time. Especially with Hebi taking time away for rl. Not a battle you will win. Why were you calling my slot Titus earlier if proper name is important to you?

Hysteria, really? I am trying to figure out what you are doing rather than jumping to any conclusion.

What is your read on TbB?

[Motoko and Scully]

DGB if you don't feel like playing vote Titus pls because I don't intend on voting you.

You mean M&S?

How can you be townreading me, yet not know what slot I am despite me being activish?

If I am town READING you, that means I am actually reading you, which implies I am town to you.

If I were scum, and you were town, I wouldn't be reading you, I'd be buddying you.

You wrote this from a scum perspective.

No. I am highlighting that your townread is crap if you didn't know who I was when townreading me. Do I had to figure that out. Tyvm.

[Motoko and Scully]

Hysteria, really? I am trying to figure out what you are doing rather than jumping to any conclusion.

Aren't you screaming that my player slot is scum? Am I confused? You're trying to figure things out? Really?

And again... explain to me what all of this says about my alignment.

No. I am not screaming you are scum. Like read my posts. You're the only alternative to lynching Tevinter which is town. TbB is the bibber bros. They are scum.

[Motoko and Scully]

No. I am highlighting that your townread is crap if you didn't know who I was when townreading me.

What townie would argue that any town read on them is crap, LOL

It's like the opposite of "caught for the wrong reasons"

A crappy townread is done by scum frequently and rarely by Derp town. Crap read for buddying, avoiding a wagon, stubbornness just for a few.

[Motoko and Scully]

What is your read on TbB?

Town, why, am I wrong?

yes

[Motoko and Scully]

1) Dwlee was totally pissed at not getting into Tevinter, like he needed to be there.
2) He elected Shiro warden despite having a townread on FBB and FBB claiming to be warden.
3) Total lack of scumhunting.
4) TBB not Voting rr or commenting until mass EoD deadline flip, he'll state things like there is a radical wagon or bad vote, but no interaction.
5) TBB totally oblivious to my and Nero planned reaction test where I buddy him to see if he calls me scum for it. TBB wasn't scumhunting me at all.
6) McMenno says time to coalesce at 16 hundred something and not to vanity wagon luna. Dwlee then immediately vanity wagons Luna.
7) the radical vote says "vote radical scum" despite having no prior radical scum push. As if he knew radical would flip scum.
8) Dwlee avoids his scumgames and has avoided this for the most part.

[Motoko and Scully]

I never bsed. Second, everyone has an agenda. You are scumreading me for my logic. Yesterday my logic was one of RR and Shiro at least had to be scum. I wanted Shiro but the thread picked RR.

I want TBB but the thread picks DGB, which isn't horrible given a Masq and Vedith are the only large D1 wagons not to flip.

There is no scum in Tevinter. Proven that. That's not a bad agenda when you're right.
I solved the no kill problem.
Leo where is my logic bad again? Because you don't want to believe?

Oh and even in the snowball's chance in hell I am wrong, wrong is not AI.

So scumread my "bad logic" all you want this game. I will carry this town if alive.

[Motoko and Scully]

Hey, you are aware I just cased you right? Or are you that confident in your buddies not bussing you?

[Motoko and Scully]

@DGB, When the sole point you would make in favor of Nero scum is that I need to reevaluate, then that tells me there's no reason to.

There just is no scum in Tevinter.
You insinuated that Nero did not want Masq dead. That's a lie. He pushed for your slot hard when he could.
Voting patterns from D1 strongly suggest that you or Vedith is scum.
The night 1 kill being on Luna's cop target and Luna being redirected prove no scum in Tevinter as scum don't randomly tell us they have a redirector for no reason.
For Hus recent pushes to be scummy, you'd have to argue that FBB and Nero had some sort of grand conspiracy to have me and TBB be a TvT. I don't see that.
What I do see is a remote possibility you are town and doing the Scum's bidding.

Scum do not know where the protectives are. Luna (now Golden) and Dunn are damn near conftown. Shiro is mistakenly regarded as town. If Tevinter is all town, like I am saying, that is 5 town with daychat who recognize each other.

Scum have a zero percent chance of winning unless they discredit the idea and hold the line by not bussing.

The fact we cannot get a wagon to go through just is more evidence that I am correct.

I am willing to be open to voting anyone who is not a townread of mine provided Tevinter is safe. A safe Tevinter means scum lose.

[Motoko and Scully]

There just is no scum in Tevinter.

You keep saying that. Why.

No one else is saying that.

Ego is Tevinter, I assume?

Yes. Aside from Nero being obvious town, the night actions reveal as much.

Luna was obvious only in the hood about Copping ABR.
The night actions only work if scum shot ABR n1.
The scum redirected Luna, so she'd get a guilty.
If ABR died, the net effect of their night actions would have been just announcing a Redirector or framer AND they would know that.

Thus, there's no way a scumteam knowingly redirects Luna to a guilty and kills her cop target.
Therefore, they had no knowledge of Luna's check.
Therefore, no scum in Tevinter.

Ego is Tevinter. Dunn is Tevinter. Luna is Tevinter. PV is Tevinter. I am Tevinter.

I will compromise on anyone not in those 5.

[Motoko and Scully]

Yes. Aside from Nero being obvious town, the night actions reveal as much.

Why is he being an a-hole bully as town????? Makes no sense.

That's town Nero. Drives me up a wall. Gunslingers he was much more appeasy.

[Motoko and Scully]

Thus, there's no way a scumteam knowingly redirects Luna to a guilty and kills her cop target.

I'm confused.

She had a gulty on ABR and we lynched him.

Yes but scum HAD to submit a kill on ABR.

[Motoko and Scully]

Titus I refuse to believe you wouldn't believe scum could just no kill after A50 won GIF's large theme because he no killed.

Show me one game where group scum no killed day 1. Never happens.

[Motoko and Scully]

So like how could ABR have commuted if RB was the warden?

We went over this. ABR and RB lied. ABR even crumbed his commute by deterring cop checks which is what caused Luna to cop ABR.

[Motoko and Scully]

Also there could just be PV's theory where based on flavor scum couldn't kill night 1.
Scum could have no killed night 1.
Scum could have redirected in place of submitting a kill night 1.

1) Not even PV pushes that.
2) Impossible.
3) Last refuge. Broke as shit for town.

[Motoko and Scully]

@Titus: Pro tip, if you want to look town as scum actually respond to people when they dissect your case and call you out on your crap.
Sincerely, Dwibble

I am still waiting for an intelligent response and I have no "crap" to be called out on.

Dwlee, you can cede the game now. You, IRA, Creature and maybe DGB and Foxbird and Cakey.

That's almost certainly le scums.

I am going to nap now and trust in Dunn.